Guild Wars 2

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Angel McCoy.1832:

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You said a lot of things without saying much at all. Or at least, little to nothing new or important.

Just like when there were issues over your espirits interview.

You’d make a great politician!

The important matter that you’ve yet to answer is simply this question – all other questions don’t really matter, as they’re just flavor context that only help deepen the lore rather than solve the conflicts that are making people scratch their heads and go “wtf?” – the question is:

Why did the krait agree to work with Scarlet? Why did they not just take the obelisk shards, perhaps enslave some of her minions, with the ruthlessness that they are known for? More so after their “prophet” died? Why do her alliances (krait, dredge, and Flame Legion particularly) continue working for her?

This is perhaps one of the biggest unsolved conundrums of Scarlet – other issues of her got lessened from when their roots were first presented, but this one has not.

On an aside, I would really, really love for those old racial lore blog posts to return – in an updated post-release form.

In the Escape from LA questions I saw before the release, Anet said the different forces were working with Scarlet for the endgame rewards. Each group probably has a ‘different’ reward in mind, but whatever was promised to them at the end is enough for those left to stick around.

Why didn’t they take the shards? Maybe they didn’t know where it was. Maybe they did try torturing Aetherblades only to find out Scarlet had hid them, and (probably) like her lairs, only SHE knew the locations. For all we know, this ‘splinter’ group of Krait could’ve tried their normal ways for a while until finally just throwing their arms in the air and going “FINE, we accept. You better deliver those shards!” (Which probably were the ones we looked at during that update). Heck, afterwards it’s noted that the shards all disappeared through portals, but I forget if it’s just said “They disappeared” or if the krait guarding them took them through.

I mean, when we talk about super zealous Religious extremists, we can’t expect predictable, rational thoughts. It’s happened before where they accept help/items, then later turn against the gift-giver. Example, if somebody today convinced the super zealous religious groups that he is the second coming of Jesus, and somebody gunned him down, would you expect those groups to just go “Oh, probably wasn’t true them. Move on.” Nah, they’d go crazy. Like the ones declaring days to be “The end day” when life continues they still don’t just admit they are wrong, they cling to it.

These Krait may very well be the group that takes the normal Krait religion to the extreme, and are now in it not for the obelisk/obelisk shards, but also for vengeance on their slaughtered prophet.

CureForLiving.5360:

Yeah, LA simply wasn’t ready for a new from of combat. They were prepared for a sea attack, maybe a ground attack.

LA was never prepared for airships. The Molten Alliance could come from underground, dredge tech, and through their flame portals (in fact Scarlet has been noted as having portal technology). The krait could relatively easily sneak past Claw Island (as long as they kept themselves deep underground). Besides how’s Claw Island looking after the attack by Zhaitan? So all you needed was to set up the miasma deployers and it was victory. Think of WW1 when they started using chemical weapons, initially it was devastating, people eventually adapted, new chemicals were developed, people adapted etc. But it took time.

Underwater* actually. But yes, Claw Island was completely bypassed. LA’s main form of defense was Claw Island either absorbing and defeating the attack force, or delaying and wounding it enough that the Lionguard/orders/other friendly forces and mercs/adventurers had time to prepare and be ready.

Let’s say Fort Mariner had cannons set up on the walls, the lionguard was prepared(due to Kiel and Magnus, as best as they could with the stonewalling) and that “gunnery range” (which I think held trebs during the Karka attack) was good to go as best they could. Then the airships started firing. Well if the cutscene all took place at roughly same time, that means the Molten alliance dredge APCs and portals opened up INSIDE the fort, shortly after the first bombardment. That’d cause major distraction. I think the first event in the Fort at the first minute inside the zone is literally driving the Molten alliance out of the fort and securing it for Lionguard. And as soon as Magnus evacuates with his forces, the Molten alliance swarm back in.

If Peter is MIA/dead, and the council holds a vote on next member (Which I believe is how it was stated, the Evon vs Kiel election was purely for trade agreement and whoever won that got the seat), I don’t see Evon getting in easily or smoothly.

Kiel and Magnus likely aren’t going to be fans of him with the bashing, and Shud may hold a grudge at his closing the gate in her face and several civilian’s faces.

Chrispy.5641:

Aaron Ansari.1604:

There’s also the bit about, you know, Evon actively stirring up malcontent in the refugee camps. Going as he was, he could have started a riot, one that would benefit no one but his public image. Conscription was really the only way to stop him without driving him out or declaring him a criminal. He ought to be thankful it came to this.

Hey! He’s a politician and a businessman. A dirty, crooked, greedy person that doesn’t care anything at all for a life, but atleast he doesn’t try to hide everything about him behind a wall….like pretty much every actual person in power in Lions Arch does.

He’s shady, he’s a politician yes, but when his bashing revolves around “All of your neighbors and loved ones are dead because THEY REFUSED TO LISTEN TO ME.”, his stunt at the gate leads to possible rioting. I mean, imagine if one of those few civilians walked by and then went “Hey, I remember you, at the gate you shut it off before anybody else could get through! I saw a number of people killed trying to reach another exit!”

The forced to supply Lionguard Is most likely the council getting back at him for both the bashing and stranding a number of civilians as well as Captain Shud in the middle of LA.

And frankly, in this situation, I’d rather see “This man is helping the Lionguard retake the city and avenge our fallen!” then “That man left a number of people and a Captain of the council to die in the center of town, and now is bashing them and accusing them of all the deaths. Hypocrite!”

