Guild Wars 2

First off, let me start off by saying that I still don’t understand your analogy to France lol.

Second, yeah, PvP is a disaster. Let’s be realistic about this. It’s not getting better folks! In order for PvP to be stable, competitive and flourish it needs substantial amounts of resources, (time, money, devs) which is just not going to happen. Unless there are company changes and a restructuring of people, PvP is NOT getting better.

I’ve already quit. My rating should be about 0 now lol. I’m not playing another PvP season ever again. This is the FIFTH attempt at trying to create a stable PvP experience and it’s failed again. Sorry, I’m through giving chances.

How about separating these queues once and for all? Solo(1-man) and Team (5-man)only

The reason solo and team queuers are at each others’ throats is that they’re not separated. They’re always forced to play with each other.

Yeah, we’ll get longer queues. So what? It’s what PvP needs. Take the medicine.

Oh no. In the long run, you’ll get better teams and more wins if you duo, especially if your friend is skilled. When you duo, you override the matchmaking system when you queue with a friend.

Rambitshouse.8712:

This is why their esports dream will never happen. They just don’t know how to balance their game. What honestly makes them think they are set for the big stage?

If you just throw money at it…maybe it will happen!! (sarcasm)

XGhoul.7426:

JTGuevara.9018:

When are people going to realize e-sports is a waste of money? ANet needs to actually build a workable PvP system, not just throw money at it. ANet can’t take shortcuts. Pro-leagues have failed. A game doesn’t become a sport because of money, it’s because people enjoy to play and watch it. It infuriates me to see pro-leaguers complaining. PvP is literally made for them, forget the new and average player. They’re literally catered to by ANet. Where the hell are the priorities?

Right now PvP needs:
- Separate Solo Queue(1-man) and Team Queue(5-man)
- Profession Balance
- TUTORIAL
- Fix Hotjoin
- Fair matchmaking system

These are the BASICS.

If I had a choice between fixing PvP and killing the PvP “scene”, I would choose the second.

You’re way far off on what was needed to make this game “esport”. Anyone who has been here since launch can tell you two glaring issues off the bat:

1. The game is still aids to watch as an outside spectator to see (particle effects are one of the biggest offenders).

2. Proper balance: but what I mean by it isn’t so idealistic, HoT powercreep broke the entire gamemode they were trying to build and it took almost 1.5 years for them to barely normalize this (and it still isn’t good enough). With another expansion meant to cash in their dying revenue and another set of problems for pvp, you can clearly see why people ran for the hills (unless they are getting paid) a while ago.

Once devs communicate back on why x-change was buffed or nerfed and actually get community balance (not 2 months apart to fix) rather than being stuck on their notions of what “balance” is then you can start to tackle the issues you brought up.

Oh I completely agree with you. PvP is atrocious to watch and you do need proper balance for any competitive game.

Sykper.6583:

JTGuevara.9018:

If gw2 PvP wants to attract and keep new players or just have any kind of relevance, they need to get down and dirty. There can be no shortcuts.

You say this, but then almost flawlessly use:

JTGuevara.9018:

Lack of population is not a good enough reason not to fix problems.

As a point. You do understand that as less players play a game-mode like SPvP, the queue times get longer, players get frustrated and have less fun, thus leave and circle ensues.

I can’t understand why you think we should decimate SPvP in it’s already low population attempting to support SoloQ which can never be fairly balanced on a leaderboard scale, and Team Queue which requires players on an individual level to group up with other individuals in Unranked or Quickplay rather than taking incremental steps with Duo Queue as a first step.

Solo queue had balanced matches. That alone is reason enough.

PvP’s already decimated. Solo/Duo is already unfairly balanced on a leaderboard scale. All this incremental business will make players lose their patience. This is the FIFTH season now. Solo/Duo is just the same old MIXED QUEUES, which inherently perpetuate unbalanced and unfair matches.

THIS is why duo should not exist. It should have been solo only.

I mean, what did people think was going to happen? This is a blatant disadvantage.

As long as you have mixed queues of teams and solo queuers, matchmaking problems will always exist.

Prepare for the decimation….

To this, OP. I say NO.

Duo should NOT be kept. Here’s why. Any mixed queues of 2-5 man teams and solo queuers will always give solo queuers a disadvantage. Always. Mixed queues distort the matchmaking system and create unbalanced games. This has been happening since leagues began.

We need a separate team queue(5-man) and solo queue(1-man), population be kitten ed. Lack of population is not a good enough reason not to fix problems. We have a lack of population NOW. I don’t know why players keep using this excuse.

