Guild Wars 2

capuchinseven.8395:

GuardianOMS.8067:

saiyr.3071:

I’ve definitely seen them do it on Maguuma borderlands (or at least heard Xushin’s sexy voice talking about it). It’s pretty absurd to claim that people don’t know about it at this tier.

It’s not absurd, we don’t know the simplest tactics like stacking might. We’ve just never done that in our entire LIVES. We should spend more time in the game, you know, because it’s not possible that the reason you are on the forums is because you can’t currently play the game.

I want to spend my time stacking might.

While you’re at it, destory the oil before you build a Golem. It would make your sarcasm funnier for the reason you mean it to be, and not tragically comical.

DB have been a blast to play, and still get a lot of /bows and /waves from those of us stood on the vista of the north camp but Mag have been a sever of trash talking, group inviting excuse makers that seem to have a much higher views of themselves than their actual understanding of WvW would suggest.

No idea where the servers problem has come from, I had nothing but respect for both servers when we entered T3.

Nope, we’re never destroyed oil, we havent even built golems before. You’ve got us ALL figured out. Maguuma does not understand WvW at all, please lend us more information, sensei. I don’t really care what respect you have or didn’t have for Maguuma, no one does. If you’re going to respect a server because they /bow and /wave to you, that’s laughably silly. I wave at TC players all the time, I party with them and we chat the hours away. Despite all the mud you’re trying to sling there are people that enjoy Maguuma and it’s quirks. Some people that will add to trash talk, who cares?! Its a video game. If you’re going to be so upset at people to the point that you’re saying “I don’t have respect for (the people on it as a whole)” then you need to take a break.

You were dueling so I’m guessing you were in a party with them at some point? Why don’t you tell them and leave it at that?

Why can’t we be friends? Why can’t we be friends? Why can’t we be friends? Why can’t we be friends?

DB, nice trick at NE camp just now! Mad respect.

saiyr.3071:

Evalakitten480:

I’m so afraid of this thread right now … that I’m just not touching it.

Come baaack and post a score update

Drank one too many sheep tonics?

The people doing that are frustrated, butt|hurt, scrubs, and those are on every server. All of veteran Maguumans (except maybe three) rarely add/join to trash talk. In fact, there was a heartwarming reunion between us an a DB player that we got mad at that we couldn’t kill. Turned out to be a player who thrashed us before. Chatted up and good times were had in SE camp.

Edit: If someone parties just to trash you, kindly report them for verbal abuse. Because it’s just immature and dumb. That being said, I’ve gotten two from TC, and I didn’t even do anything to deserve one of them.

THERE’S A WAR GOING ON!

katniss.6735:

My server’s playing like complete garbage right now. Ugh.

Are you commanding the pubbies again? Godspeed.

There was a terrible, horrible commander on Mag BL today. Never seen him in my life. He attacked west keep from the northern gate, then tried to bust down south gate from the inside. You can’t make this stuff up. I loved the part when I spent a good 30secs explaining why what he was doing was wrong, and what he needed to actually be doing. He completely ignored me and didn’t even offer an explanation. In the end, I was proven right. The sad thing is, because of his icon people followed him and just fed badges to TC.

Sometimes… I just… :|

Edit: Oh, and my favorite of the evening:

“How many golems do you need to take a Garrison?”
“One.”
“Let’s go take TC Garrison.”
“…no.”

Yeah… this dude just had no clue.

saiyr.3071:

I’ve definitely seen them do it on Maguuma borderlands (or at least heard Xushin’s sexy voice talking about it). It’s pretty absurd to claim that people don’t know about it at this tier.

It’s not absurd, we don’t know the simplest tactics like stacking might. We’ve just never done that in our entire LIVES. We should spend more time in the game, you know, because it’s not possible that the reason you are on the forums is because you can’t currently play the game.

I want to spend my time stacking might.

Camping only exists if you allow it to, so it only shows are stupid the ones being camped are.

The i in Maguuma Invader is capitalized.

