Guild Wars 2

Most players play about 4 hrs a day (which is generous) the avg rank gain Is about 1 rank per hour with no boosters (about 2 ranks per hour w boosters). On avg that’s about 28 ranks per week with no boosters. 52 weeks in a year = 1456 ranks a year with no boosters. So if u take into account days you don’t play, when you run out of boosters your looking at about 1 1/2 to 2 years to hit rank 2000.

fishoa.9648:

High ranked players don’t care about the low rank player struggle and even belittle them when they ask ANET to lessen the grind. The irony is that they don’t realize this is an abandoned mode in a dying game. Feel grateful you’re getting new players because it won’t last long.

This seems to be the case. The only people I see who are sticking around are those for the legendary back piece and they are asking for pips to be acquired more quickly. I have not seen anyone new who is remotely going for rank 2000 to get t3 armor. The carrot on the stick has been set far too high. I don’t know why they don’t make the grind (and it is a grind) more reasonable and just give vet players a 1 time unique reward.

I would say the fundamental difference between my opinion in the reward system compared to most others, is that I dislike grind and feel that all grind should be negated by skill. Most wvw vets seem to love grind. And they associate grind as prestige and in some cases as substitution for skill. These 2 viewpoints cannot be reconciled.

Strider Pj.2193:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

GrahamW.5397:

rank 1500-2000 is fine, god forbid that the players who have stuck it out through almost 5 years get rewarded a bit more than the people just jumping in now for the skins.

really so 360 – 500 hrs of wvw and I’m only 1/8th the way there and that’s “just jumping in”?

And yet, elsewhere when you were questioned about playing the game you noted you got 120 ranks over the last week.

Given your stated rank in that post as well, of 493, that should only take you 13 weeks to reach rank 2000. You would also most likely have your tickets as well.

By your playing, and your stated levels, you should get it about the same time as the horrible vets you seem to feel are entitled.

Neat argument, only the 2 yrs for rank 2K comes from playing regular wvw for 4 hrs a day with no boosters. I played with boosters 10 hrs a day in karma trains to hit 120 ranks in one week. I did this to see how pheasable getting rank 2K is and Yah it’s not sustainable and it’s ridiculous and needs to be changed.

Seera.5916:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Ashen.2907:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

The reward…penalizes newer players

No it doesn’t.

Being rewarded commensurate with your investment is not a penalty. Getting what you paid for (with time as the currency) is not a penalty.

2 ways of looking at it
1st) the higher my rank is, the quicker I get my pips which means quicker ticket cap and more rewards and I don’t have to do anything special to get this currently, except for all my previous hours of gameplay.

2nd) the lower my rank is the more I am penalized and have to put in many more hours to achieve the same rewards as veterans, even though I am doing the same thing as the veteran player right now and in some cases playing beter then they are.

Add in the fact that you need to gain hundreds of ranks which takes hundreds to thousands of hours of gameplay in order to influence pip gain in a meaningful way and yes I’d say that’s penalizing. Doesn’t really promote people to play well, the carrot on the stick is raised to high, endless grind results in little to no pip gain causing players to endlessly be stuck at “low rank.” So everyday/month/year they get low pips and are always considered low rank. Not very motivating.

How in the world are you penalized for not being a veteran?

Please tell me. And no, not getting as many PIPS as fast as a veteran is not a penalty.

Is there some debuff or condition that gets applied?
Are you not able to enter Eternal Battlegrounds?
Are you bumped to lower in the queue if a veteran queues for the same map?
Do you have to pay more tickets or Badges of Honor for things?

What is the penalty?

Penalizing is not a penalty

When someone sees someone play X number of hours and get y (veteran)
And someone else played 4xs as much to get the exact same y. That is a penalizing.

The baseline for how things are attained are always measured in how fast someone can attain something.

If the baseline for how fast a person hits ticket cap is about 10-12 hrs per week and others are required to play 30-40 hrs a week to get the same rewards, simply because they haven’t played previously, then being low rank is penalizing compared to being high rank. Thus the reward for being high rank is to not be penalized in regards to hours spent trying to earn pips and wvw rewards.

This is an argument about perception, and the perception of new players is that playing wvw at a low rank is associated with greatly reduced rewards due to an artificially implemented mechanic which rewards less for the same activities.

Ashen.2907:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

The reward…penalizes newer players

No it doesn’t.

Being rewarded commensurate with your investment is not a penalty. Getting what you paid for (with time as the currency) is not a penalty.

2 ways of looking at it
1st) the higher my rank is, the quicker I get my pips which means quicker ticket cap and more rewards and I don’t have to do anything special to get this currently, except for all my previous hours of gameplay.

2nd) the lower my rank is the more I am penalized and have to put in many more hours to achieve the same rewards as veterans, even though I am doing the same thing as the veteran player right now and in some cases playing beter then they are.

Add in the fact that you need to gain hundreds of ranks which takes hundreds to thousands of hours of gameplay in order to influence pip gain in a meaningful way and yes I’d say that’s penalizing. Doesn’t really promote people to play well, the carrot on the stick is raised to high, endless grind results in little to no pip gain causing players to endlessly be stuck at “low rank.” So everyday/month/year they get low pips and are always considered low rank. Not very motivating.

Seera.5916:

So you’re going to gloss by Ashen and I pointing out that you have posted that you didn’t think the system was unfair in one post but are now saying that it is?

I am now convinced that you don’t truly believe the system is unfair or dissuasive. You just want the armor as soon as possible. You really want it now, but realize that you won’t be able to convince anyone of that, so you’re compromising on that. And since you know you won’t be able to convince ANet that due to selfish reasons you want things to be done faster, you’ve come up with non-selfish reasons to spout out that you don’t really believe in but can at least put up a somewhat decent argument to support those reasons.

This is hard to articulate my position in text.

The game mode is fair in that everyone can work and get the same end result. Anyone can grind 2K hours and advance at a predictable rank. People are arguing with me if I think the mechanics themselves are flawed. The issue lies more with how the rewards are gated (grind) and what the reward is (penalizing lower lvl players). As far as the grind goes it’s fair, anyone can grind to rank 2K that is the only part that is fair. The next question though is that is r 2k too much?

The reward itself is unfair in that it penalizes newer players and essentially penalizing new players is the reward in that if ur a veteran u don’t get penalized so that’s the reward in regards to pip gain.

Grinding 2k hours to get exclusive locked rewards Is unique to wvw and a change that Is unsettling to the future of gw2. Not only is it too high and should be lowered, its not what gw2 promised us in regards to a low grind game.

If the grind is left in then other game modes need to use this system or it becomes unfair. If I spend 2K hours in pve and you don’t and we both do the same activity and play exactly the same, then I should get special rewards that you can’t get until you play 2K hours like me. In addition to this other rewards should be given to me faster requiring me to play less or to acquire materials faster due to my veteran status. I hope this is a path they don’t go down but in lieu of the new system this would award Anet’s definition of veteran players in other game modes, thus balancing the game.

reddie.5861:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

reddie.5861:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

You wvwers continuously attack and try to tell players who play for rewards that they are doing it wrong. Getting rewards in gw2 is end game and to discourage that type of play is ridiculous. .

because who plays a game for rewards?

getting rewards in gw2 means nice but its not needed is it?

for example give WvW the amulets sPvP has and no1 would need a single piece of gear thus no1 needs rewards and every1 is happy..
if u purely play for WvW or sPvP u shouldnt need rewards to keep u playing, u need fun if u dont have fun u shouldnt be playing to start off with.

u see, i tried PvE i ran rounds i had some website open which raid was spawning i went to all raids i got bored in 2/3 hours next day i tried again same thing.
i simply QUIT doing it cus i hated it. i couldnt care about rewards cus i didnt like it at all so i dumped my ass perma in WvW if i get bored i quit game for few months and i return but i will never return to PvE do u see my point? if i dont like something i dont do it i dont care what rewards one get which are only given to PvE players, i dont care about fancy skins etc i just wanna WvW be it with rewards or without.

