Guild Wars 2

Someone give me hope and say signet of vampire will actually save power builds? I think they could have buffed it a lot actually. Anyone, someone give me a positive Chang.e for a power build. Condi bipolar are just… Idk right now

Lachanche.6859:

lifesteal necro sounds stupid on paper but it’s a huge hp sponge in 1v1, even more now that their lifesteal will heal them through deathshroud.
Prepare to kneel before your new necro overlords.

You know what, I hope your right. It is about time the Necro had some sustain and some ability to keep up with the dev’s favorite meta classes.

So no one will use plague?

kittening consume conditions is bad for two reasons. Untrained it is a longer cooldown before, and it gives vulnerability to the caster. Traited it gives you vulnerability and a kittening random kittening condition which could end up kittening you hard. It’s so kittening stupid I can kittening imagine what the kitten they were thinking. I want to spit

So you trait for the reduced cooldown, and you heal and get vulnerability, and fear, or vulnerability and chill, and you don’t think four seconds of vuln while being chilled is not a game changer because you chose to kittening heal? Lol in what kittening instance is this a good thing? Oh, you mean you hope the ring transfers the condi’s to someone else? Not only do I have to rpnot have terror for this kittening trait and lose dmg, but if I chose terror I have to wait even longer to use the slowest most visible heal in the game coupled with the fact that I need to deal with the ten kittening stacks of vulnerability in me. Lol.

WHAT OTHER CLASS HAS TO kitten ITSELF TO GET LACKLUSTER SKILLS TO DO DAMAGE. NO CLASS HAS TO kitten THEMSELVES TO DO DAMAGE AND TO TOP IT OFF THSES kittenING SKILLS WE HAVE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO OP, THEY ARE SI PLY….. Average at best

Spit

If I could get a refund for the full amount of gems I have bought plus the game, I would delete/close my account and destroy my two legendaries, and walk from this game and never look back. That said, the money and time invested makes mefeellikethe loss will be more felt on my side. Well of course it will because Anet does not care about individuals, it cares about the masses, thepercentageof total players to make the most money. Quality products are no longer a thing, as Anet benefits from the revolving door policy. Old out, new in = more cash. Thatsaid,Anet will not get a single red cent from me in the future and I will not but the expansion. I will also be line to the release of crowfall or CU, and take my hard earned cash elsewhere.

The ease at which the ele can out burning in you compared to the necro which needs more condi dmg is just terrible. Necro got punched in the faceso many times.

I am tired of the obvious bias against necros. No other class has to weaken itself for lackluster skills, or to apply conditions. No other class, has to use a heal, which also weakens itself. No other class has to depend on one mechanic for defense, and is limited to two dodges with no ability to mitigate damage. Most condi builds apply conditions at greater levels, and can maintain higher levels of condis than we can. Sustain damage coupled with mobility, defense, good heal sand regen are available to other classes while we are given watered down versions.

This bias is overwhelming. This was pointed out in another forum:
Elementalist
Fire:
Minor:
Burning Precision: Critical hits have a 33% chance to cause 2 seconds of burning. Burning duration is increased by 20%.
Necromancer
Grandmaster:
Dhuumfire: Shroud skill 1 inflicts 1 stack of burning for 3 seconds when it hits.
They actually gave the original Dhuumfire (plus a buff) to eles as a Minor.
Compare that to the Necro trait that they call a “Grandmaster” which also requires LF and slow projectile to hit.

I don’t even need to point out that no other heal skill in the game kittens the user more than consume conditions.

The power creep coupled with these nerfs and the overwhelming bias towards other classes and against the Necro is disgusting,

That comparrison to burning damage is the epitome of kittening bias by Anet. Anet your faces were just rubbed in it, and you have once again shown your overwhelming bias to certain classes. Ha hahahah.

Lol as if they have not made enough money on this game now they need to cheat the existing player base or the current newcomers who purchased the game after this faq. Hahahah true colors shine through. Good bye, and good riddance

Thanks for showing your true colors.

Grimreaper.5370:

Step 1.) Remove passive play, that also means remove RNG

Step 2.) Supply each class with skills which apply a devastating effect, this doesn’t necessarily mean dps.

step 3.) Add counter play to those skill combos, give your players a chance to counter, react or preemptively predict the skill combinations which may be used against them. (Via educated guess, not random preemptive guessing)

Annnnd PRESTO! You’re on your way to becoming the game you’ve always wanted to be, please stop heading in the wrong direction by toning down the amount of active play (With traits) if you really want to become an Esport

Just lookin out for you Anet, much love.

