Guild Wars 2

Kossage.9072:

The thing with the battle against the Mouth of Mordremoth is that it doesn’t just happen once. According to Laranthir’s dialogue box (whose contents change depending on if you’ve completed “Hearts and Minds” or not) the Pact fights against the Mouth at least twice, maybe even thrice (before, during and after final story mission). Here’s what he has to say about it:

Laranthir: (before completing final story mission) Our scouts believe the creature before us is feeding on ley-line energy for its master, but Mordremoth is an entity of mind and dream. That’s where you’ll have to go to defeat it.
Laranthir: (after completing final story mission) Though you killed Mordremoth within its realm of mind, the physical manifestation of its hunger still remains in our world, still feeding on this hub of ley-line energy.

This sounds just like the whole deal with certain npcs having different dialogue in living story depending on how far you’d gotten with the personal story. Like they call you commander if you’ve finished it, but not if you were halfway through.

I honestly took the second line as more of a “You killed it’s mind successfully, now we have to finish the job!” and not a “Hey, this thing keeps bringing it’s head back up!” What’s the whole point of “Killing him for good and stopping him from regrowing” if he keeps regrowing?

The extra lines of dialogue from sylvari perspective in “Hearts and Minds” show up in the mission’s respective wiki article. Basically the extra stuff regarding the battle is that the sylvari PC understands Mordremoth’s roar as “Armies cannot stop me”, which further proves the timing of one of the battles against the Mouth happening simultaneously with the infiltration mission, and it’s the one battle that has indeed taken place canonically against the Mouth.

Again, isn’t it brought up that Mordremoth can merely regrow his body repeatedly, and that killing his mind ends him forever? Still makes no sense to canonically have him return if that is the case.

There’s always the possibility, however, that either of Laranthir’s statements could only be taken semi-canonically and were simply written in to clarify the context of the battle for players who had or hadn’t done the story yet so as not to spoil the ending.

The first version (lines before completing story) indicates that the PC was present in the battle before sneaking into the dragon’s lair, which contradicts events shown in “Bitter Harvest” and “Hearts and Minds” where we’re helped behind enemy lines while the Pact’s battle is distracting the Mouth. I find it unlikely that the PC, after defeating Faolain, would just leave the Heart of Thorns tree and join the Pact’s battle against the Mouth, then returning back to the tree to finish the infiltration mission. Then again, we know from a dev comment on Facebook that a section of the Mouth battle taking place within the tree was cut, so maybe that missing piece was part of a previous version of the story which would’ve forced players to first defeat the Mouth at the tree before gaining access to “Hearts and Minds” but which was scrapped for timing reasons and because Anet didn’t want to force players to finish the meta successfully just to reach the final story mission.

It’s easily assumable that Bitter Harvest talks place the same time roughly as the lanes do, because the charr pilot mentions “The work done in the lanes has allowed him to fly up.” and gives transport back.

The second version (lines after completing story) indicates that the Mouth is functioning as the manifestation of the dragon’s hunger even after the dragon’s mind has been annihilated. Yet it’s contradicted by players hearing Mordremoth’s dialogue during the Dragon’s Stand meta (unless Mordremoth, while effectively braindead, would keep uttering its threats on autopilot). I put this discrepancy under “gameplay and story segregation” where the lines appear even after the death of the mind for the sake of epicness of the encounter.

Or, another possibility. The player finished off the mind before the dragon was fully defeated, and came out to help finish him off? Or the whole dialogue with the commander directly isn’t canon? Anet explicitly stated once certain events happen a grand total of once. Verdant Brink and Tangled Depths obviously happen once, so why can’t Dragons stand? Infact, I find the reasoning for repeated battles to be confusing. So what, the trees resurged and started popping out Mordrem and the three champions, despite us killing them?

I’d very much like to hear the writers’ statements on the order of events to clarify the matter and if we can count the pre- and post-final mission battles against the Mouth (as per Laranthir’s dialogue changes) as truly canonical or if they were done for the sake of player immersion rather than on the story’s terms.

IMO, his dialogue with the player (in sense as being commander) is probably non-canonical, given how the Commander never interacts with Laranthir after the first mission. After leaving the brink, the commander hardly does a thing as Commander of the Pact.

