aka. “The Complainer”
What about the zerg fights where you have plenty of bodies in front or you while you deal zerker style damage from safety? That is not exactly avoiding death by using superior skill :P
So standing in the back of the zerg with lots of bodies in front of you with full sentinel stats is more skill?
aka. “The Complainer”
when you play in full zerker, it is extremly risky in wvw, and it should be highly rewarding as well if you can avoid death by using superior skill.
In most instances, power + Prec + ferocity does reward skillful play with quick kills, especially against those who don’t stack vitality or toughness.
However when someone with full zerk stats comes up against anyone with Vit + Tough builds, the damage mitigation is to hi. Zerk damage against someone with full Sentinel stats is mitigated by about 1/5th. Since these builds are basically polar opposites of one another you would think the mitigation would be 1/2 right in the middle, but instead its mitigated by way too much.
Builds that use Vit + Tough are overpowered in that they can still take an additional stat and be effective like condi or Power. Either Zerker needs a buff (power/prec/feroc) or vit/tough stats need a nerf.
playing a risky squishy build, should be handsomely rewarded as it requires the most skill, and instead it is often outperformed by someone playing a tanky class who makes a ton of mistakes and spams the 1 skill.
aka. “The Complainer”
I even asked the admins politely the first 5 times and they outright refused when I said “can I please get manually verified.” This is now the reaction you see from me due to this. But how nice that you all agree with exclusionary behavior that occurs in a vacuum and is even counter to what admins publically state they are willing to do.
aka. “The Complainer”
Actually, you are showing the rest of the servers that your argument isn’t valid.
You know why the admins won’t manually verify you.
Also, I am not sure about the BG team speak setup, but at least one other server established their TS to auto kick people when their API showed they moved to another server. This prevented them from getting verified and leaving while still being in the TS.
It made the admins job a little easier. Heaven forbid.
Well they advertise that they manually verify and everyone on here says they do and when u ask they refuse lol.
aka. “The Complainer”
Its really aparent u guys will defend anything, no matter how ridiculous. First you say its not a problem just get manually verified, when I say I cant do that, Im told its MY fault, and not the system the admins set up and also claimed that there are options to getting on TS (which there are not).
And if i dont like it, its my fault and I deserve to be excluded lol. Do you ever read what you guys type on here or do u just pick the opposite argument and go with that. Soon you’ll be saying the sky is green because someone insists its blue.
If its such a big issue, manually verify me and ill drop it. I mean its not like its that much effort to manually verify a couple of people. The blame is on them, since they even have a lobby saying (manual verification) and they claim to be so flexible that they can surely do that as an alternative. Sorry you guys don’t like it that I point out hypocrisies in a rigged/corrupt system.
aka. “The Complainer”
Oh I see so when admins are so petty and lazy to not do their job of manual verification it must be my fault. You guys must all love following rules a lot.
aka. “The Complainer”
Yeah, your rant is pointless, It’s a private server, the admins can do what they want, and considering that you cant find someone to manually verify you, kinda says more about you than the rest of the admins.
Nice advocate the exclusion of others, seems nice. How nice to side with the excluders. Sorry you don’t like me complaining about that, I mean how dare I, I’m clearly evil and in the wrong. The ones who are lazy, hypocritical, exclusionary and mean, Yah they are the good guys. And also more then just me having this problem, clearly it’s something that only affects me and certainly not all the other people it also affects as well.
Once again, private server, admin’s rules, its not a difficult concept. But please continue trying to play the martyr.
Right private server which extends into entry into 99% of all squads on BG, which then exclude people due to said private servers rules. So now said private servers rules bleed into Anet’s game. I’ll keep pointing out how ridiculous this situation is thanks.
aka. “The Complainer”
Yeah, your rant is pointless, It’s a private server, the admins can do what they want, and considering that you cant find someone to manually verify you, kinda says more about you than the rest of the admins.
Nice advocate the exclusion of others, seems nice. How nice to side with the excluders. Sorry you don’t like me complaining about that, I mean how dare I, I’m clearly evil and in the wrong. The ones who are lazy, hypocritical, exclusionary and mean, Yah they are the good guys. And also more then just me having this problem, clearly it’s something that only affects me and certainly not all the other people it also affects as well.
aka. “The Complainer”
I think you misunderstood the Commander. The Blackgate TS has an auto-verify function that allows you to instantly join, but it requires you to be Rank 50 to do so. That cuts down on spies. You can still verify under Rank 50, but you’ll need to chat with a TS Admin to do so. Not worth getting into the whole TS vs. Discord debate; TS is the chat tool of choice for BG.
It also requires you to give out your api key, and people who speculate heavily on tp might not want people viewing there account info or any other info for that matter (even though it’s read only).
I have yet to hear of any logical argument t as to why keeping players out of TS using any method prevents spying.
Api key to verify your on blackgate, you can have another account on that you use for the api key and ur main acct is on another server.
Being rank 50 in wvw – ez just rank up to lvl 50 on ur bg acct and then ur in TS
Also you can just not be in TS and just look at the map to see where 99% of all players are, no TS required.
So having restrictions on TS doesn’t really prevent spying at all, and I wonder how many legit BG players have been barred from joining TS because of this. I bet it’s way more then potential spies it’s stopped.
This also causes exclusion of new players since most commanders want TS and kick u from squad if your not in it, so again it excludes anyone under rank 50 making new players probably not want to play at all.