4). Use only 5 or 6 of your 8 classes with only power builds (consequently the classes that have the highest bursts, condi cleans, gropu healing and buff skills, and the highest mobility, blocks evades, and or stealth) and kitten 2 classes for the fun of it so it makes people feel you actually have 8 classes when you don’t. Instill power creep into the game, but only for those meta classes and keep kittening the other 2 so they feel useless but keep trying, while you keep buffing your fav classes. Wash rinse repeate. Make minor changes to top classes to make it look like your balancing things around when nothing actually changes as the top classes get equally powerful, while the non meta classes keep getting kittened, etc,etc. Anet So good

BlackBeard.2873:

Biggest winners:

1. Thief – they get executioner (or improv) + panic strike, plus all of shadow arts (with -25% damage while stealthed), and still have so many mechanics that lack counterplay. Yes, some of their traits didn’t individually get buffed as much as other class’s, but the change in the system favors them.

2. Engineer – Engineer got some incredibly OP gifts all over the place, and there are clearly going to be some broken stuff that comes out of this. They even might get a zerker spec that has a real shot b/c the might be able to survive thief (I originally said they hard-countered thief, but the combo of stealth, instant ports, blinds, and tons of evades prevents anything from truly making them irrelevant – they just go to another point and fulfill the burst role far better than another spec ever could).

Got some REALLY strong stuff relative to others:

3. Mesmer – got an insane amount of buffs to damage, and great survival options. Have strong instant-cast abilities that can be made stronger, and enough “unfair” mechanics to maybe compete. However, #1 on this list probably still makes them a fringe pick taken mostly for portal. Maybe that “illusionary defender” trait, or blind on shatter, can mitigate enough damage to make it more even.

4. Ranger – While #1 will still keep them out of the meta high level, they got even MORE ways to do a TON of burst damage from 1800 range, which will lead to much QQ. They also got some very strong condi options, but there is so much power-creep, teams will still be running mega-cleanse builds that just keep everyone clear.

5. Warrior – These guys got some super-broken stuff (have you seen berserker’s power?) and also a buffed shoutbow that now has spiked armor, more stunbreaks, and MORE cleanse. They have enough “very strong” traits all over the place they might even be able to put together another build near that same tier.

Got some good options that supplement current builds, depends on meta:

6. Ele – Ele got some great tools from their traits, and should stay very strong bruisers with d/x running arcana/water/X. There might be some other builds that can play on the fringes of the meta, but it will depend very much on how gear load-outs and amulets change. I am sad to see that no weapon/utilities were really changed, and thus pvp will stay a status-quo on that front (d/x brawlers, s/x burst only, staff tanky support)

7. Guardians – Got some VERY strong damage buffs, including smiter’s boon, which adds a LOT more sustain, condi cleanse, AND burst all at the same time. I’m not sure if bunker guard will be able to compete, but you might see burning guards in mid-tier that continue to just let lots of blocks + passive burns do their thing. Not the most buffs, could end up OP, depends on how the meta shakes up…

Not very exciting at all:

8. Necro – poor necro. They didn’t get much interesting, but MM seems like it will be very strong in mid-tier pvp once again (Anet always HAS to keep 1 AI spec in the fold >:( ). Still relies a lot on procs, and just dont’ seem to have the insane survival options other classes have. Perhaps things will shift towards a condi meta and necros can become a king. While I am not an expert necro, while reading the patch notes, there weren’t many instances where I thought “well that is terrifying/potentially game-breaking” like I thought with many other classes.

Yeah when reading I kept saying, wtf are they doing. The class in need of the most help got kittened, except for mms. I give up. Anet…. You ruined this class. Proud of it?

Bhawb.7408:

Gryph.8237:

Stronger Bhawb? MM is stronger, Condi got destroyed and power Necro will get destroyed compared to the power creep. In wvw, Necro’s will be replaced by mesmers, and we still can’t roam, nor will we be a thing in pve. Stronger, I strongly disagree

If a condi Necro post-patch could fight with a pre-patch condi Necro, even allowing the pre-patch to have all of the base power creep of stats and 2 extra trait points, post-patch would win, easily, that’s what I mean. I don’t mean that we are in a better place overall in the game, though I don’t think we can get worse than the completely worthless we are now, only that we are in a better place after the patch than right now.

