However, I’d argue that what you’ve described is not objectification, it’s idealization, an argument that is presented in a more fun way here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7290-Objectification-And-Men
This guys criticism is absolute bullox. He purposefully over exaggerates the positive qualities of men & games & under exaggerates the flattening of male "characters"especially when it comes to the disposeability of men (how many games do you kill huge number of women & are huge numbers of women EXPECTED to die?)
& then says women are “things” men want, when pretty even “save the princess” stories are based around characters that actually care about women. He treats all games as Duke Nukem & AoD Beach volleyball. It’s an old smoke screen but it doesn’t hold up to real factual scrutiny. He uses labels to, ironically, create the same argument he rallies against “it sounds good to say, but it’s not true.”I think the label of objectification doesn’t hold up to most modern uses. we toss it around to everything we find offensive. I might like my female Norn to have a metal bikini, but that does NOT make her less of a character than when I put plate armor on her, & it doesn’t make my male characters have any more character than her
Wow… you actually just used Damsel in Distress game devices to argue that women are NOT the goal that men are attempting to acquire? How did that even happen?
I have never felt objectified as a man playing a strong character able to slaughter hundreds of my foes without any concern for my well being. Because that is an ideal. I don’t think many women have ever said the same thing about being a helpless princess who is easily and constantly captured by the same gross guy waiting to be rescued by some guy who she’s not actually even in a relationship with, he’s just around a lot.
This content and all other temporary content is optional………….. There is still the rest of the game. If you don’t want to put in the time , you won’t get the rewards. This is by far the best update they have released. Seems like every update that is tied to LS keeps on improving.
Also if you don’t like the whole Living Story concept , then just don’t participate in them. There are many players out there that don’t give two craps about LS, at least they don’t come on the forums and cry about it.
The problem is that those who don’t have nothing new to play.
Tyria is huge and since you can’t out level a zone all of it is always available to play in. I almost guarantee that there is some event somewhere that you’ve never seen before and didn’t realize existed. If you don’t like LS, go find that event. Go play in zones you don’t typically spend time in. Go play the game.
If you’re not interested in playing the game, then why exactly are you?
There is no reason to ever buy, use or go to the Royal Terrace. The only thing there that isn’t already in DR proper, and not even that far away are the portals and well. If you’re portaling anyway, go to LA. For the well, if it’s really that important then I can’t help.
I don’t have a problem with the weapon system as it currently is. I don’t necessarily care for the skill system that Guild Wars 1 had. That said, having the ability to swap out weapon skills for different skills, as long as it is restricted by slot and not a full on mix and match, would be a nice addition to the game. I think it would also go a long way toward appeasing the GW1 players who really liked that, as well as the MMO players who were looking for a more robust system in general.
I think the search for the weapon master type people at level 80 for special and flashy skills would give level 80’s something more to do and give them the feeling that they are still progressing after level 80.
This is only true if they made the trainers like the Guild Bounty Hunters who wander around their specific zone. Incidentally I think that would be a really great idea. I would also like to have to fight them with the chosen weapon in order to even get them to offer.
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Yeah, being able to dye any of it would make me willing to use it at all.
That’s how all the dragon minions work. It’s very annoying since they’re the only source of consistent giants in the game.
I 100% support this idea.
the pass is a convenience item to save having to go back to Div Reach to use banks etc…
Have you not noticed the slow loading of instances now and the plethora of junk you get from the instance… all adds up to “I cant be bothered to keep jumping out of instance to empty and crush stuff” otherwise its another zzzzz waiting to load and then fall into overflow… smart move on ANETS part but not something I will be buying.
Except the Pavilion and Divinity’s Reach aren’t in the same zone. The Terrace is in Divinity’s Reach, a zone that already has most of those things in fairly close proximity, while the Pavilion requires zoning to reach which prompts all the problems you just pointed out.
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There is only one Magician in Tyria. He summons birds to peck out his eyes. He changes colors. Occasionally he blows himself up.
So using the physical features of a woman is sexist, giving them all cooking equipment is progressive?
I officially don’t understand feminism anymore.
The physical features of a woman do not make a thing sexist, it is the form in which they are represented, and the degree to which they are represented, within context, that makes a thing sexist.
There have been a small handful other places where this has happened. I believe it happen to me in Caledon or Metrica, but I’m not 100%.
In any case there are more than enough balloons in the world to get the 30 you need without the couple that are bugged.
That said, there are always other ways to convey femininity without resorting to giving things boobs and hips,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This x1000000000
And they can (and do) convey femininity without resorting to giving things boobs and hips. Does that mean that they can’t conveny femininity by giving things boobs and hips? Absolutely not.
There are plenty of ways that femininity is displayed in the game without relying on boobs or hips. It’s totally OK for them to use boobs and hips. There is no taboo on the female form.