Raf.1078:

WvW in T2 will always be about larger groups. If Maguma ever hits T2, you’ll figure that out pretty quickly.

It’s like he’s saying Maguuma doesn’t know that T2 is a zergfest or we have any aspirations to be in that tier.

What is FA doing in this thread?
Please say hi to the Human ranger commander in white for me. I still love him…
Tell him it’s from that mesmer that kept peg legging him.

He knows…. :|

Shrouded.6450:

But you’re a maguuman, and I’m a TCer….is it possible? :o

Edit: Dood, just kidding. C’mon mahn you’re from mags. You mentioned chest-thumping so I replied to it. Relax! :p

Yeah, because you got all hot and heavy from people using the word zerg.

I AM ALWAYS kittenING RELAXED. Seriously despite heated words no one is emotionally invested in this. I’m here because I’m at work with nothing to do and there was an argument a’brewing. There’s nothing wrong with debating and throwing words at each other so long as we keep it civil. At the end of the day, no one really, truly hates anyone or cares what they say.

Maguumans and chill dudes with spiky shells. I for one would rather have more friends than enemies, but people get so hurt by print on a screen that it’s hard not to throw a spike shell at them.

Good, now can we hug and be friends?

Edit: Apparently not since you think that was all chest thumping. Wow, that was a good troll. No one can say an honest opinion without someone taking it as a bigger nuts contest.

Shrouded.6450:

That’s fine, I’m not that impressed by you guys either. We’re too kitten busy trying to get out of this tier.

And that’s fine, you shouldn’t be. Just stop taking it to heart every time someone chest thumps.

If you honestly think anyone is worked up you need to stop kidding yourself. I’ve already said I’m being trolled.

Asudementio.8526:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Asudementio.8526:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Shrouded.6450:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Shrouded.6450:

No, they didn’t. Because all we did was zerg around.
Terrible troll is terrible. And this is coming from the worst of them all.

Don’t worry, we’ll try to get to T2 as fast as possible where we’re not “overpopulated”..

Okay, I’m confused as to what point you’re trying to make here. Please explain this to me, as I don’t have multiple degrees and am not a smart person.

I was replying to Guardians point that our “skills was being drowned out” by our numbers. Just wanted to pointed the irony of that comment when you were in T4.

How is that irony? I just said all we did was zerg around. We outnumber Yaks/CD/EBay, it’s not something we’re hiding. Whoever is saying Mag did well in T4 because of leet skills is lying. But I have no idea who this is or what you’re attempting to argue.

Would you believe that TC is pretty much doing the same as you guys? We’re really just trying to get out of this tier..

Yes, lots of us know this and know what it’s like. But your people have admitted that you need this “morale booster.” The fact that you outnumber us, we outnumber T4, and that T2 servers are fighting people who don’t come close to that sort of coverage is no one’s fault but ANet’s terrible ranking system.

When you run around in zergballs that are enough to steamroll your opponents simply by smashing 1 due to your sheer numbers makes it’s honestly difficult to see the skill level of the people involved. This does not only pertain to TC, it’s anyone who’s filled those shoes at some point. Mag, FA, Kain, any server.

If it is difficult to ascertain the skill level of a server due to their numbers perhaps judgmental parties should reserve their judgement rather than flame the other server by assuming they’re unskilled because of their numbers…

Please quote me when I said TC had no skill. TIA.

I didn’t accuse you of saying anything; don’t feel the need to be so defensive- i was simply saying that as good advice for everyone.

Sure, okay, moving on.

Asudementio.8526:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Shrouded.6450:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Shrouded.6450:

No, they didn’t. Because all we did was zerg around.
Terrible troll is terrible. And this is coming from the worst of them all.

Don’t worry, we’ll try to get to T2 as fast as possible where we’re not “overpopulated”..

Okay, I’m confused as to what point you’re trying to make here. Please explain this to me, as I don’t have multiple degrees and am not a smart person.