oye i forgot to add i wasnt allowed in a single fractal group cus my w/e points where really low, like im going to search for some achievement points? like it shows my skill
so ye i havent seen much of pve world beside what i solo’d but none of it was interesting to me

well by your logic, nobody even needs to play the game, so we should all just not play it and don’t try to change it either because whats the point. Reward are pointless, and not needed. Fun game play is pointless and not needed. and also trying to make the game more reasonable and less grindy (which is what im doing, which results in more “fun” gameplay which is what you say is important) is also pointless.

i play for fun, and i played WvW from moment i could join and i had fun as upscaled i got my self this gear from WvW vendor and i never felt like i was any worse or better then any other WvWer out there i didnt felt like some1 with legendary was better then me i didnt even know wtf ascended gear was untill i got a drop of it.

thats how much i care about gear/rewards i just wanted fun and i had tons of it in WvW all i needed was badges of honor to gear up which was kitten EASY to get so i dunno where the grind is.

if your talking about rewards u can get now (even tho i dont even know what the new rewards are) why you complain? for example if i go into PvE and i dont get my legendary weapon within 5 days i can complain? because im a WvWer and i want legendary but i cant get all the mats/items needed within 5 days of playing PvE?

should i complain at Anet that i cant farm same mobs over and over again without having a decreased droprate? should i complain that i cant even farm mobs properly because i dont have my story line completed so i dont have enough mastery slots or points w/e it was to get all glide skills etc which is needed to get to certain spots or these jump mushrooms etc?

i mean get real go play for fun ull get what u want eventually..
i want a legendary for months or years already but i never put work into this crap and i still dont have it but one day ill get it and ill be happy with it without having to work for it. do i see it as grind cus i waited (or in your eyes grinded) years for it? no i dont because im simply having fun with what i have now if i happend to get precursor ill be happy but it wont feel like oo the grind is over because nothing will change ill still do WvW ill still do same kitten as i always did so in your eyes grind is never over.

theres a difference between you and me, i dont have goals i just wanna kill people and have fun.
you on the other hand want to have fancy things but u dont wanna work for anything you want WvW things handed to you well take em i wish all u boys who want w/e kitten u can get from WvW nowadays would get em mailed to you by Anet and never return to WvW again so all problems are solved.

cus seriously if a skin or legendary or w/e u can aquire from WvW only now is what u want pls just take it and stop whining.
cus for me it doesnt matter if your most shining Legendary decked out toon in gw2 if i see u in WvW ill still gank you(cus im thief) and ill still choose when to fight and how to fight and most likely ill win t he fight also so take all your shiny stuff and just leave the scene.

Where did I ever state that I want things handed to me? I never said this. 1 yr of dedicated grind is more then reasonable, you don’t need 2 yrs of grind

spvp does not mechanically award game time
pve does not mechanically award game time
wvw does mechanically award game time

all game modes award player skill to varying extents and of course if you play any game mode long enough you’ll get more rewards. But im talking about coded systems which reward you simply because your rank/playtime is high with more rewards/easier rewards, independently of what you do in each game mode or how well you play. (basically it awards you more because of your OVERALL play time, even if you are standing there)

wvw system, mechanically the system is fair in the sense that it is the same grind for everyone, the rules do not change from player to player. x number of hours = x number of rewards. But it is a bell curve as i will explain next.

wvw system is unfair in the sense that the penalties associated for new players translates to increased required time spent in order to earn the same rewards as “veteran wvwers.” this can be solved by balancing it or just letting everyone earn the same pips. That way time spent playing wvw = fair amount of rewards gained for the time put in.

If they want to retroactively go back and award everyone (which is what they said they wanted to do). They should not reward “veteran” players by giving them less grind per week to recieve rewards. This makes “veteran” rewards directly penalize newer/lower rank players because in essence that is the reward, penalizing others. The reward in essence is not being handicapped like newer players. This is detrimental and dissuasive to the wvw player base as a whole.

when you take this system and compare it to all other game modes, its completely an outlier and makes no sense to the cohesiveness that is gw2.

Ashen.2907:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Ashen.2907:

Everyone who puts in the same amount of time, effort, etc earns the same number of pips.

A new player who pushes his rank to 500 will earn the same number of pips as a player who has worked his way to rank 500 over the course of a year.

Asking that new wvwers earn the same number of pips as veterans without spending the same requisite time and effort is asking that new players be given an advantage over veterans.

“I know that it took veterans 1/2/3/4 years to accumulate the prerequisites for a certain level of reward, but I want that same level of reward immediately, without putting in the time and effort”

your acting like i think the system is “unfair” i never said it was unfair, its dissuasive to players the carrot is set too high, all im asking is that they lower it.

You might want to edit your original post to more accurately reflect your intentions then because it supports my comment and contradicts yours.

the system is fair for people in wvw when you are thinking about wvw in a vaccum and ignoring the rest of the game. If the entire game was wvw then yes everyone grind gets you your ranks and you reap your rewards and thats it. But anet has mutliple game modes and a long history of doing things a certain way.

When you compare the wvw reward system to the rest of the game it gives players in wvw an unfair advantage in terms of time played over players who dont play the game mode. No other game mode rewards this type of time commitment like wvw does. its unfair and dissuasive to new players or even people who have around rank 1k, which is why i suggested it should be brought in line with other game modes and made comparable, or i suggested that other game modes should get the same system of time played = rewards (although I dont like this). it rewards straight up play time while severely handicapping those who are just starting out, for no good reason. No other game mode does this. In that sense its unfair in relation to the rest of the game.

Ashen.2907:

Everyone who puts in the same amount of time, effort, etc earns the same number of pips.

A new player who pushes his rank to 500 will earn the same number of pips as a player who has worked his way to rank 500 over the course of a year.

Asking that new wvwers earn the same number of pips as veterans without spending the same requisite time and effort is asking that new players be given an advantage over veterans.

“I know that it took veterans 1/2/3/4 years to accumulate the prerequisites for a certain level of reward, but I want that same level of reward immediately, without putting in the time and effort”

your acting like i think the system is “unfair” i never said it was unfair, its dissuasive to players the carrot is set too high, all im asking is that they lower it.

Strider Pj.2193:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Strider Pj.2193:

Stand The Wall.6987:

I doubt new players will even notice. I certainly wouldn’t. I would be more concerned with “oh my god, megablob inc and I’m too slow” or " oh my god, what is that cat wearing".

Because you would be playing the mode, something he doesn’t want to do.

im playing wvw right now smart guy.

Name calling?

Please.

You spam team chat with worthless statements, and stand around accumulating participation and pips. If you played the mode, you would gain ranks.

But to you it’s a grind.

We have heard you and we disagree.

We are also tired of your forum spam (and it IS spam) from pushing worthwhile topics off the board.

Had you made ONE topic, and argued within it, people would be far less toxic to you. You have brought that toxicity onto yourself with the forum and team chat spam.

And please don’t deny you aren’t doing so. Your in game name is actiually called ‘the complainer’. You sig states it as well.

But your behavior is annoying because in essence, you are behaving like my kids when they were three standing in the middle of a room, yelling because they haven’t gotten their way.

And, with that, I will not engage you directly any longer.

I wish you found the same joy in the mode that many of us do.

I have gained over 120 ranks in 1 week. I’d say I know how to play the game mode. im sorry if my in game name confuses you. Im also sorry that my behavior annoys you, then again maybe im not.

Swagger.1459:

You’re just choosing not to read properly and absorb the logic because you’re too busy rage spamming. You did not provide a rational argument for the system to change, you’re just complaining that it’s unfair that the devs reward players who remained dedicated to the mode… Get over your feeling of entitlement and get in there and be a wvw warrior!

how bout they lower it to a more reasonable amount like around 1 year and then i get in there and be a wvw warrior, why is that so unreasonable? 2 years is too much. and its expecting too much. If they want to reward dedicated players they should give all wvwers right now an exclusive reward. Not create a carrot reward system thats based on 2 years + grind and hold it out for everyone and act like “common guys you can do it.”