This is an awful system and whoever thought of it should change it.
I am sure it he said “cuts down” and not “prevent”. Prevent is 100% while cutdown is to make life slightly harder for the spy. Sure, you can get around the system by making your main transfer there and then auth it then transfer out. Still, that would means the spy would have to spend gems to do that, if he willing to go through all that, good for him. To put it in layman term, it is called deterrence.
API allow you to choose the information you want to share. TP permission is separated from server permission so your argument is not true. Furthermore, if you are so bothered about privacy, then as he mentioned, you can contact an admin and do a real time verification.
Your argument to me makes me rolling my eyes. Base on your argument, we should not have police since having police doesn’t really prevent crime. =)
Well this is all true what you have written except for the fact that I talked to 2 admins who completely refused to manually verify me even though I was standing in front of them, so you can see how stubborn and troll like these admins are. And yes I do not want to give out any aspect of my api key for my own reasons.
Also psychologically someone who is attempting to spy cares about wvw very much, enough to go out of their way to spy. So hitting rank 50 or buying an alt account would be trivial given how much motivation they would have to spy since they are so involved with the gamemode. So really these restrictions could easily be overcome by someone who wants to spy but can easily dissuade new players who are just trying to participate or figure out what wvw is.
Seems like it cuts down on new players being able to participate rather then preventing highly motivated spies who are dedicated to the game mode and are wvw vets.
aka. “The Complainer”
Oh wow, somebody better let BGWC know they’ve got a rank 700 that can’t be bothered following basic instructions posted right on the channel wants to turn things around for their server!
Just teach em a lesson and transfer
I can follow the instructions, I don’t want to they are pointless. And Yah go ahead and change the subject since you have no argument against what I said and you know I’m right lol.
aka. “The Complainer”
create a key that doesn’t have those permissions. your privacy concern is frankly far beyond ridiculous in this context.
No I don’t think I’ll do that, I don’t want any information being given out, I think admins should do there job of manually verifying and stop being lazy. Since other then verifying people they really have nothing else to do.
aka. “The Complainer”
Oh I don’t want to counter your point lol? OK.
Yes, that’s right. It took me prodding a second time two days later after you skipped my post for Celsith’s before you responded. LOL.
No wonder no one wants you on their TS server or in their squad. “Oh hey people still rob and steal from others so why not leave the locks undone at your house too?”
oh u didnt address any of my points though.
Lemme repost for you: “Oh hey people still rob and steal from others so why not leave the locks undone at your house too?”
Putting all of these restrictions on TS to “prevent” spying in wvw, is a akin to locking a door to keep criminals out, but all of the criminals have the key to the door anyway.
in addition, the “key” to getting into TS is using your API key which reveals information that some might not want to share. If I am a legit player dealing with a ton of Trading Post transactions, I might not want others to see whats in my bank or inventory. Likewise, if my account is valuable (Because I am a legit BG player who’s characters/main account is on BG) I might not want my api key or any of its associated read only data given to anyone.
Now if i was a spy and this was my alt account I wouldnt care at all about giving my API key out because my account would have almost nothing on it.
This illustrates how it actually excludes real players that are on BG rather then spies who have the intent to just enter TS.
None of this address how you can just simply create an alt account and just stare at the map which is much more efficient for spying rather then listening in to TS in the first place. This fact alone shows that excluding on TS is pointless and really only hurts legitimate players on BG (with valuable main accounts) whom do not wish to share their API keys.
aka. “The Complainer”
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This is not true, I tried to do the traditional method of getting on the ts manually and letting an admin verify me manually, and was told that they indeed could see that I was on BG (was standing in front of them) and I am rank 700 and they said no you need to use the api key like everyone else, we won’t manually add you. So it really is exclusionary and petty.
And you can call me a troll if u want but it doesn’t change the truth about what I was told or that this system is silly and pointless, and you also didn’t address how any of these nonsensical steps to get into TS stop people from spying. But Yah I’m the troll. Right.
BG is a very large server, but players do leave it. How would a TS administrator know who left in order to remove their access? Before API keys were implemented, one of the things done on my server’s TS to handle the issue was a complete purge of the entire membership group every few months. It meant that everyone had to be manually re-verified which was a big headache to both users and administrators. It also meant that people who were not supposed to have access because they left could still use it for a rather long time without anyone knowing any better, which opens up the potential for spying. Very nice that those days are over with the auto-verify feature. It helps ensure that the membership group stays up-to-date with transfers in and out.
Oh I don’t want to counter your point lol? OK.
How would a TS server admin know if someone has left BG? Either they wouldn’t or they would have to reverify everyone mannually. What your basically saying is that they don’t want to do it mannually because they are lazy, which I don’t see how that’s my problem. If they don’t want to do the work then they shouldn’t be admins.
Secondly they should think about what they are trying to accomplish. Why do they even feel the need to remove players from TS after they have changed servers.? It is so easy to spy on wvw that blocking people from entering. TS prevents nothing, people can still spy by looking at the map or creating alt accounts to bypass their attempts to block entry into TS itself, so it’s a total exercise in futility. It only really serves to block legitimate players like myself and others.