I was replying to Guardians point that our “skills was being drowned out” by our numbers. Just wanted to pointed the irony of that comment when you were in T4.

How is that irony? I just said all we did was zerg around. We outnumber Yaks/CD/EBay, it’s not something we’re hiding. Whoever is saying Mag did well in T4 because of leet skills is lying. But I have no idea who this is or what you’re attempting to argue.

Would you believe that TC is pretty much doing the same as you guys? We’re really just trying to get out of this tier..

Yes, lots of us know this and know what it’s like. But your people have admitted that you need this “morale booster.” The fact that you outnumber us, we outnumber T4, and that T2 servers are fighting people who don’t come close to that sort of coverage is no one’s fault but ANet’s terrible ranking system.

When you run around in zergballs that are enough to steamroll your opponents simply by smashing 1 due to your sheer numbers makes it’s honestly difficult to see the skill level of the people involved. This does not only pertain to TC, it’s anyone who’s filled those shoes at some point. Mag, FA, Kain, any server.

If it is difficult to ascertain the skill level of a server due to their numbers perhaps judgmental parties should reserve their judgement rather than flame the other server by assuming they’re unskilled because of their numbers…

Please quote me when I said TC had no skill. TIA.

Shrouded.6450:

Yes, lots of us know this and know what it’s like. But your people have admitted that you need this “morale booster.”

A number of people, they’re not the ones who fought at the end of the week to keep our server in T2 though….

When you run around in zergballs that are enough to steamroll your opponents simply by smashing 1 due to your sheer numbers makes it’s honestly difficult to see the skill level of the people involved. This does not only pertain to TC, it’s anyone who’s filled those shoes at some point. Mag, FA, Kain, any server.

I don’t think there is any irony in pointing out that a server with overwhelming population advantage doesn’t have much chance to demonstrate skill, but that’s my opinion.

Good, for a minute there I thought you were trying to single TC out…

How… what.. I said all we did was zerg around in T4 and there was so skill involved. Why would you… I don’t even…. ERROR

CD/EBay/Yak’s will always think Maguuma is a zerg server, because they lost people and we didn’t and simply do not met our numbers. That being said, lots of people in Yak’s and Ebay actually like and respect Maguuma. I know, it’s hard to believe!

TC has always been a zerg server, for christ’s sake it’s why you’ve been in T2 for so long. All I’m saying is that people using 20 others as a safety net and being able to flash build seven pieces of siege is not really something I can look upon as skill. This does not mean you do not have skill, it simply means, AS I SAID, it is difficult to see. There’s nothing wrong with not being impressed by you, it’s not meant to be something offensive. I’ve yet to witness a TC group butting heads with our group of similar numbers and just rolling us. When that happens, I will humbly congratulate them. But for all the reasons I have listed, it’s just nearly impossible to do at the moment.

Shrouded.6450:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Shrouded.6450:

No, they didn’t. Because all we did was zerg around.
Terrible troll is terrible. And this is coming from the worst of them all.

Don’t worry, we’ll try to get to T2 as fast as possible where we’re not “overpopulated”..

Okay, I’m confused as to what point you’re trying to make here. Please explain this to me, as I don’t have multiple degrees and am not a smart person.

I was replying to Guardians point that our “skills was being drowned out” by our numbers. Just wanted to pointed the irony of that comment when you were in T4.

How is that irony? I just said all we did was zerg around. We outnumber Yaks/CD/EBay, it’s not something we’re hiding. Whoever is saying Mag did well in T4 because of leet skills is lying. But I have no idea who this is or what you’re attempting to argue.

Would you believe that TC is pretty much doing the same as you guys? We’re really just trying to get out of this tier..

Yes, lots of us know this and know what it’s like. But your people have admitted that you need this “morale booster.” The fact that you outnumber us, we outnumber T4, and that T2 servers are fighting people who don’t come close to that sort of coverage is no one’s fault but ANet’s terrible ranking system.

