Guild Wars 2

You can only fight with the people you have.
After the mass exodus of wvw guilds 3 months ago our pug zergs were pretty squishy aswell cause there were a lot of new people.
FR used to be a lot stronger than now, they kicked our kitten in T5 14 weeks ago
Now they probably need to rebuild again, same way us and GH had to do it.

Anyway i’ve had a lot of fun already in this match, some great fights, a good way to test out my new laptop (no more 5fps slideshows, hurray)

Seems like it’s far from certain we will have UW in our tier next week.
The new millenium update places UW and FR at 1.3 difference in rating, in favour of UW atm.

Facing underworld next week should be interesting.
We fought them for 6 weeks in T7, and they seem to be doing very well now.
So i’m wondering if they got a lot stronger or if it’s dzag and RoS that have weakened.
We’ll have to find out

But it isn’t certain yet, there is only a small difference between UW and DL atm in rating.

I was not there though, but looking at the picture, it would appear that we might have had an arrowcart against the gate.
This allows you to aim about 10m inside the inner keep cause you can aim trough the gap above the gate.
You will notice that this happens a lot when that gate at hills is being sieged, but never when a gate without a gap is being sieged.

It’s silly that you can aim an AC trough that hole, but so are a lot of other wvw mechanics

Yea i tried playing an alt.
I was satisfied to reach lvl 24 with my warrior and unlock the vigil armor sets for my mesmer
Been collecting dust for a month now.
All the other’s never got over lvl 8.

Don’t count on any big bleedstacking when you play a mesmer.
The only condition we can spread on a decent level is confusion.
Bleeds would come from winds of chaos, or from illusions trough sharper images.
Unfortunately sharper images is not enhanched by any of your stats apart from condition damage.
Burns would come from winds of chaos or the prestige.
Our only access to poison is chaos storm, and it only applies randomly and the skill is on a long cooldown.

The only place where we can do a lot of bleedstacking these days is under water with the trident+clones with sharper images.

The icon could be made yellow when you join that commander his squad, since squad chat is yellow aswell.

Because people might enjoy 5 min back and forth fights more than a 10 second berserker gank leading you to spend most of your wvw time running back from waypoints.

Could also be millar’s instead of abbadons, their predicted ratings are quite close to eachother.

You shouldn’t look at the mirror reflect as an offensive thing.
I see it as an extra defense.
It may not reflect anything and in that case it does heal less than EF.
But when you really need that heal, chances are people are shooting at you, and reflect now protects you from it for 2 seconds (important, it is now longer than the 1.25 s cast time).
And it having a 15s cooldown makes it really fun if you have an on heal trait or rune/food bonus

Its also pretty fun to use against those pesky pistol thieves

Yea forgot about that one too, havent toutched a GS in a while

Mind stab wasn’t nerfed, it was buffed !
Mind stab is the third skill in our sword auto attack chain, the others are gash and slash
It used to hit just one target, now it hits three, and still removes a boon i suppose and still does a lot of damage.
I like it actually.
I was in the transition of rebuilding my mesmer to some sort of fencer build s/s s/f
Mirror now is even better, i like that skill

The portal nerf i don’t care about really.

Oh, but let’s judge the patch after a few days, until all the sneaky nerfs have been discovered :p

Gab was obviously being sarcastic.
The 60ppl zergs svarty is referring to are very rare, might happen in the short timespan we have a lot of guild events at once, but even then have i not seen a 60ppl zerg.
30-40 as you say is a better estimate.
And we don’t always run with such zergs.

Honestly all i see here is people trying to make themselves look better than they are.
Either trough boasting they held off superior numbers, or trough blaming the loss to a bigger enemy zerg.
Just because you fight against superior numbers it does not automatically make you better players. Our servers are all pretty much on the same level, sometimes we win sometimes we loose, sometimes we do stupid things and have big fails, it’s part of the game.

Besides, don’t complain too much about our numbers, everyone in T4 and above has way more than us and more hardcore wvw guilds, so be glad you have us here instead of Aurora, Riverside or Baruch bay.