Admins are so petty they would rather argue with me about how I should gain entry into TS the “proper way” for an hour then spend 5 seconds to grant access to a know BG rank 700 player. This level of stubborness shows that they are only really interested in trolling players and lording their power as TS admins like little rule following demigods.
aka. “The Complainer”
U will get 10x better at wvw if you spvp for awhile. If you wvw you’ll only get marginally better at wvw. If you wvw you won’t get any better at spvp. Pve doesn’t really help at all.
aka. “The Complainer”
I think you misunderstood the Commander. The Blackgate TS has an auto-verify function that allows you to instantly join, but it requires you to be Rank 50 to do so. That cuts down on spies. You can still verify under Rank 50, but you’ll need to chat with a TS Admin to do so. Not worth getting into the whole TS vs. Discord debate; TS is the chat tool of choice for BG.
It also requires you to give out your api key, and people who speculate heavily on tp might not want people viewing there account info or any other info for that matter (even though it’s read only).
I have yet to hear of any logical argument t as to why keeping players out of TS using any method prevents spying.
Api key to verify your on blackgate, you can have another account on that you use for the api key and ur main acct is on another server.
Being rank 50 in wvw – ez just rank up to lvl 50 on ur bg acct and then ur in TS
Also you can just not be in TS and just look at the map to see where 99% of all players are, no TS required.
So having restrictions on TS doesn’t really prevent spying at all, and I wonder how many legit BG players have been barred from joining TS because of this. I bet it’s way more then potential spies it’s stopped.
This also causes exclusion of new players since most commanders want TS and kick u from squad if your not in it, so again it excludes anyone under rank 50 making new players probably not want to play at all.
This is an awful system and whoever thought of it should change it.
aka. “The Complainer”
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I have 2 comments about this, not that i condone saying the R word or that its funny.
1) if you ban people from saying certain words and stifle their ability to express themselves, they will come up with new words which mean the exact same thing.
2) I’ve seen endless amounts of people use the word “cancer” (in fact its not even blocked by the chat filter) just as much as the R-word, jokingly, and yet everyone who is offended by the R-word seems extremely dismissive of referring to something or someone as being “cancer.” Cancer is a word which evokes all sorts of horrible memories for lots of people, (most likely for more people then the R-word) so censorship of the R-word in light of this does feel hypocritical.
aka. “The Complainer”
I thought wvwers play for fun and not rewards? who cares about tickets right?
That is correct. Hope you have a good day!
thats funny because what I see is that once everyone finishes diamond chest by Sunday, all of wvw completely clears out, because they got their rewards.
You might be correct.
Or people play a lot on the weekend like always and reduce play time during the week. But year old trends are obviously not something that someone who hasn’t played the mode since tournaments would understand.
yah because thats just such a complicated concept…
aka. “The Complainer”
I thought wvwers play for fun and not rewards? who cares about tickets right?
That is correct. Hope you have a good day!
thats funny because what I see is that once everyone finishes diamond chest by Sunday, all of wvw completely clears out, because they got their rewards.
aka. “The Complainer”
I thought wvwers play for fun and not rewards? who cares about tickets right?
aka. “The Complainer”
Personally I’d go with full zerker and the #1 skill.
aka. “The Complainer”
I spend my time in BG assuring that everyone has a pleasant time in team chat.
aka. “The Complainer”
Pretty funny that wvwers think they are > pvers lol.
aka. “The Complainer”
Yes it really is about numbers, this Is why BG wins every week. It’s also evident when one server faces a 2v1, which is a situation that is unwinnable, due to the combined servers superior numbers.
aka. “The Complainer”
Was a really bad Nerf, I hope they undo it.
aka. “The Complainer”
PIPs we’re pretty easy to get and now are even easier. Why complain now?
I already got my diamond for the week.
And that’s with my server, getting butt-blasted all weekend. 121 times in 3rd place in the ticks. lol.
I’m not complaining I think the change is great, I’m wondering what all of the detractors who opposed this change think about it, and I’m wondering how its affected them?
aka. “The Complainer”
I think I need to share this post with my guildmates, this amount of good laught is too much for me to just keep it to myself
I think our commanders will have especially good laught at the fields part XD
PS. if you tag around an organized zerg without beign plugged in to their voice you will be to busy trying to follow the commander and trying to figure out what he is intending to do next, and there is no way for you to actually see those fields in all the visual clutter asisting big clashes – not to mention to actually be able to tell them apart and drop another proper one to not screw people out by coverign their field with different one [although tandoms tagging around with zergs droppign random fields in random moments could be a reason why commanders are using those combos less than they used to in the past]
PPS. you do not need to be able to actually talk on those voice comms – just to be able to hear what commander is saying is all you need so argument about people being “exclusive” just to “few chosen ones” basing on TS requirement is unfair and untrue – and if you can’t afford having ts running in so you can hear commander then I’d say that it’s just zerging that is not for you – but hey there is still plenty of roles on the field you can perform without participating in organised zergs [also there are plenty of open squads organised specially for amassing “lone” people (at least on my server link) – sure efficiency of those will be much lower then properly organised groups, but it’s not like they didn’t exist]
PPPS. as for taggign and squads – last time I checked there was no system in place to prioritise any squads over anyone else when “tagging” enemies for loot is involved – you’ve hit the guy enought, you are eligible for exp and loot.
well yah your showing that you actively exclude others, simply because you can for whatever reason you want, in a game mode which requires cooperative play. Seem like a valid issue that anet would want to look into. And its not like im telling these players to message me all these horror stories about bullying and exclusion in wvw from commanders, they come to me after reading threads like this.
