Guild Wars 2

cleabh.5308:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Then you have obviously not spent enough time on these forums. People will complain about anything. If they announced that SAB was going to be permanently opened the forums would be full of people complaining that SAB is stupid and detracts from their enjoyment of the game because it doesn’t make sense. There are a whole slew of people who find SAB to be immersion breaking and can’t stand the idea of other people who enjoy it being able to play it.

I’ve heard this several times before, but the number of players who’d be angry about SAB having no new content is a fraction of those upset, right now, that it isn’t here. They certainly wouldn’t boycott the game because of it, which people are already doing because of the broken SAB promises.

If you want proof, compare this thread to the reactions to the repeat Wintersday or Halloween content. All people did was grumble a little about the holidays for a month or so. Whereas this thread has been pure disappointment and even hatred for over a year.

No matter how you look at it, it’s in Arenanet’s best interests to just bring World 1 and 2 back if at all possible.

Because Wintersday and Halloween come back each year? And are only active for a month?

So what you’re saying is that people complain constantly while it is active, then stop complaining when it goes away. Since it comes back again as expected they don’t have a reason to start complaining about that.

Seems like this is more evidence that I’m right than that I’m wrong.

heartless.6803:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Hearte.6852:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Test.8734:

lordkrall.7241:

Of course not, but it might very well be up for a weekend or even a full week or two.

And do you know why all you can do is say what “might” be, instead of what will be?

Because this guy is right:

mulzi.8273:

i have no issue with the way they are controlling access to the beta. However, I wish they would provide full disclosure on what will be in the beta to everyone, even if its just a write up.

ArenaNet is (again) having horrible communication. They told people how to get access to the beta, but they haven’t announced when will the beta be, or what kind of content it will have, or any other relevant information.

What if someone spends a lot of time grinding for access (because that’s effectively the only way to get access, by grinding), and the beta happens to be in a day in which said someone is busy? Whose fault do you think that would be?

ArenaNet should at least have told us when is the beta going to be, and what content it will feature. But no, they didn’t manage to do even that.

What part of closed do you not understand. Closed beta means they don’t talk about it, that you don’t get know ahead of time unless you’re in it.

LoL, what? If this is your definition of “closed beta”, you’re sadly mistaken. It only means that the beta is limited to a certain number/group of players.

And unless you are one of those people it’s none of your business, so you don’t need to know. They will be informing those that get in, when it is and what it’s about, because that is what closed means.

There may or may not be an NDA attached to the close beta, but most likely there won’t be. Closed beta just means invite only. It has nothing to do with the level of secrecy involved with that. NDA’s will determine, if applicable, what you can and cannot talk about in closed betas. To be honest NDA’s are kinda a dying trend in gaming. They used to be great for generating hype but now that the market is so flooded with new games companies are more compelled to talk about things.

Yeah, that wasn’t really my point. I don’t think there will be an NDA, not considering the amount of information they’re released themselves. Once they let you play the game at the cons they generally drop the NDA.

What I’m getting at is, since it’s invite only they’re not announcing a time. It isn’t like an open beta where anyone can come in so you need to know when it is. In a closed beta then invite you and only those who are invited get told when it is and what’s going on. Since, technically, no one has actually been invited yet, since the contest is still on, there has been no reason for them to provide that information to anyone.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Started out as such a nice post, but then it just turned into yet another “SAB PLZZZZ”.

Well, I mean, this is the SAB thread.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

You know what content I miss playing?

CANTHA!
CRYSTAL DESERT!
ELONA!

(in that order)

Me hopes they bring them back.

Technically they can’t bring them back because they have never existed in this game.

Hearte.6852:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Test.8734:

lordkrall.7241:

Of course not, but it might very well be up for a weekend or even a full week or two.

And do you know why all you can do is say what “might” be, instead of what will be?

Because this guy is right:

mulzi.8273:

i have no issue with the way they are controlling access to the beta. However, I wish they would provide full disclosure on what will be in the beta to everyone, even if its just a write up.

ArenaNet is (again) having horrible communication. They told people how to get access to the beta, but they haven’t announced when will the beta be, or what kind of content it will have, or any other relevant information.

What if someone spends a lot of time grinding for access (because that’s effectively the only way to get access, by grinding), and the beta happens to be in a day in which said someone is busy? Whose fault do you think that would be?

ArenaNet should at least have told us when is the beta going to be, and what content it will feature. But no, they didn’t manage to do even that.

What part of closed do you not understand. Closed beta means they don’t talk about it, that you don’t get know ahead of time unless you’re in it.

