Guild Wars 2

digiowl.9620:

One compromise could be to have the charge advancement be based on the number of platforms that succeed. Meaning that if phase 2 gets 4/5 it will barely move, but if it gets 0/5 you get the current 25% jump.

This is an amazing suggestion, I definitely agree that would be a great compromise. Then one person couldn’t make as much of a serious impact on the whole event as is currently the case. And would allow the rest of the lane to be able to partially make up for that failure.

The real proper way to fix it is just to make sure the system automatically distributes people evenly. It’s not hard. If there are 15 people in path there should be 3 on each platform, period. There should never be more than 1 person difference between any two platforms. It’s a roulette. First person in the portal always goes to platform 1. Second to 2 and so on. Sixth to 1 again. It shouldn’t be a random distribution, because it still will be random.

That’s how you fix the problem. Now it’s just a question of skill and a little bit of gear. But in that case, too bad and good. This is challenging and you can still be screwed by really bad luck, but it’s fair bad luck, not random bullkitten bad luck.

So that’s why I haven’t gotten them, that’s really dumb and annoying.

VOLKON.1290:

Hey! HEY! Look at the fourth image. Look at it again. Look at it carefully.

Yes… it’s true…

FLYING DOLYAK MOUNTS confirmed!

That isn’t a flying dolyak, it’s a rocket goat.

Great, one more thing to clutter my already absurdly cluttered inventory. Seriously, maybe 12 open spaces out of 98.

It’s a great concept, until you realize that it will effectively trivialize the whole thing. Lets say there is a non-ideal setup of 20 people in the lane. That should be five groups of 4, but because it seems to use some nonsensical measure it makes three groups of five, one group of four and a group of one. The guy in the one is screwed, obviously.

One of the groups is beast though, and they trash their warden easy. Now they pop into the other groups. It was one of the five groups, and now there are two groups of six, a group of five, and the loner is up to three, cause it worked out this time. The two groups of six finish their wardens soon after. Now we have a group of 9 and a group of 11, both for fights expecting about five. One of the groups happens to destroy their warden a little faster than the other and the last warden, the one that had been the loner is looking at twenty guys.

As each warden falls the following wardens become more and more trivial. The only way to make this a reasonable measure is to use ninja rules. As each warden falls the remaining wardens have to increase in difficulty, until the last warden can actually be a challenge for 20-30 people. Unfortunately this isn’t necessarily fun either, since we are still looking at a timer.

I tend to assume this is why they let it go the way they did. It happens every other hour on the hour so there are plenty of opportunities to finish. It’s going to fall short for some, but ultimately it probably works out.

Same, I actually have 450, but I didn’t want to spend the prices on glue and stuffing. I figured if I waited to this year I could probably get them for free. Silly me for thinking they’d actually remember.

RedStar.4218:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

skullmount.1758:

Could be Evon trying to make it look like Ellen is behind it, even though she isn’t.
Even in defeat, Evon (and/or his supporters) is still trying to take down Ellen…

Why would Evon do something that reduces income to his own business?

Because Kiel followers will do everything to sully the good name of the most wonderful Charr in this game.

What does Tybolt have to do with this?

Matt Witter.6982:

Not really a favorite, or hated. Maybe most scariest toy?

Princess Dolls. They don’t have faces!

I never noticed that before. That is a special new level of creepy.

adamryason.9817:

Emissary Vex.5690:

Ug that stuff has been wasting tons of space in my bank. I hope they developers answer so I can just finally delete it. They are the effing worst at organizing these event rewards.

Yes please, ANET answer please so I can delete the stuff taking up space in my bag or even better, use my existing frames to craft more miniatures. I have a large section of bank space dedicated to “items ANET has left in the void” where we were not told if they were needed still or not, for instance the jubilee portal keys or whatever. Gotta do something ANET

Definitely agreed. I also have a space for items that might be usable again next year. I was very disheartened to see the toy box because it seems to indicate these items are worthless.

Is it happening repeatedly, or just the once. It’s still a PvP match, so after 30 minutes it will reset on its own.

Another possibility is that you’re going too slow and dying. I’m not sure what that looks like, I haven’t gone slow enough yet.

Tranassa.4968:

Lippuringo.1742:

My only negative with this is a reward. 3 stupid presents for this is just a joke. Paths getting very repetitive when you completed them several times and there is become no challenge. So why should i bother in repetitve and static JP for 3 gifts, if i can do more fun things?