People getting up and arms about anything that is sexualised or anything in the game which uses focuses on boobs and hips are being unreasonable. The game does not set a trend for demeaning women, the whole ceremony is about a female queen for crying out loud!
Learn to accept diversity. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean other people won’t. Not everything has to be the way you want it.
There are multiple ways to convey femininity, and they’ve used one here. They didn’t just use one throughout the entire game. If this was the only thing they did, go ahead, preach. It’s not. It’s just one and you don’t like it. There are others out there.
It’s not unreasonable when it’s entirely one sided. These robots make no sense. Their purpose is supposed to be to show the enduring spirit of humanity, but I don’t consider the enduring spirit of humanity to be tall sexy ladies posing next to halberds. They’re all sexy ladies, for no good reason. If half of them had been male then that would have fulfilled their purpose, and most likely people wouldn’t have had a problem because it’s at least even.
I really don’t understand how people don’t see this. This is a thing, and no matter how much you try to claim it isn’t a thing or just brush it away as inconsequential it is still a thing.
I’m mostly upset that they had to have -high heels.-
I mean… really? really?
Wearing high heels means you’re no longer capable? You do realize these robots transform into other creatures to fight ya? But, even if they didn’t what does wearing high heels have to do with their abilities or presence?
Women choose to wear heels all the time, and I don’t think that makes them any less of a women.
Now….lets look at this from another perspective. When you fight, or play sports, you don’t typically stand flat footed. Humans distribute their weight on the balls of their feet so they can quickly move.
That is why soccer cleats have more spikes at the toes, and only a few at the heels. So, from a fighting perspective, these “high heels” aren’t really an issue.
In the end, it’s just a design choice. It’s meant to make them look taller, and more sleek (just like real high heels). I don’t think the intention was to make them some porn-bot with the intention of being someone secretary, and bending over to pick up dropped Skritt bottles.
No no no no no no no no. NO. Until you have worn high heels yourself, you are not allowed to say high heels do not affect ones abilities. Comparing them to soccer cleets? I would pick soccer cleets any day of the week. First, high heels make you very, VERY wobbley. Extremely unstable. Try walking, running, or even going up stairs on your tippy toes. Without killing yourself. That’s on a hard surface. If you step into the grass or dirt, your high heel sinks 100% into the squishy ground and you come tumbling down. Don’t walk over a grate, or an uneven surface. Forget trying to walk on a gravel road too. High heels are notorious for having no grip to them. Don’t stand on something smooth or wet cuz your feet will come right out from under you. Running in high heels? Nope. Forget it. If I were being chased by a dog and all I had on were heels, the heels would get kicked off first and I would go barefoot. Last but not least, they are uncomfortable. I can’t wear them for more than an hour before my feet cramp up and hurt.
haha I love this. I can’t believe some people. Running in heels really? They obviously haven’t watched last week’s episode of true blood. Seriously, that’s exactly what it looks like when two women are chasing each other in heels.
I was thinking the same thing. She really should have taken off her heels before trying that grated floor.
Don’t try to take torch from my Ranger just cause you want it. And setting yourself on fire is classic Guardian, they be crazy.
so why dont they make the ones they send in the mail soulbound and the drop ones unsoulbound they did that to begin with cus you couldent stack the two together its just kittening stupid
Because it’s all or nothing. No, the question you should be asking is why they didn’t just send one mail to your account rather than send an individual mail to each of your characters. They have been doing this account mail since December. Do you know why? Because people kept abusing their ability to get stuff easily by making a new character and getting stuff. So to curb this behavior they starting only acknowledging the account.
Then, when it actually matters that the things be account bound so we can actually make reasonable use of them, they send out the wrong kind of mail. Then rather than deleting all of the tickets, which I am willing to bet they can do, and sending out a new mail to the account, they make them worthless by soulbinding them.
I wonder who else just saw cool robots to fight…
I don’t know about cool robots to fight, but I did see another mob whose only purpose is to be destroyed.
What is happening here is that we have a character design that has sexualized elements. This is a fact.
The amount to which this offends us is subjective. Some, don’t think twice about it, while others are highly sensitive, or even offended by it.
So who is right?
Well, in my opinion, everyone is. If you have a problem with the design of this robot, your feelings are perfectly valid. You have every right to feel offended by something you see in the game (Bathing suits, skimpy armour, shirtless males, half naked statues).
What you don’t have the right to do however, is tell others they’re wrong for not feeling offended, or to claim they’re sexist, insensitive, misogynistic, or whatever.
We can all argue the practicality of this robot all we want. If you think high heels, or breasts on a fictional robot are a stupid idea, then by all means voice your opinion.
What we need to stop doing here IMO is throwing out buzzwords and assumptions without regard. We need to be careful not to make assumptions about people, and not belittle people for their views.