LoL, what? If this is your definition of “closed beta”, you’re sadly mistaken. It only means that the beta is limited to a certain number/group of players.

And unless you are one of those people it’s none of your business, so you don’t need to know. They will be informing those that get in, when it is and what it’s about, because that is what closed means.

Shadowfront.1983:

Wow, your Naga lasted 4 years. Mine only lasted 6 months which is why I ended up switching to the G600. I liked the Naga a little better I think but will never buy another Razer product again. It just felt a little better and the button placement was more ideal. However, the G600 is still really good and will likely just take a little adjustment to.

Did you contact Razer about it? I tend to no think it was within warrantee, but it might have been, and they might have been able to do something about it anyway. I got my Naga to play SWTOR before GW2 released, so I’ve been using it since then. The only thing that’s happened to it in that time is that the pads I super glued to the thumb buttons have started falling off.

Slalom.3174:

@Kal Spiro, yea, I like Newegg.com too, but there is no New Egg store 3 miles from me where I can check hardware before buying online.

Anyways, Tiger Direct is closing their storefronts and will be strictly online.
That leaves only Best Buy, Walmart, Staples etc. to get emergency hardware.

Again, Thank Goodness for Amazon Prime! ha!

I did not know Tiger actually had store fronts. I thought you meant Tiger in general was closing. Ok.

Test.8734:

lordkrall.7241:

Of course not, but it might very well be up for a weekend or even a full week or two.

And do you know why all you can do is say what “might” be, instead of what will be?

Because this guy is right:

mulzi.8273:

i have no issue with the way they are controlling access to the beta. However, I wish they would provide full disclosure on what will be in the beta to everyone, even if its just a write up.

ArenaNet is (again) having horrible communication. They told people how to get access to the beta, but they haven’t announced when will the beta be, or what kind of content it will have, or any other relevant information.

What if someone spends a lot of time grinding for access (because that’s effectively the only way to get access, by grinding), and the beta happens to be in a day in which said someone is busy? Whose fault do you think that would be?

ArenaNet should at least have told us when is the beta going to be, and what content it will feature. But no, they didn’t manage to do even that.

What part of closed do you not understand. Closed beta means they don’t talk about it, that you don’t get know ahead of time unless you’re in it.

Slalom.3174:

@Lanfear, good to hear that the G600 is not suited to small, dainty hands. I went by TigerDirect to check the size, but those folks are closing their stores! What!
And thank you for the confirmation about on-board profile. One video said they were buggy.

@GummiBear, the ring-click is the finger finger button. Some people say it is troublesome, but I hope it might be useful.
Also my right pinky has nothing to do; just waving in the wind. What about that?

FYI, I ordered the G600 from Amazon. 2-day delivery. Can’t Wait.

newegg.com It’s superior to Tiger

Hearte.6852:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Hearte.6852:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Hearte.6852:

lordkrall.7241:

Hearte.6852:

Over 8+ hours farming for this so far. I get that it’s rejuvenating the very tired current “end-game” open world maps that we have, but not in a good way. Imagine the frustration and disappointment for those who will have spent dozens of hours grinding for this beta key, by the end of this event. Some more foresight would have been great before implementing an idea like this. It’s a lame space-filler for the current lack of content, and it requires potentially endless grinding on maps that many of us are sick of by now.

So.. don’t do it?

You are aware that the betas themselves are all about grinding the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again, right?

Hi, what exactly is your point?

If you don’t like it, don’t participate.

I for one am participating because this is a really good time to get into Silverwastes. I hadn’t done more than a little bit of that content. If you’re right that the community is already sick of it, which I honestly think is your opinion and not the community’s, then now is a good time since people are running it regardless of their interest in it.

The added bonus of getting a portal in the first couple minutes is really just gravy. I’m not even sure I want to beta test at all. I played a Revenant already and it was interesting, I’m good to go until release.

Ok, I get the “If you don’t like it, don’t play” comments. They’re inevitable from the white knights in every debated game topic. Yawn The fact is, I do want to play in the betas, so I’m putting in the time on these tired maps to have a better chance at getting the key. Hopefully this addresses your concerns about whether or not I should play or move on.

Then I will ask, what is your point? This “contest” won’t be for very long. Once it’s over the zone will return to business as usual. You can stop spending time in Silverwastes, since you apparently dislike the place.

Artificially vitalizing a zone doesn’t exactly hurt anyone or anything.

Apparently you missed the point in my initial post. The method for the beta access is lame. Also, Silverwastes was already active, since it’s currently one of the best ways to obtain gold, as tired as it is. Dry Top is the only map seeing a real boost.

