Guild Wars 2

I +1 your argument until you get to your friend.

Your friend bought the game when an expansion was announced in January. Yeah 50 bucks is steep, but he should’ve known way beforehand that he was probably going to spending at LEAST 40 bucks just because that seems to be the typical price for expansions.

50.00 for a B2P expansion is really reasonable, they are asking you for 50.00 to play what content they have created for the expac + LWS3 + LWS4 + any feature packs that come out after HoT.

the problem is value for money where the existing player base is getting shafted.

Value for money is the biggest argument.

If you can seriously tell me that veteran and new players are getting the same value for their money, I will have to question your very existence.

Dawdler.8521:

Jordo.5913:

Baconplease.1657:

I never said trion was the developer of archeage. They were however, the Publisher. The face of the company. It was their own fault.

So then NCsoft will take the blame for this. Arenanet is only the developer. NCsoft is the publisher.

Chances are high that NCSoft had something to do with the pricing, yes… But we dont really know that, Anet could have decided it for themselves. For Archeage, we knew that any price changes went through Trion and not the original developer.

So this thread is based on assumptions, which makes it worthless to argue.

Baconplease.1657:

I never said trion was the developer of archeage. They were however, the Publisher. The face of the company. It was their own fault.

So then NCsoft will take the blame for this. Arenanet is only the developer. NCsoft is the publisher.

DocZed.6973:

… to read about Guild Halls, mind you, I only found about 4 topics.
I get that ya’ll are mad but did you have to make 7 pages of QQ about the exact same thing? They merge threads for a reason and I imagine you’re going to give someone a field day when they open their doors tomorrow morning.

I’m not touching this with a 39 and a half foot pole.

There is only one way to have your voice heard.

We complained about the NPE, and it’s getting re-hauled finally.

Complaining about SAB though, that one hasn’t been heard yet.

dookleeto.3647:

Jordo.5913:

LOLOL

so you want him to start fresh with HoT? you mean, not take all the characters with hundreds and hundreds of hours upon into the Magumma Jungle?

he said he should get a free account, I was just pointing out that he can. Sure its an empty account but guess what? so are the free accounts for new players. They have to start fresh too. Or maybe they should get free level 80s and free legendaries, since some players seem to think everything should be free.

If its too much, don’t buy it. Nobody is forcing you to. I’m pretty sure you can stay viable in existing pve, pvp and wvw with the basic traitlines.

you are mixing a lot of people wanting a free 10.00 chr slot, with free legendaries and free level 80’s?

and yeah a new player has to start fresh, that’s what they get for putting off the game for so long, so I guess it’s okay to stick it to the loyal players and give them nothing for buying the game back at launch…only the new players get the “bonus” item

The Night Fox.6018:

Shocking, really. Grew up with this company at its birth when I was 11 running around Old Ascalon. Back then, I never even heard of Anet’s works other than praise for their quality of life updates.

But this is dire. I can’t say I’m dissapointed because kitten happens, but I hope for an old friend that they will make things right. Faith is all I got now.

I feel the same way! I joined GW1 right before Nightfall came out.

I sometimes question if it’s the same Arenanet that is making GW2.

I’d really like to think it is, but I sadly don’t believe so, or NCsoft increased their vicegrip around Anet’s throat.

Khristophoros.7194:

When it comes to issues like this, a company’s PR department typically puts a blackout on the issue (they don’t allow any employees to comment on it) and then they silently watch the forums for a few days and consider what the response should be, if any.

lol that didn’t work

RB and Smith both commented.

“You Rang?” seriously kittened me off when I saw it.

lol calm down buddy, that’s a 50 dollar value there

we’re stepping a fine line just trying to get 1 chr slot

Gravox the Terrible.2157:

“And the forums begin to blossom with threads of those that whine about other peoples whine threads, and so the circle of life continues.”-David Attenborough voice.

You win the internet for today good sir.

dookleeto.3647:

MashMash.1645:

But what am I getting for “Free” – NOTHING.

What makes you think you you are entitled to anything for “Free”?

And Zoul, you can get an extra account, just make a new account and you get the base game for free. You will have one new account with HOT, and your old account without. If that is what you really want, you can have it.

LOLOL

so you want him to start fresh with HoT? you mean, not take all the characters with hundreds and hundreds of hours upon into the Magumma Jungle?