CHIPS.6018:

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Maybe it’s just me, but it doesn’t really sound like Scarlet’s threatening them. Leveraging the service that only she can provide, sure, and if you want to toss a term with negative connotations in you could call that blackmail. But the implied “or else” is “or else I won’t help you”, not “or else I will harm you”.

I will tell you what the Krait should have done, after finding out Scarlet have the Obelisk.

-Kill and enslave Aetherblades that they can find. Torture them until they give up Scarlet’s location. Everyone have a breaking point and one of them will crack eventually.
-Kill and enslave Molten Alliance that they can find. Torture them until they give up Scarlet’s location. Everyone have a breaking point and one of them will crack eventually.
-Locate Scarlet and kill Scarlet.
-Take the Obelisk and continue worshipping.

This is the Krait’s way of dealing with problems. They don’t communicate or play nice with anyone. They just kill and enslave you. Any questions? :P

That is, until the old lore got changed to make room for Mary Scarlet Sue.

By the way nevemind the Krait. Even the Pact should have done this. If I am truly the commander of the Pact, I would have tortured the Aetherblades and Molten Alliances members for information long time ago. Cut off a finger here. Cut off a feet there. Someone must know where Scarlet is.

It would have prevented the deaths of thousands of lives in LA. When you play nice with your enemy, the people you love and care about suffers. It is purely due to the “play nice” attitude of the Pact, that thousands are now dead in LA.

It was the same reason Ascalon lost the war against the Charr. Talented people like Verata should be used to their maximum effect. Instead they were outlawed and banished by the Order of Necromancers. What foolishness!

I am a 300 years old necromancer and I approve this message.

What if they tried, only to find out neither the Aetherblades or Molten Alliance knew anything about where Scarlet is? who is to say either group know where her lairs where? For Krait OR Pact questioning. What if she held the obelisk and had it trapped to explode if she didn’t open the door? Who is to say the Krait aren’t playing along as soon as they get the rest of the shards, they’ll turn on Scarlet or leave her to rot?

I truly doubt either group had any clue where Scarlet hides between appearing to give them information/objective. There is a difference between “Play nice” and “Hey, I’m going to be a torturing kitten who has no problems murdering friendlies.” Because that’s what Verata was doing. He was experimenting on his fellow refugees. That’s why the Order of the Necromancers went after him, not his research. IIRC, the quest actually was like “This guy is experimenting on how to make minions last longer. That’s great. He’s using fellow refugees and civilians for his experiments, that’s not cool.”

My 300(almost) year necromancer(GW1 necro, not ingame atm lol) wouldn’t support such actions, and she’s basically ditched caring about politics. Though if they made a VERY, VERY good offer, she might wander into LA and clear out a chunk of the enemies, as she never stopped practicing or improving her abilities and thus is very powerful :P.

The line about “You’ll get executed” is (I believe it, others do to) simply to MAKE Evon play along, because everybody knows otherwise he’ll go “kitten you” and walk away and the Lionguard needs supplies now more then ever. For all his professed caring for the city and warning people, he’s more then happy to leave them to rot. I’ve seen it ingame, towards the end of the cycle he runs out with Dolyaks, and upon hearing Shud’s goal to shut down the gate after civilians get through, he charges through it with his merchandise loaded dolyaks, and shuts down the gate. He literally strands a group of civilians and Captain Shud simply to save his own hide and his merchandise.

So basically “Tell him about his new job, if he refuses, pull that line.”

edit: Hell, if the Captains Council did have a meeting before splitting across the camps, I wouldn’t be surprised if Shud had brought that up and it was harsher then normal simply because they were sick of Evon’s badmouthing and stranding them and others in need.

Also, that wasn’t when LA was in ruins with clouds of Miasma killing chunks of the population.

Fafnir.5124:

Riot Inducer.8964:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Windwalker.2047:

Well i sure hope someone died in the attack,for now it seems everyone and their grandmother survived-its kinda silly.

Where did you get that idea? All the main characters survived… but of course they all knew the attack was coming so that makes sense.

Otherwise we only saved ~1500 people lore wise. Since the city has a population of ~50,000 I’d say that quite a few people died…

Let’s not forget the enemy casualties… I’m pretty sure i’ve killed more aetherblades then come countries have people.

I’m just wondering how Lion’s Arch even had a population of 1500 before let alone 50k, there couldn’t have been more than 2 dozen residential buildings in the whole city.

Consider what percent of population is military force. How many lion guard do you see and speculate on how many citizens it takes to support that kind of military. and from that you can get a rough size of LA population.

Also consider we don’t see inside of many of the buildings, and there is always a form of gameplay limits. IE, it doesn’t really take less then ten minutes to go from vigil keep to LA. Also travelers. who knows how many people in the city each day are there on business from another city through the gate, arriving/leaving by Boat, or simply land travel hiking into town.

Shiren.9532:

Maybe he went to sPvP to get his ship back and he decided to stay a bit longer to finish spending all his glory before it’s removed?

Or maybe he got lost.

For some reason that made me think of after the attack he’s found sleeping under a table with a beer bottle in hand. No idea why lol.

But, as said, this is an attack which is (For GW2 purposes) brand new. Afterwards we may see more AA defenses, but right now it’s “WHAT?”