Dry Top has been consistently active, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why is it lame? Because you haven’t won? Because most people won’t? So? Anyone coming into this with the expectation of getting beta access is delusional. It is a carrot and nothing more.

All methods of getting into beta are lame. The only difference between this one and those is that this one guarantees a few things. It guarantees that people getting into beta are active players with at least one level 80. It suggests they’re marginally competent, care about endgame content, and can follow along the same types of events that will take place in the beta. The only thing this doesn’t do is guarantee that winners actually want to be in beta, but even if they don’t they’ll probably still participate.

Ultimately this seems like a pretty good method, incentive, and decision.

Hearte.6852:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Hearte.6852:

lordkrall.7241:

Hearte.6852:

Over 8+ hours farming for this so far. I get that it’s rejuvenating the very tired current “end-game” open world maps that we have, but not in a good way. Imagine the frustration and disappointment for those who will have spent dozens of hours grinding for this beta key, by the end of this event. Some more foresight would have been great before implementing an idea like this. It’s a lame space-filler for the current lack of content, and it requires potentially endless grinding on maps that many of us are sick of by now.

So.. don’t do it?

You are aware that the betas themselves are all about grinding the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again, right?

Hi, what exactly is your point?

If you don’t like it, don’t participate.

I for one am participating because this is a really good time to get into Silverwastes. I hadn’t done more than a little bit of that content. If you’re right that the community is already sick of it, which I honestly think is your opinion and not the community’s, then now is a good time since people are running it regardless of their interest in it.

The added bonus of getting a portal in the first couple minutes is really just gravy. I’m not even sure I want to beta test at all. I played a Revenant already and it was interesting, I’m good to go until release.

Ok, I get the “If you don’t like it, don’t play” comments. They’re inevitable from the white knights in every debated game topic. Yawn The fact is, I do want to play in the betas, so I’m putting in the time on these tired maps to have a better chance at getting the key. Hopefully this addresses your concerns about whether or not I should play or move on.

Then I will ask, what is your point? This “contest” won’t be for very long. Once it’s over the zone will return to business as usual. You can stop spending time in Silverwastes, since you apparently dislike the place.

Artificially vitalizing a zone doesn’t exactly hurt anyone or anything.

If someone complains about something, they’re a hater. If someone calls them on it, they’re a white knight. How about, people are just people with differing opinions. I’m not defending ANet. ANet has many mistakes and I’ve definitely spoken out about them. I just don’t think that being personally inconvenienced is the same as a corporate mistake that should have been addressed ahead of time.

Britannicus.4782:

Kal Spiro.9745:

The main problem with this is that one single trait line would have to be compatible with every class, and then repeated five times. This trait line would also have to be devoid of weapon specific buffs and class specific buffs while, most likely, offering very heavy buffs for skills that honestly don’t have a lot in functional commonality. This is especially true when you get to the elite skills.

One thing to note, it already seems like a lot of weapon-specific traits are going away with the the new specialization system. I only saw a handful left, and they immediate jumped on the idea of changing the guardian shield trait one when they saw it was still around during the live stream.

They’re not going away, they’re being merged. Most of the trait lines are still relevant to at least one weapon.

Hearte.6852:

lordkrall.7241:

Hearte.6852:

Over 8+ hours farming for this so far. I get that it’s rejuvenating the very tired current “end-game” open world maps that we have, but not in a good way. Imagine the frustration and disappointment for those who will have spent dozens of hours grinding for this beta key, by the end of this event. Some more foresight would have been great before implementing an idea like this. It’s a lame space-filler for the current lack of content, and it requires potentially endless grinding on maps that many of us are sick of by now.

So.. don’t do it?

You are aware that the betas themselves are all about grinding the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again, right?

Hi, what exactly is your point?

If you don’t like it, don’t participate.

I for one am participating because this is a really good time to get into Silverwastes. I hadn’t done more than a little bit of that content. If you’re right that the community is already sick of it, which I honestly think is your opinion and not the community’s, then now is a good time since people are running it regardless of their interest in it.

The added bonus of getting a portal in the first couple minutes is really just gravy. I’m not even sure I want to beta test at all. I played a Revenant already and it was interesting, I’m good to go until release.

zenleto.6179:

So now paying for non-essential items is considered a grind? Have I read the post right?

Looks like, buying gems, then buying skins is a grind. I really wish these kids would learn what things mean instead of just throwing around buzz words to get attention.