Every class fighting their pre patch class would win. Problem is after the patch the Necro will not have improved its standing in the meta and in some cases will be even worse when compared to the power creep. We will be useless. We won’t be able to catch anyone, lock anyone down, or defend against any classes as we will be casting condis on ourselves. Hahah its a huge joke. Anet c
Has to see these forums to know that they kittened up. Prob not. I give the kitten up. You win Anet …. You win. kitten this class

Power creep will still keep us the worst class in all areas of play. We will loose our place in the wvw Gwen meta. I’m so sick of Anet right now

Dude, they don’t give a a kitten.

Seriously, what other class punishes itself for lackluster skills? Anyone?

RoRo.8270:

Dirame.8521:

Necro wins in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lthqzE369Ok

I think necro belongs in a different category than the 2 you have

Flat out does not know kitten about necros. Will totally never read crap from this guy again.

KashimKudal.2961:

No heal in the game punishes you for using it like the new consume conditions does. Even if the vulnerability is 4 seconds. With the new ability for almost ALL classes to put out vulnerability. That stack can turn into a big problem and allow for people to simply wait for you to get low enough to heal and simply pile on more vulnerability that you helped them stack essentially. I love necromancer as it is my main class and I’ve found ways to work through the classes short comings through this games lifetime. However, punishing us for healing is ludicrous. Anet- You need to fix this.

Dude, can someone tell me what other class has skills that punish themselves besides necros? Some of the same skills we use that effectively punish ourselves are weaker versions that what other classes have without being punished!!! This self punishing thing is utterly ducking ridiculous and weakens an already weak class. Anet is drunk

Funny thing about that, Almost all of our condi removal depends on our slow, highly telegraphed weapon skills or signets landing on another player for our condi’s to be removed, whereas other classes press a button or have it automatically removed, and now, we are the only class that literally kittens ourselves despite the kittening fact that we are not even the strongest kittening condi build out there. Did anyone see the kittening condi changes to ranger, or any other class that can über spam condis? Well for us to do it, we now have to kitten ourselves. In addition, our best heal that is supposed to be our condi cleanse not dependent on hitting an enemy, not only makes us more susceptible to attack, but it literally keeps us in combat longer, while every other kittening class can use their amazing kittening leaps to get away and reset while the slowest, least mobile class, with condi clears depending on attacking, or actually hitting a kittening enemy, Is still in combat, not regening heal, not kittening reset, and weaker, as vulnerability (10 kittenish stacks) is still on us. So Anet you have kittened us. Why the kitten are we the only class that weakens itself to ducking fight for lackluster kittening skills. Literally every skill the Necro uses that weakens itself exists on other classes albeit without said class getting weaker to kittening use it. w T F anet. The skills are more damaging to us!!!!!!!! And classes that have similar, sometimes more powerful variations can use their skill without kittening themselves.

Stronger Bhawb? MM is stronger, Condi got destroyed and power Necro will get destroyed compared to the power creep. In wvw, Necro’s will be replaced by mesmers, and we still can’t roam, nor will we be a thing in pve. Stronger, I strongly disagree

NeXeD.3042:

Gryph.8237:

Gryph.8237:

Kill your necro before you start to like it and then learn its huge weaknesses and begin to believe the dev’s understand and want to help. Play a meta class, which are still the best in all game modes. Ele, engie, thief, guardian, warrior, or Mesmer. That will get you a seat in PVP and wvw. In wvw the classes that are not hugely strong on group play, are awesome roamers. Necro is a dud, but wanted in groups for two wells. That’s it. Two wells on rotation for big bombs. Nothing else now

not anymore, wvw groups gonna tell their necros to switch to chronomancers.

Yep. True. Necro died 3 times

Gryph.8237:

Kill your necro before you start to like it and then learn its huge weaknesses and begin to believe the dev’s understand and want to help. Play a meta class, which are still the best in all game modes. Ele, engie, thief, guardian, warrior, or Mesmer. That will get you a seat in PVP and wvw. In wvw the classes that are not hugely strong on group play, are awesome roamers. Necro is a dud, but wanted in groups for two wells. That’s it. Two wells on rotation for big bombs. Nothing else now