I can see by your flippant attitude that you basically think its funny and that you support it. Id say anet needs to make it so that being in a squad gives no benefit over being outside of a squad, and this post is proof enough of that. As a veteran player myself, make no mistake it would be extremly simple for me to “fit in” to your zerg, do what you say, log into TS, play the game the way you want me to play it. But i don’t want too, can you blame me, why would I want to conform to anything that even remotely resembles what you want? Now imagine if i wasn’t as skilled, that would be enough to make me quit the game mode entirely, which is what many do. Yet you guys ask for and wish for new players, which is baffling given this behavior.
wvw is a game mode which primarily relies on zerg/squad based play, and then anet gives commanders full control to whatever they want as they see fit, which also includes the bullying and exclusion of others and then they decide to make being out of a squad a detriment. This behavior is not surprising, what is surprising is that in order to enjoy the game mode properly, you have to conform and put up with others behavior. I really hope anet changes squad mechanics in wvw to make them not so impactful to successful wvw play.
aka. “The Complainer”
All i said was they should up the amount of pips we get so it dosent take so long to hit weekly ticket cap
Nope, you said you were fine with 1 pip for third place, etc. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Feedback-Pip-Acquisition-merged/page/10#post6629239
yah I’m ok with 1 pip for rank 3, but figured they could just give us more pips from something else, which is what they did, its still 1 pip for third place, but everyone now gets 2 more pips so now it says 3 pips for tier 3. Skirmish rank pips are increased but still distributed relatively the same as before so its fine w/me since it has been increased.
Since they don’t balance servers though, its a little unfair to unblanced servers, but that’s a separate issue and at least getting rank 1 in skirmish requires some effort/skill as opposed to being a vet and simply just getting more. Vet’s still get more then new players, but what they get has been reduced in value, due to base pips rising.
aka. “The Complainer”
yah but they changed it because people like me were vocal, so I don’t get it, don’t you want them to change it back?
I wish game developers would learn from statements like these. Then they won’t be quite so surprised their forums turn into yelling, screaming people who have been reinforced into believing that if you throw a tantrum long and loud enough, you get your way.
What’s funny is this guy didn’t even have an effect due to all his complaining. ArenaNet implemented the constructive suggestion. Logical and practical solutions don’t need emotional outbursts and forum-spamming to make sense.
All i said was they should up the amount of pips we get so it dosent take so long to hit weekly ticket cap, which they did exactly that (i dont really care how they went about doing this). Also i made a few threads about this which they merged, into one giant thread, which is what they did with your thread as well.
Either way Id love to hear what these players think of this change now, since it was a direct contradiction of what wvw vets wanted.
aka. “The Complainer”
Continued….
No. Do not change the PIP accumulation rate.
If the skin isn’t worth it, then fine. Find something else to grind.
Generally, the people who are complaining about this are people who don’t play the mode.
Suck it up, or do something else.
It really IS that simple.
The complainer(and yes that is his name on BG) won’t admit that players of the same rank, and playing in the same BL, with the same server, get the same number of PiPs. Just because effort was put in earlier, does not mean that the effort isn’t the same.
Keep the PIP system the same.
WvW vets should get faster PiP rewards because for 4+ years rewards in WvW were non-existent. Keep telling me how unfair it is when I had to PvE for years (which I don’t particularly enjoy) to fund my WvW play.
PvE and to some extent PvP have been swimming in better rewards for years. WvW players finally get some love and some come in here QQ’ing about fairness. Typical.
Are you supposed to, as a bronze-silver player, open the Diamond box every week?
It seems like what the game expects you to do and what players expect to do are out of order.
Each player is limited per week in how many tickets they can get, therefore ranks are irrelevant as a rank 1 player can still get the same amount of tickets per week as someone with rank 9k. There are different ways to increase the amount of pips you can get, ranks are only a part of it and it is to reward players who have stuck with the game mode that for years was never as rewarding as pvp or pve.
The rewards are meant to be a longterm goal which is why there is a weekly limit. It is not meant to be farmed in a few days or weeks so people will get bored and leave.
If you dont like it, dont do it, simple as that. There are other ways of acquiring gear. None of the rewards are closed off to you if you actually want to work for them. Any player with a high rank had to earn them, it did not just magically happen and yet you seem to act like you are entitled to everything right away. How about you stop making thread after thread complaining about how this or that is not fair simply because it’s harder for you.
I’m aware of the ticket cap, you didnt address any of my logic, and basically just said if I dont like it, don’t do it.
My point is that its discouraging and puts newer players at a time disadvantage whereas other content does not.
There is no “logic”, its just complaining. Stop acting as if you are some champion for new players, we have seen your other threads. It is just constant complaining with an attitude of self entitlement. We get it, you want it easier and you think its unfair that they rewarded players who actually cared about WvW and not you.
What you fail to understand OP, is that WvW players have historically been under rewarded for their game time vs PvE players.
This is a nod to the dedicated players of this game type, and you have no right to complain about it.