The main problem with this is that one single trait line would have to be compatible with every class, and then repeated five times. This trait line would also have to be devoid of weapon specific buffs and class specific buffs while, most likely, offering very heavy buffs for skills that honestly don’t have a lot in functional commonality. This is especially true when you get to the elite skills.

In what way is a summoned wurm connected to transforming into a bird person? How is an AoE confuse plus retaliation like a summoned golem, or golem transform? How do you design a trait that effects both the Grenth effect and the summoned hounds of Balthazar?

It would be unduly complicated to make it work and also make it worthwhile to use across all classes, while simultaneously remaining an optional extra.

phys.7689:

the point they were making is the definition of grind is an argument about the accepted meaning of words.

But what players are saying regardless of the meaning of the word is that when they try to play the game normally, it feels like they have to repeat content for long periods of time to try to make what they consider to be progress.

now, you can call that a different word if you want, but point is to many players how the game seems to promote them to play, is what they would call a grind.

so the question is, is that type of feeling they hope the game generates.

I was going to yell at you for being reasonable, but then I saw it was you so it made sense.

I don’t know how other people play the game. I can’t even guess, I’m not other people. But I really get the feeling other people are playing the game wrong. I just do my own things. If I want to do a thing, I do it. I jump around a lot. I have at least one of every class. I don’t seek rewards, I seek entertainment. Getting stuff is not the purpose of the game, and as such isn’t what I’m playing for.

I have every skill. I am full exotic, I have mostly ascended jewelry and a backpack. I have a build that works well for me in anything I want to do. I have participated in nearly every piece of content. I have even carried a group that couldn’t complete a fractal, which felt pretty good, if frustrating. I don’t do any of this on some mad dash for progression.

I do it for the entertainment of the game itself. The rewards are not the game. The rewards are just filler. I really feel like this is how the Devs intended the game to work. It makes sense to me because it works so well for me. I’m still having as much fun as I was in beta and I don’t see that changing any time soon. I have some goals. There are things I’m planning, like ascended gear, but I’m not in a rush. I don’t need it right now. It’ll happen when it happens. That’s the philosophy I used when I worked toward my quiver and it’s worked just fine for me all this time.

That’s why this isn’t a grind for me. I’m not going the same thing over and over because I need to get a thing right now. I’m just playing the game, and the things I want will come to me in time just as a result of that.

Astralporing.1957:

Kal Spiro.9745:

None of which is actually grinding, it’s all just farming. Now all you whipper snappers git off mah lawn.

Removing grind by redefining it to not be called grind. Pure genius.
I guess since we solved that problem, people will stop complaining since they won’t be grinding anymo…
oh wait.

Um, no? You’re the ones redefining farming to be grind because you happen to be doing the same thing twice. That’s not what a grind is. If you had to actually deal with a real grind you’d probably kill yourselves.

Short answer? Because reasons.

Donari.5237:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Gobble D Goop.4081:

I dont think that PETA would approve of the vast extermination of all living creatures that is likely going on in the Maguuma Wastes as of about 2 hours ago (well maybe everything except the legendary sand giant). I wonder if Anet is keeping a tab of how many creatures are exterminated in these zones for however long this event lasts. That would be an interesting number to see.

That’s funny because they said the Sand Giant always drops one. People should get on that. I know I will once I get home from work.

I joined a Sand Giant kill when it was under 1/2 health. I don’t recall if I got silver or gold credit. I certainly didn’t get a portal.

You must have done it wrong, cause it is definitely a guaranteed drop.

Unknown.2189:

Guhracie.3419:

I’m pretty sure they still drop from jumping puzzle chests.

Seriously?! I dont do JP often, but I dont recall getting any from doing them. Do you know which ones?

They don’t, it was only a thing while SAB was available. I have 9 characters parked on JPs, the only thing that drops from them, that shouldn’t is the Winterfest thing for those that still haven’t gotten the star, but completed the quest.

GummiBear.2756:

Use G500S personally and tbh the amount of buttons on the 600 is way more than you would ever need for GW2 (g500s got 3 buttons on the left side, and 2 on the top along the left side as well (close to where you would hold you finger on the LMB as well) and then a tiltable mousewheel.
Im having heal and elite on the side buttons and then dodge i have to tilt my mousewheel to the right (ie move my left finger to press on the left side of the wheel), is all i need tbh
For the software (AFAIK all logitech products use the same software) at least for the G500s there is a lot more options for each profile (both in term of things like acceleration, different X and Y axis velocity(cant find the right word right now xD), but even more so in terms of mapping the buttons) and a lot more profiles possible as well when using the ones stored on the computer

Not sure what exactly what ring-click is

I have jump, F, show names, weapon swap, sheath/unsheathe, dodge, walk, look behind, and F4 all bound to my thumb. Three buttons and two on top wouldn’t do it.