Kill your necro before you start to like it and then learn its huge weaknesses and begin to believe the dev’s understand and want to help. Play a meta class, which are still the best in all game modes. Ele, engie, thief, guardian, warrior, or Mesmer. That will get you a seat in PVP and wvw. In wvw the classes that are not hugely stroud on group play, are awesome roamers. Necro is a dud, but wanted in groups for two wells. That’s it. Two wells on rotation for big bombs. Nothing else now

Class. Grade of changes
Mesmer. A+ (Overall class average A-). Meta
Engie. A. (Overall class average A thanks to turret dmg being a thing now) meta
Ele. A. (Overall class average A+) meta
Thief. A+ (Overall class average A-) meta
Guardian. B. (Overall class average /B+) meta
Ranger. B-/C+ (Overall class average C-)—-not meta
Warrior. C. ( overall class average B+) meta
Necromancer F- (overall class average D-)—-not even close to meta

Devs chose a Necro representative from this community and start working with them. It’s obvious you’re lost

Necro is done in pvp. Just wait. Pwr builds will be crushed even faster, no condi builds were weakened significantly., while engie, thief, warrior, Mesmer, and guardian just got a huger power creep. Ele, engie, and Mesmer will dominate once again, with warriors and guardians will still be necessary. Necro – dead.

15’kittening seconds is like 4 #1 skills, or like #4 and one or two #1s. I will not even waste my time because wtf, you loose time in the godkitten transform. Anet failed.

Anet buffs the top tier classes and nerfs the lower tier classes to ensure the top tier classes have an easier time countering the lower tier classes,because it’s clear the devs like mesmers, eles, Engies, theives, and to some degree guardians and warriors. Those classes have devs who work hard to make improvements and know the class well. With regard to the necro, the devs don’t know the class and FAIL big time. Admit it, you have nothing. Lol, necro is useless in pvp now, especially now that our soft CCs do nothing to slow movement. Condi builds will likely kitten themselves harder and now help you kill us even faster. Good job anet. if I could get a refunds for all my gem purchases and money spent in this game I would do it and delete my account and walk away. Will walk away when a true pvp game comes out

Anet you get an f for this class and the changes. A big fat zero. If I could give you less than nothing I would.

Heal, vuln on, thief or Mesmer burst, lower than where you were pre heal, bam dead. Thanks anet. But whoopidie doooooo the worst heal we have now has an active that heals terribly in DS. So you have to pop it, and go into ds. Sigh…. Weak

I hate this game now actually. I hate the negative feeling of my struggle, and hopes for this class getting crushed each time they release big patches. From not getting any changes at all to getting uber nerfed I just can’t keep doing this. This classes pvp role just got slammed to one build, mm. Mm is all that will work and forgive me, but no thank you. These devs don’t give two kittens for this class, don’t even play it. They give you one thing but nerf two or three things in exchange. So many wtf moments with this class that I personally think they get ankickmout of tormenting us, positive changes? Lol. This class just took a dive and will not be anywhere near pvp compared to the buffs most of the top tier classes received.

The necro got over nerfed once again with the devs off in la la land. Anet devs: I don’t think you know how to even play the necro let alone balance it. You nerfed one of the weakest least used classes in the game. You screwed over condi builds, we have crap sustain, and now our best heal, which is one of the most interrupted slowest most predictable heals got nerfed with literally no reason. Power builds look the exact same with some terrible group siphons (yay your team can now see a whole 50 hps a critical hit so much sustain) with some odd teleport of downed teammate crap lol) Seriously, this class will go from least represented in competitive play to non existent. Your changes are a joke, and one again demonstrat that you don’t even play this class. Incompetent. But hey your meta IS STILL THE SAME, except the most powerful classes, ele, engie, thief, and Mesmer got more powerful. YAY FOR YOU guys.

Seriously, the devs need to PLAY this class and see how it is to USE these skills in pvp, not face them on their precious engineers, eles, thieves, and guardians. I swear they design inherent weaknesses in the necro class so that we are weaker when facing their baby classes. Kitten this crap design. The bias is over freaking whelming!!!

Trait bg.pngTrait VIII.png
Axe Training
Trait lineNecromancer tango icon 20px.png Spite Tier MasterType MajorCost50 Silver coin + 5 Skill point.pngUnlock requirementComplete the Citadel of Flame in Story Mode.

“
Reduces recharge on axe skills. Increases damage while wielding axes.

Damage Damage increase: 10%
Miscellaneous effect.png Recharge reduced: 20%
— In-game description

This is what is is now. I guess you have to autoattack to make it worthwhile. No wait, vuln is the new spam, so you won’t even need to autoattack. This weapon is crap, and has not changed..