THIS!
Rewards are like in PvP! Just a bad joke…

If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

The reward was never good. You used to be lucky to get a present at all.

Ireth.4087:

it’s easier than last years..but what i want to discuss is anet consuming too much mushrooms. what idiocy is to make it repeatable and ask of us to repeat it freakin 20 times for only ..and read…1 freakin achievement point? up to 15? in total if i repeat this puzzle 300 times? guys you should really stop smoking pot when you put things like this into game. it’s 400% bull as far as reward is considered. both achievement and prize alike.

So don’t do it. I’ll end up doing it anyway because I enjoy it. 20 is easy.

There is nothing random about any of this. The present are not random, they explode in a predetermined pattern, they always have. The wind is not random it gusts in a predetermined pattern, it always has. If you wait and watch you can figure out the pattern, it’s not even hard. You can just sit there in front of them indefinitely now since there isn’t a timer.

The only thing that’s changed is the pacing of the run.

Princess Doll, she’s an unholy terror.

I like the second one. I could actually consider getting this for my Necro. The old look reminded my of Death of Rats from Discworld.

Norreka stole everyone’s luck. Thanks a lot Norreka. They look pretty cool though, so that’s nice.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Fun fact: I spend a lot in the gem store. Real money, never gold. I support the game I love. It doesn’t feel like it matters though. And that’s why I am personally upset.

Fun fact: Gem story money goes to NCSoft, not ANet. NCSoft can and does use that money for anything they want, including development of entirely unrelated games. It has no direct connection to the game you’re purchasing it for and doesn’t specifically support that game.

SkyChef.5432:

If you think a customer doesn’t deserve an answer from a company, regardless of the customer’s attitude, then there is something wrong w/ your thinking (and your company’s culture). Even a lowly McDonald employee knows better than that.

Zelyhn.8069:

When a car company releases a vehicle that is later revealed to be faulty it immediately issues a call to customers asking them to return the products and it gives them a refund / fix the car for free.

Anet released faulty content and remained silent despite the numerous calls for answers/fixes issued by their customers.

You make the comparisons you want with this example, but I would just like to add that usually when a car company makes a new – faulty- car they do not have the insanity to take away previously released and used cars from their previously satisfied customers.

You may link this statement with the removal of fractals 80 at your own risk.

You can’t compare the game industry to the food industry, nor the automotive industry. Food industry is all about customer service. You can get relatively equivalent food from any number of places. The reason you eat where you eat is usually dependent on convenience and the personal experience you had the last time you were there, or that you had somewhere else. Good or bad respectively.

In the Gaming industry it is the product that matters. Not the experience you had interacting with the employees, which is expected to happen very rarely.

In the Automotive industry when they put out a vehicle that is faulty that could very literally cost lives and cause injuries. This is not the case with a game bug. It is an inconvenience, not a death trap.

Romo.3709:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Romo.3709:

You make it sounds like we don’t see what is going on and we’re blind to everything that’s happening around us. You keep saying that Anet will not respond. You know that how? .

Sorry, I’m cutting it off here because this is a good example of why I keep responding. I have explained this exact thing multiple times, at least once on this very page. So to answer your assertion more than your question, yes. You are blind to what is happening around you. Maybe you never had a reason to observe until now, I don’t know, but anyone who has actually watched the forums like I have should know it’s true. This is what they do, and how they treat us. They are listening, but they are silent watchers. They are not givers, which is not to say they never do, obviously. This is what’s going on. This is the situation. This is what you don’t seem to see, and then rage against me about when I point it out.

That’s a perfect example of being close-minded. You are saying that nothing can be accomplished by repetition, yet you’re saying the same thing over and over again without any results. Take you own advice. I tried to explain why we are the way we are, but it doesn’t seem to get to you.
Regardless I for once am practically done with fractals along with many of my friends. We went from doing couple of them per day to maybe once per week, and that’s only when we’re utterly bored. The sense of any progression has been lost, and with Anet being silent on pretty much everything oriented around this release is not helping either.

I do get it. I just got called away for a time before I could add. The post shifted in tone significantly after the point I snipped it.

I get what you mean, but I can’t help but consider it delusion more than faith. That may just be a difference of perspective. Perhaps all faith is just delusion to someone.