Unknown.2189:

I spent alot of gold and gems to get the SAB minis because I want the Super Assassin mini very badly. Well I managed to get the ones I needed before they removed them from the chests.

Only thing is.. now i have to wait for SAB to return(if it ever does) just so I can get a continue coin to put in the forge. It sucks that the coins are account bound. Bunch of friends still have coins. All I need is 1! >:|

I fee like this is really the biggest mistake ANet has made. The number of things they’ve made account bound that really didn’t need to be.

The new Naga is even better than the old naga, the non-thumb buttons are positioned better. But I’d be hard pressed to swap out, unless the G600 has smooth scrolling…

pdavis.8031:

INB4 the argument that Ascended is required and non-optional, as it is considered BiS. And that ascended itself is a grind because of the amount of materials it requires, specifially silk. Thus because it requires so much silk, that by definition is a grind. And silk is so expensive due to inflation, and because of RNG, that one is forced to run dungeons all day, and grind silverwastes to get silk drops.

This is followed by the argument that you can obtain silk doing almost everything in the game, thus you can do whatever you want and still obtain all the items that you need to craft ascended.

Countered by, by due to RNG it will literally take years to do that unless you specifically grind for it.

Also INB4: Anet said in their manifesto that there would be no grind, but clearly there is grind, so therefore they lied. As you cannot obtain ascended gear without getting a super ultra rare drop, or grinding the same thing over and over again.

Did I miss anything?

/thread. Thanks!

None of which is actually grinding, it’s all just farming. Now all you whipper snappers git off mah lawn.

This is a question a lot of us are asking. It really doesn’t make a lot of sense. It’s wasting a lot of realestate since there are only two other options now, instead of the five you had before. But it’s also something that most wouldn’t want to just go away, it’s a nice convenience item for many of us, if you have the room for it.

notebene.3190:

Kal Spiro.9745:

kolompi.1287:

Brother Grimm.5176:

while I’d like to see the animations return, I do NOT see a reason to attempt and elevate this above the “annoying” status it deserves. If it truly effects your “game play”, then there are other personal issues you may need to consider addressing.

Asking what the status is (without the demanding, petulant tone) is certainly acceptable.

I wonder where the line is that makes elevates stuff above “annoying” and i also wonder if we shouldn’t just play with stick figures since that would also not be game breaking and it would not affect game play eh?

Seriously, these things are part of the “living, breathing” blabla they said they were trying to create. And if “small” things are not affecting your game play then why even bother?

Besides, most of the demanding tone comes from the method they’ve handled this “issue”.

Also… i’m sure that you are not the authority on what passes for more than “annoying” and what does not – for everyone else. Or what is acceptable.

The line is very definite and obvious. When it actually changes the game, in a tangible way, it has crossed that line. This is not that.

But isn’t that the great irony though? If idle and running animations don’t affect game play, why was the former was turned off at all (either on purpose or, as we’ve been led to believe, as a bug) and the latter purposefully modified to something entirely different, presumably spending a fair chunk of person hours there?

Or is it that a few people wanting them off/changed is game breaking and affects game play, but the people who enjoyed the original design concepts and intentions from launch wanting them back are only asking for something that is a small annoyance?

How does the one thing get to be two different types of things depending on the side of the fence you are standing? Is that how we end up with some old guy bringing a snow ball to the office to show us why global warming isn’t real? O.o

I think you’re misunderstanding. It was turned off because that was easy to do, since it isn’t a priority, but does still need to be fixed (I guess.) Whether it’s on or off, though, it’s just an annoyance, it’s not something to get bent out of shape about. It just isn’t worth it. If it exists in the game it won’t change your gameplay. If it remains out of the game it won’t change your gameplay.

They decided they didn’t want it to play during cut scenes and they made that be a thing. While it’s off it doesn’t play during cut scenes. They’ll get around to it eventually (probably, maybe.) Until then, get on with your life. Say you think they should turn it back on, and get on with your life.

Gobble D Goop.4081:

I dont think that PETA would approve of the vast extermination of all living creatures that is likely going on in the Maguuma Wastes as of about 2 hours ago (well maybe everything except the legendary sand giant). I wonder if Anet is keeping a tab of how many creatures are exterminated in these zones for however long this event lasts. That would be an interesting number to see.