When you run around in zergballs that are enough to steamroll your opponents simply by smashing 1 due to your sheer numbers makes it’s honestly difficult to see the skill level of the people involved. This does not only pertain to TC, it’s anyone who’s filled those shoes at some point. Mag, FA, Kain, any server.

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

Turkey.3605:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

You got transfers from CD.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tarnished-Desert/first

Two guilds: KH (about 30 dedicated WvW players) and LW (not sure their exact size, but they were definitely smaller than KH when we were all on CD. All the rest of the CD guilds went mostly to Kaineng and Blackgate I believe.

KH was recruited by TC to try and replace a couple of guilds that transferred off TC the week before.

This is wrong in a lot of ways. The only guilds TC has recieved in the last four months are:
[DIS] ~30 people transferred from CD 4 months ago
[FIST]: ~30 people transferred from IoJ when IoJ died
[KH]: ~150 people transferred from CD when CD died
[CYN]: ~100 people transferred from CD when CD died

that’s not even enough to even fill a single guild.

Dunno what you guys are aruging about but just wanted to say, that’s enough to fill two borderlands. Which is, you know, half of the WvW map.

Shrouded.6450:

No, they didn’t. Because all we did was zerg around.
Terrible troll is terrible. And this is coming from the worst of them all.

Don’t worry, we’ll try to get to T2 as fast as possible where we’re not “overpopulated”..

Okay, I’m confused as to what point you’re trying to make here. Please explain this to me, as I don’t have multiple degrees and am not a smart person.

I was replying to Guardians point that our “skills was being drowned out” by our numbers. Just wanted to pointed the irony of that comment when you were in T4.

How is that irony? I just said all we did was zerg around. We outnumber Yaks/CD/EBay, it’s not something we’re hiding. Whoever is saying Mag did well in T4 because of leet skills is lying. But I have no idea who this is or what you’re attempting to argue.

Now he’s quoted the word the T4 poster used. Saiyr, hold me, I’m so confused.

No, they didn’t. Because all we did was zerg around.

Terrible troll is terrible. And this is coming from the worst of them all.

Shrouded.6450:

i hope that yaks isnt as overpopulated as maguuma…

Quoted from a tier 4 WvW player…

I hope TC isn’t as overpopulated as Maguuma.

Is that from a CD or EBay player? because that’s the only way they could think we’re overpopulated. No queues during that entire week in T4 other than reset night that I am aware of. Yup, we are so overpopulated.

You’re not very good at this. You’re comparing servers that don’t have the same coverage and population across tiers. You’re essentially saying “well you outnumbered T4” like it’s an actual argument as to why we’re not outnumbering a T2 server. What the christ.

In all honesty how can you expect TC to shine when their main advantage is numbers? Even if you go up against an amazing “organized group” or guild, the fact that they have 20 other people with them is going to drown out their abilities.

And as far as I can see, there are no gimmick guilds so there just really isn’t anything that can shine through on TC.

Truearrow.3527:

Dontcare Aboutnames.9284:

So just a thought I was having, if Mag is so convinced they are amazing I’d like to see at least 1 video of them wiping groups instead of them just talking. (I’d hope one person would at least be able to) I know we have a few in TV who are going to start recording all of our stuff mostly for our own benefit but all this “We wiped you X times and you never wiped us” talk just seems silly from what I’ve experienced so far seeing as I had 500+ kills on Saturday on an upleveled guardian with no elite and I’m already starting his 2nd stack of badges at level 29 I’m just tossing this up here in a hope to see some video’s by Mag and DB since it’s always nice to see the opposite side of the field yours truly a humble TC player.

As you wish, Mag old schoolers vs Quenta and BT a few weeks ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2b6fBKokik FA likes to treb from that camp, back and forth with trebs and winds eles for hours and hours and hours.

This video is two months old. It doesn’t reflect current gameplay or something.

Benjamin.6235:

TC, you might be surprised at how friendly we get once you show up to a few fight clubs.

True dat. Must respect goes to winners and even for just participating. Mag has made many of its friends this way.