If gw2 PvP wants to attract and keep new players or just have any kind of relevance, they need to get down and dirty. There can be no shortcuts.

Haha this is too funny!

Look folks. MMR hell exists, that’s a fact.

I swear, pro-leaguers have to stop being put on a pedestal by this community.

When are people going to realize e-sports is a waste of money? ANet needs to actually build a workable PvP system, not just throw money at it. ANet can’t take shortcuts. Pro-leagues have failed. A game doesn’t become a sport because of money, it’s because people enjoy to play and watch it. It infuriates me to see pro-leaguers complaining. PvP is literally made for them, forget the new and average player. They’re literally catered to by ANet. Where the hell are the priorities?

Right now PvP needs:
- Separate Solo Queue(1-man) and Team Queue(5-man)
- Profession Balance
- TUTORIAL
- Fix Hotjoin
- Fair matchmaking system

These are the BASICS.

If I had a choice between fixing PvP and killing the PvP “scene”, I would choose the second.

Justine.6351:

Everything is too strong.

Need invulnerabilities/ block shields/ evade spam/ heal spam/ dmg mitigation stacking to survive attacks that deal 50-100 health pool in dmg in a single blow or dot tics that melt someone’s face off in 3sec. And you need those 50-100% of health pool dmg skills and 3sec face melting dots to kill anything stacking invulnerability/ block shields/ evade spam/ heal spam/ %dmg mitigation defenses.

I’m surprised the game’s pvp hasn’t imploded yet. Or maybe it did and we are the last survivors.

Precisely. I’ve heard complaints against all profs. DH is merely the strongest of the strong, combined with the fact that conquest design favors DH. At times, you pretty much have no choice but to contest a point and engage the traps.

ELITES are the problem. They’re too strong. I don’t know if they need to be redesigned for PvP or just constantly tweaked. Something has to change, though.

As long as you have mixed queues with teams of 2-5, mismatches will always exist. This has existed since solo and team queue were separated and leagues began.s Mixed queues always screws over solo queuers.

ANet NEEDS to separate queues again—no duos, no trio, no 4-man. 1-man and 5-man ONLY.

This is a textbook example of why we should have separate queues. Mixed queues of partial teams distort matchmaking and disproportionately screw solo queuers.

Nerifes.4931:

They should make ranked for a group of 3.

It would be more balanced.

Able to work a point and have a competent rotater

No! If you want to have balanced matches, you need a full team queue of 5. If you have duo, trios, premades of any kind, matchmaking will always, ALWAYS be unbalanced.

I think ANet should avoid another expansion, at least until farther down the road. It just costs a lot of money and creates a lot of expectations that may or may not pay off. It’s a gamble. ANet gambled on HoT and didn’t really pay off.

HoT was ok, I liked it, but it BROKE PvP and WvW. Post-HoT, there is still a lot that needs to be fixed in this game.

I truly think these steady content releases are just what the game needs. It’s a more secure way of releasing stuff.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

my only beef with season 5 is its horrible Match making. i shouldnt get massive win streak then massive lose streak if im in the division im suppose to be. people keep saying give it time wtf 1 more month and season over what else need to be seen at this point? they have 4 years! anet cant even split the duoQ equally between 2 teams. the massive rating gaps between players. my alt at freaking gold t2 playing against legendary 2000+ rating wtf anet smoking. since 1 pvp dev left already maybe they should all fired or let the rest of pvp dev leave anet. i have to problem playing against other class for if you really like pvp you will know the ups and downs of each class, how u react and fight them. lots of players are blinded for asking nerf for diff. class instead of asking for better MM hence better pvp experience. also DuoQ next season got to go. i cant even imagine how even horrible pvp with losing rating with ESL 5 man premade running around. its only half bad when every ESL players duoQ atm.

FINALLY, somebody with some sense around here.

As long as you have mixed queues with premades (duo, 3-man, etc), matchmaking problems will always exist. MMR hell will always exist.

You need SEPARATE queues of full solo and 5-man only. You didn’t have all these unbalanced matches back then like you have today when you had those in place.

No, OP. Don’t even bother with this nonsense.

Without a full team queue and full solo queue, matchmaking will always suffer. As long as you have duos and premades of any kind, you can manipulate the matchmaking system to get to the top. Nothing substantial has changed since seasons 1-4.

Don’t listen to the forum spin. PvP is sinking.

Exedore.6320:

JTGuevara.9018:

Of course MMR hell exists! Nothing has changed!

I see your lack of skill in game is matched by your lack of knowledge outside of it.