I am genuinely curious to what these players think after this change, How has it negatively affected them? By upping the base pips it has essentially lowered the value of veteran rank based pips. They seem vehemently opposed to any change to the pip system.
aka. “The Complainer”
The amount of whining and entitlement is incredible. It’s truly horrible you actually have to play the game mode to get your rewards. The amount of time you need to put into the game mode to get ticket rewards is a fraction of what vets have already put in. In addition, nothing is preventing you from popping some boosters and leveling very quickly (an option not available to vets years ago).
Anet made a great decision with the pip reward system and I hope it stays. I really hope they don’t cave to the gimmie gimmie now now now people that won’t be around anyways once they get the shiny they want.
kitten snowflakes are everywhere on these forums. So wvwers been asking for some reward for ranks for like 3 yrs finally it happens and pvers walk in day one and start complaining about unfair? Apparently you arent aware of how insulting that is. Its starting a job and asking for everyones salary to suddenly equal your starting pay.
We didnt farm the ranks there was no reason ever to farm ranks…farm ranks so I can do more damage with a catapult or carry more siege to help my team? These ranks were gotten for playing game mode and had basically no purpose beyond 1300. We still played because anet made a uniquely entertaining game mode that rewarded having fun together. All the pvers asking for handouts just to get their pve candy is really sad.
If you listen to the devs on Guild Chat they explain the pip system. Low ranking ppl arent expected to finish the track every week.
The difference in rewards and time it takes dor newbies vs vets to gain them is INTENDED. Its not a mistake. It was designed that way knowing how long it will take. Working as intended. Id a newbie wants the same rewards as vet they have to work alot harder. My reccomendation is to enjoy your celery stick.
Leave it the way it is
With that logic, I should be able to walk into a high level fractal with pure exotics and 0 agony resistance and be able to get ascended drops just like everyone else in fractals 100.
Anet, I applaud you for rewarding people loyal to the game mode. Sorry pugs, but you’ll have to show how loyal you are by putting the time in like everyone else. -_- kids these days, always expect to have things handed to them.
PvE players always complain the loudest when the other game modes get new shinies.
Their need for instant gratification is astounding
Good to see pve entitlement is alive and well.
As a pve player, I agree with you. This is ridiculous. These rewards are clearly aimed towards the people who have been keeping an entire game mode alive for years and that’s how it should be.
I too see a big problem in gaining pips. they should have switched something out, like, instead of more rank = more pips the rank should give you more chests per week. bronze with 2 chests and silver with 3 (more loot) etcpp.
the players should be equally treated, but the higher-ranks should get more loot.
you know what i mean?More blues and greens? No thanks. Pips work.
None of these complaining pvers ever mentioned all the world buffs we vet wvw players accumulated forthem over the past years. Now we vet wvw players get something in return ( quicker rewards, not more) its boohoo unfair. Get over it and grind for it if you want something.
I just can’t hit the cap weekly.
Trajan anticipated your comment in his/her original post:
we who have played this game mode for a long time are used to getting zero to no rewards so this system is fine, we will get it eventually.
You don’t have to hit the cap weekly. You will still get it eventually.
Correct. Kam, you are making two choices here.
-1. To get the tickets in the first place.
-2. To try to hit the cap.The game doesn’t require either. Don’t do it as ‘a second job’. Do it because you want to, and the difference between now and 6 months ago, is that there IS a reward for the time you DO put in.
I love the game mode, and will still play it, but I can’t get past the 2nd or 3rd chest weekly. It feels like I’m wasting my time there if I can’t actually get anywhere. Only getting 20-45 tickets a week isn’t really much.
I’d only like weapon skins, and armor skins, but at the current rate, it’d be years for someone like me being unable to put the required time in for capping weekly.
Other game modes are way more rewarding, and I think WvW should be as rewarding for all types of players wanting to do it, for both veterans and newcomers.
An influx of players is good for any game mode. Sure some will leave, but many newcomers will no doubt get hooked and have a blast. I just think tickets should be rewarded more often for chest rewards, instead of all at the end.
Agreed that an influx is good.
Other game modes have Always been more rewarding.
I am on record in here as saying that intra tuer chest rewards would be OK instead of just at the end of bronze/silver/etc
But decreasing the overall time? Decreasing the PiP requirements, decreasing ticket closet? No to all of these.
Getting the skins fast isn’t the answer.
aka. “The Complainer”
So it shows you that the very vocal wvw vets who constantly reply on here, and have very contradictory opinions to the majority of players are an extremely small % of the playerbase.
Almost sounds like you were referring to yourself. kek
Really? Because I always thought WvW should have gliding, and anet brought it in. It was the wvw vets who vehemently disagreed. I think my opinion is very reflective of the community as a whole, which is not surprising since I play all game modes on gw2, and have been playing games for 25 yrs.
I just now voted and what a surprise my vote came in with the majority of other votes. Guess I know whats good for gw2.
Now i Hope they add mounts to wvw (RIP roamers), we’ll see if I’m vindicated.
aka. “The Complainer”
For wvw I have 4 characters all in full ascended, fully infused and I use the expensive foods and utilities. I run meta builds from metabattle and a few I modified from the meta slightly.
wait a moment…..
aren’t you the same guy that few days ago claimed that sPvP builds with condi cleases slapped on rocks for roaming?
at this point I’d liek to ask from which section of metabattle your “meta builds” are.
as fro blasting fields – they still do when it makes sense – but to actualy see this kind of behaviour you’d need to be, ya know in organised group with voice comms – because command to blast fields goes there – you can’t realistically relay it fast enought via text chat….
yah roamers use OP builds that are broken, they are basically spvp builds that are off the rails because they dont have to worry about holding a point. They use stats that are banned in spvp, and skills that would be useless in spvp but are useful in open world where there is no objective, other then to survive for ever and reset the fight when they please.