Strider Pj.2193:

Stand The Wall.6987:

I doubt new players will even notice. I certainly wouldn’t. I would be more concerned with “oh my god, megablob inc and I’m too slow” or " oh my god, what is that cat wearing".

Because you would be playing the mode, something he doesn’t want to do.

im playing wvw right now smart guy. you act as though there is something special about wvw lol it can mostly be played with 1 hand.

Strider Pj.2193:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Serenity.6135:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Serenity.6135:

Each player is limited per week in how many tickets they can get, therefore ranks are irrelevant as a rank 1 player can still get the same amount of tickets per week as someone with rank 9k. There are different ways to increase the amount of pips you can get, ranks are only a part of it and it is to reward players who have stuck with the game mode that for years was never as rewarding as pvp or pve.

The rewards are meant to be a longterm goal which is why there is a weekly limit. It is not meant to be farmed in a few days or weeks so people will get bored and leave.

If you dont like it, dont do it, simple as that. There are other ways of acquiring gear. None of the rewards are closed off to you if you actually want to work for them. Any player with a high rank had to earn them, it did not just magically happen and yet you seem to act like you are entitled to everything right away. How about you stop making thread after thread complaining about how this or that is not fair simply because it’s harder for you.

I’m aware of the ticket cap, you didnt address any of my logic, and basically just said if I dont like it, don’t do it.

My point is that its discouraging and puts newer players at a time disadvantage whereas other content does not.

There is no “logic”, its just complaining. Stop acting as if you are some champion for new players, we have seen your other threads. It is just constant complaining with an attitude of self entitlement. We get it, you want it easier and you think its unfair that they rewarded players who actually cared about WvW and not you.

hah acting like you deserve something over other players for (insert any reason here) is entitlement.

Bolded- Funny you say that, because it’s exactly how you’re acting…

You don’t deserve to be in the same position as someone who has been playing the mode. Quit waving your entitlement flag and grind like the rest of the players did.

no for some reason you think that complaining in order to enact change is entitlement. I would be entitled if I had the items in question and then stopped others from getting it. that = entitlement. Trying to change things has nothing to do with entitlement. Tell me throughout history people who protested to change workplace conditions because they were horrible. Were they entitled too? because apparently anyone who complains is entitled according to this logic.

entitlement is that you think you deserve something because you are special and that its your right to have it for whatever reason you make up. If you already have something and then actively try to block others from getting it, the argument you are using is one of entitlement. (its my thing and nobody else can have it, cuz im me or because of x)

Actually, yes.

Where did I say “free”? …Try reading my post fully if you want to respond next time.

This is totally you… “entitlement is that you think you deserve something because you are special”…

Get in there and earn your ranks like the rest of the players. Stop acting like you’re entitled to something you haven’t earned. Also, please stop spamming the forums with pip rage posts.

i never said to give it to me for free? I said to make the grind more reasonable and less dissuasive to play. They’ve set the carrot too high and its unreasonable. entitlement is a word used by those who “have” not the “have nots”

“Everyone should get the same pips for playing in wvw.

You don’t get legendary armor or legendary fractal back piece faster because you have been playing pve for 5 years.

You don’t get the legendary spvp back piece faster because you are rank 80 and played spvp for 5 years.

So why do veteran wvw players, get anything faster? Why do they get exclusive armor that only they can obtain because of high ranks? Nothing else is gated behind high ranks. Entitlement.

Sure hope they add exclusive stuff for “veteran” spvpers and pvers. But I bet they won’t."

Sorry, but the devs made the reward system in wvw to show some love and appreciation to the players who actually played the mode… for years… throughout huge messes and lack of a lot of care for this part of the game…

Get over it…Stop acting entitled just because you didn’t care to participate in wvw before. Stop spamming the forums. Load up the game and play.

great argument/logic there, get over it and just dont complain because you say so, even though i pointed out extremely valid examples of how this system is imbalanced compared to all other game systems.

Yup, it’s a fantastic argument! Ty!

Spend more time earning wvw levels and pips, and less time spamming these forums.

This ^.

yah only its a 1 liner and its just your opinion, so uh i think no i wont do what you say? ok does that sum it up for you?

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Serenity.6135:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Serenity.6135:

Each player is limited per week in how many tickets they can get, therefore ranks are irrelevant as a rank 1 player can still get the same amount of tickets per week as someone with rank 9k. There are different ways to increase the amount of pips you can get, ranks are only a part of it and it is to reward players who have stuck with the game mode that for years was never as rewarding as pvp or pve.

The rewards are meant to be a longterm goal which is why there is a weekly limit. It is not meant to be farmed in a few days or weeks so people will get bored and leave.

If you dont like it, dont do it, simple as that. There are other ways of acquiring gear. None of the rewards are closed off to you if you actually want to work for them. Any player with a high rank had to earn them, it did not just magically happen and yet you seem to act like you are entitled to everything right away. How about you stop making thread after thread complaining about how this or that is not fair simply because it’s harder for you.

I’m aware of the ticket cap, you didnt address any of my logic, and basically just said if I dont like it, don’t do it.

My point is that its discouraging and puts newer players at a time disadvantage whereas other content does not.

There is no “logic”, its just complaining. Stop acting as if you are some champion for new players, we have seen your other threads. It is just constant complaining with an attitude of self entitlement. We get it, you want it easier and you think its unfair that they rewarded players who actually cared about WvW and not you.

hah acting like you deserve something over other players for (insert any reason here) is entitlement.

Bolded- Funny you say that, because it’s exactly how you’re acting…

You don’t deserve to be in the same position as someone who has been playing the mode. Quit waving your entitlement flag and grind like the rest of the players did.

no for some reason you think that complaining in order to enact change is entitlement. I would be entitled if I had the items in question and then stopped others from getting it. that = entitlement. Trying to change things has nothing to do with entitlement. Tell me throughout history people who protested to change workplace conditions because they were horrible. Were they entitled too? because apparently anyone who complains is entitled according to this logic.

entitlement is that you think you deserve something because you are special and that its your right to have it for whatever reason you make up. If you already have something and then actively try to block others from getting it, the argument you are using is one of entitlement. (its my thing and nobody else can have it, cuz im me or because of x)

Actually, yes.

Where did I say “free”? …Try reading my post fully if you want to respond next time.

This is totally you… “entitlement is that you think you deserve something because you are special”…

Get in there and earn your ranks like the rest of the players. Stop acting like you’re entitled to something you haven’t earned. Also, please stop spamming the forums with pip rage posts.

i never said to give it to me for free? I said to make the grind more reasonable and less dissuasive to play. They’ve set the carrot too high and its unreasonable. entitlement is a word used by those who “have” not the “have nots”

“Everyone should get the same pips for playing in wvw.

You don’t get legendary armor or legendary fractal back piece faster because you have been playing pve for 5 years.

You don’t get the legendary spvp back piece faster because you are rank 80 and played spvp for 5 years.

So why do veteran wvw players, get anything faster? Why do they get exclusive armor that only they can obtain because of high ranks? Nothing else is gated behind high ranks. Entitlement.

Sure hope they add exclusive stuff for “veteran” spvpers and pvers. But I bet they won’t."

Sorry, but the devs made the reward system in wvw to show some love and appreciation to the players who actually played the mode… for years… throughout huge messes and lack of a lot of care for this part of the game…

Get over it…Stop acting entitled just because you didn’t care to participate in wvw before. Stop spamming the forums. Load up the game and play.

great argument/logic there, get over it and just dont complain because you say so, even though i pointed out extremely valid examples of how this system is imbalanced compared to all other game systems.

Yup, it’s a fantastic argument! Ty!