That’s funny because they said the Sand Giant always drops one. People should get on that. I know I will once I get home from work.

insanemaniac.2456:

lordkrall.7241:

Funny. People raged like mad that they were added to the BLC. Now ArenaNet apparently listened and removed them, and now that is wrong as well?

i didnt rage, i was super excited. cuz maybe SAB. but then SAB didnt come. and it kept not coming, while the minis laughed at me and teased me and reminded me that my favorite content is in anets mind, but they have better things to do. its not wrong that anet put them in, its not wrong that anet removed them. its wrong that anet allowed them to be accessible without also allowing SAB to be accessible.

Sorry, but all this sounds like it’s on you, not ANet. You’re the one being laughed at by imaginary demons.

Broken Arietta.4631:

Random tangent here :/
One reason I bring this up is that they are giving players a chance test the beta if they do the content anet tells them to do
I have to stop my daily dungeon tour/fractal tour (that has plenty of mobs to farm btw) to help test the new stuff? I already have my Bio luminescent set, I farmed that when it was released. Why am I being punished for playing elements of the game I enjoy

This is the part you seem to be having difficulty with. You don’t HAVE to do anything. If all you want to do is dungeons, then do that. Don’t worry about beta testing. You don’t need to do content you don’t want to do.

If having a chance at beta testing is more important to you, then do silverwastes for a couple days. It won’t kill you. If you can’t stand Silverwastes, you’re probably not going to be super thrilled with HoT, and will just go back to dungeon running again anyway.

People seem to have this weird idea that not getting something is a punishment. If you want to do dungeons, do them. What do they have to do with beta testing? Nothing. A punishment is when you have something taken from you that you were supposed to have or that you already had. It isn’t failing to get a reward contingent on specific criteria that you chose not to do.

Not everyone can be, nor should be a winner. It’s not healthy.

What the kitten is Carry? Is that DPS? Why do you call it Carry, just call it what it is.

Lobo Dela Noche.5127:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Einlanzer.1627:

I’m actually more concerned with not being able to hybridize specializations. What if I want to be kind of good at Fire, Earth, Air, Water and Arcane instead of really good at Fire, Earth, and Arcane?

All in all though, it does have potential to be a pretty cool system.

That was never really a thing, though.
Your options were:
Be good at two things and bad at a third.
Be good at one thing and fair at two things.
Be good at one thing, fair at another thing and bad at two more.
Be good at one thing and bad at everything else.
Be fair at three things and bad at a fourth
Be fair at two things and bad at the other two.

That was your build choices.

This is horse manure.

What you said makes kind of sense for the stats we currently get for trait allocation but we will not get those stats points in the new system. however its still a gross exaggeration though.

Currently going 2,2,1,1,1 may make you a complete generalist by stats but it could make a completely solid build based off the traits. Most might not do that though and would stick to the more popular 3,3,1 type of build. So now the stats will say you are completely focused in to a couple types of stats but the traits are mostly focused in to creating a different kind of solid build. The one trait all by itself in one line doesn’t make you bad at what it does, it complements your other traits to make those even stronger. The fact remains that currently there are lower tier traits that are better for some builds than taking a higher tier trait. So taking one or more lower tier traits at the expense of taking a second grandmaster does not make you bad at something. It makes you amazing at what you building for.

And almost all of the really good ones have been merged with something else and then bumped up to a higher tier. There are very few build defining adepts in the new system. Most of them are flavor, do I want to be able to do this, or that? And that is really how it should be. The concept of using two adepts instead of a master or a grandmaster just showed the lacking quality of traits that already existed. So they fixed them. Universally, my experience with this change has been that lines I was heavily invested in have gotten stronger and lines I was not heavily invested in I could dismiss because I gained so much more elsewhere. I only have one build that’s been shot full of holes and it wasn’t a very good, nor strong build to begin with. That’s for 12 characters.

If you can’t find something that works for you, I suspect you’re not actually trying to.

CrashTestAuto.9108:

lordkrall.7241:

Funny. People raged like mad that they were added to the BLC. Now ArenaNet apparently listened and removed them, and now that is wrong as well?

You know, if you actually took some time to understand why people were upset about things, then you wouldn’t need to ask stuff like this. You might also be able to stop spending your time on the forum attacking other people constantly.

That wasn’t a question. I know there is a question mark at the end, and that might be confusing, but he isn’t actually looking for an answer to something here. Nor is he in the dark about the why, short of maybe why people actually think the way they do despite all reason.

For those derailing the conversation to number of zones and zone size: Welcome to the conversation a couple months ago.

You kids have no idea what grinding is. I feel sorry for you, you’re spoiled.