The section i get my builds from on metabattle is the wvw section.
Back to the topic, believe it or not even w/out voicecoms i can see the commanders health and i also have played in zergs quite a lot so I have a good feel for how the battle is going to go, and i can also see the fields that are going down so i can emulate them with my own fields and blast them as well, without being on TS. Aside from that I can and have got on teamspeak whenever I feel like it, so thats not really an issue. The point is that if people arent let into squads for whatever reason, they should have the same benefits of being in a squad, or anet should just get rid of squads entirely for wvw.
The way the system is based, its going to lead to a lot of people being excluded for (insert reason here). Honest, I get a lot of PM’s daily from PvEr’s who read my threads about excluding from squads in general, and they are really upset, and have experienced the same thing. They cant participate in squads for a myriad of reasons and they want to play wvw, but don’t feel like they are part of the team due to wvw vets requiring everyone to conform. They say they very much want to play but feel constantly excluded, which is just plain wrong. Id say anet has a larger problem on their hands then they think.
So this issue doesn’t just affect me sorry to say. Ive talked to quite a few pvers who simply give up on wvw and refuse to go into it SPECIFICALLY because of this issue. So the ball is really in the wvw communities court, and they say they want new players on one hand and then on the other try to exclude players at every turn, as does the games mechanics which rewards those not in squad with less.
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No one is complaining because unlike OP, we can move on from things. Unlike OP who likes to bring up things incessantly over & over again.
yah but they changed it because people like me were vocal, so I don’t get it, don’t you want them to change it back? Where is the outrage, isn’t this affecting you negatively? Isn’t it extremely important to make sure that others don’t get those rewards, they might lose there prestige. I mean the amount of push back that i got when I suggested that they upped the pip gain and ticket cap was tremendous, from a group of about the same 15 forum posters, where are they now in regards to this decision? I’d like to know what they think about this change and how its negatively impacting them.
If its not negatively impacting them, then it seems as though they are just basically trolling threads, with no real agenda other then to try and disrupt conversations.
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If u r forced to go solo because of mean girl tactics by squads/cmdrs u r being deprived of most of the main featured content of the wvw game mode, one third of the entire game u purchased. Also, u r then running solo w/o benefits of squad, like buffs/heals/rezes/loot/xp. SO then basically, ur entire WvW experience is completely different from the game mode as advertised – no where does anyone say wvw is unique fun and rewarding cuz u get to run long distances in borderline maps by yourself after waiting in hours long ques and popping food/boosters w/. ur zerg constructed build/armor to get picked off by those with gank builds not allowed in any other game mode. Hmmmmm. And all because some commander/squad is a mean girl and doesn’t like u or has some other “reason” which might make sense if the squad was full, but its open – theres plenty of space and everyone benefits if u join squad.
How does it help to boot a person to solo status who is not equipped to deal with that – he will die more, hurting the server. How does this help? Especially when admitting that person to the non-full squad would protect him more (causing less death) and giving the squad the advantage of his tailored zerg build.
Easy mode loot fest? Seems to me that any vet player like OP knows enuf about wvw to know how to play and that wvw is not an easy loot fest, and if it is, its prolly cuz of vets like OP. Seems to me the squad is benefitting from ANY wvw vet since even if they’re dying, which OP rarely does from my observations of him/her, they are prolly killing way more than defensive builds or newer players – for which the squad is benefitting via loot bags.
The game doesn’t guarantee you the ability to latch onto any other player. Commander or otherwise.
Booting a loot jockey prevents a horrible player from acting like a rally bot that is a detriment to PvP groups.
Being a “vet” player is not mutually inclusive to being decent, or worthwhile in a dedicated party/squad environment. It’s certainly not a metric of value.
So all players who play for loot are horrible players lol? Great logic, I can see you have an axe to grind.
Hmm im, a “loot jockey” but I know I’m an exceptional player. So I guess I’m the paradox the chosen one, the champion of the loot hoarders. All I can say is gw2 is a casual loot aquisition based game and that you’re doing it wrong.
Why not go play call of duty instead, oh wait there is loot in that game too, or overwatch, oh Yah loot, um wow? Oh Yah loot there too, hearthstone, oh Yah card packs are loot. Wait for destiny 2 oh Yah loot. Sorry looks like all the games revolve around getting loot so your out of luck in finding a game that isn’t focused on it. I think hello kitty island adventure 2 is a pure game mode with no loot, looks promising, might be worth a look.
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So it shows you that the very vocal wvw vets who constantly reply on here, and have very contradictory opinions to the majority of players are an extremely small % of the playerbase.
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So now that they have upped the amount of pips we all get, and they upped the weekly ticket cap to almost double the previous cap (which might I add was an excellent decision) where are all the people who were vehemently opposed to any changes to the pips and/or ticket changes?
I don’t see how this change, which was proposed awhile back, and was vehemently opposed by so many was such a bad idea? I don’t see anyone complaining about it now, and I don’t understand why so many were so resistant to this change which really helped a lot of people out, and made getting rewards in wvw more realistic.