Spend more time earning wvw levels and pips, and less time spamming these forums.

great argument/logic there, get over it and just dont complain because you say so, even though i pointed out extremely valid examples of how this system is imbalanced compared to all other game systems.

Jayne.9251:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jayne.9251:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jayne.9251:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Shazmataz.1423:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108

Your complaining has reached nonsensical proportions.

I totally agree with Jayne. Let it go…for your sanity and everyone elses.

uh no, this community is going to hear the complaints of others

Except it’s just you complaining and really nobody else.

Here’s the thing. You’ve spammed the forum about a piece of cosmetic appearance item that has zero impact whatsoever on your gameplay.

You’ve yet to give a viable reason for your demands, other than “I want it.”

You are representing your server in a very bad light and impacting whether people will transfer there. It’s true. The more you scream and yell about what you want, it makes it seem that’s the only type of player on your server — people who only care about themselves. WvW is a team sport. People out for themselves are not ideal teammates, and deeply impact how WvW is played.

Please stop this.

You have options. Either invest the time, or go find something else.

But please please please stop spamming this forum.

And if you’re doing it in game too, then I encourage other players to report you.

wow what are you the thought police? Censorship much? You say i have 0 arguments. I’ve articulated over 20 different reasons this is a bad decision by anet and yet that amounts to 0 arguments because you say so. Then you threaten to report me? for what I havent done anything to anyone? Might I add that its also abuse/harrasment on the forums to threaten to report someone. All of my arguments are invalid to you because you refuse to read any of them, even though the logic behind them is pretty flawless.

Answer this: Do you NEED this item to play the game? Or any of the new items? If you don’t have these items will you be unable to fairly compete with others who have them?

Please differentiate between want and need.

You’ve yet to provide an answer for this; besides “I want it”

If you are nonstop complaining in map (as you’ve indicated that you do in one of your posts) then it’s considered harassment. And it’s reportable.

no its not reportable to complain in map, but threatening someone in forums is.

no you dont need any of this. But ill use that argument to make my point. You dont need legendary armor you dont need anything in this game to play, you dont even need exotics to play or any armor for that matter.

So what are you arguing against that you just dont like complaining or people to try and change things? I mean with that logic why do the devs even bother to update the game, we dont need updates to play it right?

Thanks for proving my point.

And I’m not threatening you. I’m merely saying if you are abusing people in game the same way you are here, that folks should just report you.

If you aren’t, then there’s nothing to report.

ive been really respectful of everyone, the wvw community however has treated me like animals but whatever im not surprised by that in any way.

i never said it was a required grind, then again almost nothing in this entire game is, so really any complaint about a grind that you hear will always be about an optional grind. I still think it should be changed however.

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Serenity.6135:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Serenity.6135:

Each player is limited per week in how many tickets they can get, therefore ranks are irrelevant as a rank 1 player can still get the same amount of tickets per week as someone with rank 9k. There are different ways to increase the amount of pips you can get, ranks are only a part of it and it is to reward players who have stuck with the game mode that for years was never as rewarding as pvp or pve.

The rewards are meant to be a longterm goal which is why there is a weekly limit. It is not meant to be farmed in a few days or weeks so people will get bored and leave.

If you dont like it, dont do it, simple as that. There are other ways of acquiring gear. None of the rewards are closed off to you if you actually want to work for them. Any player with a high rank had to earn them, it did not just magically happen and yet you seem to act like you are entitled to everything right away. How about you stop making thread after thread complaining about how this or that is not fair simply because it’s harder for you.

I’m aware of the ticket cap, you didnt address any of my logic, and basically just said if I dont like it, don’t do it.

My point is that its discouraging and puts newer players at a time disadvantage whereas other content does not.

There is no “logic”, its just complaining. Stop acting as if you are some champion for new players, we have seen your other threads. It is just constant complaining with an attitude of self entitlement. We get it, you want it easier and you think its unfair that they rewarded players who actually cared about WvW and not you.

hah acting like you deserve something over other players for (insert any reason here) is entitlement.

Bolded- Funny you say that, because it’s exactly how you’re acting…

You don’t deserve to be in the same position as someone who has been playing the mode. Quit waving your entitlement flag and grind like the rest of the players did.

no for some reason you think that complaining in order to enact change is entitlement. I would be entitled if I had the items in question and then stopped others from getting it. that = entitlement. Trying to change things has nothing to do with entitlement. Tell me throughout history people who protested to change workplace conditions because they were horrible. Were they entitled too? because apparently anyone who complains is entitled according to this logic.

entitlement is that you think you deserve something because you are special and that its your right to have it for whatever reason you make up. If you already have something and then actively try to block others from getting it, the argument you are using is one of entitlement. (its my thing and nobody else can have it, cuz im me or because of x)

Actually, yes.

This is totally you… “entitlement is that you think you deserve something because you are special”…

Get in there and earn your ranks like the rest of the players. Stop acting like you’re entitled to something you haven’t earned. Also, please stop spamming the forums with pip rage posts.

i never said to give it to me for free? I said to make the grind more reasonable and less dissuasive to play. They’ve set the carrot too high and its unreasonable. entitlement is a word used by those who “have” not the “have nots”

reddie.5861:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

You wvwers continuously attack and try to tell players who play for rewards that they are doing it wrong. Getting rewards in gw2 is end game and to discourage that type of play is ridiculous. .

because who plays a game for rewards?

getting rewards in gw2 means nice but its not needed is it?

for example give WvW the amulets sPvP has and no1 would need a single piece of gear thus no1 needs rewards and every1 is happy..
if u purely play for WvW or sPvP u shouldnt need rewards to keep u playing, u need fun if u dont have fun u shouldnt be playing to start off with.

u see, i tried PvE i ran rounds i had some website open which raid was spawning i went to all raids i got bored in 2/3 hours next day i tried again same thing.
i simply QUIT doing it cus i hated it. i couldnt care about rewards cus i didnt like it at all so i dumped my ass perma in WvW if i get bored i quit game for few months and i return but i will never return to PvE do u see my point? if i dont like something i dont do it i dont care what rewards one get which are only given to PvE players, i dont care about fancy skins etc i just wanna WvW be it with rewards or without.

oye i forgot to add i wasnt allowed in a single fractal group cus my w/e points where really low, like im going to search for some achievement points? like it shows my skill
so ye i havent seen much of pve world beside what i solo’d but none of it was interesting to me

well by your logic, nobody even needs to play the game, so we should all just not play it and don’t try to change it either because whats the point. Reward are pointless, and not needed. Fun game play is pointless and not needed. and also trying to make the game more reasonable and less grindy (which is what im doing, which results in more “fun” gameplay which is what you say is important) is also pointless.

Swagger.1459:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Serenity.6135:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Serenity.6135:

Each player is limited per week in how many tickets they can get, therefore ranks are irrelevant as a rank 1 player can still get the same amount of tickets per week as someone with rank 9k. There are different ways to increase the amount of pips you can get, ranks are only a part of it and it is to reward players who have stuck with the game mode that for years was never as rewarding as pvp or pve.

The rewards are meant to be a longterm goal which is why there is a weekly limit. It is not meant to be farmed in a few days or weeks so people will get bored and leave.

If you dont like it, dont do it, simple as that. There are other ways of acquiring gear. None of the rewards are closed off to you if you actually want to work for them. Any player with a high rank had to earn them, it did not just magically happen and yet you seem to act like you are entitled to everything right away. How about you stop making thread after thread complaining about how this or that is not fair simply because it’s harder for you.

I’m aware of the ticket cap, you didnt address any of my logic, and basically just said if I dont like it, don’t do it.

My point is that its discouraging and puts newer players at a time disadvantage whereas other content does not.

There is no “logic”, its just complaining. Stop acting as if you are some champion for new players, we have seen your other threads. It is just constant complaining with an attitude of self entitlement. We get it, you want it easier and you think its unfair that they rewarded players who actually cared about WvW and not you.

hah acting like you deserve something over other players for (insert any reason here) is entitlement.