I have no problem discussing this stuff, but we need to stay rational. If we start posting videos of radical feminists, or calling each other names, then the only thing that will happen is that it will further divide people on an already volatile topic.
I agree, I think it is wrong to claim that those who don’t agree with the obvious design of the robots are sexist and all that.
The things is, I’m not seeing much of that at all. What I’m seeing is people saying that they feel it’s sexualized and objectified and the opposition saying, they are wrong and shouldn’t feel that way.
You are completely right that they have every right to feel that way, and the opposition also has every right not to see it. But the opposition should not be opposing what they see and should be willing to accept what they see and why they see it without claiming it’s not a thing.
So do you think Norn women are more masculine? I don’t. Just because they’re bigger doesn’t make them masculine, it just takes them away from the danty flower appearance they have. I don’t care if they’re robots and therefore their form has no impact on anything, they look like underwear models.
At least if they were big they would look like they were designed to crack skulls, which they were, not to whip you and tell you that you’re a naughty boy.
LOL, wut?
These robots are taller than Norn. They’re carrying giant blades, and they can transform into anything they want.
The problem here is that you have a gender stereotype problem. You equate certain traits with certain qualities. So, because someone looks like an underwear model, they can’t be strong and, “crack heads.”
Because someone is wearing high heels, they automatically want to whip you sexually and call you a naughty boy?
Are you seeing how these generalizations are hurting the argument here?
No, actually these generalizations ARE the argument. What is seen when you show something a thing is what matters. This entire argument and the problem presented by it is about perception of a wide variety of people.
I didn’t see any of these things until they were pointed out. I didn’t even look twice at these robots. I noticed they had boobs which I thought was pointless and weird then I moved on. Someone in Map mentioned they had exaggerated butts, so I checked it out and realized it was true, which I again thought was weird and pointless. Then I again moved on. I then read this thread and considered what was said and could do no less than agree. They are over-sexualized for no good reason. They do not represent what they were meant to represent. Their physical form serves no point other than to inflame male ardor.
You either don’t see it, or don’t want to see it. But that doesn’t make it any less true.
Honestly, I think everyone would have been perfectly happy with these fembots if they were at least twice as wide which huge muscles. Leave everything else exactly as it is, big boobs, tight butt and stilettos but make them giant monster women and everyone would have said amazon fighting women or norn, seems fine, moving on.
I wouldn’t have been.
I don’t think they need to make them more “masculine.” I don’t see them as being any less for being feminine. They’re giant robots with blade weapons. They are beautiful and capable at the same time.
Despite what some may want us to believe, being strong, and being sexy are not mutually exclusive. There is more to strength than your body type, what clothing you’re wearing, or what gender you are.
So do you think Norn women are more masculine? I don’t. Just because they’re bigger doesn’t make them masculine, it just takes them away from the danty flower appearance they have. I don’t care if they’re robots and therefore their form has no impact on anything, they look like underwear models.
At least if they were big they would look like they were designed to crack skulls, which they were, not to whip you and tell you that you’re a naughty boy.
Pokemon?
I just stayed in the same place. Gendarran Field by the eastern balloon across from the arena. They cycled, it wasn’t random, so I just did all of them right in a row, I don’t think it even took an hour.
The question I have is why is this choice any more, or less valid than any other choice? Are we questioning it because they’re female?
Would we be asking the same questions if they were big “male” robots? Would be be asking why they’re big, muscular, and mean looking?
What does “big, muscular and mean looking” have to do specifically with masculinity?
I’ll be honest, if they were sexualised male robots, I absolutely would have a problem, because that wouldn’t be congruent with the design purpose. But I wouldn’t see a sexualised male figure as “mean-looking”, so perhaps that’s where I misunderstand.
A big, muscular, mean looking female form would be fantastic. That also is something that the Watchknights do not represent.
Masculine =/= sexualise, just as Feminine =/= sexualised.
I (along with many other posters here) feel that the specific model used by the Watchknights is indeed sexualised. That seems inappropriate for a combat unit no matter what the gender.
Honestly, I think everyone would have been perfectly happy with these fembots if they were at least twice as wide which huge muscles. Leave everything else exactly as it is, big boobs, tight butt and stilettos but make them giant monster women and everyone would have said amazon fighting women or norn, seems fine, moving on.
FUN FACT for anyone discussing boobies on the robots: Apparently having boobplates on armour would kill you faster because instead of deflecting blades, the shape of the boobplates drives blades towards the center of your chest, and if you were to fall forward, the outward divets on your boobs would drive into your chest and injure/kill you, were you to sustain a hard enough blow.
Take that as you will.
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Are you implying the robots have their vital organs in the same place as humans do?
Robots don’t have organs, but since these robots are clockwork almost everything about them is a vital part.
