Guild Wars 2

What I really want is a DPS-meter. Cause sometimes I wonder how much damage other people do in dungeons.

Because sometimes bosses\champions chase me exclusively. And since I’m always standing far with my ‘nades and don’t have that much armor (compared to warriors\guardians) it may mean that I’m doing the most damage (?). Granted, this happens only in bad parties that kill bosses very slowly overall. But it may mean that a top-performance grenade engi can have more damage than a slacking warrior.

Signets are bad. 5-signet dudes are the worst kind of players.

I’m really glad we don’t have this stuff.

Trash mobs are trash mobs. It doesn’t even matter what are you doing with them. They just die. Only dps is needed for them.

Ettin? You’re kidding me? I can kite him with my eyes closed, while throwing grenades on the shaman. Or better still just use thief to drop his aggro. This is really an example of how not needed all this engi supportish stuff is.

No one needs a dedicated healer. Have you ever seen someone looking for a healer? It’s redundant. It has very little returns compared to the risk involved in trying to stand in the SE field. Again – trash mobs are irrelevant. If you waste time healing someone on them you’re wasting the time of the whole party.

Full cleric engi is like “yay we now have 20% less dps (30%+ considering the ’nades vuln stacking)”. But feel free to continue knocking back bosses and keeping them perma-CCed while your paty sits inside the se field and heals all the agony.

I just don’t like the whole engi profession being looked down at because of useless builds people are using and stubbornly insisting that they are doing “ligitimate damage”.

Oxstar.7643:

Have tried it in cof P2. Worked.

How?
You need to have 4 party members standing all around the chamber to kill acolytes. So at max you could’ve gotten 2 people in se. We’re talking about support, not self-healing, right?

Oxstar.7643:

Have tried it vs Lupicus. Worked, although not in phase 2 where you can’t stand still.

Well, duh. Phase 1 is faceroll without any dificulties. Phase 2 is what this boss is all about.

Oxstar.7643:

Tried it vs the fire shaman. Worked, assuming you don’t place it right before a fire rain.

Do you have some kind of boss-cd addon? How do you know if it is “right before”. And he uses his fire rain or PBAOE more often then once per 10 seconds.
I dunno, maybe if you drop se, make it heal 500 health on 2 people and call it “support” then it works. But why take useless no-damage support engi for this if dps guardian can do this on whole party with every other crit.

Oxstar.7643:

Tried it in cliffside, and ironically what got us was not the wells at all, rather those aoe flashes that you really get no time to avoid.

Yeah, that’s why you need to be spread out. Not clamped together. Trying your team to stand in one spot is just an unnecessary risk with very little returns.

Oxstar.7643:

Tried it vs Colossus and Howler, put them BEHIND the dang thing.

So that means that at least one player is facetanking the boss AND taking damage, while whole team stands behind and out of harms way to get healed? Can you see the flawed logic?

You can continue to dream about outstanding engi support. But it’s just not designed to work with GW2 dungeons.

We have boons?

The only reliable boon we have is might. And maybe regen. All others are rng.

Stability? Protection? Retaliation? Yeah… maybe if you keep your pet guardian close.

Most likely it would be:
- Steelpacked Powder now has a 20 sec CD.

So let’s see.

You don’t have power or crit dmg. Only precision, tankiness and healing. FT already does kitten damage so your crits will be less than basic atacks from more dps-oriented people.

So what’s the point? I mean yeah – you’re hard to kill, but what next? You need something to kill enemies, especially in PvE, not just last forever. Agony will make short work of you anyways.

About Super Elixir:

Try it in AC exp and watch whole party die to aoe because they’re forced to stay in one place in front of Kholer\Howler\Colossus.

Try it in cof p2 where whole party needs to be separated for the last boss.

Try it in arah to see how Lupicus kills whole party with one skill.

Try it in fire shaman fractal and get a fire rain on top of you all.

Try it in cliffside fractal and die from agony cause you can’t evade the wells.

I think you get my meaning.