My point, though, has mostly always been about their silence. They’re always silent. They actually very very rarely say anything helpful or relevant. When they do it may be in a brief burst, but then it ends and that’s the end of it. There aren’t explanations, they just stop. That is their standard practice. Getting upset with them doesn’t help, demanding doesn’t help, begging doesn’t help. There are a great many incidents of this. This thread isn’t a special case.

Marna Nindar.8120:

Kal Spiro.9745:

It’s actually the exact right wording. “You don’t deserve…” It has nothing to do with what you want, what I want or what anyone wants. I don’t have any control, nor impact on the actions of ANet. I am not so eloquent that my words have swayed them to keep tight lipped. I’ve never advocated that they should or should not do anything. I have never advocated a preference. I have simply described the situation as it actually is, rather than through my or anyone else’s desires.

Those who want an answer, that’s fine. But this thread has long since deviated from people desiring something to people who seem to feel an obligation has been imposed due to repetition. It has not. You don’t “deserve” an answer because you want one, nor because you’ve asked repeatedly, nor because you’ve waited less than patiently, nor even for being patient. There is no obligation to answer. If ones comes, it does. It’s silly to expect one, or to even consider it might come because ANet is notoriously bad at responding. That’s why every response they give is so often such a big deal. There is no rhyme, nor reason to what they respond to. There is no way to predict it, but the safe bet is that there will be none at all. Asking repeatedly and demanding, though, have no impact on its likelihood.

I actually do like your answer, but I can’t agree with the fact that we don’t deserve an answer. I mean, if we take it literally, it means that they are not obliged to give us one, which is true. Nobody will enforce them to anwer questions. But their silence is only having the effect of making the user base angry and frustrated. The issue is, the effort level required to answer not all, but only some of those questions would be so minimal if only slightly organised that paying customers may and will feel like they deserve it. You don’t even have to read all the forums, you could just give an answer to the OP. I’m sure that seeing three red dots a day will make everyone happy here. Recurring questions like why did we get downscaled; why there is no compensation; why did they add more dredges; why did the camera angle get shifted; … would have already been taken care of since 10 days, and the answer accepted even if not liked. Like they did before the patch came actually down, where a dev took his time to explain what changes were made to the AR system so that everyone could calm down and be assured that they would not lose current AR.

The most frustrating feeling is that it seems like they tend to avoid giving answers on controversial topics (which may be entirely false, because I understand it is a very subjective feeling). What then makes it for me and for the other players so bad and feel like the answer really is deserved, is that THEY created this forum, THEY wanted it. Before there were communities like gw2guru (which btw still exist), where nothing official was (usually)released and where users expected no official answers. Now ANet directly manages the boards, the company we paid for, and a lackluster comunication is, at the very least, frustrating.

I don’t fully understand how forum usage for a company is supposed to work. I know that in the past they have taken issue with an employee who actually gave a lot of attention to the community, and that was the SAB guy. He was amazingly attentive to that entire forum, then suddenly stopped being. It was clear, also, that his sudden absence wasn’t due to being burned out or displeased by the community, but rather because ANet did not want him to be saying as much as he was.

Based on this, and several other incidents, as well as a relative knowledge of how some other companies do it, I think it’s actually very hard for them to do even as little as you’re suggesting. SWTOR, for instance, has a department specifically for talking to the community on the forums, and even they get very little in the way of actual communication because everything that department says has to be approved. Without such a department it becomes even more complicated because that leaves the programmers, artists and writers who are doing their own jobs, which has nothing to do with the forums. I think the best method is CIG, the company behind Star Citizen, who has a standing order that each of their people spend an hour a week, or so, answering questions relevant to their position. They have an unprecedented level of communication and everybody seems to stay pretty happy. They would have made the title and everyone would have known about it right at the beginning.

Romo.3709:

You make it sounds like we don’t see what is going on and we’re blind to everything that’s happening around us. You keep saying that Anet will not respond. You know that how? .

Sorry, I’m cutting it off here because this is a good example of why I keep responding. I have explained this exact thing multiple times, at least once on this very page. So to answer your assertion more than your question, yes. You are blind to what is happening around you. Maybe you never had a reason to observe until now, I don’t know, but anyone who has actually watched the forums like I have should know it’s true. This is what they do, and how they treat us. They are listening, but they are silent watchers. They are not givers, which is not to say they never do, obviously. This is what’s going on. This is the situation. This is what you don’t seem to see, and then rage against me about when I point it out.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I just feel like your logic is flawed, Kal. You posit that by continuing to ask we aren’t helping our case. However, if we let the thread die, we aren’t helping our case.