I mean, in Orr what are Airship roles? Kill dragons/keep dragons away from ground forces. Not ground bombardment.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Andele, nothing states that either the Fortune Teller or Razakel had talked into Shiro/Khilbron’s mind. They used – as far as we know – fully mundane means of tricking and converting Shiro and Khilbron.

This. Andele, what we saw of the Fortune Teller was (maybe she actually did look into the future, who knows), putting forth things, and twisting them. Making it so to the point where when Shiro was invited to go to the top of the temple, all he could think about was the line (IIRC) “The emperor is going to kill you!”

Razakel, I don’t think we got as much information, but he did the similar thing. Normal convincing/slowly making Khilbron think in the manner which would use the scrolls. Hell, Khilbron may have thought using that magic WOULD save Orr, instead of destroying it.

CHIPS.6018:

Kalavier.1097:

Actually, the game didn’t. There were a lot of Krait that were normal and not “toxic” glowing.

Also, As Angle explicitly said for the Krait, the wiki clearly stated the Nightmare court with Scarlet is a splinter faction.

Growing a giant tree to poison massive amounts of land? That’s pretty horrible and would affect the dream.

Also, the Krait willing enough to following Scarlet for the Obelisk shards, would also be the ones who would follow her still. Why? Vengeance. A bunch of adventurers just murdered their prophet after it emerged. A super “religion is everything” group would basically follow Scarlet simply to get the heads of those who did it.

No one will avenge false prophets, who lied to their own people.

The prophet(s) were supposed to lead the Kraits to conquer all the land dwellers. That’s the prophecy. If someone claimed to be a prophet, yet failed to fulfill the prophecy and died, that person is a false prophet.

And the super zealous hardly see reason so clearly. To them the prophet was coming, and was slaughtered as he awoke by a group.

A: If the Krait were entirely underwater, Claw Island would NEVER know.
B: IIRC, Lionguards have a grand total of… 2-3 airships. Kiel’s, and then the one which attacks the Aetherblade TA path. If you count the ones ingame around LA, you get 3 total friendly airships. Hardly a match for a fleet.

Also, people seem to miss the fact of “kitten in the air comes down”. If they had the AA guns in place, those airships would have crashed downward, probably causing WORSE damage and panic. They might defeat the Aetherblade fleet, but LA would be in ruins anyway.

Also the fact if Kiel’s airship had been hostile and broadsided that section of wall, you wouldn’t have a wall with cannons on top and lionguard manning them. You’d have an explosion, flying rubble, and colorful smears of former lionguard armor and blood.

Hell, waste one airship bombarding the fort and then crashing into it, and the rest of the city is open for assault.

Gameplay doesn’t = lore. If that was true then the centaurs must have around a million babies per day to keep up with player slaughter. All the kills combined would probably equal over the population of the Earth.

Qawsada.4251:

Kalavier.1097:

Actually, the game didn’t. There were a lot of Krait that were normal and not “toxic” glowing.

Considering the LS daily event consist us in going to the hot spot of those Krait area just to kill them and the Witch, I would say otherwise.

Toxic alliance krait glowed. A good, large majority of Krait did not.

Kalavier.1097:

Also, As Angle explicitly said for the Krait, the wiki clearly stated the Nightmare court with Scarlet is a splinter faction.

Again, That isn’t enough information in regard to why would the Nightmare Court would work with Scarlet in the first place, or with the Krait for that matter. I am quite aware that they are two timing back stabbers from the explorable of TA, but I can’t picture them working for someone like Scarlet, who treated her employees like crap. The only excuse for this is writing new lore to fit the Living Story and that is a whole new kind of terrible.

Why do the nightmare court do half the things they do? This splinter faction obviously felt what Scarlet was doing was horrible enough for them. Also, she only has been confirmed as treating the Aetherblades ‘like crap’. :P

Kalavier.1097:

Also, the Krait willing enough to following Scarlet for the Obelisk shards, would also be the ones who would follow her still. Why? Vengeance. A bunch of adventurers just murdered their prophet after it emerged. A super “religion is everything” group would basically follow Scarlet simply to get the heads of those who did it.

Except they could just go to the adventurer’s home land and just attack there, like they always did. Cut out the middle man (or sylvari in this case) and go directly to their heart.

How would they attack all the capitals? Assuming a multi-racial adventurer group that killed their prophet.

Maybe Scarlet implied the group lived in/came from LA. Maybe she promised them more shards. Who knows.

Also most of the demon influence on Shiro or Khilbron was less mind control and more slow convincing and twisting facts/appearances.

They played a very good game, and succeeded in it, but it wasn’t mind control.

People seem to miss the fact Kiel didn’t claim the Airship. Magnus did. Which mean contesting it would involve the Lionguard and maybe even the Captain’s council.

The amount of hassle that would create would be way too much when as a Pact commander you could find an airship that isn’t currently on a mission and request them to help you out with whatever.

Which is entirely what LA would say. “Go boss around one of your own airships. We are claiming this for LA.”

Also… this quote/mail

Sigh…

“<Character name>,

The Aetherblade scoundrels have a base inside Lion’s Arch! I need deputies for a raid on their hideout. Consider yourself deputized. Head to the base of the waterfall at Diverse Ledges as soon as you can.

—Lionguard Inspector Ellen Kiel"

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dragon_Bash_mail

You were an acting deputy of the Lionguard. Why you accepted the role is your own business, but while raiding that base that was the part you were playing.