Einlanzer.1627:

I’m actually more concerned with not being able to hybridize specializations. What if I want to be kind of good at Fire, Earth, Air, Water and Arcane instead of really good at Fire, Earth, and Arcane?

All in all though, it does have potential to be a pretty cool system.

That was never really a thing, though.
Your options were:
Be good at two things and bad at a third.
Be good at one thing and fair at two things.
Be good at one thing, fair at another thing and bad at two more.
Be good at one thing and bad at everything else.
Be fair at three things and bad at a fourth
Be fair at two things and bad at the other two.

That was your build choices.

I don’t understand. Were people actually still clinging to some kind of misguided idea that as long as the minis were available SAB might get ninja patched or something? They weren’t connected. It was just something ANet did in a poorly planned and implemented way of giving us something for April Fools that was SAB related. It was never coming back this month.

There has been no retraction on the statement that it will return, though. Simply that it will not be before HoT. If HoT hasn’t come out yet, which I’m pretty certain it has not, then there is no room to be expecting SAB. Once HoT is out, then feel free to start counting the days. Until then, keep the dream and the thread alive.

kolompi.1287:

Brother Grimm.5176:

while I’d like to see the animations return, I do NOT see a reason to attempt and elevate this above the “annoying” status it deserves. If it truly effects your “game play”, then there are other personal issues you may need to consider addressing.

Asking what the status is (without the demanding, petulant tone) is certainly acceptable.

I wonder where the line is that makes elevates stuff above “annoying” and i also wonder if we shouldn’t just play with stick figures since that would also not be game breaking and it would not affect game play eh?

Seriously, these things are part of the “living, breathing” blabla they said they were trying to create. And if “small” things are not affecting your game play then why even bother?

Besides, most of the demanding tone comes from the method they’ve handled this “issue”.

Also… i’m sure that you are not the authority on what passes for more than “annoying” and what does not – for everyone else. Or what is acceptable.

The line is very definite and obvious. When it actually changes the game, in a tangible way, it has crossed that line. This is not that.

I expect the new trait system to come with the story restore. So I think we’re looking at 4-5 weeks minimum right now.

Aidan Savage.2078:

“Standard” stuff comes before HoT if I remember reading the livestream notes correctly. Stuff like the Epic specs come WITH HoT iirc.

Since Epic Specs are part of HoT and can’t be used/acquired without HoT, that is a guarantee.

First ignore most of the advice after he first couple. They’re not being helpful they’re being elitist. You don’t need to know anything about Agony at this point.

The best advice I can give is wait for Fractal Dailies. You will get the most PUGs of newbies and such running them. Just look for titles like for Daily, or all welcome. Most of them aren’t very difficult. All of them have some special circumstances. Let them know up front that you’re new to Fractals and haven’t done them before. Then just follow along and try to take note of what is happening in each section.

Don’t run over 9. Once you have a handle on them you should be good. Individual fractals are generally pretty easy. Some are more complicated and require groups to be more coordinated. The main thing with Fractals is that they’re longer than most dungeons now because you have to go through all four of them to get the reward.

I will end up with yet more toughness. I really want a Power, Vitality, Healing Power set so I can trade some toughness for vitality while keeping my power and healing.

I’ll jump in on put it back in band wagon. I would not find it immersion breaking in the least. My human female is kitteny, she doesn’t really care all that much. Something big and dramatic is happening? Meh, she has better things to care about. She’d be bored and want to get on with it.

Astralporing.1957:

lordkrall.7241:

lukejoe.1592:

The site says that skill challenges are becoming hero challenges and hero points will replace skill points, so I’d imagine they would just convert them 1-1.

Only skill points gained from skill challenges though.
The vast majority of skill points however are gained from Scrolls and leveling, neither which will be converted to Hero Points.

That’s not what they said. They said that only currently posessed skill points in excess of the hero point cap will get converted to crafting currency. That suggests that those up to a cap will get converted to hero points.

That cap is based on your level and completed challenges. They can’t give you a single point over what you would have earned in the new system because to do so would interfere with the new system.

lukejoe.1592:

lordkrall.7241:

lukejoe.1592:

The site says that skill challenges are becoming hero challenges and hero points will replace skill points, so I’d imagine they would just convert them 1-1.

Only skill points gained from skill challenges though.
The vast majority of skill points however are gained from Scrolls and leveling, neither which will be converted to Hero Points.

You’d have to tell me where you saw that. There really doesn’t seem for there to be a reason for that to be true. But I clearly remember reading about leveling as a way to gain hero points.