Ninein.4782:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Ninein.4782:

kfarb.6732:

Ninein.4782:

Not only that but Maguuma got trolls that talk smack, be disruptive and intimidating to newcomers and newbies. Good luck getting people encouraged to keep coming out with that kind of attitude.

People making jokes in a videogame or explaining to a random new commander who decides to step into wvw for the first time what they could have done better don’t seem all that terrible to me. I don’t know what specifically you’re referring to, though.

A lot of people I rarely see in-game seem to have complaints about their own server. (Used to see you a lot Ninein, but it’s been quite a while).

“People making jokes” is like the polar opposite of reality. I have not seen these same trolls trying to explain anything. It’s either “bad commander you suck” or “get off our server you suck” kind of thing.

I literally have not seen this bad commander you suck" or “get off our server you suck” kind of thing for weeks. On Saturday when a newly transferred commander tried to take the reigns, mumble was nothing but a teaching class and telling him and other people what they did wrong and why. No one said he sucked (which he did) or the people who made blatant mistakes (like queuing an upgrade for east when we don’t own camps, have no supply, and still have a large number of enemies on the map, ultimately, that mistake cost us the keep), but we corrected them and moved on.

Well I’m glad there are helpfull people on Maguuma still. But this wasn’t always the case when I played up until a week ago. Anyways, just wanted to point out other possible contributing factor to fewer people in WvW.

Still? We didnt go anywhere. I find it highly unbelievable that that happened often or seriously. Maguuma has always been helpful to anyone in mumble making bad decisions and willing to improve. The difference is commanders that command via chat tend to not be open or receptive to criticism and that sparks flaming. Sure we may be overly aggressive at times, but it doesn’t mean the person recieving the lashing doesn’t deserve it.

However, I don’t believe its an epidemic to the point that we can attribute a significant loss to players to it.

You guys act like you’ve never seen a server bust out the alts or get lazy during a blowout.

Video or it didn’t happen.

Ninein.4782:

kfarb.6732:

Ninein.4782:

Not only that but Maguuma got trolls that talk smack, be disruptive and intimidating to newcomers and newbies. Good luck getting people encouraged to keep coming out with that kind of attitude.

People making jokes in a videogame or explaining to a random new commander who decides to step into wvw for the first time what they could have done better don’t seem all that terrible to me. I don’t know what specifically you’re referring to, though.

A lot of people I rarely see in-game seem to have complaints about their own server. (Used to see you a lot Ninein, but it’s been quite a while).

“People making jokes” is like the polar opposite of reality. I have not seen these same trolls trying to explain anything. It’s either “bad commander you suck” or “get off our server you suck” kind of thing.

I literally have not seen this bad commander you suck" or “get off our server you suck” kind of thing for weeks. On Saturday when a newly transferred commander tried to take the reigns, mumble was nothing but a teaching class and telling him and other people what they did wrong and why. No one said he sucked (which he did) or the people who made blatant mistakes (like queuing an upgrade for east when we don’t own camps, have no supply, and still have a large number of enemies on the map, ultimately, that mistake cost us the keep), but we corrected them and moved on.

Did the OP really just compare two servers in a tier when said two servers are facing different opponents? What the actual kitten? Not to sound rude but how can you say “logically, that does not compute” when there’s a variable in the mix? I don’t even….

He’s saying he and Hakuuna carry Magumma. God, kfarb, CMON!

TheFug.5278:

Even Maguuma doesn’t like Maguuma.

In case for some odd reason you don’t know, he is trolling.

It’s because Nurse left him for a better PvPer

Jayne.9251:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

And seem not to understand the irony of Bunzy’s post itt.

Oh probably

I get the impression Bunzy is quite famous?

Infamous.

EnRohbi.2187:

Jayne.9251:

saiyr.3071:

Bunzy.8674:

zaxon.6819:

magummas biggest downfall is our guys cant get off the forums talking crap

this pretty much sums up everything.

yeah our biggest downfall is literally hundreds of people from maguuma on the forums instead of in wvw

this coming from the king of talking crap himself

No. What happens is the trolls get under some folks skin and it winds up making their entire server a target. Given a choice of targeting a friendly server or targeting one that has people saying nasty things, it follows the latter would be more appealing. It’s human nature.