In reality, by charging in their with Kiel, you were acting as a lionguard deputy. Which means all your effort was also “Lionguard effort”.

Actually, the game didn’t. There were a lot of Krait that were normal and not “toxic” glowing.

Also, As Angle explicitly said for the Krait, the wiki clearly stated the Nightmare court with Scarlet is a splinter faction.

Growing a giant tree to poison massive amounts of land? That’s pretty horrible and would affect the dream.

Also, the Krait willing enough to following Scarlet for the Obelisk shards, would also be the ones who would follow her still. Why? Vengeance. A bunch of adventurers just murdered their prophet after it emerged. A super “religion is everything” group would basically follow Scarlet simply to get the heads of those who did it.

Qawsada.4251:

Saint.5647:

No, the plot convenience took the city in under an hour. Nothing about Scarlet or her forces suggest she is capable of doing this. Considering we have dispatched every force she has ever dispatched to date.

Any victories Scarlet achieves are done so because the player and the iconic NPCs are forced to hang on to the Idiot Ball. Nike is correct.

Its pretty much on the hand of bad writing. EVERYONE and their dog know that Scarlet is going to invade and there is nothing we can do about it because it was already written in such a way that Scarlet won the invasion. You would think that by now, every alliance and every man power that Scarlet once have would abandon her but nope, everything is according to plan.

LA was invaded by god-like creatures and their cultists. LA survive the tidal wave of the Risen Orr. LA defected all those undead armies of Zhaitan. LA took two beating from the Karka Invasion. LA got bombarded with the Mad King’s shenanigans. All of this and you are going to tell me that some Sylvari was able to sack LA without any effort. Screw this.

Word of God aka Anet. The groups are with Scarlet because of the endgame rewards promised to them or that they want. Not the full forces she once had (for like Molten alliance and such), but the ones left are in it for the end loot.

The Mursaat weren’t god like. And the White mantle was pretty much at it’s weakest.
LA didn’t survive the tidal wave. It got buried. It was simply rebuilt using the shipwrecked boats.
IIRC, It had a very large fleet and the Krytan Navy helping it back then.(And claw Island)
It really only took one beating from the Karka invasion, but even then it was very minor and just the lighthouse. In Personal story it got MINOR attacks because Claw Island took the bulk of the attack and the orders were basically right there with their armies.
Mad King thorn affected the Lion’s Court/fountain. Nothing else. Hardly an attack.

And in general, most of those attacks had warning and preparation. This one did not. It had warning but the warnings weren’t acted upon. The Council got careless/overconfident, and they’ve paid for it.

Scarlet’s attack came from the Air (No warning on when, and the Captain’s council stubbornly believed they wouldn’t be attacked again and thus didn’t allow bolstered defenses), opened with a massive bombardment (No other attack did this, and the undead navies had Claw Island to deal with), followed by deploying forces (Aetherblade from air, toxic from underwater, and Molten through portals and underground), as well as dumping Miasma all over.

Simply put, the Lionguard had no warning, and no chance once the panic set in.

Frankly, this is like going “My Necromancer survived Claw Island, all those dungeons, Arah, Orr, and more. There’s no way tripping down a flight of stairs would kill her!” And frankly, that trip COULD kill my necromancer. Get careless, and the simplest thing will wipe you out. (human necro, btw).

Those airships carry a lot of cannons. Full broadsides from them focused toward the city = a lot of damage. Especially if they targeted Fort Mariner in the first barrage to strike any cannons or clustered lionguard.

Saint.5647:

Kalavier.1097:

Nike.2631:

The sad thing is it would have made Scarlet look genuinely scary if Lion’s Arch had battened down the hatches, manned the walls in double shifts, and made every possible preparation… and her forces walked over them to the exact same degree we see now.

I don’t see how she doesn’t ‘look scary’ or her forces don’t look that way now. They took a city in a range from UNDER AN HOUR to within a single night (aka, a few hours).

No, the plot convenience took the city in under an hour. Nothing about Scarlet or her forces suggest she is capable of doing this. Considering we have dispatched every force she has ever dispatched to date.

Any victories Scarlet achieves are done so because the player and the iconic NPCs are forced to hang on to the Idiot Ball. Nike is correct.

Nothing suggests that? We’ve never taken on a fleet of airships actively bombarding the ground. Which is what opened up this attack. Even the player mobs had trouble in the final level of tower of nightmares, which was included in the attack (Only in a stronger form).

The invasion forces were scattered all over, we weren’t forced to try to defend a single, poorly defended city full of civilians. Infact, the whole “Airships doing ground bombardment” is practically a new thing for everybody, so it’s hard to imagine people reacting calmly and effortlessly driving Scarlet away.

Hell, the airdrops alone make it a game changer. Bombardment confuses everybody and panics the civilians (Sending them running EVERYWHERE), then you drop mobs of Aetherblades inside those crowds and all around town. There is literally no way the Lionguard could muster an effective response quickly enough to secure the town. The Invasion events (Taking the zerg as being somewhat a canon response) was the people swarming over the portal sites and such AFTER they formed. Not stopping them all instantly after they appeared.

We have dispatched her forces before yes. But did we do that while trying to deal with a city full of panicked civilians AND Miasma clouds before? I doubt the Lionguard have. The city explicitly wasn’t as prepared as it could have been because of the Captain council stonewalling Kiel (and probably Magnus).