Lol. Necro just got slammed in pvp, with some weird changes that will only smokescreen the nerfs. Maybe, mm got a buff, but if necro means being an mm to be good, then necro is not for me, after 3 years.

Lol? Axe training is worse than it was, our only heal worth taking was nerfed and our other heals blow. Net nerfs, minor buffs = junk. Necro will be blah

One question: do devs play necros??

Hahah so unprofessional. Top classes done, low priority, necro community, can wait, as it’s not imp. Only one on a top pvp team and no one needs them in pve anyway. Ha

Yeah a necro needs more rng to its poor repitoire. Random kitten is stupid. kitten can’t control anything now. M

So, will the twitch steam start up again or what? Down? Finished with their loved classes, no need to address the lower tier classes. Guardian, we know, is already getting huge changes, making it more powerful per the last stream, while we got nothing really.

Maybe they realized that the necro got hard boned and want to flip a trait around a bit so we feel we are getting attention and don’t notice it’s only a smoke screen to once again cover up our overwhelming flaws. How’s that for negative.

So the classes already top tier in PVP meta remained top tier, while those not in top tier, i.e. Necro now will no longer be played. All hail the top five classes, the dev’s favorite, their pride and joy, the drivers of meta, the masters of pvp, the mobile, healing, condi clearing, high dmg, group buffing classes. What’s left, necro and maybe the ranger, who received some nice buffs.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Gryph.8237:

My god, camelot unchained or crowfall here I come. Kickstarted both. I have stuck it out here 3 years and I’m a gem store hog so they have gotten their money’s worth. I’m a necro lover and if we get humped on this balance patch I’m out. Who cares right, im a loud mouth negative kitten , but I sure did want more for the class.

Ive already locked in that I will reroll to revenant :P I think a ton of necros have too. It is the same play style but without all the useless flaws just because necro was good in beta vs people who were terrible.

Ha prob right or just play engie or ele. Eles already eat me if I run condi or power. I can out last them if they are build to counter me, unless I, as a condi build, get one who is counter to my power build, but most eles can counter both… Sigh. I just see our opportunities Shrinking while other classes seem to be expanding

My god, camelot unchained or crowfall here I come. Kickstarted both. I have stuck it out here 3 years and I’m a gem store hog so they have gotten their money’s worth. I’m a necro lover and if we get humped on this balance patch I’m out. Who cares right, im a loud mouth negative kitten , but I sure did want more for the class.

Lordrosicky.5813:

No we wont get kitten. Look at elementalist buffs. Perma blind is death for all necros. Rampage 1 shotting people on a 2 minute cooldown? Going to get wrecked by that too.

Necro will still have kitten like shrouded removal haha. Lets remove that 1 condition. Lets have some on death minors. Lets have grandmaster death magic traits which are totally useless. Lets just randomly have 2 staff traits in different lines for no reason whatsoever.

None of this will change imo. The staff issue will kill build diversity and necro builds.

Brother, you’re preaching to the choir. We are right there. Condi necro will die despite the change to condi dmg, at least in pvp.

That’s the point, necros get inherently weaker while other classes get stronger. Engies had trouble with condi necros,,,’ not anymore because now they have a trait which converts conditions into boons every 15 seconds. Lol no skill Condi control. Don’t even have to press a freakin button and they clear 15 stacks of whatever and convert it into a kittening boon. Lol at anet.

I am calling it now, we wil get some cruddy blood traits and they will call it done. I have no faith. If I’m proven wrong, I will print out this post and literally eat my words (paper version)

Dev’s love engies, eles, Warriors, and guardians. in contrast they hate Necros. Rangers are loved but still not top tier.

Ok so it did not crash only for me. I was just like holy crap on the engie, ranger and ele changes. Engie and eles are already top tier and will now remain there. Ranger got some real nice buffs. While we will…. Well I’m not that optimistic because it’s clear they love those classes

I’m thinking our class will be worse. So, def not optimistic.

… Amazing. Think we will get anything worth kitten?

The level of dev love to this already top tier class is sick. It’s a ridiculous level of bias. So bad. If Necro’s actually got this level of love….

But no, let’s make a top tier class more powerful. Thanks Anet devs. No bias here lol

Engies had probs with condi’s not anymore. Have traits don’t even need skill, condi on you now automatically gives you boons. Lol at anet