Bolded- Funny you say that, because it’s exactly how you’re acting…

You don’t deserve to be in the same position as someone who has been playing the mode. Quit waving your entitlement flag and grind like the rest of the players did.

no for some reason you think that complaining in order to enact change is entitlement. I would be entitled if I had the items in question and then stopped others from getting it. that = entitlement. Trying to change things has nothing to do with entitlement. Tell me throughout history people who protested to change workplace conditions because they were horrible. Were they entitled too? because apparently anyone who complains is entitled according to this logic.

entitlement is that you think you deserve something because you are special and that its your right to have it for whatever reason you make up. If you already have something and then actively try to block others from getting it, the argument you are using is one of entitlement. (its my thing and nobody else can have it, cuz im me or because of x)

PabbyGaul.9682:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

PabbyGaul.9682:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Ulion.5476:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

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When you bought the game did you believe you would get the legendary armor or a legendary at the start?

No but i thought 3 months to 1 year was reasonable, apparently its not.

#notyourpvecandy

wow great soundbite u really convinced me, truth is i have more candy then you’ll ever get

#lrnhow2gw2

L2p4fun

how about you don’t tell me how to play the game. Gw2 – play your own way. In my opinion anyone who dosent play for rewards its really doing it wrong? I mean isnt that the basis for wvw wanting exclusivity on these items so badly? I mean if its all playing for fun then why do you care about the prestige of the items? Sounds like your fooling yourself and your really playing for the same reasons I am.

reddie.5861:

Final fantasy is not grind
neither is black desert

go back to times mmo’s where actually mmo’s try lineage 2, smashing countless of mobs and not even getting 0.01% on ur xp bar after a full train of mobs, but then u die and u lose 5% or some1 just kills you for the kitten off it and u lose also 5%.

theres no grind in games anymore..

if people wanna go up fast in WvW make a guardian and hold down 1 with a staff this way ull rack up ranks so easy its boring as kitten but ur ranking up like an idiot.

final fantasy 11 is not a grind? LMAO?

somewhatobsessed.6309:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

The amount of wxp gain from getting bags is minimal. Real wxp is gained from karma trains with boosters. Yah im afraid I “get” wvw.

I was referring to player skill, not WXP. Karma trains are just one way to get WXP. I mostly run around solo and +1 in defensive fights as people call them out, and I’m pretty content with the amount of WXP and ranks I gain per session. If running around in blobs spamming autoattack is how you choose to play WvW, fine, but there’s more than one way to play.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Yes anything over 1 year to obtain in an mmo in 2017 is severe, Needing to play wvw 30-40 hours per week to hit ticket cap is severe in 2017. Believe me I know, I used to play ffxi, I know what a real grind looks like.

I don’t know much about FFXI, but I used to play a Korean F2P MMO that forever changed my perspective on the term “grind.” Leveling, drop hunting, skill point farming meant going out and killing the same set of mobs over and over for months (years if you didn’t have the full complement of cash shop items to help you) while competing with other players who also needed to grind those same mobs for their levels/drops/skill points (better pray they don’t just kill you for the spot because, without the appropriate cash shop items, you’ll lose all the progress you just made).

You could also have a pet that would give you an experience gain increase once it reached a certain level, but reaching that level meant more senseless mob farming. You could set up a character to do it AFK but that still meant beating on the same mob 24/7 for almost two full weeks. And you had to feed it every few hours or it would die (not to mention the time it took to go out and harvest enough food for it, on top of your tools wearing out/breaking and having to go back for replacements), and if other players found you, they could kill you/your pet (which meant paying a penalty fee to revive your pet that increased incrementally with each level), and all that just for a minimal exp. boost and the convenience of not having to run around and pick up all of your own loot (another useful pet function).

And that’s just the leveling experience. I won’t get into the nightmare of trying to gear up your character. The point is that, in light of my experiences with that game, if you call the new WvW reward system a “severe grind,” I’m going to politely /laugh in your face.

black desert online? I played it – final fantasy xi was worse

Abjurer.9302:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Seera.5916:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Seera.5916:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

somewhatobsessed.6309:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

im good at wvw, player skill is irrelevant to advancement only time spent increases advancement to rewards this type of mechanic is coded to only this game mode.

If you really believe all this, you don’t understand WvW very well. Bad players = loot bags. Loot bags don’t make much progress.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

rewards ins spvp take 3-6 months
rewards in pve take 3 months to 1 year
rewards in wvw take 5 months – 2 years

Irrelevant.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

wvw – requires no skill and an outrageous grind – having skill gives infinitesimal advantage in terms of advancement to rewards due to the severity of the grind.

Again, if you truly believe this, you don’t understand WvW. If you think it’s an outrageous and severe grind (I firmly disagree), you should find a more enjoyable way to spend your time.

The amount of wxp gain from getting bags is minimal. Real wxp is gained from karma trains with boosters. Yah im afraid I “get” wvw.

Yes anything over 1 year to obtain in an mmo in 2017 is severe, Needing to play wvw 30-40 hours per week to hit ticket cap is severe in 2017. Believe me I know, I used to play ffxi, I know what a real grind looks like.

Newflash: GW2 shipped with the mindset of doing things differently than other MMOs. So while most MMO’s may think in the time frame of 1 year max for their long term goals, GW2 does things differently.

It’s also not unhealthy for an MMO company to think in the greater than 1 year time frame for rewards. Because they want players playing for more than one year.

this game has been committed to low grind < 1 year for any rewards for its entire duration (even in gw1) of existence until the unveiling of this wvw reward system.

Please find me a quote from an ANet staff member where they said that all rewards were to be able to be completed by the average player in under 1 year.

Until then, you’ve pulled that time frame out of thin air and you can’t use it in an argument.

The only thing I recall them saying about grind was that there would be no forced grind. Please tell me how this grind is forced. Am I locked out of Eternal Battlegrounds until I have the armor?

there is no quote that I’m aware of. Yet all rewards were obtainable for the past 15 years in less than a 1 year time frame, except for this new wvw system. So we can assume this is a new trend, and a direction for the game that I’m certainly not pleased with. But yah I suppose they could make new grinds take 5-10 years if they wanted to. Dunno if thats a good idea though, certainly not how they advertised the game.

It definently wasnt advertised as a no required grind game, with Optional 2 years + grinds, because thats now what it is. They stuck with the statement that “nobody likes to grind” giving the impression that this is a low grind game, and indeed it has been all optional grinds have been within reason except for this.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-design-manifesto/

“It doesn’t suck your life away and force you onto a grinding treadmill; it doesn’t make you spend hours preparing to have fun rather than just having fun;”

“Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”

https://youtu.be/FU1JUwPqzQY?t=1m21s

I am a WvW player who collects tonics. This is one of the PVE items that is going to take me years to acquire.

Endless Ley-Line Anomaly Tonic

its obtained in pve, but can be bought on the trading post. Play the trading post in wvw or use a credit card, problem solved. No 2k+ hours required.

Seera.5916:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Seera.5916:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

somewhatobsessed.6309:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

im good at wvw, player skill is irrelevant to advancement only time spent increases advancement to rewards this type of mechanic is coded to only this game mode.

If you really believe all this, you don’t understand WvW very well. Bad players = loot bags. Loot bags don’t make much progress.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

rewards ins spvp take 3-6 months
rewards in pve take 3 months to 1 year
rewards in wvw take 5 months – 2 years

Irrelevant.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

wvw – requires no skill and an outrageous grind – having skill gives infinitesimal advantage in terms of advancement to rewards due to the severity of the grind.

Again, if you truly believe this, you don’t understand WvW. If you think it’s an outrageous and severe grind (I firmly disagree), you should find a more enjoyable way to spend your time.

The amount of wxp gain from getting bags is minimal. Real wxp is gained from karma trains with boosters. Yah im afraid I “get” wvw.