Anet sure likes putting it to the customer who has been around spending cash in the cash shop.

most people are looking at it like this:

Existing Player: 50.00 for GW2: HoT content, Nothing free
New Player: 50.00 for GW2: HoT, GW2 free

basically, existing players are getting shafted

If you buy the expac, and are already an existing customer and want to use your current account. You’re paying for only HoT content, and cannot use the base game to make an alt.

If you buy the expac, and are a new customer. You’re paying for GW2 AND HoT content.

Being a new customer seems the better deal eh?

I despise playing Mesmers, Necros, nor Engineers. I had no reason to buy a chr slot.

If I had to buy a chr slot after recieving 5 chr slots to pick and choose from the 8 professions, I’m fine with that.

I like the look of the Revenant.

I have to pay 50 bucks for a game just to get the Revenant, and then 10 dollars more to make a Revenant. I am not okay with that.

GW1, added 2 classes, gave two chr slots. They added another 2 classes, they gave another 2 chr slots. They added no classes in EOTN, yet they still gave away, 2 more chr slots. I sometimes question if it’s the same Arenanet that is making GW2.

Crise.9401:

Jordo.5913:

When pre-purchasing the game through the official website or through select retailers, there are four available tiers.

Heroic Edition ($49.99 USD)

Heroic Edition did not exist at launch, the pricing changed when they introduced that… the pricing at launch was as below:

The Guild Wars 2 Collector’s Edition retails at $149.99 MSRP, the Digital Deluxe at $79.99 MSRP and the Standard/Digital Edition at $59.99 MSRP.

https://us.ncsoft.com/en/news/press-releases/guild-wars-2-pre-purchase-now-live.php

touché, I stand corrected on pricing

Shifu.4321:

Jordo.5913:

Shifu.4321:

Jordo.5913:

Shifu.4321:

To put it into perspective, the cost of HoT is equivalent to 3 unlimited harvesting tools, 1 outfit, and 1 hairstyle kit.

Think about that.

HoT is going to have less story, less maps, no dungeons, and about 1/3 of the original games total content.

Yet, costs the same amount of money as the original game at launch.

Think about that.

Which means you can’t place things in vacuum and compare them on a 1:1 ratio.

Standard pricing for expansions TODAY is around $40-60 (See Heavensward and WoD), both of which have less content than the base game. I mean, kitten , Diablo 3 expac was $40 for what was basically 1/4 of the original game. Don’t forget SC2 expansions that go FULL price as well for what’s basically new missions and few new units.

Heavensward is 40 bucks.
WoD was 50 bucks, that came with a free 60 dollar cash shop item upon purchase. You know, an item that helped out both new and loyal players.

And it’s still 80% of the price for far less than 80% of the content of the original game. Plus you have to pay a monthly fee on TOP of that.

there was still a FREE 60 dollar cash shop item which lightened the blow of the 50.00 price tag….you also didn’t have everyone getting WoW, BC, WotLK, Cata, MoP and more for free, which didn’t divide the playerbase as people buying just HoT Content vs new players buying HoT + Base game content.

briggah.7910:

You have to buy more character slots to play every profession as is. If you haven’t bought more character slots well then you have deleted one to try another one. Just because they make a new profession doesn’t mean they have to give you a new character slot for it. If you had a character slot for every profession then yes it should be included but you get five character slots when you buy this game yet have eight professions to choose from. So now its nine profession to choose from. You’ll still need character slots if you plan to play every profession.

everyone was fine with 5 slots for 8 professions….most players expected to have professions they didn’t really enjoy, which I also weeded out as I made new professions for each slot….I can’t stand playing Mesmers, Necros, or Engineers.

The problem is now I have 5 level 80’s and unless I put out 10 bucks to play the Revenant, I have to delete a chr that I have hours upon hours on, over the last 3 years.

Essentially, I have to buy the expac for 50, and then buy the class/chr for 10 bucks, like this is some type of MOBA.

Shifu.4321:

Jordo.5913:

Shifu.4321:

To put it into perspective, the cost of HoT is equivalent to 3 unlimited harvesting tools, 1 outfit, and 1 hairstyle kit.

Think about that.

HoT is going to have less story, less maps, no dungeons, and about 1/3 of the original games total content.

Yet, costs the same amount of money as the original game at launch.

Think about that.

Which means you can’t place things in vacuum and compare them on a 1:1 ratio.