FUN FACT: clockwork is the worst thing to make a fighting robot out of since every piece has to fit into every other piece to keep it working properly. If one gear it knocked out of place everything connected through that gear will stop functioning. It isn’t really possible nor practical to design redundancy into clockwork. And yes, Watchwork is clockwork.
The implication is that there is never a good reason, robot or human or other to have armor with boobs on.
The 14th achievement IS the meta, so no, there aren’t. I have done 3 dailies and 5 LS achievements, I am at 8 and there are exactly 8 left for me to do. What does that tell you?
The meta achievement does not count to the 16, why would it? YOu need 16 other achievements to get it, how could you get 16 if the 16th was only available if you already got 16?
And no, I did get no point for doing that yesterday, since I had my tab open before and after I did the torchrun and didn’t give anything for that. I later got a point for doing all the runs, but not for the daily. Do you finally understand that it was bugged or do I have to write it down yet another time in different words?
You can write it down all you want. It doesn’t, apparently, help your understanding of what I’m telling you, nor what you are actually telling me. Believe what you want, though, there is no bug. You missed one all on your own. Sorry for you.
I’m mostly upset that they had to have -high heels.-
I mean… really? really?
Wearing high heels means you’re no longer capable? You do realize these robots transform into other creatures to fight ya? But, even if they didn’t what does wearing high heels have to do with their abilities or presence?
Women choose to wear heels all the time, and I don’t think that makes them any less of a women.
Now….lets look at this from another perspective. When you fight, or play sports, you don’t typically stand flat footed. Humans distribute their weight on the balls of their feet so they can quickly move.
That is why soccer cleats have more spikes at the toes, and only a few at the heels. So, from a fighting perspective, these “high heels” aren’t really an issue.
In the end, it’s just a design choice. It’s meant to make them look taller, and more sleek (just like real high heels). I don’t think the intention was to make them some porn-bot with the intention of being someone secretary, and bending over to pick up dropped Skritt bottles.
I would love to see you go play sports in high heels. That would be amazing.
These aren’t statues designed to comment on society, they are robots designed for protection and fighting.
While I understand where you are coming from, I think you’re taking the design of these robots out of context. Think of them as professional athletes with body types designed for that purpose.
If this were the case they would not have boobs. That feature is a detriment to their purpose due to the obstruction presented by their size.
Again, you are assuming the purpose of these Watchknights is to represent women. They are exaggerated representations of women. Like huge Norn, or Charr.
This is a perfect explanation of why it’s bad. Norn are indeed exagerated versions of humans, but Charr are extremely subdued female, just like Asure show no gender definition short of hair. There were many ways they could have done this and they chose extremely exaggerated feminine profile.
They’re not “Ugly” or “Fat” because that is not the point of them. They haven’t been designed with the purpose of making everyone feel included and nice inside. They are idealized representations, meant to convey strength and power.
It’s like Superman, or Wonder Woman. They’re designed in a way that represent an exaggerated ideal. Tall, large muscles, good looking, etc.
As well, these are not “Damsels in Distress” at all. They’re fighting machines. They’re designed to protect the city and the queen. They stand watch, towering over the citizens.
If that were the case it would have included both male and female versions. It doesn’t.
I don’t have the same super sexist view of them as the OP but I really have to question their design as well. Why would they go to all the effort of constructing these things with boobs and butts to bounce silver pieces off of? They’re robot soldiers, they shouldn’t look like S/M mistresses. High heels make even less sense. Platform, maybe a wedge, but not stiletto. That is not a stable design.
This is why I like the Asura. Golems are big bulky blocks of material. There is no “asthetic” in their design because their purpose is defined by what they do, not how they look. These things make no sense and wouldn’t have been designed this way, regardless of that they shouldn’t have been.
This update is bugged as hell. The bugs drain all the fun from it. I could have had my mini watch knight already, but no the daily achievement was bugged and didn’t count yesterday. Now I want to play the gauntlet, I pay for my entry but wait 23 minutes, watching countless people that cleary came after me go in, but I can’t. A whole ticket and much time, simply wasted.
Well let’s go look for the champions, I just need stone shield. Oh there he is, but he buggs out and disappears (without the fight event triggering) and get’s replaced by whirling blade (who I of course already did). FIX THOSE FREAKING BUGS ALREADY!The only issue I am aware of with the daily yesterday was a typo. I suppose you’re talking about the beacon lighting thing. The achievement asked for anyone but only one applied, the one in the center plaza.
Doesnt help you much now I guess but that was it.
But I did exactly the one in the central plaza and it counted for my daily, but not for the jubilee event, preventing me from getting the mini today. Now it’s tomorrow, if not another major bug screws me over.
The central plaza Torchbearer daily makes 15, as long as you did the daily before it. So assuming you got all the straight Living Story achievements already you couldn’t possibly get the meta until you complete todays achievement, which is to travel on a single balloon to Divinity’s Reach. So I’m not really clear what you’re complaining about here. There are 13 achievements of the total 16 needed, so that’s minimum three days worth of dailies.