Frankly, with Scarlet it’s always been a two phase event. Her forces attack, cause havoc, and deal a lot of damage in the “What’s going on!” period. Then the good guys muster up and charge forth, smashing her. Right now she’s using the “What’s going on!” part to full power.

How well the races get along.

Sylvari: Have no grudges.
Norn: Have no grudges
Asura: Have no grudges.
Charr-Humans: have grudges, which have SEVERELY depleted over the years.

As noted, by the time of Kralk’s awakening the war between Charr and Ebonhawke had basically simmered down, and the peace treaty just made it so both groups could go “Well, finally we can focus on actual, major threats.”

GW2 is not WoW where everybody bashes each others heads in to the point of people crying out how STUPID it is. In GW2 you have reasonable leaders who actually use their brains. There is no war between races to be had, and at most it’d be Charr attacking Ebonhawke and… that’s it. They literally didn’t care about Kryta.

Also remember, this is at LEAST one day later, at most… less then a week.

There hasn’t been any time (lore-wise) for the other capitals or major cities to FORM a full fledged response. Organizing military aid for the racial armies TAKES TIME. You can’t just send 500 Seraph to LA randomly, you gotta make sure your borders/danger areas have enough forces to hold the line. And According to various dialogue in LA, that’s a situation that constantly fluctuates. Even the Charr have to split their forces between ghost duty, brand duty, and flame legion assaults.

It’s why the orders formed the pact and went after the dragon. Unlike the racial armies, they aren’t bogged down in any conflict or major engagements. They could rally their forces quickly (You see this in the Personal story fight in LA) and marched to Orr, now they have to regroup and would have to split forces between cleaning up Orr and engaging new threats.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Kasmeer’s father wasn’t said to be directly responsible; it was more of a class warfare kind of deal- here’s a debtors prison full of commoners who likely got cheated or abused in some way by the upper class, and the Ministry Guard just tossed a noble into their midst. Cue predictable outcome.

This, a noble tossed into a prison that most likely is filled with commoners who would have issues with the ‘upper class’ isn’t going to last long.

The guards? They may have been paid off by ministry. Maybe they were commons by upbringing and went “meh, let them vent”. Or maybe it happened when they weren’t looking and by the time they could’ve responded, it was too late.

She went to Marjory because she NEEDED help (and wanted to help). sounded more like she jumped at the first job opening she saw.

Okay, can I actually see confirmation about these “limited time rewards” coming back? All I’ve seen is vague statements and nothing concrete at all. I saw something ingame about “Oh, do this event over here because you have a chance to get a 600 gold worth item!” and when asked… no actual information.

edit: Okay, so the ultimate save bag drops them. Probably not a high rate, and frankly these items are all related to the Scarlet forces. It’s not like we are stomping through a krait base and finding molten jetpacks or monocles….

Windwalker.2047:

Well i sure hope someone died in the attack,for now it seems everyone and their grandmother survived-its kinda silly.

Have you bothered to talk to many of the NPC’s? One refugee in lornar’s pass goes just shy of assaulting a priory novice because her son is dead.

Another in one of the camps had his wife die and he almost wishes he died with her.

The Asura mom as mentioned had (Is it confirmed son? sounded vague but loved one) taken from her arms to a mass grave as soon as she reached the camp.

The two vigil soldiers talk about “Have you seen all the dead lionguard they are pulling out of LA?”

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

If it’s an emergency would you really go back to your game to get your character out of LA? -_- Helping the community = forcing you to play a certain way? What if I just like going into LA for extra profit while playing the TP?

Good grief. Keep trying to defend AFK leeching all you want. Okay, yeah if your house is on fire then I guess it is okay to AFK. LOL

No one is forcing you to play a certain way, but if you take part in the LA event where a significant part requires actually participating then you should be willing to participate in one way or another. Unless you house catches fire. HAHA

Would you go do Wurm or Teq and then just stand there?

He’s not defending the leechers. If he’s thinking of this any way similar to I am, he’s ADMITTING they are there.

He’s simply saying you can’t run around banning people for being “AFK” simply because hey, maybe they logged in, went ‘Yeah, let’s do an LA round!’ and suddenly, their grandparents called wanting to talk about some important things." Or maybe his wife HAD to run to the store and he needed to watch the kid.

What, you want him to go “Hold on, let me log out of my game!” in either case? No, he’s going to focus on RL. Yes, leechers exist. But you can’t just run through and ban everybody who is AFK. Now if they ANNOUNCE they are not going to do anything, feel free. If you just see somebody sitting in a semi-dangerous zone, it’s most likely RL.

Leo Paul.1659:

Just now, someone in LA was castigating other players for scouring rubbles. Other players asked him how many citizens they had to rescue so they can play how they want or have the “privilege” of going for a break. Some people’s line of reasoning here is so close to doing just that – whining and kittening in their attempt to enforce their gameplay to everyone else.

Yeah, I kinda like that idea of just wandering about, not doing any events or citizen rescues. Hell, run those three JP while you are in there!

You certainly aren’t harming anybody. And you aren’t AFK so these guys can’t kitten at you.

Pro-tip to all the griefers in this thread. If they are in a dangerous/semi-dangerous area, they most likely started off but then got dragged away by that awful thing called real life. Don’t punish them for real life. Remember to make the difference or think that not everybody who is AFK is leeching.

Chrispy.5641:

Kalavier.1097:

Posting this because it’s fitting. My words, from another topic.