Yes anything over 1 year to obtain in an mmo in 2017 is severe, Needing to play wvw 30-40 hours per week to hit ticket cap is severe in 2017. Believe me I know, I used to play ffxi, I know what a real grind looks like.

Newflash: GW2 shipped with the mindset of doing things differently than other MMOs. So while most MMO’s may think in the time frame of 1 year max for their long term goals, GW2 does things differently.

It’s also not unhealthy for an MMO company to think in the greater than 1 year time frame for rewards. Because they want players playing for more than one year.

this game has been committed to low grind < 1 year for any rewards for its entire duration (even in gw1) of existence until the unveiling of this wvw reward system.

Please find me a quote from an ANet staff member where they said that all rewards were to be able to be completed by the average player in under 1 year.

Until then, you’ve pulled that time frame out of thin air and you can’t use it in an argument.

The only thing I recall them saying about grind was that there would be no forced grind. Please tell me how this grind is forced. Am I locked out of Eternal Battlegrounds until I have the armor?

there is no quote that I’m aware of. Yet all rewards were obtainable for the past 15 years in less than a 1 year time frame, except for this new wvw system. So we can assume this is a new trend, and a direction for the game that I’m certainly not pleased with. But yah I suppose they could make new grinds take 5-10 years if they wanted to. Dunno if thats a good idea though, certainly not how they advertised the game.

It definently wasnt advertised as a no required grind game, with Optional 2 years + grinds, because thats now what it is. They stuck with the statement that “nobody likes to grind” giving the impression that this is a low grind game, and indeed it has been all optional grinds have been within reason except for this.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-design-manifesto/

“It doesn’t suck your life away and force you onto a grinding treadmill; it doesn’t make you spend hours preparing to have fun rather than just having fun;”

“Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”

https://youtu.be/FU1JUwPqzQY?t=1m21s

Seera.5916:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

somewhatobsessed.6309:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

im good at wvw, player skill is irrelevant to advancement only time spent increases advancement to rewards this type of mechanic is coded to only this game mode.

If you really believe all this, you don’t understand WvW very well. Bad players = loot bags. Loot bags don’t make much progress.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

rewards ins spvp take 3-6 months
rewards in pve take 3 months to 1 year
rewards in wvw take 5 months – 2 years

Irrelevant.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

wvw – requires no skill and an outrageous grind – having skill gives infinitesimal advantage in terms of advancement to rewards due to the severity of the grind.

Again, if you truly believe this, you don’t understand WvW. If you think it’s an outrageous and severe grind (I firmly disagree), you should find a more enjoyable way to spend your time.

The amount of wxp gain from getting bags is minimal. Real wxp is gained from karma trains with boosters. Yah im afraid I “get” wvw.

Yes anything over 1 year to obtain in an mmo in 2017 is severe, Needing to play wvw 30-40 hours per week to hit ticket cap is severe in 2017. Believe me I know, I used to play ffxi, I know what a real grind looks like.

Newflash: GW2 shipped with the mindset of doing things differently than other MMOs. So while most MMO’s may think in the time frame of 1 year max for their long term goals, GW2 does things differently.

It’s also not unhealthy for an MMO company to think in the greater than 1 year time frame for rewards. Because they want players playing for more than one year.

this game has been committed to low grind < 1 year for any rewards for its entire duration (even in gw1) of existence until the unveiling of this wvw reward system.

somewhatobsessed.6309:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

im good at wvw, player skill is irrelevant to advancement only time spent increases advancement to rewards this type of mechanic is coded to only this game mode.

If you really believe all this, you don’t understand WvW very well. Bad players = loot bags. Loot bags don’t make much progress.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

rewards ins spvp take 3-6 months
rewards in pve take 3 months to 1 year
rewards in wvw take 5 months – 2 years

Irrelevant.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

wvw – requires no skill and an outrageous grind – having skill gives infinitesimal advantage in terms of advancement to rewards due to the severity of the grind.

Again, if you truly believe this, you don’t understand WvW. If you think it’s an outrageous and severe grind (I firmly disagree), you should find a more enjoyable way to spend your time.

The amount of wxp gain from getting bags is minimal. Real wxp is gained from karma trains with boosters. Yah im afraid I “get” wvw.

Yes anything over 1 year to obtain in an mmo in 2017 is severe, Needing to play wvw 30-40 hours per week to hit ticket cap is severe in 2017. Believe me I know, I used to play ffxi, I know what a real grind looks like.

Shazmataz.1423:

Here’s an idea then. If you spent as much time in wvw as you do arguing you would have many ranks by now lol….get off the forum and just go play! Which is what Anet intended.

i am playing while i type on forums all while yelling at ppl in wvw as well

Shazmataz.1423:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108

Your complaining has reached nonsensical proportions.

I totally agree with Jayne. Let it go…for your sanity and everyone elses.

uh no, this community is going to hear the complaints of others

somewhatobsessed.6309:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

oh ok well lets take it in terms of spvp then. That requires 10x the skill of wvw. Yet there rewards are on par w/pve rewards. So then why is wvw so special?.

On the contrary, I would say that PvP rewards are on par with the type of game mode that PvP is. If you’re exceptionally good at it, you’ll advance quickly and get your rewards faster and possibly better rewards than casuals. If you’re exceptionally bad, however, you may not advance at all and might find yourself having to grind through terrible match after terrible match to get whatever it is you’re after. Sure, someone who has never PvPed before could jump in tomorrow and work on The Ascension, but he might have to invest more time than someone who has competed in the Pro League. WvW isn’t special, it’s just different.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

I think the team did a terrible job implementing the spacing of rewards. You hit 1k which is doable u get all those ranks and then there is a gap of 500-1000 ranks before u get stuff. Seems very short sided to me.

I just reached rank 1k. There are plenty of rewards that I can collect while I earn my ranks for the Mistforged set (the T2, the Hero’s and Mistforged Hero’s weapons, maybe start Warbringer if I feel like it). If all you care about is that 2k chest, then you’re playing WvW for the wrong reasons.

right so im good at spvp where is my shortcut, only player skill increases my advancement to rewards no such mechanic in place to shorten time to rewards. the gain from player skill is moderate at best.

im good at pve, only player skill increases my advancement to rewards no such mechanic in place to shorten time to rewards. the gain from player skill is minimal at best.

im good at wvw, player skill is irrelevant to advancement only time spent increases advancement to rewards this type of mechanic is coded to only this game mode.

rewards ins spvp take 3-6 months
rewards in pve take 3 months to 1 year
rewards in wvw take 5 months – 2 year

spvp – requires some skill, and nominal grind – having skill gives some advantage
pve – reqires no skill and a nominal grind – having skill gives some advantage
wvw – requires no skill and an outrageous grind – having skill gives infinitesimal advantage in terms of advancement to rewards due to the severity of the grind.

somewhatobsessed.6309:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Rank 2K takes 1 1/2 to 2 years. Legend armor takes 3-6 months. So no its not on par with other game modes. If u hit ticket cap each week the backpack takes 4 1/2 months not 2 months.

It doesn’t need to be ‘on par." WvW is not a hit-it-and-quit-it game mode like 99% of PvE. It’s a long-term goal for long-term players of a long-term game mode, and I think the team did a great job at spacing out the rewards and rank requirements.

Like I told you elsewhere, if you’d started back when the WvW team announced they were working on a rewards update, you’d be halfway there by now. You didn’t and now you’re behind. Oh well, lesson learned.

Also, it looks infinitely better than legendary armor, so it should take longer to acquire.

oh ok well lets take it in terms of spvp then. That requires 10x the skill of wvw. Yet there rewards are on par w/pve rewards. So then why is wvw so special? I think the team did a terrible job implementing the spacing of rewards. You hit 1k which is doable u get all those ranks and then there is a gap of 500-1000 ranks before u get stuff. Seems very short sided to me.

PabbyGaul.9682:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Ulion.5476:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

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When you bought the game did you believe you would get the legendary armor or a legendary at the start?