There is two ghosts in Queensdale as well, that actually interact with the player (outside of the swamp area).

One is very sane, rational, and friendly. She asked Grenth to stay and watch over her family’s farm, and he granted that wish.

The other is the ghost of the graveyard. I forget the details of her, but I do remember after a short walk she turns very violent. Both only appear at night however.

Then the ghosts in the swamp, they don’t talk, but do communicate crudely with adventurers with gestures.

No, there is no event or celebration like Thanksgiving in Tyria, or GW lore in general.

I don’t really think there needs to be either. Unless it was explicitly used in a lore sense to celebrate, as somebody else said, a permanent Charr-human peace treaty, and themed entirely around that and not really any RL influence.

maxwelgm.4315:

- Speaking of rushing, the story as a whole did not really convince me the PC could actually culminate into killing an Elder Dragon from inside out by messing with its mind. One thing is fighting with the Pact’s army and defeating Zhaitan through raw firepower (and magic) but this was something else entirely. Even though we went through a lot during the personal story, It’s a long stretch from everything else the PC has done so far, to (apparently with not that much effort) accomplishing what Snaff has only barely done before with Kralk. I really believe I have missed something here – even with help from DE 2.0, the PC started the last fight, and his/her will didn’t even start to bent in front of mordy’s mind. So my question I guess is: when was the transition of the PC from a great warrior to a literal force of nature bending creature?

Do remember though, the entire “Battle within his mind” takes place at the EXACT same time as the battle with his body is going full swing. The battle is just starting (or in the towers phase) when we first start heading down, according to Canach’s dialogue. I’ve not gotten my Sylvari through to that point so I don’t know if extra lines are spoken there.

So Mordremoth is fighting us inside of his head, and the pact forces assaulting his body.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Word of Dev is that sylvari aren’t inherently any more flammable than a human- and when you think about it, it makes sense. Have you ever tried to start a fire with hale, green plant matter? It’s quite the vexing exercise.

Now, as to how humans are able to walk around with a burning chunk of white-hot rock pressed into their back- your guess is as good as mine. Charr are even worse. Their fur would be more flammable than any sylvari.

I think the flame citadel armor/fire gemstore armors actually turn the Charr’s tail into a solid fire stick :P

But yes, the point made by OP fits to all races, not Sylvari. Same with the Mjolnir hammer, how do they have a hammer of pure electricity on their back with no ill effects?

MAGIC! Or, for those that get it. “Enchantment!”

Consider it is only on that one amulet, in GW, Paladin basically doesn’t mean anything.

Kilroy Stonekin.

Nero.8047:

We currently know that Queen Jennah has ordered the Desert Gate to be built and guarded effectively closing off the Crystal Desert because “Dark events have befallen the desert”.

While in itself this is no confirmation that Kralkatorrik is there at all, we only have the brand to possibly answer this question for us right now.
If you don’t know where something is, the best way of finding it again is to go where you’ve lost track of it.

We don’t know if the dragon is there for sure, but I’m not going to plan an expedition into the Far Shiverpeaks if the Crystal Desert is where we last saw the dragon headed. ^^

Completely true as well. Joko’s forces and risen are fighting in areas, and I think otherwise it’s OoW people coming to and from Elona, and I remember somewhere that there are priory teams in the desert? I don’t know if that is true though.

Bonus (obviously not serious-) tinfoil hat time
- Queen Jennah is Kralkatorrik’s Champion, and has sealed off the Crystal Desert as to make sure her master won’t be bothered too much.
- Queen Jennah called Logan back to her side because she knew her master would be in danger if Logan were to stay with Destiny’s Edge.

Obviously Anise is bubbles.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Eir and Glint did land a few blows to him, and Kralkatorrik did fall from the sky in a nice big thud. But those amount to scratches and bruises that would heal in days/weeks tops, not years.

And we don’t know which direction Kralkatorrik flew – he might be nowhere near Joko’s forces, which last we knew only reached the southern Crystal Desert where it clashed with Zhaitan’s forces on supposedly equal footing.