Was in party today with ele and guardian.

Ele was constantly granting about 10 stacks of aoe might, while raining fire.

Guardian was aoe-healing for like 300 every other second and was cutting mobs very fast with his GS.

Now that’s a support. Not some puny 3 stacks of might or stationary healing without damage.

Yeah. My point exactly.

Ask one of guys posting this:

Numot.3965:

Is engineer damage at an acceptable level? Yes it is

all around the forums.

Well even a short monthly report about general progress and direction of profession would be great.

Transparency=good, obscure=bad.

Well, I dunno.

I’m completing 2 or 3 dungeons per day. And I earn at least one gold per dungeon, without MF gear or omnom bars.
I’m also getting quite a number of cores, ectos, skillpoints and sometimes lodestones.

If I’d have MF set, did more dungeons and also did dragon events for a chance of precursor I’d be getting a lot more stuff.

Frankly, I don’t know where to spend my gold, it just piles up.

Getting a legendary is a problem for WvW or spvp player – that’s true and I think Anet should work on it.

But in pve you kinda progress towards legendary naturally.

Please describe this mythical “support” in a real-game situation.

I’m really tired of people tossing around vague phrases like “versatility”, “support”, “control” without any facts behind them.

Broken Angel.4956:

Sadly, ANet thinks player’s time > Skill

Please define skill in GW2.

It’s not like I’m loving the current situation. But what is alternative?

Collect 100500 tokens from every dungeon?
RNG drop from fractals lvl 99?
A prize for winning 1337 paid tournaments?

Conncept.7638:

People have done the math, farming the mats would take casual players over a year to obtain if we pinch every copper piece, that’s obscene.

What if I tell you that legendary is not for casual players.

One year is a nice term. No rush. No mindless grinding. Why not?

The only people who should complain about that are those who want to complete whole game in one month then move to another MMO.

Most high-end people in my guild already have legendary (some even sold their ones on TP) or are on the last stages of getting one. Just from farming cs\dungeons\ fractals.

If you’re wasting a huge amount of time and getting no result – it means you’re doing something wrong.

No one drives you to buy gold. Get real.

You can farm for legendary components.
You can farm gold to buy it from TP.

Anyways it should take you a lot of time to reach legendary.

The only reason to buy gold is if you want it NAO!!1.

And since legendary is just a skin, you are in no way at a disatvantage for not having one.

Farm cs\dungeons\fractals? Kinda strange question.

There’s some slow time at start. But when you get to like lvl 30 you start to get experience really fast. I started Blootide coast at level ~47 and by the time I’ve completed Sparkfly Fen I was already around 75, skipping lvl 65+ zones completely and going straight to Orr where leveling is even faster.

You just need to get through first few slow levels. Crafting, story and exploring can really hep with it.

PS And you don’t really need much gold for crafting. I leveled crafting while leveling my very first character and still had enough gold to buy trait books and gear from TP.

Are we talking about GW2? A game where warriors and guardians are the best PvE professions and who are wanted in every party?

Really?

Yeah, I don’t want to see anything spectacular, like soloing Lupicus or something.

Just some general overview of our profession from the devs eyes. With real examples of how it is executed in game.

Something similar to champion spotlights in LoL.

Numot.3965:

In pve this means they deal fine with trash, but can fall behind against some bosses.

Nope. Not fine.

Where some classes need to press two buttons and wait while the skill channels, engi has to spam sveral times 3 to 4 skills, kite and dodge.

I don’t think anyone will start flaming devs if they come here.

But they really need to clear some confusion from engi players.

Is it:
a) That engi is permament sidekick and will remain so forever and we are free to roll another class?
b) That ANET was wrong with profession design and will have some major work done on engineer?
c) That we don’t understand a thing and there’s some secret way to be an OP engi noone knows about (except devs)?

Only developers can answer that and we’d like to hear some answers.

^^^ Hire this man, anet! ^^^

Well, either they don’t actually play engineer or are thinking “it’s fine”. Anyways, no response.