In your attempt at logic, I feel like you’re achieving the opposite, with logical fallacies in every post.

Actually, your initial description is correct. Nothing you do will help your case. Take that how you will. Do with it what you will. Some would take that to mean, if doing it or not doing it won’t help then I’ll take the easy road and not do it. Others, and I’m certain you’re in this group, I certainly am, would say if nothing changes if I do it or don’t then I’ll do it.

You do it under the misguided belief that repetition makes your stance more worthy. It doesn’t. I do it under the misguided belief that if I explain it enough something might click and you might begin understand the situation.

Fror.2163:

The thread will die soon anyways, Lilith: the archive forum awaits us.

Why is there an expectation that this forum will be archived soon. It should still have another two weeks on it. They stay up for a month, it hasn’t been a month, has it?

Romo.3709:

But yet you still keep coming back here.

And I will continue to do so until there is no reason to. Why wouldn’t I? “Discussion” continues.

Romo.3709:

Marna Nindar.8120:

I really don’t know why some posters do not want to receive answers. I mean, everybody knows that small minds cannot handle all the answers, but in this case we are not speaking about high philosophical questions. Everybody should be able to process the information coming from a dev answer.

So, to those people who say that we doesn’t deserve an answer (YES, I know this isn’t the wording you are using, but the concept is similar), care to elaborate why YOU don’t want US to get an answer, even a vague one, from ANet? Thank you.

PS: In case it wasn’t clear for some, you can count me on the ones who would really appreciate answers about ANYTHING that has been written during 2 weeks, because even if I really enjoyed most of the new contents, it is really mind blogging that not even a single member of ANet staff has found the time to read at least the OP of a single thread in this section AND give an answer after the patch came out.

The answer to this question is simpler than you think. People like Kal have lost absolutely nothing. They were probably stuck in heir personal reward level 29 while doing level 28 fractal over and over again without any need to progress nor level any alts. That update not only it didn’t affect their personal level, it also lowered the rewards requirement to teens instead of upper 20s. This way they can keep doing level 10-19 instead of 28. They can also bring their alts into fractals now without lifting a finger leveling those. In these people’s eyes, this update was the best thing that ever happened. Sadly they’re in state of mind where as long as it benefits them it benefits everyone. And to them we are asking for too much, since the update gave them everything they could possibly want. When it comes to compensation for lost levels their mindset is something along the lines of: “If I don’t get anything, why should you?”
All that can be easily seen in all the posts from these players.

You really know nothing about me. I play this game for fun. I couldn’t even begin to care if my alts can do fractals, I only run dungeons, fractals, WvW and basically anything that isn’t the open world with my main.

It personally effected me even less than that. It benefitted me not at all. I have never described my personal interest in this because it’s of absolutely no relevance to any of these discussions. I have only ever stated the situation as it actually exists. I have used intuition, experience, rational thinking and logic to describe the actions of ANet so those here would be informed and do the same. I don’t want you to lose anything, I don’t want to gain anything, I don’t want the reverses of those either. My personal desires are of no relevance. I honestly don’t care what happens either way, I’m just telling you what is.

Marna Nindar.8120:

I really don’t know why some posters do not want to receive answers. I mean, everybody knows that small minds cannot handle all the answers, but in this case we are not speaking about high philosophical questions. Everybody should be able to process the information coming from a dev answer.

So, to those people who say that we don’t deserve an answer (YES, I know this isn’t the wording you are using, but the concept is similar), care to elaborate why YOU don’t want US to get an answer, even a vague one, from ANet? Thank you.

PS: In case it wasn’t clear for some, you can count me on the ones who would really appreciate answers about ANYTHING that has been written during 2 weeks, because even tough I really enjoyed most of the new contents, it is really mind blogging that not even a single member of ANet staff has found the time to read at least the OP of a single thread in this section AND give an answer after the patch came out.

EDIT: Corrected some mistakes

It’s actually the exact right wording. “You don’t deserve…” It has nothing to do with what you want, what I want or what anyone wants. I don’t have any control, nor impact on the actions of ANet. I am not so eloquent that my words have swayed them to keep tight lipped. I’ve never advocated that they should or should not do anything. I have never advocated a preference. I have simply described the situation as it actually is, rather than through my or anyone else’s desires.