No but i thought 3 months to 1 year was reasonable, apparently its not.

#notyourpvecandy

wow great soundbite u really convinced me, truth is i have more candy then you’ll ever get

#lrnhow2gw2

azyume.6321:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Oh really, so If i play spvp, and I’m rank 80 because I put in so many hours, and your rank 1 cuz you don’t play spvp. I should technically get my legendary backpiece 4-5x quicker then you right (and I mean quicker as in i get 3-4x the amount of rewards then you do for doing the same thing you are)? Oh waitttttt thats not how that works right…… even though i put all that effort in prior right?

Guess what?? You do get the The Ascension faster than a new player. Wanna know why? Let’s list:

1) Players only have access to Ranked mode once they are rank 20 or higher;

can be attained in 1 day, not even remotely comparable to the 40 hrs needed per week to hit ticket cap or the 2 years needed to buy the armor.

azyume.6321:

2) Veterans of the PvP mode knows how conquest format works;

That has nothing to do with anything. What if you play conquest every day but you suck really bad? How then would knowing how it works help at all? How does knowing how wvw work help to grind 40 hrs per week to ticket cap or to get to rank 2000 in a reasonable time frame? According to your argument if i “know” how spvp works then i should technically just Get things faster because that information is in my brain. I’m talking about mechanics that were coded by devs not individuals awareness of knowledge or their skill level.

azyume.6321:

3) Long term players are aware of builds, skills, game play and, hopefully, map awareness;

exact same argument as number 2 it has nothing to do with anything. Yes i agree with you someone who knows how to play the game well will most likely get things faster, but the argument is based on mechanics that arenanet has programmed not what players can do.

azyume.6321:

4) Veterans have a higher chance of landing on gold or higher in divisions thus gaining more pips for winning a match;

same argument as above! Oh veterans have a higher chance on gold or higher divisions? Really how is this so? So your saying that I am a “veteran” because i play spvp for 2k hours. So because I play for 2k hours that means what? I automatically get gold or higher division by standing there? Because i am a “veteran” and I play 2k hours and thats how anet CODED it?

azyume.6321:

5) Players have been rewarded with a tracker which can give gold, mats and clovers, necessary items for legendary creation

is this even an argument? What are you trying to say here? what does gold have to d with anything, you can earn gold by playing the trading post? Mats and clovers by playing pve,wvw, or spvp. I don’t get it?

By the time a new player starts playing Ranked games and, perhaps, winning PiPs, veteran players will be, at least, 1/3 ahead of them on the making.

How do you know this. What is your definition of a “veteran” in code/mechanics? WHat if i played 10k hours in spvp but i suck horribly. Its possible. SO then where are my rewards for being a “veteran” (ie playing 10k hours) but i Suck at the game mode, so the game is coded to give me more rewards simply because i am a “veteran” RIGHT? No thats not how it works though so see theres the comparison when you compare it to wvw rank/reward mechanics.

Using ur same logic to wvw = I am a god in wvw im the best there is, but i am only rank 500 so then why cant i purchase the armor? why cant i use my skill to get pips faster? oh thats cuz im not a “veteran” (ie played to rank 2000)

Ulion.5476:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

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When you bought the game did you believe you would get the legendary armor or a legendary at the start?

No but i thought 3 months to 1 year was reasonable, apparently its not.

Seera.5916:

There are these things called long term goals. Maybe ANet wanted some things to be long term goals in the game and not short term ones.

That they wanted something that WvW vets could show as an indicator that they have put forth the time and effort to get the item.

And maybe they wanted the weekly cap to be higher than what the average player would get so that most players would always have the motivation to play longer so that they could get more rewards rather than just enough to reach the cap.

Nothing ANet does will be liked by all of the player base. Just because you and others don’t like it, doesn’t mean it has to change.

nope certainly dosent have to change, but the path were headed down is that of a grindy korean mmo i guess if u like that sort of thing. Its also pretty lame that other game modes dont really track dedication (time spent) as much as wxp does for wvwers.

I’m also far from alone in thinking this is dissuasive to continuous wvw play. Here’s gw2 veteran “that_shamans” opinion of it:

https://twitter.com/that_shaman/status/876914343299952641

Seera.5916:

ANet can choose to reward players who have put in the TIME to reach a certain rank. Regardless of whether or not skill is required. It is not unfair to anyone for ANet to reward players who have spent TIME playing WvW to gain ranks.

It in no way dissuades people from playing WvW that were truly interested in playing WvW. Those it dissuades were likely people looking for an excuse to stop playing it or to not play it.

my thought process on seeing rewards = “oh cool that looks neat” – “cool maybe they will do some stuff for wvw i like wvw, i think I will play again to earn that” "I’m sure the grind for it will be within reason like all the other rewards in game 3months – 1 year. " “should be fun ill play wvw maybe it will be like tournaments again how exciting” “wow 2 years for the rank 2k” “wow 40 hrs per week to hit ticket cap” “lol screw this” “hope they dont do this to other game modes” “great is this now a grind game” “what is anet thinking, this is not what they sold us on when I bought the game” “this means the game is dying and they arent making new stuff with antics like this” “wow wvw veterans are defening this, why would they do this?” “oh thats right they already are rank 2k and they are selfish so they dont care cuz they already have it” “more insults from wvwers the usual, wow this community is inconsiderate of others” – Now we’re at the present.

Jayne.9251:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jayne.9251:

The good news is that we’re down to just one guy creating multiple threads/posts.

Yah cuz they already quit, keep dissuading and berating new players and gw2 vets who say that the new reward system is dissuasive and demotivating to continuous wvw play, which it is. Should do wonders for the wvw population. Saturday 2 weeks after patch on tier 1 and 2 borderlands are outmanned.

Oh that’s cos you’re on Desolation… Er, I mean Blackgate.

Yah u know black gate the one that consistently has the highest wvw population compared to other servers and yet its outnumbered on 2 maps on a Saturday. The one that wins 1st because of our high population.

azyume.6321:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Oh really, so If i play spvp, and I’m rank 80 because I put in so many hours, and your rank 1 cuz you don’t play spvp. I should technically get my legendary backpiece 4-5x quicker then you right (and I mean quicker as in i get 3-4x the amount of rewards then you do for doing the same thing you are)? Oh waitttttt thats not how that works right…… even though i put all that effort in prior right?

Guess what?? You do get the The Ascension faster than a new player. Wanna know why? Let’s list:

1) Players only have access to Ranked mode once they are rank 20 or higher;

2) Veterans of the PvP mode knows how conquest format works;

3) Long term players are aware of builds, skills, game play and, hopefully, map awareness;

4) Veterans have a higher chance of landing on gold or higher in divisions thus gaining more pips for winning a match;

5) Players have been rewarded with a tracker which can give gold, mats and clovers, necessary items for legendary creation

By the time a new player starts playing Ranked games and, perhaps, winning PiPs, veteran players will be, at least, 1/3 ahead of them on the making.

Lol this is hilarious. Ur comparing player skill and what a player can do to a hard coded mechanic put in by anet, u realize this right?

Deihnyx.6318:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

No the 2K requirement is still total bs mindless grindfest which should be brought within reason.

First the backpack is only 350, which you can honestly reach within a month or two without killing yourself, so it’s on par with the other modes.
For the 2K armor, sure it’s a grind but on par with the grind we had to go through with pve raids, and you need tickets anyway, so even if they would lower that you would still not get it in shorter time.

You’re gonna have to rank up no matter what, that part is the dedication and dedication is what is locking these rewards. There is nothing wrong with that. The weekly reset/timegate is the only real bad stuff.

Rank 2K takes 1 1/2 to 2 years. Legend armor takes 3-6 months. So no its not on par with other game modes. If u hit ticket cap each week the backpack takes 4 1/2 months not 2 months.