Wrong, there are 14 achievements, meaning you only need 2 dailies (which btw the game doesn’t tell you at all), to get to the required 16. I did the daily yesterday, the torchrun in the central plaza that is and it counted towards my daily achievements, but it did not count to the jubliee achievements (at the time I had 13 of them done, so it would have been 14, but nothing happened).
Today the daily achievement is riding the balloon to DR, which I did and this counted for both the daily achievements and the jubliee achievement. If yesterdays achievement would have counted, I would now possess a mini watch knight. Now I have to wait another day and hope that the daily isn’t bugged yet again.
The 14th achievement IS the meta, so no, there aren’t. I have done 3 dailies and 5 LS achievements, I am at 8 and there are exactly 8 left for me to do. What does that tell you?
It’s because people were creating characters, logging in and sending their free tickets to their main character. They would repeat this and get hundreds of tickets for little effort. I imagine it also caused problems for the game engine.
Was going to post this as well. Basically leave it up to the people who exploit to ruin it for everyone.
Don’t blame the people for exploiting an idiotic design flaw on ANet. They learned a LONG time ago that this is how people react to this sort of thing. It’s why they stopped giving “presents” to individual characters and instead mailed it to the account as a whole. If they had given us 5 tickets for the account in the first place they never would have needed to change it to on acquire which was a ridiculously stupid move.
For me the character who has all the tickets is the one doing open world content, and she will never see the inside of the pavilion, ever. So her tickets might as well be thrown in the trash because that’s what they’re worth.
I would really like to know what events got added to the game, to see if I’m familiar with them. I’d be happy to give feedback if I actually knew what they were.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Modus_Sceleris
These are some of them, I’ve done a couple of them, they are really good. I love the idea of having “evil guilds” around.
Ok, that does seem neat, and I don’t spend enough time in either of those zones to actually have noticed such a thing happening.
Thanks for the feedback everyone and please keep it coming. Personally, I find that one of the hardest parts of being a desginer on GW2 Live is coming to terms with the fact that not every update will please every player. We do our best to deliver appealing content with enough variety to keep as many people as satisfied as possible. And If there’s one thing we can do consistently, it’s improving the experience of said content each time. I think we made some great strides with the Jubilee. I think we have a lot of room to keep growing. But our team isn’t done yet. We’ve got some exciting things coming later this month. Things you’ve never seen in this game before.
But in the mean time, please keep telling us what you’re thinking. We are listening. Not only to what you’re saying but also to what you’re not. The very first living world team actually did the thing some of you have called for. Some 40 or so permanent events were added around the game in our very first content update. They were met with little interest or fanfare. Granted, Halloween may have stolen the show. But those events are still in the game today. I’ve seen very little reaction to them, however, positive or negative. Despite this, there are many events I would still like to add. Many zones and bosses I would love to revisit. As we get better at the living world, I strongly suspect we’ll have room to get around to them as well. Assuming that’s what our players really want. You are all the second half of the collaborative process, so thanks for helping!
Hi Anthony, I hope you see this!
I love this game and have been playing it since beta and launch. I’ve continued towards learning what I can about this game and plan on playing it for a long time.Your comment intrigues me because of this reason: I have not been aware of this new content.
Now, this doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. What it means is lack of player awareness. I realize you don’t want to give away secrets and that’s fine, but you don’t even allude that you have secrets. Also, as you can see, when the internet is told there is a secret, it pretty much explodes with people wanting to discover it.
Players need to be made aware of the new content, not because they are lazy, but as you have seen even millions of players don’t always notice these things.
Keep up the good work, it’s making me spend money!
I have been across every inch of Tyria, and I’ve spent a lot of time in many zones such that, while I know I haven’t seen everything, I’ve seen a lot. As such I’m also very interested in this. I never even knew there were new events, outside of Southsun, that is, but that was a whole zone. I hope you don’t mean Southsun because in that case those just get swallowed up with the zone itself and the updates associated with it.
I would really like to know what events got added to the game, to see if I’m familiar with them. I’d be happy to give feedback if I actually knew what they were.
This update is bugged as hell. The bugs drain all the fun from it. I could have had my mini watch knight already, but no the daily achievement was bugged and didn’t count yesterday. Now I want to play the gauntlet, I pay for my entry but wait 23 minutes, watching countless people that cleary came after me go in, but I can’t. A whole ticket and much time, simply wasted.
Well let’s go look for the champions, I just need stone shield. Oh there he is, but he buggs out and disappears (without the fight event triggering) and get’s replaced by whirling blade (who I of course already did). FIX THOSE FREAKING BUGS ALREADY!The only issue I am aware of with the daily yesterday was a typo. I suppose you’re talking about the beacon lighting thing. The achievement asked for anyone but only one applied, the one in the center plaza.