Those who want an answer, that’s fine. But this thread has long since deviated from people desiring something to people who seem to feel an obligation has been imposed due to repetition. It has not. You don’t “deserve” an answer because you want one, nor because you’ve asked repeatedly, nor because you’ve waited less than patiently, nor even for being patient. There is no obligation to answer. If ones comes, it does. It’s silly to expect one, or to even consider it might come because ANet is notoriously bad at responding. That’s why every response they give is so often such a big deal. There is no rhyme, nor reason to what they respond to. There is no way to predict it, but the safe bet is that there will be none at all. Asking repeatedly and demanding, though, have no impact on its likelihood.

Romo.3709:

SkyChef.5432:

And I was here during the snowflake exploit (never care about it btw) and people used exactly the same excuses using here. Just saying.

Wow… You guys all talk like we’re getting rich or something… It’s a salvage robot that was specifically sold to people that go through extreme amount of salvage kits a day. Obviously not going out there and salvaging tons of exotics and rares with it, since it much better to use Mystic Kit.
The fact is, if this was in fact considered an exploit (which I highly doubt), Anet would jump on it the day it was mentioned. It’s been two weeks now without any Anet involvement. Do the logical thinking. We’re talking copper here, not gold.

Speak for yourself, I can usually get a couple silver for runes and sigils. Copper, ha! I’m rolling is silvers!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Yeah, that is really all we’re asking for. A response. Because we went 3 weeks waiting. The CC said they were gathering feedback. And nothing.

They said they were gathering feedback. When did they say they were going to share anything back with us?

Fror.2163:

lordkrall.7241:

Fror.2163:

No, no feedback at all. Even when we ask politely, we don’t get any answer: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/ArenaNet-can-we-gather-some-feedback-too/3337399

Ah yes, the title of that thread is definitely “polite”

A little joke makes the title not polite? I don’t see why this is not polite. Probably ‘cause I’m not a native English speaker, but using a little joke on the answer they keep giving us never made anything not polite.

Most people don’t consider sarcasm to be polite.

Romo.3709:

Kal Spiro.9745:

You probably could have saved yourself a lot of grief if you’d accepted it back when the rest of the community did. Nothing that has been said in the last five pages, at least, is anything that would warrant them to turn around and actually post something here. There just is no actual, legitimate, reason for them to do so.

You mean accept what exactly? That we’re being rewarded for not playing the content and getting all of our alts bumped to a very high level we have previously achieved on a single character? Oh wait, that was only you and rest of “that community” that never cared for fractals and in fact, still doesn’t care a single bit for them. The only thing that I agree with you is that in last 5 pages, not a single post (made by you) meant anything at all to any of us.

Accept that nothing was, nor is, ever going to come of this. Considering how few of you there are here and how many people post in all the other threads, play the game, and definitely run fractals, I would say the rest of “your community” too, not just mine. You know, the ones that do care about Fractals, but rather than sitting around complaining about something that wasn’t coming just went back to playing the game.

Since I didn’t say anything even remotely like what you said, I don’t think that’s an agreement. But I don’t particularly care if you agree. I was simply stating the situation as it exists. Hindsight is 20/20, but since I told you the same thing back when it was foresight, I don’t think that statement applies.

You probably could have saved yourself a lot of grief if you’d accepted it back when the rest of the community did. Nothing that has been said in the last five pages, at least, is anything that would warrant them to turn around and actually post something here. There just is no actual, legitimate, reason for them to do so.

As long as you continue to use the thing as normal there is absolutely no reason for concern. Anyone who is paranoid about this doesn’t understand what an exploit is and is quite literally paranoid.

If you start buying extremely cheap rares and salvage them all with the CFSoM instead of a high end salvage kit you may get in trouble as it is clear that’s not normal behavior. But using it for normal use is normal. Regardless of the outcome you’re using it as normal and that is not an exploit. You have to do something abnormal, get an abnormal result, and then continue to do that thing in order to be exploiting, because that’s what an exploit is. Doing something normal and getting an abnormal result is not exploiting. It’s a bug. Report the bug and continue to do what you normally do.

This bothered me too. I made the golem and the gryphon. But I kept all the bits for the other three. I don’t want to open a box and get one of the things I’d already earned. I was hoping to make the others this year.

Not that minis really matter for anything until we get a mini slot.