I suppose you could gamble that they will not convert the actual scroll, and might want to find a home for those points on a characters now, but seems like they would be making more work for themselves if they tried to distinguish where your points came from after the fact.

They’d have a billion people claiming they counted their points wrong…and seriously I doubt they have ever built that reporting feature.

This is in the blog. All excess skill points and all skill point consumables will be converted to mystic forge mats

IndigoSundown.5419:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Mireles Lore.5942:

Didnt see the stream but saw Dulfy’s notes.

Was it ever explaind why “Armored Attack” was moved from a minor trait to an Adept AND nurfed?

Possibly, but probably not. I don’t know off hand what that is from, though, so I can’t be more specific.

Warrior. I guess I would have to look myself… I dont understand why they would nurf it and make it have a higher opprotunity cost. Its like they are trying to cement bezerker meta more.

Can’t answer why they moved a GM trait (Spiked Armor) to Minor — but to do so they chose to move Armored Attack. They also moved Cull the Weak to Master, and slightly buffed it with a 25% health or lower Weakness proc .

As to the percentage reduction on Armored Attack… it might have to do with possible stat gains from moving stats from traits to armor. Maybe their spreadsheet says that 10% is too much for some (a lot?) of builds with the revised numbers.

Also the numbers aren’t solid right now. They’re a little freeform because they haven’t gone through any kind of testing.

Celtic Lady.3729:

I thought we needed more than 465 points because of the elite specializations not being counted in that.

That’s only if you want the elite specialization.

I think my favorite thing about this argument is that it keeps grouping 3, 3, 3.

We never had access to 9 traits before.

We could get 3, 3, 1, or 3, 2, 2 at best. 3, 2, 1, 1 also. We are adding, though, two whole traits on top of everything we could have before.

Yes, it’s on rails, and so the amount of customization is less than if we had 9 total before, but since we never did it’s not comparable.

I am curious, though, how many people complaining about the lack of customization actually watched the AMA? How many people here who feel the need to double up on Adepts or Masters realize that the thing they need to double up on aren’t there anymore, or can be done better or at least as effectively in a different trait?

If your build is actually ruined, though, come into my thread Whose builds are burned and why and actually explain how and why. Maybe it was unintentional and they can improve it.

Khisanth.2948:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Tomes give you levels. But you won’t have access to all your traits: apparently you need ~460 of those new hero points while getting to level 80 will give 400. Plus, what about skills? Are you sure you’ll be given any skills in the new system if you tome it?

Well you’ll be using the hero points for unlocking both traits and sets of skills. I guess it might be possible for someone to dump all points into trait lines and have nothing left over for skill unlocks. There isn’t enough information to know if making that kind of mistake is possible.

Based on what I saw it seems like that might be abundantly possible.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Tomes give you levels. But you won’t have access to all your traits: apparently you need ~460 of those new hero points while getting to level 80 will give 400. Plus, what about skills? Are you sure you’ll be given any skills in the new system if you tome it?

These are the same people who created the current NPE, so it’s likely there will be some massive slog to get your toon into a playable state.

Leveling to 80 will give you core functionality, meaning it will allow for probably one build. It will be even easier for a Revenant to do this because unlike every other class where you can mix and match skills all the Revenant skill lines are locked together anyway. Unlock two lines and you have a build. Then, while you could mix and match traits, the trait lines are also built around legends so unlock two lines for the skill lines you picked and then whatever you can for a third and you’re golden.

You should watch the beginning of the SAS. It starts off by showing how skills and traits are unlocked in the new system.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Most of my builds utilize four trait lines. For example, my necromancer is 0/2/4/6/4 in trait point attribution. Usually this is because I find an adept trait more useful than grandmaster.

That makes half of my builds inopt with this change, and the restriction to three trait lines (or “core specializations”).

Does a loss of one minor and one adept really counter inclusion of two minors and two improved grandmasters?

After going through the whole SAS one class at a time, running it next to my actual character builds I found that more often than not I could easily drop the errant 4th line sometimes because the trait wasn’t essential and sometimes because the trait was merged into another trait in a different line.

Mireles Lore.5942:

Didnt see the stream but saw Dulfy’s notes.

Was it ever explaind why “Armored Attack” was moved from a minor trait to an Adept AND nurfed?

Possibly, but probably not. I don’t know off hand what that is from, though, so I can’t be more specific.

There will be a new resource for getting Mystic Forge mats. That said, who knows what will be involved in making the new Legendaries. They may not require the same parts. I mean, they probably do, I don’t know why they wouldn’t, but it’s impossible to say. I wouldn’t risk the cost on something I didn’t know would work.