That’s what people are saying throughout the forums.

All we can do is piece together some working things. That’s “broken” in my book.

And we want to be a wholesome profession.

The point is not about being “biased against”.

It’s about the feel of profession.

When you play other classes you can feel the idea. The fluid rotation of skills. The synergy of utilities. You can see the concept behind traits.

With engineers I sometime feel it’s a random mash up of barely working things. And we actually need to struggle against our class designs to put up something usefull.

Saying that eni’s fine is really, really stubborn or simply trolling.

Every profession was designed to put same amounts of dps. That was the whole point about removing trinity\healbots\tanks.

Stop this kitten already.

And fighting bosses in 300 range means getting hit by aoe – not viable with our medium armor.
And CC dosn’t really work on bosses.
You don’t need to “close gap” with them. You need to avoid their atacks while doing consistent damage.

Since our profession designers have some views on how engi should be doing in game, I’d like to ask developers to show us how they play on their engineers.

Please, show us a video of current engi usage in some dungeons. Preferrably Arah, grawl fractal 20+, coe, etc. Highlighting our outstanding versatility and support options.

Surely, class designers do play their own class. Can’t doubt that.

I think it’s not just me, who wants to see how developers actually play this class.

Because, clearly, we simple players don’t really understand how to make best use of engi in pve.

Anyone who feels the same is welcome to support this thread.

I saw someone else metioning that toolbelt skills now have weapon scaling. So perhaps you’re right.

Well, as long devs never come to this corner of forums, all ideas and suggestions are kinda meaningless.

And reworking a whole profession would just mean admiting, that they were very wrong with our development. Which also has a very small chance of happening.

What’s the problem with adding an F5 button for another kit? It’s not like someone’s limiting it.

I like this idea, actually.

People constantly say, that changing kits is the whole point of our profession. Yet one can avoid kits completely. Sounds bad to me.

Your way is much more suited to GW2 reality and gameplay, than the kits\tollbelt we have now.

I had a fear of such things happening. Especially when I was running fractals with 4 people from the server we were against in WvW. Lol.

Never thought it would actually happen.

Sorry for your time. I hope no one will experience this again.

But by making it public, you actually gave some people a new idea to grief and troll. >_>

I sometimes play with a party, that is centered around on ewarrior. And whole party is built to buff the damage of that warrior to the max.

No trinity here. Just the holy Warrior and his lowliest servants.

Well, I’ve played my share of asian MMOs with free PvP systems.

And evrytime it all comes to this:
1) Two huge guilds fight zergwars with eachother over one spot over and over. (it would be Cursed Shore in GW2, I suppose)

2) A number of smaller guilds, who will have several squads of people scatteres around popular levelling areas to hunt any lonely noob. Spamming “lol, pwned, we’re da best pvp guilde here!1”

3) A lot of lonely noobs diyng from aforementioned gank-squads, not having any fun, growing bitter, forced to join some guild and hunt another noobs with spite.

There are really few people who actually geniunely enjoy such a system. Not gonna happen.

Shaman is actually easy. Tha hardest part is those elementals that spawn when his shield is up.
They drop most people really fast.

Once they are dead, the shaman itself is easy.

OP – you are too true.

My thoughts about Engi exactly.

I want to use some interestingly-looking gadgets and chain-swords and robotic arms and hidden lasers and stuff.

If someone played bounty hunter in SWTOR – that’s how engineer should feel like. A deadly gadget in every pocket.

Not this “knockdown yourself cause you’re a technical genius, hurrrr” kitten.

Please give an example of dungeon where use of elixir bombs or stationary super elixir field is viable.

AC and CoF are speed-run dungeons. They prefer all out dps to faceroll everything.

Arah and higher level fractals actually demand players to constantly kite and to stay spread out all the time. Stop and group up – and you’ll recieve a bouncing aoe to the face that will wipe everyone (maybe except guardians, but why would you need a support engi if you have a guardian anyways).