Yeah, any of the blows aren’t serious enough to actually consider him purposefully leaving to heal up. People overplay the damage dealt by huge amounts I’ve noticed.

Isn’t it also unknown if Kralk is even in the Crystal Desert anymore? I remember it was stated that there is actually zero information on where Kralk may be, even a rough “Somewhere in this region of the desert.”

Torolan.5816:

Yes, Logan faced a tough decision. He had to betray one side or leave the other side hanging out to dry. He choose to go help Jennah because she is his queen and love interest, which is quite understandable.
But as a team member and friend, he would be out of question for me personally if I was one of DE from this point on.
I don´t thini he will die in ls3. He is lame and at the same time shiny enough to be a mainstay sidekick.^^

Honestly, I’m kinda hoping the Commander forms a ‘vanguard’ group, of Destiny’s Edge, the commander, and the biconics (at least at first). But, Jennah is Queen, love interest, and they shared a magical bond that she would use to summon him if she needed help, and he swore to respond to that last I checked.

So, we have going to save the queen, or breaking an Oath.

I can also relate to Caudecus in the charr question. Charr forces raided and sacked Ascalon City and the surrounding land which is the anchestral homeland of Kryta humans.
I would not look for peace with them either and fight them for every step they want to come in human lands.

While the other part isn’t true and somebody else touched on it, Caudecus is also a lot more concerned about his personal power and control then the good of the world.

Eldrake.1543:

Well, the GW2 community do hate Logan to the core for his cowardice. I wouldn’t be surprised if Anet decided to kill him off to satisfy the community.

Only, he was never a coward.

Nero.8047:

Eldrake.1543:

Well, the GW2 community do hate Logan to the core for his cowardice. I wouldn’t be surprised if Anet decided to kill him off to satisfy the community.

Sorry for going off-topic but…
When was Logan a coward?
I haven’t read Edge of Destiny in forever but I believe the situation was as follows:
There were 2 events happening at the same time:
Destiny’s Edge was off to slay kralkatorrik.
Queen Jennah was, I believe, in Ebonhawke as she and many others got attacked by a horde of Branded.

Logan was with Destiny’s Edge, yet had also pledged to protect the queen and come to her when summoned or in danger.

The reason for Logan heading off to Jennah could be attributed more to his loyalty than his cowardice. If you were to ask me at least.

Logan swore an oath to come to the Queen when she needed aid(IIRC). He never made such an oath to Destiny’s Edge.

What some people seem to love to forget (and I’ve seen many, many people with irrational hate-kittens for all characters, or random ones) is you had Logan between two very nasty and bad options.
A: Let Jennah possibly die and stay with Destiny’s Edge.
B: Go save Jennah, but maybe weaken Destiny’s Edge too much and prevent a kill on Kralk.

For all their bluster and whining rants, they forget peace with the Charr came about because Jennah, Caudecus wouldn’t pursue peace with the Charr at all.

You do find her running around Tahir screaming “THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER.” “SOOOOOOOOO SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” and variants out the crazy end, I’m assuming this is after you rescue the one Exalted. (I’ve not done a lot of the events in Auric basin, but I did catch the scene where the Exalted sage refused the skritt’s advances/professions of love :P)

I always found her cute and silly, a bit of a break from the darkness of Heart of Thorns. That and the guild initiative pair that wander Tahir talking about random things, from Revenants wandering around the jungle, to whether the one guy needs more swords, to “You think we’ll meet Braham? That’d be awesome!”

Thornwolf.9721:

Joko is stated to be stronger than Zhaitan not saying alot due to the fact that joko literally commands three times his amount of undead, and literally is the scourge of all life apparently. Personally i think he might of imprisoned Kraka and we actually might have to team up with the elder dragon to deal with joko? Kraka is smart, injured and having been subjugated to joko im sure he would be willing to side with old foes for revenge. Maybe we find he is different than the other elder dragons, he is smarter and more like glint actually becoming a willing partner to our conquests (( Unlikely))

Joko has never been stated to be stronger then Zhaitan last I checked, nor has anything stated he commands three times the number of risen.

Also, Kralk is NOT INJURED. They only messed with Kralk’s mind, they never landed a blow on him.