S1-S4 you were matched within your pip range. You also had safeguards so you couldn’t fall below certain pip amounts. This caused people to pool at these pip thresholds. “MMR hell” happened to a few people who couldn’t escape this pool and had their rating dragged down, making it harder to escape (I explained it in more detail earlier in this thread).

In the S5 system, there’s no safeguard against going down in rating. Consequently, there’s no forced pooling of players by the system. The matchmaker also isn’t artificially restricted by pip range so you’ll have matches with people near your rating most of the time.

Wow a jab at my skill AND my intelligence. Looks like I get a two-fer today.

The matchmaker may not be artificially restricted by pip range, but it is most certainly artificially restricted by premades(duos). As I said, premades artificially distort the matchmaker when people form parties. In a sense, it’s taking the matchmaking system in your own hands. You’re directly manipulating it. It’s “tricking” the system into thinking your team should be matched better than they should be.

Only FULL solo queue and FULL team queue can work with the matchmaker. No duos, 3-man or 4-man. This way, matchmaking will not be compromised.

Absolutely NOT.

WvW is that way.

Exedore.6320:

GreenNekoHaunt.8527:

Exedore.6320:

“MMR hell” is an invention of players, so it won’t be in any real analysis. MMR hell is from matchmaking (not rating) and only exists because of limitations in the matchmaking pool.

So the actual problem is the low amount of PvP players queuing at the same time and the match making system / rating system implemented wasn’t designed for a) group play b) this low amount of people?

No. MMR Hell happened in S2 and S3 because of hard divisions in combination with pip restrictions which caused extremely low matching pools.

In S2 and S3 (and S1 and S4 to a lesser extent), you could only be matched with people in a similar pip count. Within that pip count, it would try and find similarly rated people. You progressed pip count by wins and regressed with losses, but you couldn’t regress back over some boundaries. This caused players to pool just over the boundaries – the biggest pool being the bottom of ruby and bottom of diamond being second biggest. The weaker players were the ones getting stuck. But if you were a stronger player and hit some bad luck, your rating would drop and you would constantly be matched with this ever-growing pool of weaker players. Since progression was based on winning significantly more than losing, it became very hard to climb out of this pool.

S5 doesn’t have any of these hard boundaries, so MMR hell doesn’t exist.

Moral of the story: Progression-based rating systems (move up with wins, down with losses) don’t work for competitive PvP.

Of course MMR hell exists! Nothing has changed! The only difference between seasons 1-4 is that you had duos, 3-man and 4-man premades. In season 5, you just have duos. Premades distort the matchmaking system, creating unbalanced games and therefore, MMR hell.

The problem is that there is no 5-man or FULL solo! With 5-man team queue and true solo queue, the matchmaking works like it’s supposed to. No more premades of any kind. Period.

Shaogin.2679:

I fully support ranked pvp being Solo Queue and Team Queue. However, Team Queue should be 5v5 only. There is no reason to throw in 2 and 3 man groups into the mix. Also, giving Team Queue better rewards than Solo Queue could help to provide incentive to play it and help keep queue times low. After all, Team Queue requires players to be good enough to be wanted on a team, put in the effort to form and coordinate with a team, and is more of a challenge since you are fighting against organized teams and not random players that were thrown together.

Yes. There’s really not much of reason to have 2-man and 3-man teams, just have 5-man. More importantly, having 2 and 3 man teams directly harm solo queuers by mixing the queues and ruin the matchmaking system.

hackks.3687:

I’d like to see Team Tournaments again. Like it was at release. 8 Teams 3 Rounds.

They should make it Round Robin format though. Each team plays 3 times on 3 maps. Winner has best record, and so on.

Also, I think this season is a great step in the right direction. Let’s build from here rather than back to square 1 again.

I’d definitely like tournaments! To do this day, I don’t why they were taken away.

MissCee.1295:

The standard argument against team queue is that the queue times will be too long. Isn’t it up to the folks queuing to decide whether or not it is too long? Currently there is no team queue, so how would we know how long/short the queue times are.

FWIW I believe solo q should be exactly that, solo only. Team q (better named group q) should be for 2,3 or 5 man groups. Please note that I did not include 4 man for group queue, as a 4 man party would require a solo to make up numbers and this is not fair.

Solo q should at the very least attempt to offer some measure of solo skill rather than based on team w/l.

My 2C

Yes exactly!