Romo.3709:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Romo.3709:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

You know it’s alway a bad sign if things getting stolen from minorities and the majority don’t cares about it or even says it is right…

That was my point of view from the beginning of this whole debate. When I actually saw players standing behind hurting other players. At that moment the hope was lost in the whole companionship of Guild Wars 2…

Maybe if you actually lost something more than an arbitrary difficulty level for content that no longer exists… Like if you lost any gear/skins you got or you lost your AR or your fractal tokens, something tangible.

That comes from one point of view. For example if you lost a watch, and it was an important watch to you, since you worked really hard in your teen years to afford it and finally got it, you’d be kinda bummed. Then when someone else would loose the same watch, they’d just go and buy another one, because it had no meaning to them. That arbitrary number wasn’t just a number to us. It was something we worked hard for therefore it was more important to us than it is to you. Simple as that. If you cannot understand that simple concept, I unfortunately cannot put it in any simpler words.

A company can’t gauge value based on feelings. That’s been the main problem with this from the start. This concept of Equity connecting to an intangible indefinable concept. It does not and no “definition” of the word in which this is the case can be considered valid. You can be compensated for the watch with a replacement or an equivalent value to the watch. You can’t be effectively compensated for your emotional attachment to the watch.

I kind of want to hope that this is even the case with respect to the PvPers that are getting a title. Some actual tangible thing they currently have that is easily defined and presentable, in addition to their finishers which they’re keeping, will be lost and that is why they’re getting a title. If it isn’t, then I really don’t think that should be a thing either. Not that it matters what I think where their decisions are concerned.

Yay for thing breaking beneficially.

Romo.3709:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

You know it’s alway a bad sign if things getting stolen from minorities and the majority don’t cares about it or even says it is right…

That was my point of view from the beginning of this whole debate. When I actually saw players standing behind hurting other players. At that moment the hope was lost in the whole companionship of Guild Wars 2…

Maybe if you actually lost something more than an arbitrary difficulty level for content that no longer exists… Like if you lost any gear/skins you got or you lost your AR or your fractal tokens, something tangible.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Gene Archer.8560:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Banquetto.9521:

Agreed. I’m so bummed out that we’re never going to get to play through the origins of Abaddon’s secret alliance with Scarlet.

Noooooo! It can’t be! That’s impossible!

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

We know for a fact that Scarlet wouldn’t be involved with the Abaddon Fractal. The Reactor’s meltdown was recent, thus it makes perfect sense for her to be involved with the Inquest’s research. Abaddon’s battle was at the dawn of magic, before there were Dragons.

Basically, people who voted for Kiel, voted for Scarlet. People who voted for Evon, voted for the best Fractal idea that Anet could have provided. It’s a shame that it’ll never happen now.

I would have ignored this, but no. Abaddon was not before the Dragons. The Dragons actually predate the gods. Abaddon was aware of the Dragons and was trying to make magic available to everyone, potentially so that it would be diminished enough to prevent the Dragons from returning. Or possibly to get them to return. Hard to say really.

In any case it wasn’t the Dawn of anything, it was just a time in the past. And since Scarlet has weird teleportation powers, access to chaos energy, and potentially access to temporal instabilities, there is nothing to say she couldn’t have become involved in all that too. She seems pretty interested in the Dragons and Abaddon is deeply connected to them, even if the why and how isn’t entirely understood.

Banquetto.9521:

Agreed. I’m so bummed out that we’re never going to get to play through the origins of Abaddon’s secret alliance with Scarlet.

Noooooo! It can’t be! That’s impossible!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

There weren’t. I actually followed those threads. So…. Yeah.

I’m just saying you guys didn’t have to make it difficult for us to ask. You guys didn’t have to devalue us.

I disagree. I consider it my responsibility to speak against things I don’t believe in.

Well, good day then. I can see there really is no discussion here. You didn’t feel the need to do the same to those asking for compensation for their gathering tools, nor the whole armor fiasco, but for some reason, this matters to you, so meh.

Good day, sir.

I only follow three forums, Suggestions, Rangers, and the latest Living Story. Those didn’t take place in those forums, this one did.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

There weren’t. I actually followed those threads. So…. Yeah.

I’m just saying you guys didn’t have to make it difficult for us to ask. You guys didn’t have to devalue us.

I disagree. I consider it my responsibility to speak against things I don’t believe in. I would have spoken against that thread too if I’d seen it, but it most likely occurred on a forum I don’t go to.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This is why we are mad at people like you for arguing with us. These pages of complaints might have gotten a response if you hadn’t spent so much energy devaluing our claims… We might have gotten something, instead, we get ignored.