Standard pricing for expansions TODAY is around $40-60 (See Heavensward and WoD), both of which have less content than the base game. I mean, kitten , Diablo 3 expac was $40 for what was basically 1/4 of the original game. Don’t forget SC2 expansions that go FULL price as well for what’s basically new missions and few new units.

Heavensward is 40 bucks.
WoD was 50 bucks, that came with a free 60 dollar cash shop item upon purchase. You know, an item that helped out both new and loyal players.

Crise.9401:

Jordo.5913:

Shifu.4321:

To put it into perspective, the cost of HoT is equivalent to 3 unlimited harvesting tools, 1 outfit, and 1 hairstyle kit.

Think about that.

HoT is going to have less story, less maps, no dungeons, and about 1/3 of the original games total content.

Yet, costs the same amount of money as the original game at launch.

Think about that.

Original game was 59,99 at launch as far as I recall… and where is your source on that estimation of content in HoT we know next to nothing about the extent of PvE content at this point.

“When pre-purchasing the game through the official website or through select retailers, there are four available tiers.

Heroic Edition ($49.99 USD)
Digital Edition ($59.99 USD)
Digital Deluxe ($79.99 USD)
Collector’s Edition ($149.99 USD)"

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2#Purchasing

Also, the reason half of this kitten storm is happening is because they haven’t shown they have 50 dollars worth of content, the other half is about a chr slot/new players.

They haven’t shown how many maps they’ll have. I can guarantee you one new region isn’t going to be enough maps to cover the 7-8 the core game had.

+1

15 kitten chrs

Shifu.4321:

To put it into perspective, the cost of HoT is equivalent to 3 unlimited harvesting tools, 1 outfit, and 1 hairstyle kit.

Think about that.

HoT is going to have less story, less maps, no dungeons, and about 1/3 of the original games total content.

Yet, costs the same amount of money as the original game at launch.

Think about that.

yeah, Anet has NCsoft behind them, which have a huge say in pricing of the game and what is or isn’t offered

this isn’t blizz where they make and publish their own game, they can’t just announce free chr slots for everyone

Anet will report the kitten storm to NCsoft, NCsoft will tell them what to say or what they are offering to do, Anet will reply to us

Shifu.4321:

Jordo.5913:

Shifu.4321:

JUN YANG.4328:

they only care about money… no matter new player or existing player need to spend $50. that will increase their income. no matter what.

Well,yeah that’s how paid expansions work I guess?

is forcing your loyal players to delete a chr for a new class OR be forced to buy a 10.00 chr slot on top of the 100.00 they have now paid for the game, how paid expansions work?

Sometimes yes.

i guess that’s why somtimes, games flop

briggah.7910:

A loyal gw2 player would already have bought several character slots to make one of each profession. I’m sure a loyal gw2 player can spare another 100g to play another new profession if he wants too.

So the amount of buyable features I have bought is what makes me a loyal GW2 player? Not the 50 bucks that I spent at launch?

Shifu.4321:

JUN YANG.4328:

they only care about money… no matter new player or existing player need to spend $50. that will increase their income. no matter what.

Well,yeah that’s how paid expansions work I guess?

is forcing your loyal players to delete a chr for a new class OR be forced to buy a 10.00 chr slot on top of the 100.00 they have now paid for the game, how paid expansions work?

Loyal GW2 Gamer:

60 @ Launch
50 for GW2: HoT
All chr slots probably filled, has to delete a chr to make a revenant, or pay 10 more dollars.

Brand new player:

50 for GW2 + GW2: HoT
5 chr slots to make whatever they need.

Thanks Anet.

UPDATE: There was no 50 dollar launch option. Only 60.00 and above.

MassDelusion.9130:

For those that haven’t figured it out, and are asking for compensation because they’re going to “pay $10” for what they already have.

Prices of old games drop. And ANet has decided to drop the price of the base game down to nothing.

so 50 bucks for JUST an expansion? that’s worse than saying it was 50 for the expac + game

the expansion is set to have nowhere near the amount of content of the base game, yet they want to charge the same price?

yeah they are updating a lot of stuff in the core game, but that is stuff that should be done for the price of buying the game the first time, or funded through gem store purchases

the expansion for gw1 which added 3 new regions instead of just 1? only 20.00

I could have accepted 30-40 bucks, i would’ve accepted 50 if we got a chr slot for the revenant, but 50 on it’s own is a slap in the face

John Smith.4610:

InfinitytheSoulWarden.5963:

if you look at the world through the cold cynical eyes of economics

You rang?