What I remember from the old solo queue is the matchmaking. For the most part, the scores were competitive. (500-400) (500-350) There wasn’t this discrepancy and distortion like there is today. Losses like (500-150) (500-200) (60-500) are more common. I’ve realized, the source of all this matchmaking distortion comes from mixed queues. When solo queue is mixed with duo, 3-man or 5-man queue you get unbalanced matches.

And yes, you’re right, the argument against team queue just doesn’t hold anymore. I don’t think it will be that big a problem. I say this because there are more players now than then. Bring it back, this is a team game. Let’s treat it as such.

Gwaihir.1745:

Theres not enough players to support 5 man and solo ques even though its the best option.

What should happen is soloque remains without duo queing, and tourneys are added for full 5 man teams throughout the day. Say every third hour would encourage people to form a 5 man team and play together for greater bonuses on a win and they can continue as a team to vs the next matches winner.

I like this idea!

First, OP, I agree with you that we need to have only solo queue, that is, 1-man. We also need to have full 5-man team queue. However, it is impossible to have a competitive PvP system without good matchmaking. I strongly oppose on having duo, or 3-man teams. Here’s why.

Duos, like premades, manipulate and distort the matchmaking system when players make decisions to form parties. This distortion is what creates unbalanced and un-competitive games. In a sense, it’s “tricking” the system into giving your team a higher mmr than they deserve. This works against you too! I truly believe the matchmaking is meant for 5-man teams only. With 5-mans there is no discrepancy or distortion in the matchmaking. This might work with solo queue only, but I suggest modifying the matchmaking by accounting for individual skill.

Second, the competition is always there, it’s just that it’s being artificially restrained by bad, distorted matchmaking thanks to duo teams. In a nutshell, this season is the SAME as 1-4, you still have premades, except that instead of 2,3,4,5 man teams you just have 2.

Rolisteel.1375:

Agree full solo q and team q. No one cares about this inaccurate leaderboards its only accurate if you have a skilled duo partner but even at highest rating they are hacking their way to top abusing system and paying players to dc and lose game for their team and using other tricks to “top rating for ego”

Otherwise its an inaccurate garbage in solo/duo mix q a full solo player unable to reach highest levels so its garbage. Its made for peoples that have a skilled friend so they can farm together to top leaderboard, but its not for solo players really they cant compete with duo q’ers.

I have no idea why duo was added and 5-man was taken out. It was a so-called “compromise” that didn’t address anything at all. 1-man and 5-man is all that’s needed.

More importantly, I have another suggestion: NO hard mmr reset. Just look at the damage a SOFT reset has done. We’ll get worse games.

Spoichiche.1290:

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

sigh
Just because you make a billion posts about how trash the system is (which is basically the same system used by every team based competitive game), it does not make your phantasm true.
Look at a some actual numbers like twitch viewership on pvp streams. Because this number doubled since the begining of this season. That sure is a proof that the league is an absolute failure, right?

So, let’s see. You’re telling me that every competitive game lets their players manipulate the matchmaking system and leaderboard? Somehow I doubt that lol.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

JTGuevara.9018:

Because the system is a sham, that’s why. Matchmaking is just a see-saw. ANet keeps our MMR secret for a reason, you know.

That you can make an alt account, get an mmr boost and climb leaderboard is egregious. It’s a shortcut to the top.

That being said, I think this matchmaking system would work only for 5-man, maybe even full solo queue. No duo, no 3-man, no 4-man, FULL solo. I’m not totally sure, but I think that was the case in the past when we had separate solo and team queues.

You are right the system is solely designed around a 5 man Static Team the same as the Game Mode was designed Soley for organized 5 man Premades, that’s one of the issues with the MM, that is why before they shipped season 5 I laughed when everyone wanted a Solo Queue, but players can have an Approximation of their skill level with this system under a Solo Queue.

True, people did want solo queue, but they put duo too. Even with duos, they mess the whole system up.

Let’s cut through the myths. PvP leagues have failed spectacularly. Deep down, everyone knows this. It’s time to be brutally honest about the PvP situation. It’s time to stop protecting it. It’s time to stop pretending.

If we want to keep this matchmaking system, we NEED to bring back separate team queue and REAL solo queue, that is one man only. No duo, no 3-man. Duos and trios fudge up the matchmaking system to create an advantage and unfair games. We’ve seen this since the beginning of leagues. This is the root of the problem. I believe the current system was meant for 5-man only since your mmr depends a lot on the mmr of your team.

Also, for solo queue, modify the matchmaking system to, once and for all, make individual skill count. Since at the end of the day, that’s what SOLO queue is about!

Yeah, yeah, there will be longer queues, but you know what? It’s not the worst thing in the world! Also, there are more new players now. I don’t think it will be as big a problem as it was in the past.