What happens on the forums does indeed translate in game.

I know a few of our folks were quite motivated after reading some of the posts in this thread, but perhaps that’s the point of the trolling — to get the fights going after them. There’s one fellow on (not to be named T1 server) that does this deliberately because he wants an entire server coming after his guild. He thinks it makes the fights better. That’s his prerogative, as it is anyone’s choice. But it winds up making the whole server deal with the fallout.

I have suspected since one of our first matches with Maguuma that their forum trolling (Particularly the OG squabblers) is very deliberate and thought out, and for a very similar purpose as to what you’re talking about.

It helps to change your mentality regarding their trolls though.
I, for one, just started to think of them as a joke instead of an annoyance. Maguuma forum warriors have been a lot more entertaining since then.

The point is to entertain, only two people actually are looking to make others rage. People still don’t get it that trolling is not always about “haha I’m better than you.”

kfarb.6732:

Bunzy.8674:

Our second problem is people are under the illusion that maguuma is more skilled then other servers.

My experience with this server is while their is some skilled players most people are below average. The average Maguuman is afraid to fight the enemy and will often run away or not even engage them, especially when fighting skilled enemies.

There really isn’t any guild besides [OG] that I would feel safe placing my confidence in for being able to fend for themselves. The individual skill of the other guilds on Maguuma is extremely lacking.

Thread just got bunzied. You can all go home now.

But it had so much left to live for…

Bunzy’s trolls would be a lot more believable if like, a third of the Mag forum warriors weren’t DER\P.

Maguuma is failing because people are on the forums and not in WvW. I love this game.

John Widdin.9618:

I really didn’t have much of an idea what to do with the 20 people I had against the 40+ people TC roaming around in a tight group.

You kill them, obviously.

Excuse, me. You kill them, then win.

TheFug.5278:

GuardianOMS.8067:

TheFug.5278:

This happened last time we fought Maguuma, even when we were on CD.

They pull the “lol we never die and pwn you guys so hard” card out. Then they talk about how bad we are.

And then when they actually go up against organized guild groups they all get dominated and promptly leave the BG while blaming numbers.

Guys, it’s getting a bit tired.

Yup, that’s what always happens. Please, tell me more. Because CD never did this! Oh no no no.

It is what always happens. When I first heard we were going up against Maguuma again, I told my guildies that we would be seeing the “we never die!” card being thrown out again. Sure enough, there it is.

Why don’t you guys stop trolling the forums and try playing the game for once, you might actually have fun.

Until then I am going to keep RP’ing. I like collecting badges while dressing up like a pretty pirate.

No way! Maguuma is in the same situation and you guessed that we would react the same way?! Please teach me, sensei! . It’s not hard to guess how forums warriors are gonna act, just as how we know how TC and CD acts. Nothing changes. If you’re tired of it, go have fun.

But the fact that you’ve been trolling as well kind of makes you seem like you should be practicing what you preach.

TheFug.5278:

This happened last time we fought Maguuma, even when we were on CD.

They pull the “lol we never die and pwn you guys so hard” card out. Then they talk about how bad we are.

And then when they actually go up against organized guild groups they all get dominated and promptly leave the BG while blaming numbers.

Guys, it’s getting a bit tired.

Yup, that’s what always happens. Please, tell me more. Because CD never did this! Oh no no no.

Static.9841:

ParaldaWind.4523:

My point is… fighting you guys is frustrating because we can repeatedly kill you, but you just keep coming. A lot of our regulars and really demoralized from months of bad matchups (BP/DR, BP/DR, IOJ/YB, FA/DB, KN/DB, FA/DB, FA/DB, CD/EB – I think that’s the right order) and now getting demolished by a very large zerg of players we feel better than has really broken a lot of people.