KestrelGirl.9267:

Kalavier.1097:

I fail to see why Logan or Braham have to die.

There is nothing at all saying you can’t have two main guardians around.

If Braham starts using a longbow and becomes a DH since he’s so hulk-smash, then MAYBE both live.

Thing is, there’s proof for “there can only be one.” Marjory shows up, Trahearne dies. Rox shows up, Eir dies. Nobody in DE 1.0/2.0 has died and not had a backup of the same profession!

Rox has been around for a good while, and Eir was alive then. Marjory has been around for a while, and Trahearne was alive. Trahearne wasn’t even part of the “destiny’s edge” group (IF we even include the PC as part of it).

These are very vague, random generalizations. I don’t see this as proof at all, merely coincidence.

So yeah, I see nothing at all saying that Braham or Logan has to die/leave. Just people wishing it.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Well it is often speculated that we might find our way to Elona in a Kralkatorrik focused expansion, since he is chilling in the Crystal Desert, right on Palawa Joko’s doorstep. Nothing concrete though.

Is rumored to be chilling there. Nobody has a clue where Kralk is actually.

Also, There is a lot of land on the world map right now (not including underground areas)… I’d personally want them to explore that before diving to Cantha or Elona. Even then, the dragons are a bigger threat.

And this is from somebody who would like to visit those regions again :P.

I fail to see why Logan or Braham have to die.

There is nothing at all saying you can’t have two main guardians around.

Eh, I’m unsure why they wouldn’t label it as such. Fanfic is nice sometimes, but I’ve seen some people get confused about the lore and this doesn’t help.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Off the top of my head, Belinda’s ghost did voluntarily attach itself to her sword- although it bears mentioning that she hasn’t been seen to manifest since. There’s also the cursed pirate treasure at Broken Beacon, although you could argue whether that constitutes a ‘natural’ haunting.

Though, the story journal thing says that after doing that ritual Belinda’s ghost was ‘put to rest’, which makes it sound like she moved on to the underworld.

There are two ghosts in Queensdale, one which asked Grenth to watch over her family’s farm after she died (He allowed it), and another in the graveyard. I forget the story of the graveyard ghost, but she’s more violent.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

reapex.8546:

People that died in the mists, are the originals as far as I know.

Tybalt didn’t die in the Mists. He died in Tyria.

Same with the others.

Erukk.1408:

Kalavier.1097:

Who says that they would not make Forgal and Sieran return for that pvp stuff?

As pointed out by Ehecatl, Forgal and Sieran never really got any additional addition from Anet. Plus, Sieran would be incredibly OP considering it’s canon that she has the ability to fly for short periods of time. She would just fly over all the obstacles.

Well, get everybody to start fanboying/fangirling over them in mass? If that’s the reason why Tybalt has gotten so far :P.

Though really, nothing says that Anet will never, ever do anything with them concerning mists champions. Though I don’t really care since I don’t do PVP much :P.

spartan.9421:

Too bad they won’t ever do this for Forgal and Sieran. :/

Who says that they would not make Forgal and Sieran return for that pvp stuff?

Wait, is this an actual debate over the decoration tool in guild halls and stuff ‘floating’ because whatever was under it was removed? <_<.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Well the big question is what happened to “Shinny” Glints baby from Eye of The North. The Brotherhood of the Dragon now the Zephyrights, where looking after him. ANet seems to have retcond him out of existence.

False. He’s actually directly mentioned in season 2 at one point. He’s given a proper name (I think it’s Gleam or something?), and is mentioned to have existed, though most people now think it’s just a legend.

Both guild halls are supposed to be Forgotten cities built before Tahir was IIRC.

I just hope we see Glint’s son from gw1 appear as a friendly dragon.

There is a statue of Melandru in the jungle temple portion of the guild hall.

Or Kralk is alive and well, and is buffing his champions with the knowledge that TWO dragons are dead now.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Joko was always interested in ruling Elona – it’s what made him a threat 200 years before GW1. However, he never showed interest in ruling outside of Elona.

Maybe he just isn’t a ‘world domination’ warlord, which is uncommon for fantasy tropes to settle with just one nation.