Exedore.6320:

JTGuevara.9018:

Because the system is a sham, that’s why. Matchmaking is just a see-saw. ANet keeps our MMR secret for a reason, you know.

ROFL. You know that number they display on the PvP tab? That’s your rating. So much for keeping it hidden…

Yes, I know that. :P

I meant the mmr of your team, during the match.

Because the system is a sham, that’s why. Matchmaking is just a see-saw. ANet keeps our MMR secret for a reason, you know.

That you can make an alt account, get an mmr boost and climb leaderboard is egregious. It’s a shortcut to the top.

That being said, I think this matchmaking system would work only for 5-man, maybe even full solo queue. No duo, no 3-man, no 4-man, FULL solo. I’m not totally sure, but I think that was the case in the past when we had separate solo and team queues.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

One of the consequences for the current Ranked season is that people are giving up hope. I’m 31/63 because I can’t bring myself to keep playing after having bad teammates. I lost a good 10 to 15 matches that we should have won, but failed due to really poor decisions by the rest of the team. If I were 45/63, that would put me in Gold T1. I go on a small win streak, then I run into players who 4 v 1 on a point being bunkered, and other team 3 caps the whole map. If I don’t leave the queue, I’ll team with the same players(s) for the next 2 or 3 matches. /cry

Heck, I’m so disgusted by quality in Silver, that I find myself not even giving a kitten when I play. Why try hard when there’s no point? Sometimes I have teammates who don’t respond when I ask who’s taking Home before matches.

As for carrying, I will admit to this. It’s is possible to carry matches… if you’re ESL quality like Helseth. But that’s the exception, not the norm. Helseth’s skill level is far beyond what players in Bronze, Silver or Gold have. Heck, how many players in GW2 get paid to play this game? Only a handful. But saying that any good player can carry Bronze pugs, is like saying anyone can be a Victoria Secret model. For us peasants, we’re at the mercy of RNG matchmaking. I wish I were born with the natural ability to finger buttons as well as Helseth.

Don’t say that, Smooth. There’s no such thing as “carrying” in this game. In every game of PvP, from hotjoin to unranked to ranked to proleague, you CANNOT win a game in conquest without your teammates.

Also, stop putting proleaguers on a pedestal. They manipulated the system and knew all the tricks to stay up there. Yes, they’re excellent players, but let’s get some facts straight here.

Lordrosicky.5813:

We need safeguards against exploiting gw2 leaderboard, against meteors killing all humans and against nuclear world war. These are the 3 issues of our time.

Precisely in that order lol

BlaqueFyre.5678:

JTGuevara.9018:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

You do not tell the TRUTH as you put it you tell your emotionally charged opinion.

Says the one with no EVIDENCE.

Where’s your EVIDENCE as you put it? We are waiting. Post vids of your your PvP gameplay, post evidence of the Mmr hell. Go for it you just have your Opinin and no fact to back it, you say no player can carry a bronze match by them self well Helseth proved you wrong there. You say that the system is keeping you in Bronze below your supposed skill level still haven’t seen any proof from you showing as such. Everything I have stated has been either backed by Dev statements or the actions of other players that post videos. Funny how that works.

The evidence is right in front of you. It is in the game itself that we all play each and every day. Matchmaking imbalance is directly built into the system. We’ve seen this since season one. You think it’s just me? It’s going to get you too. As far as devs statements go, of course they’re going to back it, they designed it!

BlaqueFyre.5678:

JTGuevara.9018:

Honest John.4673:

JTGuevara.9018:

Honest John.4673:

ibchillin.7805:

Honest John.4673:

ibchillin.7805:

Lexander.4579:

there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve

Ignorant statement to the max here. You’re either a troll or you really are trying to see how far your nose goes up kittenNet’s kitten. The system is flawed; perhaps not to the extent some are saying, but there are MASSIVE flaws in it.

I’ve seen Gold 2 players who are absolutely clueless. Is this just them trolling who freaking knows. However, it’s pathetic how stupid some of them “pvpers” actually are. They have no map awareness at all, they can’t even focus targets. Some of this has to be actual trolls, perhaps even “pro” players taking a break just to kitten around. Some could even be Anet or those close to them. When you are winning in a match and then watch as everything falls about and the players just start giving away control points, and grouping all on home etc it does make you wonder.