The comical part of this is that you’re so incredibly arrogant to assume you’re better than us, yet it’s your moral being broken. Honestly, I can picture it now, “We’re so much better than them, why do they keep coming back at us? waahh”. I haven’t been in awe of a single Maguuma players ‘mad skillz yo’ yet, and I’ve been roaming solid the entire weekend. We can all chest thump there Kong.

I can see this thread is just going to become the “OMG I farmed soooooooo many badges from X server” thread all over again because we can’t be gracious in defeat, completely pointless. Well done on having so much minus inventory space

Um, Maguuma farms people whether they’re winning or losing, so does every other server. And people chest thump regardless of score. You need to stop thinking elitist behavior is only to compensate for scores. We are like this 24/7. If you’re looking for good Maguuma fights, hit up anyone in DER|P. You’re more than welcome to PM me as well.

Dontcare Aboutnames.9284:

I’ve seen Mag groups of ~60 running on EB

Pics or it didn’t happen. Also people are really terrible at estimating numbers sooooo…

I know you’re listening, Mods. Please make this happen as an April Fool’s joke. TIA.

Jayne.9251:

I guess my point was that I’ve seen them use minimal siege and still hold off significant numbers vs their numbers simply by using ACs placed strategically and holding the choke. Certainly if you only have two folks inside manning those ACs it won’t deter a determined zerg.

What I find more disheartening, is having tons of siege in place and then nobody comes and yeah, wipe. I cry a little after sometimes spending hours running supply to siege up a place and we lose it.

Being outnumbered 2:1 is not “significant”. Choke points are not the issue, we all know how to hold them and no one was talking about them.

Certainly if you only have two folks inside manning those ACs it won’t deter a determined zerg.

This is simply the point we are making. In an outer wall/gate attack, while the defensive team is heavily outnumbered, you rarely have the use of choke points, ballistas, or catapaults (because it’ll take too long to build with little man power and a gate already at 75%). Point is, there is rarely much that will stop 35 players from taking down a gate with 5 people trying to stop them. This is when we fight in the lord room and hope people get here or go to the next tower/camp.

All this sounds like complaining about being outnumbered, which I’m not doing. But lots of people seem to underestimate the power of numbers in this game and offer half-baked solutions. Just having a friendly conversation about why they do not work.

It’s obvious the only option is to turn cannons into movable, deply-able siege.

Jayne.9251:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Jayne.9251:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Urrid.4593:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Urrid.4593:

If you cannot stop a 80+ person zerg auto attacking doors something is clearly wrong on your end. (2 arrow carts.)

Is that a joke? Because if you put the carts out of range where people can’t aoe them so easily, that lessens the range of the operator on the cart (we know what happens if you put them in range). So if said 80 people fan out and just flash build catas, they can not only destroy the gate/wall and arrows carts, but avoid constant fire too. Edit: But even if they don’t build siege and just continue to auto attack, simply fanning out, strafing, and dodging will defuse any arrow cart damage in the secs it’ll take you to headbang gate open.

And who is afraid of arrow cart fire except for glass cannons when you’re in a group of apparently 80? There’s bound to be a support class or ten floating about.

It was a joke!

(TC doesn’t auto attack doors with 80+ people ever. Maybe 35 but never 80. Oh and we tend to use siege.)

The point still stands. Two arrow carts don’t mean a thing to 35 players.

Actually HB on BG does this. Two ACs, 15 players, a choke point, and endless slaughter. The brats :p

Where’s the choke point? We’re talking about arrow carts on a gate (and the only gates with a choke point that I am aware of is Garrison watergate and the southern gate of East Keep). And we are talking about 35 players, not 15. Why are the numbers just getting lower and lower…?

No they’ve had only 15 players inside with 30 or more of us hammering outside. Lol, it wasn’t pretty.

The choke point, for example could be the hole in the wall if gate wasn’t used … If gate was used, take the NE tower, the gate itself becomes the choke, with you guys up top by the supply … Or over the bridge before the lords room.