I never got to do the Aetherblade retreat mini-dungeon sadly, but tell me, WHAT would your character do with an airship? How would he/she crew it, maintain it, fund it? What is your characters backstory that allows them to be able to operate an Airship fluidly without crashing into a hill?

Maybe keep it in my home instance in Divinity’s Reach until I need it. Even just making it float above that area would have been enough, and would have been an awesome visual proof that I raided the Aetherblade Retreat. (you missed a chance on this one Anet…)

And note how the home instance (besides NPCs) displays NONE of the items in the personal story tab. You don’t have a LA banner hanging in your house, or Apatia’s axe on a desk.

edit: Oh, and what would the Norn do then, or the Sylvari? You know, the Norn home instance takes place ENTIRELY indoors, and the Sylvari is at the bottom level of the grove/Pale tree. Neither could see an Airship, much less have one around. And after the attack on Jubilee having an Aetherblade airship floating above Salma district would get you serious flack.

Kalavier.1097:

Why should the Lionguard just let a random Adventurer (admittedly one who helped them, and might be part of the officer level of the Pact) waltz away with an airship? The Aetherblades attacked LA, it’s part of their attack. Lionguard taking it gives LA an airship as well as lets them scour it for any information or clues that might be onboard. All in all, the “SHE STOLE MY AIRSHIP. I FOUGHT THROUGH IT, SHOULD BE MINE!” comes across and childish whining and temper tantum.

I (and many other players) are Pact Commanders. We aren’t just some random adventurers! We’d definitely be more well known at that point in time than the Lionguard’s puppet Kiel, thats for sure.

I suppose everybody would know the name/history of a USA Army general comes walking through town right? Hell, not many living story npcs comment on the “Pact commander” status besides one in Molten Alliance, and I’m fairly sure that’s the HEAD of the Iron legion. Hell, in terms of LA we might be LESS known then Kiel. The Lionguard would know of us, but we are that person who retook claw island, then left to fight the Risen and didn’t stick around and help rebuild the fort.

So: Random guy who fought at Claw Island/LA, retook Claw Island, then promptly left with the orders so most of us probably never met him directly."
vs “Kiel, who we all know heavily, work with, and see almost every day probably.”

Oh, ALSO the fact that you’d be fighting the Captain’s council. Magnus claimed the Airship and then gifted it to Kiel. So you aren’t simply saying “SHE STOLE IT!” You are trying to fight the head of the Lionguard and member of the council. I’m fairly sure they’d go for “Yeah, let’s keep this airship for the Lionguard” instead of “Let the Pact commander take it despite the fact he could just go order around any number of the airships the Pact uses.”

Still, Real life comparison. If raiding a criminal hideout, would they just let a USA Army officer drive off with a vehicle parked inside? Nope. They’d keep it for investigation or trial. Hell, going “PACT COMMANDER, GIMME AIRSHIP” Would result in a "Oh, a Pact commander, just go down to Fort Trinity and claim one of the airships IN THE PACT. We’ll be taking this one for the Lionguard.

edit2: OH YEAH. You know, you should freaking talk to the npcs around the Marionette wreckage. The ones that directly state YOU HELPED BRING THIS DOWN. Or Vorpp/Marjory/Kasmeer, who state that if YOU HADN’T HELP FIGURE IT OUT/INPUTTED, They wouldn’t have been able to respond so quick.

Your character helps out a lot, and gets credit all throughout the Personal story (Trahearne NEVER steals credit or glory from you), and even in Living story they’ve started to give credit to the player.

Downgraded? If you are talking about the “500 to 300”, it was SUPPOSED to be 300. It was bugged and didn’t reward until 500. So that’s them just making the game reflect what they had said would happen.

I’m not defending people who sit there and do nothing besides gather in the rewards. I’m defending this universal blanket statement and griefing of ALL of the people who AFK/stay still for WHATEVER reason (RL, wanting to stay near a zone to be able to get the defend achievements, and yes, sitting around doing nothing but getting the rewards).

Also, Marionette fight was awesome because it didn’t clutter your inventory, and you got a LOT of loot for those cyphers when turning them in.

Leo Paul.1659:

KarateKid.5648:

Jaher Dal.9503:

I have been pulling mobs to the afkers during the LA events, it is great fun.

I have to admit to doing this evil myself. I revived a dude three times before I realized he was afk… yah I’m a bit slow. After that, I’ve started dragging trash over to them when I find them

That’s griefing. -_- How do you know that that person went AFK because he just wants to leech or is doing something important IRL?

Henri Blanche.8276:

I found someone downed at a particularly dangerous location so after mostly clearing the area I revived him. The toon didn’t move, and there was no other indication that there was anyone behind the wheel. So I opted to spend some time letting the toon die and be revived several times. The gift of an entirely broken set of armor.

As Leo said, that IS griefing. You are purposefully doing something to ‘harm’ another player.

What if he suddenly had a little kid act up/need his attention (which I know for a fact can quickly go from “Oh, a minute” to “It’s been an hour”), or suddenly work/relative called with something VERY important?

Then he comes back from being unexpectedly called to RL for an unknown amount of time, and find his armor set entirely broken and a hefty repair bill because “HE WAS AFKING!”?

If he was in a dangerous zone, it’s very, very likely he got distracted/called away by RL instead of just “Afking to ‘leech’ rewards”.