We all know the “pros” make multiple accounts to keep themselves at the top. Some do this and admit they do to troll the lower ranking ones. We all know Anet doesn’t want their pride and joy “pro” players actually losing to other players because it’ll make them look like kittenes. Is it any wonder why they took out allowing the top teams to try and compete to get into the pro level? The pro teams are on Anet’s payroll, that money they “win” just gets funneled back into the system. It’s an elitist club and they don’t want to lose any power.

Should just call it Guild Boxing 2, it’s as corrupt as that industry was when Don King led the charge. Complete BS, so either play the grind or don’t, it’s rigged.

Oh wow another cute little anecdotal example! ^.^ I didn’t know this happened every single time! And only to you too at that.

Guess what though… if that guy keeps losing guess where he’ll go. That’s right.

Down.

Honestly John go suck on Anet’s kitten some more. If you really want to be on Anet’s payroll you should apply for a job. The fanboys love to twist words around, I swear it’s pathetic, I never once said “it’s only happening to me” You kittening jack kitten piece of kitten.

I’m not defending ANet. You’re attacking math and statistics. Next thing I know you’re gonna be telling me evolution doesn’t exist and the Earth is 6,000 years old. Not a smart one, are you? Figured.

Oooh watch out! He’s got the “facts”. -snicker-

You’re the one who can’t seem to wrap your head around what a match making system is designed to do nor the math behind it. Plus you’re very likely bad at the game at that with delusions that you’re good and can’t fathom how a system in which the good players rise to the top could leave you out so it’s the systems fault and not you.

Listen, if you were actually good you wouldn’t be saying the things you do. No one good does. My friends list panned out exactly how I thought it would: With the good players getting high ratings and the ones I knew were not so good getting lower ones. If the good players I knew were good got placed lower they’ve pushed themselves out of it and have a much higher rating now. While the ones towards the bottom/middle are the ones constantly complaining about their teams. It’s so predictable, I can’t believe there’s anyone that takes you seriously here anymore.

Anyone can use math, what matters is that is it CORRECT. See, you’re focused on the math, I’m focused on the RESULT. What’s the point of math if it doesn’t correctly solve a problem? The math ensures that low mmr players never move up and high mmr players always get knocked down. There’s no individual skill being accounted at all here. It’s just an endless matchmaking see-saw regardless of your personal skill.

As far as who takes me seriously? lol I don’t CARE. Agree with me or not, I tell the TRUTH. There’s a lot of BS floating on these forums. PvP is not competitive, by any means. This has been the case for every single league season. There has been no progress at all since then. I’ve defended PvP in the past…no longer. Enough is enough.

You do not tell the TRUTH as you put it you tell your emotionally charged opinion.

Says the one with no EVIDENCE.

Honest John.4673:

JTGuevara.9018:

Honest John.4673:

ibchillin.7805:

Honest John.4673:

ibchillin.7805:

Lexander.4579:

there’s just one reason players are unhappy with pvp: they think they belong to higher rank than what they actually deserve

Ignorant statement to the max here. You’re either a troll or you really are trying to see how far your nose goes up kittenNet’s kitten. The system is flawed; perhaps not to the extent some are saying, but there are MASSIVE flaws in it.

I’ve seen Gold 2 players who are absolutely clueless. Is this just them trolling who freaking knows. However, it’s pathetic how stupid some of them “pvpers” actually are. They have no map awareness at all, they can’t even focus targets. Some of this has to be actual trolls, perhaps even “pro” players taking a break just to kitten around. Some could even be Anet or those close to them. When you are winning in a match and then watch as everything falls about and the players just start giving away control points, and grouping all on home etc it does make you wonder.

We all know the “pros” make multiple accounts to keep themselves at the top. Some do this and admit they do to troll the lower ranking ones. We all know Anet doesn’t want their pride and joy “pro” players actually losing to other players because it’ll make them look like kittenes. Is it any wonder why they took out allowing the top teams to try and compete to get into the pro level? The pro teams are on Anet’s payroll, that money they “win” just gets funneled back into the system. It’s an elitist club and they don’t want to lose any power.

Should just call it Guild Boxing 2, it’s as corrupt as that industry was when Don King led the charge. Complete BS, so either play the grind or don’t, it’s rigged.

Oh wow another cute little anecdotal example! ^.^ I didn’t know this happened every single time! And only to you too at that.

Guess what though… if that guy keeps losing guess where he’ll go. That’s right.

Down.

Honestly John go suck on Anet’s kitten some more. If you really want to be on Anet’s payroll you should apply for a job. The fanboys love to twist words around, I swear it’s pathetic, I never once said “it’s only happening to me” You kittening jack kitten piece of kitten.