Of course, we don’t know Joko’s origin. For all we know, Palawa Joko was a Primeval King or something and saw Elona as ‘rightfully his’ and thus wanted to take only what is ‘rightfully his’.

That’s my thought. Joko might just be a rare example of a tyrant/evil overlord who conquered his nation, and that is what he wanted to rule. kitten the rest of the world, it can burn. He has the corner he wanted.

The second Evon gnashblade is a reference/joke at the least, to the fact during the rebuilding of LA, there were TWO different Gnashblade npcs. One with the Black Lion guys, and another (with a different outfit) standing next to Magnus and threatening Hero-tron with blackmail (While literally being in easy hearing range of Magnus and Kiel lol).

So Anet just expanded the mess-up into something else.

Another thing though, the blockade may be bolstered by Risen sea creatures/monsters.

Risen whales, leviathans, sharks, they could all be tasked to patrol a certain area of water, and sink any ships that go through. That’s even harder to track down and kill.

And finding said fleet would be a massive undertaking, resource AND time wise.

If they are typically underwater, that means air scouting with airships and helicopters is pointless.

It also means you can’t use either as a means to lure them out. So basically you have to dedicate your own fleet to sailing all around the ocean, HOPING you hit Risen dead ships. And hope they aren’t patrolling themselves and are sitting still (unlikely).

Which in the sense of trade ships or ships hunting down the Risen…

Makes it very hard to track. You don’t know if you’ll cross over a dead ship’s waiting spot (or it’s travel path). Trade-wise, I doubt many would want to take that risk right now.

12 hours to cross the entire length of Orr? :P edit: The quote can sound like the Orrian army was routed/forced to retreat in less then 12 hours.

I know there is a book in a ship off Orr that describes the crew watching the battle from afar, thinking they were safe because they weren’t docked/near the shore. Then the cataclysm sunk them.

Headcase.4618:

My Asura became a Revenant after somehow surviving Thaumanova. Don’t ask her about the specifics, as all she remembers is seeing a white flash and then waking up in the lake east of there.

Can also put in random detail like “Thaumanova went critical and exploded, she woke up years later, randomly appearing from a portal into a lake, as if no time had passed for her. However, she had new magic flowing through her.”

Because that would certainly fit both Revenant (randomly got thrown into the mists, and then randomly flung out), and the Thaumanova event, which has caused randomly teleported creatures from all over to appear.

Another thing about the Risen Navy…

Since it’s mostly below water before it strikes, the FEAR of it would halt most expiditions out toward Cantha/Elona/other areas of the world.

Because no ship captain is 100% sure that ALL of the dead ships/bones ships/Risen ships are gone, or that a battlegroup will appear around their ship and sink them.

I still think it’d be a good idea to have the Commander to lead a vanguard, while somebody else takes over the Pact.

At first this vanguard can be the Commander + Destiny’s Edge and Biconics, but then expand as people join. Basically, what I said in my last post.

Vanguard charges in and does the elite commando stuff, Pact moves in to research, secure, and clean up the area.

Mordremoth really only speaks directly to the Sylvari though, if you aren’t a player character, you just get glimpses through Canach.

When he speaks to everybody, it’s in the final battle in his mind, or the final battle with his body.

And the way I’ve seen it (and heard it, since my Sylvari isn’t that far into the HoT story mode, my human finished it), it’s more of him talking to all Sylvari, trying to convert those that didn’t bend instantly.

Way I saw it, the GW1 orrian undead were basically the entire Military of Orr, risen as skeletons and zombies.

In GW2, we almost entirely see Orrian civilians in the form of Risen, with very few military styled Risen (Some squires, but that’s about it).

Slowpokeking.8720:

Kalavier.1097:

You mean the novel which was set a good 100 (or was it 50) years BEFORE the events of personal story? 10 ships by itself isn’t a fleet, not even enough to blockade the Sea of Sorrow’s or the coastline.

So? Those are still Zhaitan’s fleet, also in EoD they destroyed another one along with Morgus, Zhaitan’s champion captain.