It’s difficult to determine what exactly is causing us to have this big lead already after barely 3 days.
If you say we have more people, yes i agree, although sundays always seem quite active on our server as there are multiple guild events going on.
But it also seems both GH and AM are putting out a lot less people than past week.
So even though it may look like we are much stronger if you look just at the points, i really don’t think we are.

2 weeks ago we got stomped by AG, which was kind of the least powerful T4 server at that moment. No doubt they still are much more powerful than us, especially now since they got atleast one big wvw guild that transferred from piken this week.
So we are kind of stuck between T5 and T4 it seems.
Its very possible that after next week we may have enough ratings to get into T4, but i don’t foresee a good outcome there for us :p

dreztina.4820:

Just consumables costs almost 20 silver/hour. I MIGHT break even on that doing wvw, but I certainly won’t make any money. If I spent the time I have in wvw doing pve instead, I’d probably have two legendaries. And yet, a pve’er can come into wvw and have better stats than me. Go figure.

If you are really strapped for cash like every wvw player, buy the second best consumable
those only go for around 1s / piece

Gab Superstar.4059:

They most likely had to introduce some emergency fix.

Probably a reduce in dye drop rate or something similar.

It’s even worse

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-February-21-2013

:D

AM’s bay just got saved by the bell :p

Could you tell us what weapons and skills that mesmer was using?
Maybe that could narrow down the possible builds.

maloki.3527:

Now FSP has a lot of internal struggles on going, hopefully it will only turn out good, and not into something bad. But we’ll see. I believe that no matter what FSP goes through right now we’ll only come out stronger.

Struggles isn’t really the right word, we aren’t struggling at all
Just trying to organise more and have better guild cooperation.

The focus is a weird thing.
Early on you will discard it cause you don’t see the point of a static aoe mesmer that gets one shotted easily. And what good is a pull skill, it does no damage and your damage is already crap.
Later on when you tried out all your other off hands for quite a long time, you might end up with trying the focus again. And never letting it go cause it gives you so much utility in 2 skills.
I always find new tricks in how to use my focus in a certain situation

Think he means the gandara and riverside zergs.
Kinda like the AG zergs we had last week.

You could go annoy them with german on their own forums

https://forum-de.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Abaddon-s-Mouth-v-Far-Shiverpeaks-v-Gunnar-s-Hold

We know we would get smashed in T4.
AG alone already was too much to handle for us, we aren’t delusional
But you are right, there will always be complaining, hell i’m guilty of it myself sometimes.
Some complaints however are utterly ridiculous.

What are we supposed to do? farm in orr untill you can log in people?
This isn’t a walkover match where we are supposed to give quarter to the opposition just so we wouldn’t feel guilty. The points are still close and we are far from dominant over the whole day, so we do what we can during the moments where we are dominant, you do thesame.

During the afternoon hours when all this whining started we also didn’t have huge numbers, just more than you, but not enough to fight both GH and AM equally at thesame time.
While your side was being captured we had a few people fighting skirmishes with the germans west of SM while our trebs were having their way on klovan and WC.
Do you honestly believe we would first go take a tower from AM, then go to your side and cap one of yours, then back to AM to take another tower, and then back to your side for tower nr4, etc.. just so that we wouldn’t hurt anyone’s feeling?

2 weeks ago we had to endure the massive GH nightcapping, it is just part of the game as its 24/7 , well this was also just part of the 24/7.

Yea AM is just our vassal state now.
In return for no more attacks against their cities we annex half their borderland every day

WvW is fun in the way that, every day is different.
It may be thesame old maps with thesame siege and thesame players, but still the outcome will be different.
The reason why it always is different is because there are many many variables that will come into play and change your experience.
Just look at a game like Counterstrike, it was very simple, you had 2 teams and a few weapons, simple maps, you even knew eachothers goal, plant/defuse the bomb. But still many people played(and still do i guess) for more than 10 years. Simply because adding humans into the equation gives it something an AI can never do.