Jayne.9251:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Jayne.9251:

Sarrs.4831:

This is still going? Have the arguments gone anywhere or are we circling around?

We seem to have moved on from the 2K armour requests to the pips now.

I consider that progress.

No the 2K requirement is still total bs mindless grindfest which should be brought within reason. It shows Anet’s intent of long term abandonment of the game mode.

Shhh, let it go.

Let it go.

I actually feel it’s Anet’s investment in the longterm health of the game.

What it indicates is a long term solution most likely due to them not wanting to implement any new content in wvw. That’s what it means in most mmos. It also is an indication of abandonment of the game mode or at very least a large content drought associated with the game mode in the near future. This Is the reason I protest this.

Jayne.9251:

The good news is that we’re down to just one guy creating multiple threads/posts.

Yah cuz they already quit, keep dissuading and berating new players and gw2 vets who say that the new reward system is dissuasive and demotivating to continuous wvw play, which it is. Should do wonders for the wvw population. Saturday 2 weeks after patch on tier 1 and 2 borderlands are outmanned.

You wvwers continuously attack and try to tell players who play for rewards that they are doing it wrong. Getting rewards in gw2 is end game and to discourage that type of play is ridiculous. You also continuously ignore any complaint from new players or veteran gw2 players that suggest that the new system is “dissuasive” which it is. But u know keep ignoring it and shutting it down, should do wonders for the wvw population.

Djinn.9245:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

If you look at the health bars, you will see that none of them are being damaged; they are “fighting”, not fighting. Cats play with each other by jumping and clawing on each other. (Heck, my cat likes to do that with me, even after training.)

In addition, this is a game in which people take “pets” into combat, sentient frogs fight each other, one of the playable races experiments on semi-sentient rats, and some Earth-like animals routinely go after other Earth-like animals. If you love animals so much that it hurts you to see them behaving like animals, this might not be the game for you.

Your Home Instance is supposed to be your Home instance, not some random part of the game.

But your answer is suck it up or leave the game? Wow.

I agree that there should be controls to allow you to turn on or off any of the things you have added to your instance. As the OP said, it isn’t possible to actually experience these things inside the instance until you’ve added them.

This is how everyone behaves nowadays they act like complaining about something in order to induce change is the worst thing in the world, and as such the love it or leave it logic comes into play. No I think we’ll continue to complain until it’s fixed while everyone else sits back lazy and doesn’t try to make anything better ever.

Seera.5916:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

No u ignore all logic so it’s worse then trolling. Simple fact is I am correct In my argument. I don’t post arguments that can be invalidated. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t make my argument any less valid. The arguments I assert in this thread are 100% true and doesn’t matter if u don’t agree with it it’s a fact.

There is nothing as egregious as the new wvw system and there is nothing in game that it’s comparable to in terms of sheer grind and time spent. My main objection is the direction of the development of the game as a whole. I prefer games that reward skill but apparently you all love low skill high grind games. If u guys want the game to become a mindless grindfest then your all doing a very good job of that. If your all pleased with the new system then so be it, but I can tell u that it dissuades all new players and a lot of veteran players. But if u don’t care about that then by all means.

Because you said so is not a reason our arguments aren’t valid. They are valid. Just because you don’t like them, doesn’t mean they are suddenly not valid. Because guess what: this game does not revolve around you.

And guess what, this system doesn’t dissuade me from playing WvW and for WvW purposes, I’m a new player. My 5 ranks come from doing map completion from back when that was required to get the Gift of Exploration. I’d kill sentries, get blood lust, and take camps that I ran into if possible. Because killing NPC’s is the same between PvE and WvW.

I realize that I chose to not play WvW and therefore am not given the bonus for being a veteran of WvW. And should I choose to one day play WvW, I will eventually get the ranks required to get more PIPS.

I don’t like competitive play is the reason I don’t play WvW. They could give out legendary weapons and 100 gold every time you captured SMC and I wouldn’t play WvW.

Only against my argument they aren’t valid when I say there is nothing comparable to the amount of grind in this new system compared to anything else or the fact that rewards are locked behind 2K hours of gameplay. That’s a fact. When I say this is a shift in what Anet promised customers as to low grind gameplay and that this new system is a betrayal of that value, it’s a fact.

You can say that you like the new system, but u can’t argue that what I’m saying isn’t true. Your arguments aren’t valid because you are arguing against logic which is based on facts and your countering with nonsense like saying that there are other systems that are comparable to wvw reward system, which there isn’t.

Jayne.9251:

Sarrs.4831:

This is still going? Have the arguments gone anywhere or are we circling around?

We seem to have moved on from the 2K armour requests to the pips now.

I consider that progress.

No the 2K requirement is still total bs mindless grindfest which should be brought within reason. It shows Anet’s intent of long term abandonment of the game mode.

No u ignore all logic so it’s worse then trolling. Simple fact is I am correct In my argument. I don’t post arguments that can be invalidated. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t make my argument any less valid. The arguments I assert in this thread are 100% true and doesn’t matter if u don’t agree with it it’s a fact.

There is nothing as egregious as the new wvw system and there is nothing in game that it’s comparable to in terms of sheer grind and time spent. My main objection is the direction of the development of the game as a whole. I prefer games that reward skill but apparently you all love low skill high grind games. If u guys want the game to become a mindless grindfest then your all doing a very good job of that. If your all pleased with the new system then so be it, but I can tell u that it dissuades all new players and a lot of veteran players. But if u don’t care about that then by all means.

Your all total trolls if u can’t read plainly what I wrote in the op. There is nothing in this game except wvw reward system which locks rewards behind 2000 hours of game mode specific gameplay.

There is no mechanic in game which translates hours played into a massive reduction of weekly hours required to earn rewards. Everything I have been posting are analogies and examples of how this doesn’t exist in any other game mode.

They need to add these systems of game mode specific dedication to pve and spvp which translates into exclusive rewards or more profitable/efficient rewards for dedicated players in order to balance it out (which I hope they don’t because then the game will be a grind fest.) Or remove the grind and ridiculous requirements from wvw since this game was marketed as a no/low grind mmo.

Firebaall.5127:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Ok if u think population is a huge issue and u want to change the subject of my thread from focusing on pips rewarded via rank, to which server is 1st, 2nd or 3rd and whether they should get pips and how many.

My opinion – no i dont think they should get more rewards for winning since population inbalance is rampant. If it was balanced then sure. It’s a nice idea and they are trying to make it so that people who cap a ton or win zerg vs zerg tends to win the weekly matchup. But when you throw in 2v1 collusion between servers and the fact that larger servers field zergs 24/7 then yah its not fair. so then make everyone get 2 pips for each tick as a baseline just for playing and problem solved.

You can’t even keep what you say straight.

You literally said you were fine with the warscore bonus. And looking from what server you’re on, it makes sense. You’re motivated by self-serving greed and nothing more. Go away.

lol u didnt read what i just wrote. “so then make everyone get 2 pips for each tick as a baseline just for playing and problem solved.” until they fix population imbalances.

what are u talking about? stop trying to change the subject of the thread. you should go away.

Chaba.5410:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

But since i played in pve for 7k hours I should get that 4-5x as fast as someone who did not play pve, even though we are both starting out in fractals and on the same page. And we run fractals the same amount in the same party together.

But you do! If you have already done enough other PvE to fill out your Fractal masteries with the XP gain and mastery points, those give extra rewards when playing Fractals, not to mention higher magic find % from AP reward chests. I’m sorry you do not understand PvE either.

really so I get more time gated fractal journal pages per day then wvwers? The mastery points allow me to skip a few achievements needed to craft the backpiece? They also just straight up reward me with items like globs of dark matter so that i can craft it faster? I also just have to do less fractals per week (which translates to hours per week) then the wvwer to obtain it? Also what pieces of the legendary backpiece exactly are gated behind mastery points or 2k hours of pve play?

Also in comparison to time how much time would u say it takes to max out fractal masteries compared to rank 2k in wvw?