The undead ships have magic upon them, they also have all the Risen creatures like the maw plus the dragons to aid them in battle. Again you need to give proof of the Risen still have a huge navy left after Zhaitan’s death. Because it would make the entire Pact stupid morons to leave them to go for another dragon.

A: Pact spent the time from Zhaitan’s death to HoT building up forces and clearing out Orr.
B: Again, that’s + one ship. Tell me, where is the proof that Zhaitan’s fleet is utterly destroyed? Because there IS NONE. Hell, don’t you think something like that being destroyed utterly would be a source of news for traders trying to reach toward Cantha?
C: As we have seen ingame, Risen dead ships typically travel underwater, and surface to attack. That makes them extremely hard to track, especially by airship.

The real fun part is when the vines all die off and Verdant brink’s land and wreckage held in the air comes crashing down.

Slowpokeking.8720:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Way to take my post in an obviously false direction.

I said we destroyed 5 or so ships (granted, it’s probably closer to 10 if I assume there are events I have not seen with bone ships), and that we saw 10 or so ships in total (and probably closer to 15 for same reason above).

The point I was trying to make is that we never see the whole of Zhaitan’s navy, nor the majority of it. And we definitely did not cripple Zhaitan’s navy.

Proof? Even in the story ,we have destroyed 10 or more. In the novels many of the dead ships were also destroyed.

You mean the novel which was set a good 100 (or was it 50) years BEFORE the events of personal story? 10 ships by itself isn’t a fleet, not even enough to blockade the Sea of Sorrow’s or the coastline.

Diovid.9506:

Mada.5319:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

1. Most important thing to keep in mind is that the risen didn’t just drop dead after Zhaitan’s defeat. They continued to wander Orr and elsewhere, remaining as active as ever before. So Zhaitan’s defeat wouldn’t mean Elona’s northern border suddenly freed up – it just meant that the risen there would no longer get reinforcements.

What actual evidence do you have for this?

Probably the Tequatl Rising update and Arah explorable (both of which chronologically take place after Zhaitan’s death).

Or, you know, the final cutscene/epilogue instance for the personal story where Trahearne explicitly(IIRC) states clearing out the Risen will be a long, and hard job.

The difference is without Zhaitan, they won’t be constantly getting new Risen forces.

What purpose does the Risen Navy have in regards to Joko?

“reinforcements” is the same everywhere, but being honest I don’t see how it’s instantly going to cripple them. Their navy is, after all, rather huge from a hundred years or so :P.

“Goal”, they’d be guided by dragon champions (We know some were navy ship commanders before and after being turned to Risen). Even then, they could revert to a “Kill anything that is NOT a risen ship.”, which would be bad for all living groups.

Coordination… I fail to see how the towers really gave the Risen ships out in the ocean and not near Orr that.

Here is my thought on the original subject. Maybe, just maybe, Joko simply wanted to rule Elona, and doesn’t give a rats behind about the rest of the world?

It’s extremely doubtful Asura weapons behave like lightsabers. Those black lion plasma weapons? Maaybe.

Though I’d see Asura weapons packing a punch to make up for their massive physical disadvantage.

Seraph armors are the banded that the standard guards use (I think it’s banded?), CM dungeon heavy armor, and t3 cultural. CM dungeon armor is used for either heavy infantry (I believe some Seraph minis have more armor types including medium and light, but the heavy armor sounding ones use CM armor). CM dungeon heavy and T3 cultural heavy go back and forth. Mixes or whole sets are used for officers typically, but like the Seraph medic group in dry top entirely use CM armor (though some lack the shoulders).

The fallen angels Seraph division in Ebonhawke use a slightly different setup, it’s mostly CM though.

Most armor sets are as the name implies, or just normal gear. A unique lore description on each set of weapons and armor would be a lot, and a chunk of it would be “This is a battered chainmail suit of armor.” “This is a banded suit of armor.” :P

The only things I’d like a description on would be the unique exotic skins really.

So, my question as a lore buff, what is your character? I could try to help figure out a fitting set of gear for you. Or, what armor class is your character, and what ‘faction’ are you trying to have your character look the part of?

I’d like to point out to the OP, having barely glanced over the topic, that those rules were set up when the Pact was ORIGINALLY FORMED, and may not even be in place for a successor.