In pve, its basically you vs the RNG, they only wrapped up the RNG with some nice pixels to make it look entertaining

Oh and for us in wvw the reward is the game we play, the loot is just to cover the expenses.
In PvE, the loot is the reward for having to go trough the horrible gameplay :p

Intigo.1653:

Ironvos.9014:

I really don’t see the point of these stat stack sigils in wvw.
The stack is removed when you get downed, which probably happens quite often.
A 5% damage sigil would be much more reliable.
Unless you are willing to kill 25 pve mobs everytime to charge up the sigils.
Or am i missing something here ?

One single zerg bust in WvW (happens all the time) and I’m at 25 stacks for the rest of the evening. And no, if you’re playing properly you don’t get downed that often.

Not everyone offcourse has the luxury of being in a big elite guildzerg, for example the people in all the other zergs you so easily farm.
But i guess it has a use if you are part of such a zerg often or play a class with easy escapes.

A big NO.
Raising the level cap serves no purpose at all.
It would only screw up the lvl scaling once again.
Not to mention all the obsolete items that it will create.

Sylvari , Female, Mesmer.

No it was with ciuffo and cryara.
I finally found out things were ok when i saw a commander tag on the map still move in the lord room

The culling can indeed be very annoying even if it’s not the enemies that have it.
When we sieged your hills last evening, we were storming into the lord room.
At one moment all i saw was, lots of red tags, and on our side only the dead guys :p
I was thinking, what the hell, how could we loose this?
Little did i know all the red tags were your dead guys and we had 20 invisible people dancing in the lordroom

Ok i admit that map does look ugly like a 2v1.
But if you look closely, we only took ogres from you, and our outbreak tower, the rest is camps.
Seems like it’s the germans that have settled for second place already that is your main problem.

I really don’t see the point of these stat stack sigils in wvw.
The stack is removed when you get downed, which probably happens quite often.
A 5% damage sigil would be much more reliable.
Unless you are willing to kill 25 pve mobs everytime to charge up the sigils.
Or am i missing something here ?

I think it’s quite balanced this week.
Even though we may have quite a lot of people during primetime, we loose out in the off peak hours so it evens up.
It’s much more casual than last week, no 30ppl guildzergs running around trampling everyone for lootbags.

Karizee.8076:

Avruk.2953:

Orrian Boxes are also great for transfering karma to other characters.

Orly? How do you do that?

Good point, the karma consumables from the boxes are account bound so you can give em to alts.

I didn’t think it was that difficult actually.
And i’m usually very bad at these sort of things, and back when i did it i ran a lowlvl mesmer without any access to swiftness (what’s a focus? :p).

The halloween puzzle, now that was annoying, cause it was basically on a time limit, so no time to plan ahead, just keep on jumping.
Perma swift classes really had a big advantage there.

I wouldnt call 15-20 ppl a zerg really.
And have you ever tried repairing a gate when theres 30ppl spamming aoe at the other side on top of it? It doesn’t end well for the one repairing.

Where you got the golems from is really not important, even if you get em for free it doesn’t change their value.

You were very careless with your golems, i know you did it just for the fun, but still.
I was manning the cannon above the inner gate and saw all your golems use the shield bubble skill at thesame time, i had free shots 10 seconds later
And a lot of em were wandering around just behind the gate when it went down instead of going into the small tunnel out of sight.

You essentially used up all the golems to bring you into the lordroom fight, where it ended up in a brawl. We didn’t have enough people to defend as our people were spread on the map scouting your golems and had people in every keep cause we didn’t know what keep you were gonna strike.

I do think you wasted more gold on golems than we used on garrison upgrades
And we took everything back just after that so the loss was minimal for us that night.

I tried, i got bored and went back to my mesmer

I miss the subtlety of the GW1 mesmer.
As a mesmer in the party, people who don’t know the mesmer would often say, “hey why didn’t you do anything?”, or even get kicked from parties cause you aren’t contributing dps (atleast early in the games existence).
This kinda gave you the feeling, “i pity those ignorant fools”

I also miss the surrealistic avant garde feeling they had. The mesmer seemed to be somewhat the oddball out, out of sequence with the rest of the world. Now they blend in too much.

They are all viable, it all depends on how you want to play your mesmer.