Doesnt help you much now I guess but that was it.
But I did exactly the one in the central plaza and it counted for my daily, but not for the jubilee event, preventing me from getting the mini today. Now it’s tomorrow, if not another major bug screws me over.
The central plaza Torchbearer daily makes 15, as long as you did the daily before it. So assuming you got all the straight Living Story achievements already you couldn’t possibly get the meta until you complete todays achievement, which is to travel on a single balloon to Divinity’s Reach. So I’m not really clear what you’re complaining about here. There are 13 achievements of the total 16 needed, so that’s minimum three days worth of dailies.
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Instead, we got this mess.
Queen’s Pavilion is satire of everything that is wrong with really, really bad theme park MMO design, but it seems you guys are oblivious to the joke. It may be the worst part of the Jubilee, but the rest of it isn’t much better
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THE most COGENT and APPLICABLE posting I have EVER seen for an MMO. in 20+ years.This game is going to die a horrible death because of the MANY "*currencies* and the fact that the DEVS keep CHANGING THE RULES.
Almost everyone in the game wants a Legendary – but many are now realizing that they will NEVER have a Legendary – either their guilds are too small or they have no help (!) or they just give up because the GRIND has beaten them down into a puddle of mush – only to find a first person shooter to take a vacation from this moronic grind.
I am horrible at math.
I am horrible at keeping TRACK of the myriad of currencies and what you need them for and what you have to keep and what you can safely sell.
Making the game more about rides on balloons that are just fake waypoints that go ONE WAY and all the other items already mentioned is pushing SO many people away from the game.
There are thousands of people in the last few DAYS who have said, just on my server alone, that they are hoping this doesn’t spin out of control as it has before with the “new” currencies and the “new” rules, but they were right – it is, it has, and we’re all looking for next MMO that won’t DO this to us.
Please tell me this is all overt sarcasm.
No, by the many who understood my posting and that of the subject of this forum post, we are not being sarcastic.
Disappointed, but not sarcastic.
Well, unfortunately the options were sarcasm or a complete lack of understanding of development of an MMO. Nor an understanding of the point of the things you don’t like.
Seriously, currencies and rule changes? The reason for the currencies is to ensure that no one can just do one thing and automatically have access to everything they could ever want. It is to force someone to do the thing associated with the thing they want if it’s so important to them. This is not actually that big a deal if you really consider it reasonably.
Changing the rules. Honestly, this one I don’t get at all. What rules have been changed other than tweeks to powers for balance issues?
I think you’re highly overestimating the actually draw an appeal of Legendaries. I personally don’t know anyone who actually has any interest in them at all, BUT A-Net has actually be making it consistently easier to access Legendaries, not harder. With achievement rewards giving away hundreds of badges of honor at a time, gaining easy access to T6 mats through events and Laurels, and the ability to craft a precursor, Legendaries will be easier to obtain than ever before.
The simple fact, though, is that if you don’t like the game there is absolutely nothing holding you to it. Move on. ANet wants you to move on. They want you to step away from the game. They hope you’ll come back again and like what you see, but they are more than happy to see you go if you’re getting tired of it.
People really need to give this Manifesto a rest. The Manifesto is the shtick that every Development team has always proclaimed before the game actually became what it is.
Some of the stuff they said they were able to bring to the live game, but some of the stuff never was. Give it a rest, it’s not a real thing and never was. It was designed to get your interest and attention, and it succeeded akittens only purpose.
Yes, thank you. This bugs the hell out of me. Why would I ever spend gears and gold on a weapon I can get for karma? It isn’t even like racial weapons are race bound. It’s beyond silly.
Yes, there are more than 30 total towers, so while this bug is annoying it should not actually prevent anyone from completing the achievement. The chests will NEVER respawn. It will take me a bit to track the Dev response on this issue, but according to the dev until you finish the achievement you can’t go back.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/jubilee/Event-and-Chest-Bugs/
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Clearly the only person more intelligent than Araziel is the Oscar Wilde level satirical mastermind who he’s quoted in his signature. Dear lord! Its him! He’s quoted himself in his signature! Now I don’t have to choose to idolize more! Thanks again Araziel!
How does one actually quote themselves? I mean, if they said it in the first place aren’t they just saying it again, not actually quoting?
Its worded kind of strangely, but basically you just want block skills to apply before Aegis does. You want Aegis to have a lower priority than block skills.
I agree with and support this. Aegis should take effect AFTER active block skills, not at the same time.
Should be possible in theory I think, because Blind already has a higher priority than blocking and so if an attack misses via Blind it doesn’t trigger a block. So making Aegis lower priority would also work, I think.
Yes, exactly that.