I’m not defending ANet. You’re attacking math and statistics. Next thing I know you’re gonna be telling me evolution doesn’t exist and the Earth is 6,000 years old. Not a smart one, are you? Figured.

Oooh watch out! He’s got the “facts”. -snicker-

You’re the one who can’t seem to wrap your head around what a match making system is designed to do nor the math behind it. Plus you’re very likely bad at the game at that with delusions that you’re good and can’t fathom how a system in which the good players rise to the top could leave you out so it’s the systems fault and not you.

Listen, if you were actually good you wouldn’t be saying the things you do. No one good does. My friends list panned out exactly how I thought it would: With the good players getting high ratings and the ones I knew were not so good getting lower ones. If the good players I knew were good got placed lower they’ve pushed themselves out of it and have a much higher rating now. While the ones towards the bottom/middle are the ones constantly complaining about their teams. It’s so predictable, I can’t believe there’s anyone that takes you seriously here anymore.

Anyone can use math, what matters is that is it CORRECT. See, you’re focused on the math, I’m focused on the RESULT. What’s the point of math if it doesn’t correctly solve a problem? The math ensures that low mmr players never move up and high mmr players always get knocked down. There’s no individual skill being accounted at all here. It’s just an endless matchmaking see-saw regardless of your personal skill.

As far as who takes me seriously? lol I don’t CARE. Agree with me or not, I tell the TRUTH. There’s a lot of BS floating on these forums. PvP is not competitive, by any means. This has been the case for every single league season. There has been no progress at all since then. I’ve defended PvP in the past…no longer. Enough is enough.

This thing is a sham. Period.

The way I see it, matchmaking problems will persist if we don’t fix the root of the problem.

Stop using individual mmr for your teams. Use individual mmr only for individuals. A player with say 1500 mmr should be matched with 9 other 1500 players ONLY. This guarantees that the match is fair and balanced. I don’t care about queue times.

Also, the current system tends to work I think for 5-man only. It’s not meant for solo queue. If we want solo queue, individual skill MUST be accounted for.

Junior.3928:

It’s sad that a “pro” player would go take an account go through bronze and mock new players. I watched the stream and tbh it looked like he was just pumping his ego, trash talking to bronze players. Now those players will see that they’ve been smashed 5v4 and sure they will think “oh yeah this matchmaking is crap” when in fact you have sad people like him boosting their own ego by “smurfing”.

Ha! Pathetic!

These are our “pros”. -snicker-

Looking at gw2 results as a whole, PvE is doing well. PvP and WvW are not.

PvE has steady content, fractals, raids, gem store, etc. I find that PvE players are more satisfied overall with the game. With PvP and WvW players it’s the exact opposite.
ANet does PvE best. They just have no idea what to do with PvP and WvW.

Faux Play.6104:

That is European bronze though. that is like starting American gold. still not possible to get out of US bronze xD

There you go, tell ’em.

Kratos, come on man, you think I was born yesterday?

It’s called tanking placement, mmr boost from alt account and RNG to the top. You “pros” can BS other people, but not me.

Hard reset is PvP suicide. Look at the damage a SOFT reset has done.

Honest John.4673:

sephiroth.4217:

1 player is forced to carry 4 other players into a division they themselves don’t belong in.

So there’s 4 slots for bad players to fall in vs 5 slots on the other team. If you’re as good as you say/think you are… the odds are already in your favor.

Ha! But of COURSE they are!

messiah.1908:

JTGuevara.9018:

What PvP needs is a TUTORIAL.

PvE has a tutorial, WvW has a tutorial. PVP HAS NO TUTORIAL.

the problem you cannot do fully tutorial for every scenario as there are too many variant
1. your build
2. your skill lvl
3. allies build
4. allies skill lvl
5. enemy build
6. enemy skill lvl
7. first rotation
8. outcome
9. second rotation
10. and so on …. till 15 min ends

you might do some popup quiz like if 1 in close and 2 on mid and enemy rush to mid where should you go?….. LOL

if you play dmg dealer, your enemy is winning mid and you have close where should you go

It doesn’t matter! You NEED a tutorial! Otherwise, how the hell will new players learn to play?!

First, thank you new player for sharing your thoughts. I will not chase away or scapegoat new players, they are PvP’s future. I welcome them. However, as a veteran of 4 years, I need to say this.

New players, first and foremost, need to learn to play if they want to compete on ranked. You guys cause problems if you don’t know the basics! I notice a lot of you guys are from PvE. Let me ask you this: When you guys play dungeons, fractals and raids, what do you request on the lfg? “lv80s” “gearcheck”
“EXPERIENCED ONLY” PvP players deserve at least that much from you new guys. You all need to concede to veterans on this one.