I really like my hybrid mesmer, i also run staff/s+focus.
It’s not as awesome as a glass cannon burst mesmer in taking out people in duels or small gang fights, but it gets the job done.
I got a whole lot of different gears slapped together, adding up to about 1800power, 1700 prec, 1400T, 1600 vit, 500 cond.
Choosing different sigils, runes and foods gives you even more variaty to play with.

I find that it makes my mesmer very versatile, you won’t drop dead in seconds in bigger zerg fights like a glass cannon, you can hold your own in a duel, and you shine extremely well in small gang fights.
It is still a work in progress though, collecting laurels for ascended stuff and gathering gold for better sigils and runes atm

The best thing is to try a setup, look for synergies between everything you have and tinker with it to improve your build. You may die many times but you will learn and become better.

i’m at about 4/h. 4000kills/1000h.
since i’m a mesmer i dont just collect lootbags like all them aoe classes.
and i prefer to stay away from the zergs cause they are pretty boring.
usually i’m scouting or guarding/siegeing up towers and keeps.

yesterday would be Thursday
and i don’t know for sure who was the commander, not been in EB all that much yesterday.

There have been good things and bad things this week.
But all in all i had fun most of the times.
AG is just a tier too big for us at the moment, we currently can not match the amount of wvw guilds you can put into the fight daily. It did however show us where we need improvement the most so it has been a good test.
Maybe we will meet again in a few weeks

Maybe it’s a google translate.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Your arguments don’t make a whole lot of sense. I’m going to go through them bit by bit and explain why.

Very well i shall do the same with your arguments if i may.

Centaur Runes: With centaur runes, the only important thing is the 6 set bonus. The 20% swiftness duration increase synergizes great with the 6 bonus. The bleed duration makes no sense, and is also inconsequential. The power is unimportant as well. No one uses centaur runes for any reason other than to obtain permanent swiftness. Also, the runes are used BECAUSE swiftness is such an utterly important boon to have reliable access to in wvw. Since mesmers have almost no access to reliable swiftness, runes like the centaur are the only other choice we have, as bad of as choice as it may be.

So you justify the use of 6 rune slots just for the use of its 6th bonus (and the 4th to boost it)?
I find that a bit of a waste.
Fact is here you also say the bleed bonus has no use together with the power bonus. So that would nullify your statement that the cond bonus on lyssa does not synergize with prec as a reason not to use it.

You compare the swiftness from centaur runes to using a focus + blink. Using a focus is fine, but you get under 50% uptime on swiftness with an untraited focus. Additionally, you won’t be using the focus in a fight, where swiftness is still a very important boon to have. Using blink to get around is a horrible idea. Yes, it moves you 900 units instantly, but it is also an extremely important utility stun breaking skill on a reasonably long cooldown, and burning it just to move around quicker is a massive waste and liability in any build that could need blink for its normal purpose.

Yes i do compare it since it are both two means of trying to move around quickly.
You wont be as fast as a centaur mesmer, but still fast enough. When you’re in a zerg people spread swiftness allover the place, and if you do fall behind you can use blink, i never have any trouble keeping up. If you are alone the speed difference between centaur/focus+blink doesn’t matter much. When in a small group you are still fast enough, sure you cant catch up to ele’s or thiefs if they go in fast travel mode, but neither can most of the other classes, swiftness won’t help you there.
And yes, you do loose some mobility if your focus and blink is untraited, but there are people who have it traited anyway.
If loosing an important stunbreaker cause blink is on cooldown is such an issue, you can still slot decoy and/or mirror images. Most likely they already have one of those skills in their normal setup anyway.
And on not using focus in a fight? Maybe you don’t but there are many people that do, you get a swiftness/cripple/pull/reflect(traited)/combo field skill + an aoe/projectile blocking/reflecting(if traited)/whirl finisher phantasm , all in one offhand weapon.

Overall, runes of undead are designed and used in specific builds. That is a non-issue.

So runes of lyssa can’t be used in specific builds?
Many builds make use of precision and have a use for +cond duration, many builds use a focus in battle and have enough stunbreakers to justify the use of blink for traveling.
I use Lyssa for the complete package it gives, there are no all powerfull stats in it, but everything together does add up to something nice.
You shouldn’t look at the runes as a stand alone something, they meld into your build and other gear. The stats on the rune do not need to synergize with the other stats on it, they need to synergize with your build.