You serious?

Everyone is flipping out over your product, and you make jokes?

What are you doing Anet?

This is awful! I could understand 50.00 with a chr slot for the Revenant! 40 for expac+ 10 for chr slot.

Please change ur mind anet!

Hold your horses. They have already stated that they have masteries that will be implemented for old world tyria as well.

Also, they are allowing gliding to be used in old world Tyria.

Exp post 80 will very much be important.

So E3 is coming next week on June 16th which Arenanet are confirmed to be at for the first time in long while. Anet usually made their home/announcements at Pax/Gamescom.

This week got quite the info purge of LA coming very soon, Core Specs getting revamped, Wallet getting revamped, and Combat Changes, and the week is still young. This likely means the content update is coming sooner rather than later so we could possibly wake up the morning of E3’s first day to a new LA.

Then what’s the announcement at E3 you might ask? Recent datamining by that_shaman, has shown that they have now added into the client:

Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns—Ultimate
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns—Deluxe
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns—Prepurchase

so looks like we are getting at least the announcement of a pre-purchase at E3, and possibly a release date, but I would dare to say that a lot of the “raiding” content will be announced as well when there will be a big audience to take notice.

save ur gold, they’ll prob put a scythe skin in the gem store eventually

glad u liked it

This guy needs more views/plays for this. The awesome thing is that it’s actually a pretty good song.

https://soundcloud.com/zacksuckatlove/icebow-4-im-gonna-miss-you

Yes sir, go around 19:30ish

lordkrall.7241:

If they upload it on Youtube (which I believe they usually do) they should be able to edit it before uploading it there yes.

They also must have been extremely fast in changing the view, since apparently no one had the time to press print-screen ^^ (people seem to have had the time to read exactly what it said however, interestingly enough).

lol this kid

I was listening more about the Ventari tablet stuff. I saw twitch explode with SAB and I was scrolling up trying to figure why everyone was typing SAB confirmed. I looked in the upper right hand corner, saw it, and by then it was switched over.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Jordo.5913:

lordkrall.7241:

So.. any pictures of this supposed “SAB reveal”?

gotta wait for it to upload to their twitch videos, once twitch exploded about it, they switched quickly to just rubi and the dev, and when it came back, it had a PoI pic plastered over it, so i couldn’t grab one live

Do they have the ability to retroactively edit the video? Because unless they can do that, there isn’t much point in having done anything at all.

not sure, don’t know much about twitch, I know they probably can for youtube….but unsure about twitch, I do know they could make it so it never pops up….if that happens then i mean, you kind of have to ask yourself,

“What world event is so important that they would go through all this trouble to keep it secret?”

I guess it could be the LA thing, but they said that could be between now and 3 months from now.

lordkrall.7241:

So.. any pictures of this supposed “SAB reveal”?

gotta wait for it to upload to their twitch videos, once twitch exploded about it, they switched quickly to just rubi and the dev, and when it came back, it had a PoI pic plastered over it, so i couldn’t grab one live

lordkrall.7241:

There are massive amounts of possibilities that they are hiding that part of the screen. Jumping to it being SAB is rather silly. There is nothing that indicates anything at all that it would be SAB.

In fact, it could simply be hiding a spoilery personal story thingy or something.
Or one of all the other festivals/stuffs that have been released before.

There are possibilites. All the text was orange though, personal story would be green.

The only festival that is coming up would be Dragon Bash, but I don’t think that’s it. Once i have the screenshot you can clearly make out, Super Adventure Box.

You can make out an S, an A, and the last word has 3 letters.

i’ll have a screenshot of the blur once the PoI is over

Ralanost.8913:

Maybe they just play it internally and have no plans to re-release it? Ever thought about that? No sense in needlessly getting your hopes up. Unless you like to be disappointed.

except recently they were showing something off and it gave away the “Year of the Ram” event ahead of time, but they felt that wasn’t gamebreaking enough to blur

a big world event is coming, and they tried to blur it out to keep it from getting leaked, but the blur effect wasn’t that great and you could still make out Super Adventure Box in the top right corner

Well considering after everyone called out SAB in twitch, they now have a permanent picture over it so we can’t see it at all!