Just here to say, if you think that’s a problem don’t talk to anyone from Boston about their automobile, or Canada concerning their footwear. And it will drive you mad to try to talk to someone in Britain . . .
This post eloquently describes the idiocy of the previous argument. Language has rules for a reason, because otherwise we’d just be barking incomprehensible gibberish at each other. People should strive to obey those rules. When they fail to do so, they should be corrected.
Language has rules, but they’re all different from language to language. And a lot of times, even the rules for English do not make sense. Seriously, just look at homonyms for a start.
And none of that is related to how one should be pronouncing golem.
This thread isn’t feedback. It’s “this is my opinion and I’m taking it as factual for everyone”.
Time to close?
I’ve never claimed my opinion as universal. This is the most serious form of feedback that can be offered, the honest criticism of someone who actually appreciates what this game is at it’s core, what the Manifesto meant for the genre and the ways this year has been a major disappointment. Kowtowing benefits no one.
That few on the other side can do more than dismiss or deflect, rather than add to the conversation isn’t a failing of the critics of the current direction of the game.
That’s the last I’ll say to those who wish this conversation would just go away. People are very welcome to offer their opinion to the discussion, though it would be most appreciated if it’s in a form that actually adds to the discussion.
Maybe you don’t see the Manifesto as anything special? Maybe you prefer this form of content to an evolution of the game world via Dynamic Event content? Maybe you prefer a check list to grind for rewards to free form exploration and immersion in the game world? We don’t know where you are coming from, other than that you just don’t want to hear criticism of the game and wish we would just stop talking.
Everyone’s a critic, but I am not seeing where you are coming from. Maybe it is just me but all I read is “I don’t like this QQ”
Constructive criticism is welcome, but rage QQ is not.
I’ve been pretty detailed in where I’m coming from. Some people get it, agree or not. Other can’t, don’t or won’t grasp the reasons many are frustrated. I know most of the developers will understand what is being said and likely a good portion of it will be seen as valid, if stinging, criticism.
The temptation to add “double que” to any post should be the first clue that maybe a bit more thought should be given before entering a conversation.
If people appreciate the ways the game is departing from the Manifesto and prefer adventure by checklist over the great potential the game and the manifesto offered us, I’d be happy to hear about it. Maybe Anet just has a better finger on the pulse of the players and has decided that the Manifesto and the core game design were a mistake to be rectified.
I’d be sad to have that be the conclusion of these difficult and critical discussions, but it would still be worth knowing.
OR, maybe they’ve been bumbling through a year worth of content learning how to fine tune their design? Maybe they’ve been developing a handful of events they can bring back again and again, just like in GW1 and many other MMOs before now. Maybe, as they have specifically stated not even a month ago, from this point on they will be working toward providing content that will expand and develop the world we play in, not just provide oneshots with no meaning after the fact.
Seriously, we got more out of the developers, even through temporary content, in one year than I’ve seen from many MMOs in their lifetime. They’ve been trying things out, laying the groundwork, and now they are in a position, that they weren’t a year ago, to run with it and actually make things happen.
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The new monsoon staff? Absolutely 100% the most lazy designed staff in this game and it’s from the new champion loot and it’s awful! It’s so tiny, so un-detailed and it doesn’t even have a spell effect.!
And the soverign staff skin? SAME THING. It’s so tiny and just lazy.
While greatswords and hammers still get the most attention.
Anet if you are going to be this lazy with staves don’t bother putting more designs of them in the game.
Yay subjective rants! The staff skin is one of the only skins in the entire collection I actually like. I like it because it’s not absurdly grand and covered in effects. It’s one of the few staves that’s actually subdued and elegant.
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Read the Meta again. There will be a Jubilee achievement in the dailies every day. So there are another 14 on top of the 13 that came with the event.
I think it’s ironic that many players point to Flame and Frost as a really good example of how to do the Living World updates…when people seem to forget the massive amount of complaining that occurred since there were very few things to do over 4 months. It makes me wonder if all of them were there from the beginning or if they just showed up in the last month to do all the content that had been added in the previous three months.
There was a dungeon people liked. That’s all they remember. F&F as an event, though, was much MUCH worse than this. It was all concentrated in two low level zones. Nothing much happened, and there was almost no explanation of what was happening. All it had going for it was a good dungeon that people liked.
I find the events since then to be significantly improved overall.
Let me see:
- This achievement: kill 100
- That achievement: kill 100
- Next achievement: defeat 100
- Kill that 3x
- Get this 30xCan you make grind more obvious…. I wont make any of that on purpose.
And this is where people fail to see the forest for the trees.
I’m already halfway into two of those kill 100 achievements. Why? Because I was grinding and trying really hard to get them? No, not at all. It’s because I’m running the missions associated with the new content, and simply by doing the content I’m automatically completing the achievements.