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Ive often said that they should add a conveyor belt or people mover to wvw because of the long run times, from getting from point A to point B, mounts would solve that. Though not as cool as a conveyor belt.
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OP, please help me understand your logic,
because I honestly don’t understand why people that obviously are looking for zergs don’t just get on TS/Discord/Find a guild/Do whatever it is necessary to actually help YOURSELF and help YOUR server get better results.
Commanders exclude people from squads when they don’t get on TS because then people don’t know when to pop their buffs or when they should be going right or left.
Guilds exclude people from squad because they don’t want pugs running around not knowing what to do and when because they’re trying to create Organism .
Why do pugs insist on playing suboptimally? you’re screwing your server and your teammates, it’s stuff like this that hold a server backPlease, Im honestly looking for an answer to this
Pretty simple, I don’t view wvw as a serious game mode, which others do (I used to). I don’t think its been serious since the last wvw tournaments (which vets say they dont want to return lol). Winning at the end of the week amounts to nothing. You get nothing for it, and your server gets nothing for it. BG wins every week simply because we have huge population of wvwers, even though a lot of times we get trounced in zvz. By the end of the week it doesn’t matter because we pull ahead and win every week.
The game mode is not balanced for a million reasons. You have people in the mode roaming (which isn’t something that is supported by anet or balanced) zerging (which is supported by anet and is sort of balanced? but is not really taking seriously (in all honesty), no ESL coming to wvw anytime soon.) and you have GvG (doing content that isn’t supported at all by wvw, where they just engage in zvz and cap nothing, usually). You also have 2v1’s which is not Counterable, under any circumstance when it occurs. SO if you take all of this then I would argue its not a serious game mode so who cares about squad requirements?.
As such I’m not willing to put in serious effort to play “optimally” by getting in TS, unless i feel like it (and usually i don’t), because whats the point? Its a joke. I have also observed tons of commanders dominate without needing TS and I have seen tons of commanders require teamspeak only to be really bad at commanding at getting everyone wiped repeatedly.
Believe it or not good players can follow a tag and figure out what they’re doing without being in TS, or meeting all of the commanders silly requirements for entry into the squad. And again if not being invited to squad is no big deal, then certainly letting people in the squad should be no big deal either.
I get it the mechanics are that the party leader is the dictator, which is basically anets (and every other mmos) way of saying mechanically were not going to spend effort or money to try and regulate this, leave it to the community, because its too complicated/expensive/not good ROI. doesn’t mean they might want to do something to it, and it doesn’t mean that they haven’t tampered with group exclusion issues in relation to social interactions in the past (see adding vote kick to parties, which we didn’t used to have at game launch.)
The game revolves around playing casually, your playing a casual mmo, many people play this specifically because its a casual mmo, but by all means continue the pro “optimal” strats and 100% effort for no return on anything, pointless zvz ad infinitum, and then after you take that argument make the other flippant argument about how you all play for fun and that me playing for rewards is wrong lol. And also be very judgemental and tell others how to behave and conform, and if they don’t then bully and exclude them (like lord of the flies) because we all want to pretend this is 1984.
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No, what you’re asking for is a constant blob v blob. You say it won’t hurt anyone, but what about those that prefer to make it across the map or even from spawn to garri without a buddy system?
If you want to play alongside a zerg because you feel that provides something more for your playstyle then JOIN A SQUAD, if you dont want to follow the rules of a squad then don’t run with them or continue running alongside them never knowing what they’re doing and continuing to use them as meat shields while you collect loot, and if you prefer spvp then go play actual spvp, but don’t suggest the entire game mode be changed to suit your individual playstyle.
No instead we should ask individuals to conform behaviors like a bunch of robots, or quit the game basically, but we’ll do it with a smile so its ok then. While commanders continue to be dictators, which is fine because it costs too much money/effort for anet to code in mechanics which could easily negate this (which is the real bottom line and the only issue).
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Or they could just change tagging mechanics and then a huge section of the population wouldn’t care if they were in a squad. It’s pretty funny seeing so many commanders require so many things to join a squad and then they blame their failures on the fact that a lot of people don’t want to join there squads…. gee I wonder why lol.
Also good commanders never hear any complaints from me, and they know the value of an experienced player. Petty commanders exclude and require all sorts of nonsense and then exclude exceptional players when they get their feelings hurt.
Many times I’ve seen commanders have closed squads and requirements to join, and they lose tons of fights against evenly matched zergs, and then blame it on people who won’t meet there requirements (be in there guild, be in TS). Finally they leave and one good commander comes on, has open squad and no requirement and we wipe zergs 2-3x’s our size. It never ceases to amuse me.
So now your suggestion is to break up group synergy just so you can get more loot? Try playing a support class then you will feel the difference in loot!
If you’re gobbing off all the time then it’s no surprise commanders don’t want you in their groups- try reading any basic management manual and look at ‘disruptive, negative employees and the effects they have’. Then compare yourself to that.
Exceptional players will fit in, share their knowledge, teach, be respectful. You’re not exceptional, as clearly you fail these tests, preferring to shout the odds and moan at people leading to your exclusion.
Some comms like running certain groups- whether they win or lose fights isn’t that important to them, as long as they have fun.