Does that actually seem even remotely reasonable? Do you think there weren’t just as many people “devaluing” the claims of the infinite tool complaints? Really? That’s how it works. Someone comes up with a thing to complain about and someone else points out why it’s silly, or why it won’t work. In very few cases is a thing so reasonable that no one speaks against it, and do you know what happens with those? Still usually nothing. I didn’t keep your precious “compensation” from being a reality. It simply wasn’t going to happen.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

How about the amount of gems we spent on our fractal weapons and the transmute crystals? How about the weapons we got that aren’t skins (they say it’s a technical issue with these, but they literally could put an npc like the gathering tool one so we could exchange). These are monetary and reward issues. Do we deserve compensation? Or do we not deserve anything at all, according to you?

That tools things is stupid and those people shouldn’t have gotten anything at all. I’m totally on board with that. I really can’t imagine why they gave in to that one at all, let alone is short order. They wanted a tool for each of their characters, so they bought one for each. That was wrong.

As for your Fractal Items. That’s a tough one. Since they’re level 80 and transmuting level 80 items required the rarer and typically purchased item it’s tougher, but I think I have to go with no. I know it sucks, but the same goes for every other level 80 item with a unique appearance. Dungeon and Cultural items for instance. They’re not skins, so you first have to buy them, then transmute them.

They’re fixing a mistake that didn’t have options at the time. Skins weren’t really introduced until later. I’m hoping they’ll apply them to all types of items in the future, but I won’t feel put off for the number of Crystals I would therefore have wasted by transmuting all those pieces of level 80 gear. Be happy that it will be easier to deal with in the future, and consider the cost the price of having them early in the life of the game.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kal, so what do you know about the company that we don’t? They compensated those with the infinite tools, despite those people not actually losing anything, and they really didn’t actually have to do that. What made this case different? I’m seriously wondering where the difference is.

What compensation are we talking about here? I have infinite tools and I don’t recall anyone compensating me for anything. Unless you mean the conversion from soulbound to account bound. If that’s what we’re talking about then, yeah, that’s because of the potential use of real money. Since they changed how the tools work, and real money could have been used to buy them, they were obligated to ensure anyone who got them could convert them.

If we’re talking about something else, I don’t know it, and I haven’t gotten anything for it. Granted I also haven’t even bothered to convert my tools cause I don’t have any intention of trading them between characters.

This is why I keep explaining that you’re using the word Equity wrong. So is the guy in that article, though he is fairly clever in trying to connect the dots between your home and your game. He’s still wrong about what equity actually is. It has nothing to do with your time or your knickknacks or anything like that. It has to do with actual physical and definable value, not intangible emotional value.

Your Fractal level has no value except that intangible emotional one. That can’t be monetized and therefore can’t be effectively used to gauge the worth of doing anything. Some people, like you guys, care deeply about it. Others don’t care nearly so much and just move forward to play the game.

Is it worth putting in the effort to appease maybe ten people when thousands more just accepted it and moved on?

JMar.3254:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Yes, and yes. I agree and said as much, they fully had the ability. I have no doubt what so ever that just about any programmer in the company could throw together a title, link it to people who had fractal level whatever and implement it in at least an hour.

My stance simply was that they have shown consistently that this is not how they operate and despite their ability to do it and the uproar that they should, they would not. They have a way they operate, and that’s not within their design.

That’s a more understandable approach, even though I still disagree with it, I can’t say you are wrong.

Early you said it was not possible, in which case you were wrong.

It’s the same thing. The possibility of you getting it was zero. They could do it, but they would not. It amounts to the same thing.

Moshari.8570:

JMar.3254:

Kal Spiro.9745:

In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.

I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.

If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.

I think that all Kal has been meaning all along (please forgive me for speaking on your behalf Kal) was that there was never enough time to implement a major change, and that has been his stance, that no matter how much people wanted it, there simply was not time and as such it would never happen.

I personally disagree and posted in the past under that vein. If you look at my old posts, they started with more drastic changes when the devs had 1 week, and slowly moved towards simpler and simpler things as the week progressed to the point where they had only 1 day prior to the patch…where I suggested a title…which honestly could have been done patch day even. I worked with game developers for 5 years….I am simplifying this but basically it is a database Query (for fractal level) with a line of code added to anyone in the query into their “titles” bar, the longest part about this change was following through on a change process (requiring QA time, etc) before implementation.