Second, please try to understand the veteran’s point of view and the PvP system. Some of us have played for years, yet we are stuck in the bottom. Thanks to matchmaking, veterans are constantly matched with new players, people below our skill level. This is on both sides. With the exception of matchmaking RNG, there’s no way for veterans to advance. This is the root of the anger. ANet deserves criticism after five league failures.

Third, yes OP I concede to you there. Veterans have NO business scapegoating new players. I don’t support that. Unless, they’re trolls, PvE farmers, griefers or afkers in which I have NO MERCY for and deserve all the venom they get!

Terrorsquad.2349:

Poelala.2830:

I’m not saying ele is terrible at everything and brings nothing to the team, and don’t pretend I’ve ever said that.

If you go bunk, you’ll choose earth/water/tempest. You do no damage, no condi damage, and you have very few CC’s (unless you’re running aura share shocking aura).

Why would a bunker deal damage?
You trait to go bunker to bunk, which is not DPS.

What a concept!

Reaper Alim.4176:

Wolfric.9380:

I expect no change in season. It will come after season.
Problem is that with the placement matches they butchered the MMR system.
I don´t think we can get out of this without MMR reset and high ranked enter requirements like you can only play a class in ranked after 30 victories in conquest + no pips on losses mabe 1 for top stats. Shure this will be a barrier for casuals and PvE players that only come for rewards but it´s ranked.

What might help:

Players can´t use a CLASS ranked before they got 50 conquest VICTORIES with it.
And this also for exisitng players so even i would be able to play only two classes despite having over 1k matches.

Coming from experience in most of the other actual Competitive PvP games. This is a requirement before you can enter ranked with that character or class. But GW2 is not a PvP game it is a MMORPG thus caters more to PvE then anything else so I also don’t expect ANet to allow the ranked game to truly show how skilled we are as players. Instead all ranked in GW2 is, is just a causal game mode that give out pointless titles and PvE rewards.

That’s why GW2 gets less love then the other mainsteam MMOs on youtube and Twitch. Because people want to watch competitions against players not competitions of RNG or Stacked Decked matches where about %80 of the time the MM has decided who needs to win and who needs to lose to allow or prevent advancement.

The extremely soft MMR adjustment was only to protect it’s ESL so called pros. I say that because sometimes in bronze I find players that are way better then the ESL players.

I think this is because your individual mmr depends so much on the mmr of your TEAM. Matchmaking doesn’t reward individual skill at all. In fact, I think it benefits full 5-man teams.

Also, I find that the harder I play, the WORSE teams I get!

Yes, the “pros” will always be protected by ANet, that is certain. Trust not one thing they say about PvP and their “solutions”. They’re only going to protect themselves. Do you ever wonder why we have the same teams in ESL each season? It’s because nobody cares!

If gw2 was truly competitive, you would have a plethora of teams, hundreds, not just 8 or so. In fact, I doubt the current proleaguers would even sniff the top ever again.

BennyKay.6139:

JTGuevara.9018:

Haha! All you “pros” are full of excuses.

Shaogin posted a game where the team mmr difference is almost TWO HUNDRED points! You call THAT fair matchmaking? It’s laughable.

I can’t wait until some of you guys start tumbling down and getting a taste of the bronze life. Let’s see if you protect the system then.

MMR is different than rank. You have no idea of knowing the other 9 players’ MMR in the match, just their rating which is only a portion of the MMR equation.

That’s because he asked them personally for their individual mmr and posted them here. Also, I don’t care about the equation, I care about the RESULT, which is—laughable.

Haha! All you “pros” are full of excuses.

Shaogin posted a game where the team mmr difference is almost TWO HUNDRED points! You call THAT fair matchmaking? It’s laughable.

I can’t wait until some of you guys start tumbling down and getting a taste of the bronze life. Let’s see if you protect the system then.

Vykoz.7803:

So many are getting the hammer to face and seeing how bad they really are, the tears and diniability are great.

Youre stuck in bronze/silver cause youre bad/average, you have always been bad/average, if you played for 4 years and youre still stuck in bronze.

Try think how much you have dragged your friends/teammates down the last 4 years or think about how unworthy your seasons of legend ranks has been.

Think about how much you have been carried, which you cant figure out how to do…

gg.

Hahaha! I don’t need to think or explain JACK to you “pros” who got their balls fondled by Lady RNG.

You lot will change your tune after she kicks you to the curb and hands you a series of losses lol.