What I’ve heard most about TOR boils down moreso into a “It’s a good single player game. MMO? eh.”

And even then I’ve heard chunks of the story aren’t the greatest.

Scoundrel.2139:

I think it would be easier to have goals in the instance. For example, if you don’t rescue a civ/particpate in an event/encourage a soldier at least once every 5 mins then you get kicked.

Or perhaps they can add a better mechanic, such as someone hauls you out thinking you’re a ‘scared citizen’ needing ‘encouragement’.

So, “If you don’t focus entirely on civilians, you aren’t allowed to play.” BRILLIANT. Considering you know, people need blade shards for the backpiece (If they want) or heirlooms for those alliance boxes or the potions. Or what if they are staying in a zone to get the defend achievements?

aspirine.6852:

Kal Spiro.9745:

aspirine.6852:

Kal Spiro.9745:

aspirine.6852:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Dabrixmgp.4758:

Windwalker.2047:

Mirta.5029:

if they’re doing something without touching their keyboard, that’s botting. You can report for that.

He is talking about afk people-that’s not a reportable offense.

its griefing. i have missed 1200 by less than 100 several times. Easily would have had a few of them if not for 6-7 AFKers. They are purposely trying to ruin part of the event (Getting 1200 rescues) so they are griefing which can be reported.

Are you insane? 6-7 AFK have no effect on the event at all. You realize that there are a finite number of civilians, right? Those 6-7 could have helped at one civi spot, but so could any handful of people. They’re doing no less or more good standing around than if they were running mindlessly with the zergs.

A handful of people are not impacting your ability to get 100 rescues. The event can easily support (20) people picking their nose afk. It just means too many people are concentrating on bags and not enough people on civs.

Better luck next time.

6 or 7 people can easily be keeping a path clear. Besides they are not doing anything in LA but leech, why should they get anything according to you? They can just be removed from LA, no asking them to be removed from the game or anything.

Because it’s not your business, nor mine, what they do or don’t do. That’s why.

They ruining the event for me, and/or for atleast 7 others who cannot get into the server. That kinda would make it my business.

If 6-7 people have so much power they’re ruining the entire event for you, you have completely different issues that have nothing to do with AFKing.

What they’re not, doing, though, is individually causing the event to fail. You can hold yourself and the other (150) people in the zone just as accountable for that.

Yes lets blame the people who try instead of the ones that don’t.

Yes, let’s scream at the people sitting by the entrance who are in no way causing events to scale up and fail. Who are in no way requiring you sit there staring at them instead of rescuing civilians. Or other things. If you got a crowd focused on civilians, hell in SF we managed to break 1200 in one match, 900 in another AT the Miasma bar maxed (but before Magnus screamed to run away). And we were 100 to 100+ short but still broke both of them.

Really, as said, then you boil into “INTENT”. What if say a person is used to an unnaturally long loading time, started it, went “Well, sucks but in this type of situation I can expect 5 minutes wait.” so he runs to get a quick sandwhich and drink, but in this case he actually loads in 2-3 minutes in. He don’t know that.

Or suddenly had an important phone call that was unexpected. Or had to run and help their little kid. Besides going “We can tell you were using some sort of macro/thing to keep yourself in past an AFK auto log-out” you can’t tell intent or reason behind AFK. Sure, SOME 100% are doing that simply to not do anything but get rewards. But can you be sure every single one is?

And how can you prove whether or not that person had to run and answer the phone for a VERY important call instead of going “HA, I’ma totally kittening ruin the event for everybody by afking somehow.”

Andele.1306:

Kalavier.1097:

Andele.1306:

Kalavier.1097:

lilexodaria.8076:

While I do enjoy not being the main character, Trahearne is annoying because he sends you off to do stuff and takes credit for it.

Only, he literally NEVER does.

Yes he literally never does anything, even in the cutscene where he should have spawned the flesh golems to save you, on three out of four of my 80s that got trough the story, he was dead and glitched trough it. Sylvari personal story part doesnt count.

That’s game mechanics. I’m talking the “He sends you off to do stuff and takes credit for it.”

Which he never does. He always talks about how important the player character is to the successes. He never goes “Oh, it was all me. I did all of that.”

Rule for every game ever: Mechanics and showing of story> implying and typing a story

Rule for every canon/lore ever, game mechanics sometimes are forced to do things, such things aren’t in lore.

IE, in Starcraft you can’t just turn some minerals into marines randomly in the lore, yet in game you can.

And also, yeah, Trahearne NEVER takes credit for any of the player actions in Personal Story. I’ve yet to see any prove of it otherwise.

Andele.1306:

Kalavier.1097:

lilexodaria.8076:

While I do enjoy not being the main character, Trahearne is annoying because he sends you off to do stuff and takes credit for it.

Only, he literally NEVER does.

Yes he literally never does anything, even in the cutscene where he should have spawned the flesh golems to save you, on three out of four of my 80s that got trough the story, he was dead and glitched trough it. Sylvari personal story part doesnt count.

That’s game mechanics. I’m talking the “He sends you off to do stuff and takes credit for it.”

Which he never does. He always talks about how important the player character is to the successes. He never goes “Oh, it was all me. I did all of that.”

lilexodaria.8076:

While I do enjoy not being the main character, Trahearne is annoying because he sends you off to do stuff and takes credit for it.

Only, he literally NEVER does.

Well, moreso for others then you as you seem to know the lore a good bit.