Runes of the centaur have a 6 set bonus that is of such importance that it outweighs any other disadvantages that the runes themselves contain.

Runes of lyssa have a 6 set bonus that is entirely underwhelming even in the best of circumstances, and almost completely unnoticable in the worst. On top of that, the rest of the runes don’t contain buffs or unique abilities that justify taking that weak 6 set bonus, causing the set as a whole to be generally worthless for a mesmer.

As i said before, i find it a waste to just focus on the 6th bonus, the whole rune needs to fit your build, otherwise you are missing out on a lot of benefits. And i find the benefit of perma swiftness isn’t enough cause i can get around without it. Yes the lyssa 6th is gimmicky, but useful for me none the less, and i wouldn’t be using lyssa if i had no use for precision at all.

With all this i don’t mean to say that one rune is better than the other, they all depend on your build, and we don’t really know what build the OP has. The three runes mentioned in the first post all have 3 different main stats on it (lyssa= prec, centaur = power, undead = cond+toughness).

Pyroatheist.9031:

Ironvos.9014:

Pyroatheist.9031:

It’s a gimmicky manouver on a 90 second cooldown, and leaves you with a set of otherwise useless runes. Additionally, the boons only last 5 seconds. That’s barely enough time to get through the portal and make one attack.

Why exactly would the runes be useless?
They have the same sort of stats any other rune has. I wouldn’t call 165 prec, +10 cond duration, 10s boon on heal and get all boons for 5s and loose all conditions, useless stats. Unless you run a build that has no need for prec at all, and does not use any conditions at all.

+10 condition duration goes poorly with the precision. The 10s boon on heal is a useless addition. Its basically the signet of inspiration passive, but worse. The 6 set bonus is complete crap, because the boons only last 5 seconds, and even if you take mass invisibility, its still on a 90 second cooldown. Any other rune set that wasn’t based around a gimmicky 6-set bonus will perform better than lyssa runes.

Let’s look at runes of centaur then.
165 power, +15% bleed duration, +20% swiftness duration, swiftness on heal.
Bleed duration goes poorly with power aswell.
The swiftness is only useful out of combat, it will make you maybe escape from combat that one time more, but won’t help you at all in battle.
And the power bonus is thesame as lyssa’s prec bonus, useless if you don’t use a powerbuild for example.
Now you may wonder, why would anyone not use any power? Well i would also wonder why would anyone not use any precision, it triggers a lot of weapon sigils, triggers vigor trait, makes sharper images useful and increases your damage by a whole lot.

Runes of undead is even more situational, it’s useless if you don’t use any condition+toughness build.

I’m not saying runes of lyssa are everyone’s answers to their problem, but they can be useful for a lot of people, just as runes of undead can be useful for others.
I actually find the all praised rune of the centaur pretty underwhelming.
You can move around almost as fast with focus #4 and blink, you just need to switch a weapon and skill for it if you don’t use them normally.
But atleast you can switch them between battles, unlike the runes.

Pyroatheist.9031:

It’s a gimmicky manouver on a 90 second cooldown, and leaves you with a set of otherwise useless runes. Additionally, the boons only last 5 seconds. That’s barely enough time to get through the portal and make one attack.

Why exactly would the runes be useless?
They have the same sort of stats any other rune has. I wouldn’t call 165 prec, +10 cond duration, 10s boon on heal and get all boons for 5s and loose all conditions, useless stats. Unless you run a build that has no need for prec at all, and does not use any conditions at all.

I use that combination, usually as a gtfo mechanism for me and a few stragglers that try to run away from the enemy zerg. The invis in itself is already a defense, but added with aegis, swiftness, stability, protection, regen, it gets really even better.
I’ve saved many people from a gruesome death that way

The original thread about this is here
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Upcoming-WvW-Updates/first

Maybe they should sticky that post, its on page 10 now cause its locked and doesn’t get bumped anymore.