The damage on blind\poison grenades are still crap and not worth using. Don’t be fooled.

I kinda wish we’d have another way of massive vuln stacking.

But really, being proud of your class is one thing. Blindly denying that it has problems – is another. Try to see the difference.

Go and tank Lupicus with your “healing bombs”, also say all your team to gather in one spot, so you’ll heal them all while boss is teleporting on top of you.

The amount of people who never been in a real GW2 dungeon is too kitten high.

Istarien.3147:

I think the point is to demonstrate that you can do good support as an engineer, maybe not BETTER than a guardian, but good enough to be useful.

I don’t want to be better. I want to be equal.
In a system where classes don’t have pre-defined roles, they should be equal. Or some professions will be just shoved to the back and forgotten.
There’s nothing good about our current situation and arguing with that is kinda naive. (unless you’re some kind of MMO-hipster that only plays “non-mainsteam” classes)

Lifelike.5862:

It’s not faulty logic, it’s fact.

Oh, I know that’s a fact. I’m playing GW2 too.

The thing is, I don’t think this is a good thing. Nor will I ever accept this.

And I’ll never understand people like you who think there’s nothing wrong with a system where some professions are better than others.

If we had a trinity-like balance, where every party would need a tanky class and a support one, your points might’ve been correct. But in GW2 supports are not needed. In fact taking a support means having less DPS, in exchange for some shady amount of healing which is not needed by any decent dodger/kiter anyways.

The ideal balance of professions in GW2 is when every one can do similar things in equal measure, be it DPSing or supporting or what-not. And the only difference would be playstyle, not predetermined disparity in numbers.

Lifelike.5862:

That’s like saying Warrior is better DPS than a thief, so why bother playing a thief?

It really depends on what you want to do.

Thief has a very distinct role in PvP with his stealth and mobility.

But honestly, how many thieves have you seen in dungeons? If you want to DPS you go warrior. That’s how GW2 works currently.

Lifelike.5862:

No two classes can ever be equally good at doing one thing.

That’s a really faulty logic.

GW2 was advertised as a game withou trinity, where every class can do everything as good as any other. It’s clearly not the case.

And anyways. Engineers don’t have any “thing” where they are THE best class. There is always some other profession that can make same things much easier\better.

If that’s not an issue with our clas, I don’t know what is.

Oh, and guardians can do several things simultaneosly – dpsing, healing, tanking, buffing. While engi has to gimp all his other activities to achieve something similar in one aspect.

I had no problems with ele’s Drake’s Breath. I could run in circles around mobs and still get hits.
With FT it’s like you make one step and it is MISSMISSMISSMISSMISS

Well, I wouldn’t roll an engi if I knew what I know now.

On the other hand I won’t delete my current lvl 80 engi. I’m kinda fine with it for now. And I surely hope that the profession will be fixed\reworked eventually.

I’d say – don’t roll and engineer if you want to serious dungeon\higher level fractals runs. Really there are better classes for that atm and they require a lot less stupid button-mashing.

If you want to do PvP, just want to have a lvl 80 engi alt or want to be carried by other party-members while you pretend to be a “healer” – then sure, go for engi.

So… you’re saying that guardian is a better support, than engi, but still tell us to go support on engi?

Where is the logic?

Sometimes I really want a DPS-meter in GW2. >_>

Anymras.5729:

awkward in application

This pretty much describes engi class as a whole.

1. Don’t compete with warriors. They’re broken atm.
2. You throw 3 grenades – that’s 3k+ per hit. Not that bad.
3. Grenades stack vulnerability, which increases overall party DPS by large amount.

Grenades are still our best dps in pve.

It’s the worst event from Wintersday.

Not only it is too long, it is very boring.

Waves of mobs rushing towards dolyaks and you just stay there and make a shot every 3 seconds. Nice.

They should’ve either let us use our own skills or create a whole set of abilities for every weapon – with utilities and elites. Not this hastily assembled copy&paste stuff.

Really dissapointed. Don’t care ’bout achievement.