Something COULD have happened prior to patch….but as the days went on, but it could never have been to the patch itself…it had to be “external” to the patch. Granting bonus chests is something outside of the patch and even bug-fix people can do that and have done that to make up for mistakes that were made (“i’m sorry we lost your gem-purchase, here are the gems purchased as well as a bonus chest for your trouble”).

Yes, and yes. I agree and said as much, they fully had the ability. I have no doubt what so ever that just about any programmer in the company could throw together a title, link it to people who had fractal level whatever and implement it in at least an hour.

My stance simply was that they have shown consistently that this is not how they operate and despite their ability to do it and the uproar that they should, they would not. They have a way they operate, and that’s not within their design.

JMar.3254:

Kal Spiro.9745:

In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.

I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.

If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.

Agreed, and also irrelevant. The decisions of a company on how to deal with their customers, and the rate at which they are willing to push those decisions through have nothing in common with flipping a coin.

JMar.3254:

Moshari.8570:

Degree examples

This is actually still a very good example. My fiance and I went to the same college. One year before she graduated, they decided to switch from quarters to semesters.

Even though content and material changed due to this, she kept all her quarter credit, and finished up with semesters.

The university did not “reset her progress” back to freshman or sophomore year.

Did the actual content that they were teaching change just because they switched, and did the requirements for the degree retroactively change? Both of those things can be said to have occurred where the fractals are concerned.

JMar.3254:

Kal Spiro.9745:

I don’t think “It was impossible, and won’t happen,” is any such admission. I’m not wrong, I know I’m not wrong because the only situation in which I would be wrong is actually the one where you got it. You didn’t, I’m not wrong.

What about the TOS?

Just because something didn’t happen doesn’t make it impossible. I’ll start with a very easy example.

You flip a coin. It lands on heads. You seem to argue that you knew it was going to be heads the whole time, and it was impossible to be tails because it didn’t happen. You are wrong, there was, roughly, a 50% chance for it to be tails.

Lets extrapolate that example even further. You flip a coin, I could argue that it is possible to land on the edge of the coin, neither falling to tails nor heads. You would say it’s impossible. But you would be wrong, just like this example, because improbable =/= impossible.

I should bring back my logic is hard signature.

Studying the TOS was an answer to your question about your sig

Actually I would say it’s unlikely. There is a possibility that if you flip a coin enough times the very matter that makes up the coin could spontaneously rearrange itself and the coin could come up broccoli.

None of this changes the fact that you were never going to be compensated for this by the time Fractured came out, and that the likelihood of you ever being compensated diminishes daily.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

If we don’t let the thread die we can show we haven’t let it go. Is that okay with you kal? Is it okay if we keep trying?

I’m unclear what this has to do with me. I don’t dictate what you can and cannot do. I never have and I’ve never tried. If the question is a request that I butt out of whatever it is you have to say on the matter I won’t agree to that. If I think what your says is wrong I’ll remark, that’s all I’ve ever done.

JMar.3254:

Kal Spiro.9745:

In a world of unlimited possibilities, you could, but you still won’t because that’s not how it works. Wishful thinking does not impact the decision making process. The decision was made before anyone ever brought it up here, and that wasn’t going to change. The question will also disappear before they ever need to be concerned with it. If you’re not looking in terms of months your view is too narrow. It was impossible, and it won’t happen.

…why is my sig not displaying…

So then we agree you’re wrong, and that it was possible, good.

My guess is you haven’t studied the TOS enough.

I don’t think “It was impossible, and won’t happen,” is any such admission. I’m not wrong, I know I’m not wrong because the only situation in which I would be wrong is actually the one where you got it. You didn’t, I’m not wrong.

What about the TOS?

JMar.3254:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Yes, in this particular argument, I think I knew for a fact that what happened would happen. It doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong, it was the only legitimate decision they could possibly make on the subject. JMar claiming it’s not true, despite the outcome, does not discount that fact.

You can think that, but then you’re wrong, again.

We could still receive compensation, as unlikely as it is.

A pig could be shot out of a catapult, crash through your window, and land in your living room, as improbable as it is.

Impossible =/= improbable.

In a world of unlimited possibilities, you could, but you still won’t because that’s not how it works. Wishful thinking does not impact the decision making process. The decision was made before anyone ever brought it up here, and that wasn’t going to change. The question will also disappear before they ever need to be concerned with it. If you’re not looking in terms of months your view is too narrow. It was impossible, and it won’t happen.

…why is my sig not displaying…