The reason those rules were put forth was because the orders DIDN’T TRUST EACH OTHER, and at points even disliked each other!

They made the rules so whoever became leader would favor everybody equally. Now that the orders have worked together closely, and trust each other/like each other much more, I don’t see why they’d be in place. I see no reason why Laranthir would be excluded.

I’d rather not have the pact disbanded either, being honest. I wouldn’t mind it being expanded, with somebody taking the seat of Marshall (Or at least, the army/logistics part.). Then, we have the commander.

So the commander takes charge of a group, at first just destiny’s edge and biconics, but basically expands with recruits and becomes the vanguard, who charge in and clear the bad guys out. The Pact itself handles heavy firepower, holding the ground and fortifying it, and cleaning up remaining bad guys.

“strong exposure to the mists” is an incredibly vague line to begin with, and I think most people would consider Fractals of the Mists and the MIST WAR (aka, World vs World) as exposure to the mists in a way.

We explicitly are traveling into the mists to partake in either activity after all.

I never noticed that, but at the same time they have sylvari npcs fighting alongside them in the other fort and in the wounded area IIRC… Still, then you have within the first day after the crash news being sent out that not all Sylvari are bad.

I didn’t do much of anything with the invasion, but that falls into “Anet’s timeline handling is goofed up majorly regarding some of this stuff.”

edit: I know at some point Eir mentions exactly how long she had been captured, but I forget what that is. As for the others, I highly doubt we spent a week in Auric Basin, and I feel overall the HoT campaign is very, very short, but also brutal.

It also falls into the trailer events not really appearing at all. Rytlocks line about Sylvari never comes to pass, and we never see or hear about anti-sylvari riots in Divinity’s Reach (Like we saw in trailer with Canach).

I just don’t see them able to do things too heavily in either direction about the Sylvari reveal. In LA they suggested violence toward sylvari, and had the one murder scene (as well as another Sylvari having to move out of LA due to loss of business), but they can’t send the world into an Anti-sylvari mindset effectively (with time-lock), and because it’s a player race.

Likewise, they can’t exactly ignore it.

edit2: Actually, that dialogue is rather cautious, but not outright violent. I think I’m just seeing too many players SCREAMING UTTER RAGE and hate toward Sylvari, that it’s coloring how I read things/see things suggested that Anet might do. It’s nice if it’s done right, but too many are just overdoing the entire thing and making it old and frustrating.

My point was, he said in the prologue the npcs and such were noting or calling out Sylvari as dragon minions.

My sylvari character not ONCE saw anything like that, at all.

EdwinLi.1284:

As for the main questions on the issues each Race is facing….

Caudecus is still quite active despite being on watch now as we learned in Season 2. He still has nobles supporting his cause and eventhough we took care of one of them there are most likely others who support him.

I don’t recall him or his actions really being mentioned in season 2. Bandits can be doing their stuff without his direct involvement.

You learn that the majority of the charr do not see the Elder Dragons as a threat in the Pact story Vigil path when Almorra explained about her son and how her son followed similar belief with how many members of the Legion never looked beyond the Charr.

And yet there is a dedicated anti-dragon unit in the Charr that is cross-legion… Also, Almorra’s son was also somebody rebelling against orders and in general not being a good person. Either way, it’s not really a thing to be concerned over. The Legion’s obay orders. The leadership knows about the dragons, so the bulk of the charr would fall in line.

I plan to do the asura one at some point, just have not had a chance yet.

Kalavier.1097:

Last time I went through that spot in silverwastes, the only thing said was “There must be some new type of Mordrem, that’s the only thing that could’ve caused this.” Not a single pact member ever said anything about Sylvari being dragon minions to MY sylvari character, or anything about it to my human character.

Nothing really confirmed it ingame (for my two playthroughs of the prologue and torn from sky) until AFTER they got into the brink, at least as far as everybody else goes.

That mostly because Silverwaste is set to Pre-HoT time zone with the story of Silverwaste map meta as something happened before we went into the Maguuma Jungle.

Not in the prologue instance. Which has them mentioning the fleet and all, alongside a lack of any real information.