It’s strange- I could log on my ele or necro and will be invited to join groups, guild groups, ts- only groups and they know I can’t use TS. Only one comm (he’s fairly new to server) won’t invite me to his group as he has a strict ‘no-ts, no party’ rule- but he’s happy for me to come along.
Now consider why that doesn’t happen to you.
Probably because you play ball and are a really good team player, and you don’t criticize others ever (except me of course), you also keep the status quo and most likely hate people who complain more then anything?
I’m not asking to be in squads, I’m asking for people outside of squads to get close to having the same benefits, specifically because I don’t want to be in squads with others. All of the traits that I listed above that are required to “play nice” and get invited to a squad im not really interested in emulating (or pretending to emulate). Sorry my truth offends so many, all i can say is im either echoing what your all thinking but refuse to say, or you all lead charmed lives.
Would be nice if anet would come up with a way to accommodate everyone who wants to play how they want to play, instead of strong arming specific social interactions/demeanors/mindsets on people in order to “play correctly”
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pretty funny you seem to all really dislike people who play for rewards and are willing to admit it, when 99% of the game is the prestige of gaining new shinies, which you all collectively work for and strive for. Seems very hypocritical to me.
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Or they could just change tagging mechanics and then a huge section of the population wouldn’t care if they were in a squad. It’s pretty funny seeing so many commanders require so many things to join a squad and then they blame their failures on the fact that a lot of people don’t want to join there squads…. gee I wonder why lol.
Also good commanders never hear any complaints from me, and they know the value of an experienced player. Petty commanders exclude and require all sorts of nonsense and then exclude exceptional players when they get their feelings hurt.
Many times I’ve seen commanders have closed squads and requirements to join, and they lose tons of fights against evenly matched zergs, and then blame it on people who won’t meet there requirements (be in there guild, be in TS). Finally they leave and one good commander comes on, has open squad and no requirement and we wipe zergs 2-3x’s our size. It never ceases to amuse me.
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Let’s see going by the things you have said in the past you are basically only interested in farming rewards in wvw and likely have no understanding what constitutes a proper build and group composition, nor do you use TS, and you seem to have little to no interest in actually playing on a competitive level and contributing to your server. And yet…everyone else is the problem?
Perhaps try changing those things and you would have no problem getting into a squad.
Well let’s see I was in every, wvw tournament in which my server (BG) won 2xs, where I was in ts the entire time, played since gw1, have spvp legend.
For wvw I have 4 characters all in full ascended, fully infused and I use the expensive foods and utilities. I run meta builds from metabattle and a few I modified from the meta slightly.
I also know good group composition, including stability rotations, how to create proper combo fields and Burst on them at appropriate times (something I see few commanders doing anymore) and I rarely die. Most people on my server who see me play, know I am a good player just from watching, though they may not like me, mostly because I point out truths, they can’t handle. Either way hope that sums it up for you
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I hope they add mounts, wvw is boring enough, might as well make it more entertaining.
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I can see that the amount of wxp given from killing an enemy player is based on how long the enemy player has been alive, but is there a relation between this wxp amount and tagging? So for example if 5 ppl in squad and one person out of squad kill an enemy, do they all get the exact same amount of wxp for killing that one person?
Either way not being in squad definently effects loot gain negatively, as that’s how tagging works in pve.
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And… you DO realize the tagging mechanic is driven by rules from PvE right?
Yes I realize this and it affects pve as well, but in pve, very few tags run closed tags, so getting in is almost never an issue. But yes I do think it should be changed for pve as well. I’m not sure why getting the benefits of increased tagging effectiveness, has to be based on being in a party/squad. (I know the mechanic depends upon this currently but I wish they would change it so it wasn’t)
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Have you tried zerging less to find players who are worth more WXP?
Nah that would be roaming, which I feel is a mixture of afking and pvp mixed with hello kitty island adventure 2, I’d rather play spvp instead of doing that because it’s at least somewhat balanced.
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So, the mechanics surrounding tagging and gaining loot/wxp really need to be updated, as its an issue which really affects wvw play. There are a lot of commanders that don’t allow players to join squad for whatever reason. In fact over the last 2 days of playing ive encountered nothing but closed squads for hours, where its either TS only, guild only or group of friends only. Since this is now a really common practice to exclude others from joining squads, anet should update the tagging mechanics. Not being in squad but still following in the zerg results in less shared party buffs which leads to less survivability/damage, less loot due to tagging mechanics and less wxp due to tagging mechanics.
The less damage and survivability I can live with, especially since boon sharing is based on individual party composition, but getting less wxp and loot is really annoying. Anet needs to update tagging, specifically in wvw so that it detects if you are around other ally players (in or out of the same squad) and if you tag an enemy and any of your ALLIES tag an enemy, you get full wxp/loot tagging credit. This should happen independently if you are in a squad or not.
It gets annoying following a zerg, playing better then normal (because you have no buffs from allies really) killing enemies and getting 1-2 wxp and no drops even though I fully dpsed an enemy, in some instances doing 90% of the damage to the target. The only reason this occurs is because of squad tagging mechanics and it really needs to be changed/updated.
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i had to see this for myself.
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10/10 would read again!
Potato!
It’s been ages!
Again, its very enlightening seeing who comes out of the woodwork in our community to support this type of behavior. #LordOfTheFlies you should all go read it sometime. and I was “told” we had the “friendliest” MMO community out there….. LOL.
I guess the bar isn’t set very high.
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