This isn’t a grind, you are getting rewards just for doing what you would most likely do anyway just by doing the stuff they made for you.
Even get 30 balloons can’t be considered a grind when all you’re doing is walking to a balloon, maybe doing an event associated with it, then walking up the stairs. There is no serious effort involved, just go do the thing.
I actually figured it out on my second try because when you look at the LS torchbearer achievement it only shows you the one in the central plaza as being for the achievement.
When you look where it shows you what?
Sorry. In the Living Story Torchbearer Achievement, if you click on it there is a marker for Divinity’s Reach. If you click on that marker it shows you were to go to do the achievement, but it only shows the torchbearer in the center, not any of the other three. This really messed me up when I tried to do it in the first place because I didn’t realize there were any others.
But based on that same situation I figured the daily might only work with that one, which ended up being the case.
you need to do that one on central plaza, or how the center of town is called
O rly?? I also was confused by this last night and thought I had to do all 4 beacon runs to get the achievement (although the last one I did was Central Plaza).
How did you know that only Central Plaza was needed?
I actually figured it out on my second try because when you look at the LS torchbearer achievement it only shows you the one in the central plaza as being for the achievement. I had tried to do an easier one that didn’t work, so then I went up there. At least it isn’t the eastern most one, that one is brutal.
As a pretty casual player I have to say this is a lot of fun.
I don’t even approach caring about all the special currencies. You want all the currencies to be shared so that “casuals” can come in every other event and buy something, but take no consideration for that would mean for the non-casuals that horde thousands of the things. It’s not designed around casual play because that’s an asinine thing to do.
The balloons are silly, but really very nice looking. They add new events to areas that are in placed that expose players to yet more events. Also because the achievement actually requires going into no less that 15 zones to complete it, no one can just do it in a starter zone and move on. Everyone will have to spread out a lot in order to finish the achievement. This is a good thing for the game.
The pavilion is gorgeous, plain and simple. The arena under it is a little strange, but so what, it’s still cool. The only problem I have with it is how far down it is. I get the collapse was big, but did they seriously have to go all the way to the bottom of it in order to do that?
You’re not having fun. You’ve been around for a while and been a supporter and now you’re not liking it. Well I’ve been around since beta, and I’ve stuck it out. My whole guild abandoned the game too, but I am still loving it. Sometimes I get bored and only do just enough to get the daily, and sometimes not even that much. Then they bring out a new event and I’m right back into it. This one is no different.
I don’t understand why you seem to think this is Themepark. It encourages you to go to certain places, but it also encourages you to spread out. It also has no consideration with how you do it. It is still very sandbox. Perhaps you would be happier just moving on. They’re obviously not updating things with you in mind. Everything is still just fine by me.
Thank you people.
Yeah, I must say that a mouseover is not the perfect solution in a setting that has you busy – normal dynamic events have timers in the top right corner, that’s where I’m used to looking, and without mouse-hovering breaking my routine. Why suddenly change that?
It’s a little more than a minute, but I agree it’s not the easiest thing to use. They went against a couple regular practices this event, so who knows.
¬_¬ . You have all areas in world to chase baloons. If you lose one due to you acidentally travelled instead of get chest, you only need to do other, and bask to that tower when the event is active again. The chest and the achiev meta respawn in daily.
It isn’t a matter of accidentally traveling. The chests are displaying as being accessed when they haven’t been. I had the same thing happen in Queensdale. I accidentally traveled because I thought I was opening a chest only to realize the chest was inaccessible so the only thing to interact with was the stupid balloon.
Well.. I only get to 3 different areas. Already have 12 baloons visit achievments.
That doesn’t make sense, there are only 2 balloons per area. You should have half that many.
there are 42 balloons
you only need 30
Yes, that is true there are more balloons than are needed. That’s not the point though. The point is that there is a bug that is causing some chests not to function properly. Bugs need to be fixed regardless of the effect they have outside themselves.
¬_¬ . You have all areas in world to chase baloons. If you lose one due to you acidentally travelled instead of get chest, you only need to do other, and bask to that tower when the event is active again. The chest and the achiev meta respawn in daily.
False. I opened a chest yesterday. Went back today to check : still open.
Yeah, while I’m down on the ground (on a different character), I can target the chest, which means I should be able to loot it, but once I hit that last set of stairs, it changes to being already opened. I really hope we don’t have to go to each different zone to get the 30. Is there even 15 zones, excluding the 3 Orr and Southsun (since they said balloons aren’t in those maps)?
Are the balloons supposed to reset? I opened them within the first few hours of patch release, then tried them after daily reset, and they were still opened.
There are more than enough zones to support all the balloons we need, as long as you’re prepared to go into 40+ zones to get them all.
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I would like to define which currencies actively display on the inventory. I want to see my Laurels, Karma and Gold, nothing else.
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