In the Point of Interest right now, they have blurred the world events corner so that we cannot see what it says.

However the very top option looks what could be Super Adventure Box! Twitch chat exploded with it!

Get hyped!

edit: After a short break, and after seeing twitch chat explode, they now have a permanent PoI picture blocking the blurred text! Get ready for SAB soon boys!

Shiro and Mallyx would be a Dmg heavy build for sure, you would have to run something like Sinister stats though

Power
Precision
Condi Dmg

yeah Shiro was known to use 2 swords, but also had 2 dagger skins you could choose from

EdwinLi.1284:

Depends on what they have planned for Elite since so far Elite either help fill in a spot the profession is lacking (either melee or range combat styles) or expands on their abilities by introducing new mechanics.

With Revy lacking in Range Combat, with only Hammer as a Range Weapon and also designed to be the Tank Weapon, they may have Glint as 1st Specialization and give Revy a 2nd Range Weapon to cover this weakness of Revy focusing too much in Melee Combat.

This is true, the Rev doesnt really have rqnged option though it is widely assumed they are getting Shortbow because of the concept art on the official HoT webpage.

A ranged damage dealing legend wouldnt be bad either, perhaps shiro is melee power focused, and glint is ranged power focused.

You mentioning the trailer with glint left me thinking…we did see a LOT of elite specs in that trailer. Glint was shown, not Shiro, so +1 for Glint possibly being the elite.

I still don’t like Shiro as the Power DPS. A dragon seems like it would fit better, but if that means Glint will be an even more powerful version of Power DPS, so be it.

Top Row – 3,6,9 – Utility Skills
Middle Row – 2,5,8 – Auto Attack, Weapon 5, Heal
Bottom Row – 1,4,7 – Ult, Dodge, Unused
Middle Mouse Button – weapon swap

2-4 on keyboard used for weapon skills

~, 1 and 5 on keyboard become F1 mechanic buttons

for ele: ~, 1, 5, and R….with R being the attunement that I don’t go into that much

The white shirt with the Guild Wars 2 logo dragon.

TAKE MY MONEY!

So the Revenant was datamined to have 5 legends so far , and they are King Jalis, Mallyx, Ventari, Glint, and Shiro Tagachi. The first three of which, have now been announced.

It is also assumed that the Revenant’s elite spec will introduce a weapon and another legend, leaving the base Revenant to only choose from four. Which begs the question will the elite spec give you Shiro Tagachi or Glint.

Most people assumed Ventari would be the elite spec because of his heavy influence in the jungle, but that has turned out to be false. From a story perspective it would make sense for them to give you Glint in the elite spec because she currently has an egg that is a big plot point in the jungle.

From a introduce legend + weapon perspective, it would be easy to give Shiro Tagachi and then either dual daggers, or dual swords to the Revenant as Shiro had options for both weapons in GW1. I do believe dual swords has been datamined to be part of the Revenants kitten nal

Moving on, we also now know 3 legends and 3 roles they play:

Jalis – Tanky
Mallyx – Condition DPS
Ventari – Support
Shiro – ?
Glint – ?

Whichever base legend is introduced next, has to be the Power DPS legend. They would not force you into the elite spec to be able to do Power DPS as a Revenant. This makes me think that Glint will be the Power DPS, because Shiro doesn’t strike me as a Power dealer, he seems more like a condition stacking DPS’er, which would be strikingly different from Mallyx which plays a lot like the old dervish where you can do damage by stripping the target of the conditions that you have put on him. They are also getting rid of stack limits on enemies which would let the Revenant dip into that a bit when the expac launches.

So to me, all signs point to Shiro being the elite spec legend. From logical weapon additions for the elite spec, to what role the elite spec would have, and giving a different “form” of condition DPS.

Final Prediction:
Jalis – Tanky
Mallyx – Condition DPS (Stripping)
Ventari – Support
Glint – Power DPS
ELITE – Shiro Tagachi – Condition DPS (Stacking) + adding dual daggers or dual swords

what do you guys think?

There are 5 trait lines, one generic, and 4 base trait lines that are tied to legends.

There will be a specialization that will add another legend which equals 5.

I also have concerns with how many people I saw said they wanted to main Revenant, but have come out of the beta with concerns over the class rather than nothing but joy.

It does have me a bit worried as I have not been into the beta yet.