15v30+ is not what we’re talking about. It’s two arrow carts vs 35 players. Holy moly.

Zynthetic.2954:

Depends on how many rams they bring. 2 arrow carts won’t save a gate from 4 superior rams and 80 people autoattacking the gate.

Hell, 2 arrow carts wouldn’t be able to stop the 80 players full stop, and if there isn’t a largish zergbreaker guild on the way, the best you could do is delay for another point tick.

Plus depending on the location of the arrow carts, they can be taken out as well.

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GuardianOMS.8067:

Is that a joke? Because if you put the carts out of range where people can’t aoe them so easily, that lessens the range of the operator on the cart (we know what happens if you put them in range). So if said 80 people fan out and just flash build catas, they can not only destroy the gate/wall and arrows carts, but avoid constant fire too. Edit: But even if they don’t build siege and just continue to auto attack, simply fanning out, strafing, and dodging will defuse any arrow cart damage in the secs it’ll take you to headbang gate open.

And who is afraid of arrow cart fire except for glass cannons when you’re in a group of apparently 80? There’s bound to be a support class or ten floating about.

Not trying to be snobby, I was just pointing out I’ve said the exact same thing.

Jayne.9251:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Urrid.4593:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Urrid.4593:

If you cannot stop a 80+ person zerg auto attacking doors something is clearly wrong on your end. (2 arrow carts.)

Is that a joke? Because if you put the carts out of range where people can’t aoe them so easily, that lessens the range of the operator on the cart (we know what happens if you put them in range). So if said 80 people fan out and just flash build catas, they can not only destroy the gate/wall and arrows carts, but avoid constant fire too. Edit: But even if they don’t build siege and just continue to auto attack, simply fanning out, strafing, and dodging will defuse any arrow cart damage in the secs it’ll take you to headbang gate open.

And who is afraid of arrow cart fire except for glass cannons when you’re in a group of apparently 80? There’s bound to be a support class or ten floating about.

It was a joke!

(TC doesn’t auto attack doors with 80+ people ever. Maybe 35 but never 80. Oh and we tend to use siege.)

The point still stands. Two arrow carts don’t mean a thing to 35 players.

Actually HB on BG does this. Two ACs, 15 players, a choke point, and endless slaughter. The brats :p

Where’s the choke point? We’re talking about arrow carts on a gate (and the only gates with a choke point that I am aware of is Garrison watergate and the southern gate of East Keep). And we are talking about 35 players, not 15. Why are the numbers just getting lower and lower…?

Urrid.4593:

Yeah but it slows them down a great deal if they only have rams. Two carts can save the garrison water gate by buying additional time for instance. Two carts on any gate with a gap pretty much rules out all but the most coordinated ram assaults which is pretty helpful no?

Carts? No. Cannons? Yes.

Let’s say this isn’t the Garrison, let’s say this is SW or a northern tower, where you only have one chance and buying time means nothing. Those two arrow carts may take down the rams and operators but 30-33 people attacking the gate will melt it.

Urrid.4593:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Urrid.4593:

If you cannot stop a 80+ person zerg auto attacking doors something is clearly wrong on your end. (2 arrow carts.)

Is that a joke? Because if you put the carts out of range where people can’t aoe them so easily, that lessens the range of the operator on the cart (we know what happens if you put them in range). So if said 80 people fan out and just flash build catas, they can not only destroy the gate/wall and arrows carts, but avoid constant fire too. Edit: But even if they don’t build siege and just continue to auto attack, simply fanning out, strafing, and dodging will defuse any arrow cart damage in the secs it’ll take you to headbang gate open.

And who is afraid of arrow cart fire except for glass cannons when you’re in a group of apparently 80? There’s bound to be a support class or ten floating about.

It was a joke!

(TC doesn’t auto attack doors with 80+ people ever. Maybe 35 but never 80. Oh and we tend to use siege.)

The point still stands. Two arrow carts don’t mean a thing to 35 players.