Some don’t know that,. Course, humans thinking them lower is basically the opposite of what the Norn do to them. It really boils down into a rather neat case of “All these groups have their religions and gods, yet in almost all the cases they actually get along and don’t start holy wars.”

Konig Des Todes.2086:

1. Lyssa share their divinity, that is why they count as one goddess. This is the core basis behind their whole “twin goddess” (as opposed to “twin goddesses”). When counting the Six Gods, they count as one being, even though they are technically two.
2. Nothing says Dhuum retains divinity – in fact, everything says he lost his divinity (to Grenth), particularly the skill point of “Dhuum’s Last Stand”. He is a fallen god, not a god – there’s a difference.
3. Menzies is not a god either nor is he ever implied to be such (you spelled his name right).

If you’re going to argue “there are more gods” then the beings you should look at are Koda, Mellagan, and Zintl. They may not be human gods, but they are called gods by their respective followers, and though there are hints that Melandru and Mellagan are the same it is still unconfirmed (in a similar manner, there’s been theories that Koda is, in fact, the combined interpretation of Dwayna and Melandru, as well as being an alternate representation of Bear Spirit (the former coming from Koda’s titles, the latter coming from the new Edge of the Mists where the Spirit of Koda is a bear spirit, much like Bear Spirit was in GW1).

Menzies is simply described as Balthazar’s half-brother IIRC. Which COULD imply having god-like powers, but not being a god himself. But it’s never really stated at all.

Mellagan vs Melandru, IIRC human scholars think they are the same (especially since some Quaggan use old statues of Melandru for worship), but the Quaggan are simply to polite to actually debate or deny the claim. They state Mallagan was murdered by the Krait (I think) roughly the time when the Krait killed the Quaggan royal family and drove the poor things out of the oceans.

I almost misread your post as “There are not human gods.” My bad.

Um, we know the Spirits of the Wild hold a similar level to the human gods, maybe not as powerful, but the Norn (in a minor way) revere the human gods as “Spirits of Action” (I think). Something like balthazar = war, Kormir = knowledge.

Other then Norn, Quaggan, Kodan, and Humans, we don’t really have any examples of ‘gods’ or god-like beings. Grawl basically worship anything that appears powerful to them.

Shiren.9532:

Compare that to Braham. Why is Brahm at the Nightmare Tower? Why is Braham at the marionette (instead of a Priory NPC) why is Braham defending Lion’s Arch? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to have a Lion’s Arch NPC as the face of the invasion? Or a Vigil/Priory/Order NPC?

So instead of reoccurring characters, two of which basically are as much adventurers as the players (And Braham explicitly points toward continuing working that career), two of which have an informant (they don’t know who exactly) who is dropping them information about certain upcoming things, and them wanting to stop Scarlet after the tower of nightmares, and one (Taimi) who was there simply to meet and talk to scarlet, but now wants to just observe her as it’s gone really dangerous.

Instead of these characters, you’d rather each Living Story element just shove brand new characters who disappear? We’d meet a Lionguard captain who afterwards… stays in LA? Kinda true with Kiel, but she’s appeared in relevant areas alongside the Norn Lionguard from Southsun at times. The “B-team” are the travelers, but there are other characters who appear off and on when fitting, like Vorpp.

Iretha.7625:

Get over yourself. Plain and simple. Like GW1, in GW2 the player character is NOT the center of attention, our names don’t go down in the history books. The reasons for this are so obvious I’m not even sure why I feel compelled to explain them to you.

Example 1: Trahearne. He is commonly hated for various reasons, and yes, his “Taking the spotlight” tends to be one of them. Years from now when they speak about the cleansing of Oor and the fall of Zhaitan, you obviously won’t see the list of millions of player’s characters in a history book. Instead it will be “Trahearne and a commander who’s name has been lost over time” or something. Those heroes can NOT get things done just fine without us story-wise, but the game still can’t give you all the credit.

YOU. The player. Are the side hero. You’re good guy Greg who comes in and fixes EVERYTHING and walks off without taking the credit. The history books will not remember you, just like how they didn’t in GW1, simply because it’s not possible. Why is this not possible? For instance, my necromancer’s name is “Sepzane”. Years from now when gw2 is dead and we’re in GW3 I’ll probably come across a book that says “Zhaitan was finally slain thanks to the combined heroics of Trahearne and Sepzane.” That doesn’t sound right now, does it? Because every single player, most with several other characters have slain Zhaitan with Trahearne, from a lore perspective they simple and positively cannot put you in the middle of the kitten spotlight.

Can they do a better job with having the LS crew and DE notice you better? Maybe, but they already do. Just TALK to them. But they can’t give you the spotlight, YOU can’t be the main character of a major plot line in an mmo. (Key word: MMO, millions of different player characters doing the same work you do, and you want to be the star.) As far as their lore is concerned, our characters are the unnamed heroes who were instrumental in doing a good chunk of good.

I’ll simply point out Trahearne doesn’t take credit, but you do state several things that I personally believe and was thinking about posting. I cut out DE and “B-team” because I don’t really feel like talking about them.

Another one you didn’t mention but is completely relevant, Kormir. People kitten about her becoming a god, but like your last paragraph states, how could we go from GW1 to GW2 with the sixth god being either vague (no face, name, personality, to encompass all players), or suddenly having an NPC nobody knew thrust in to take the spot? I think both would kitten players off more then Kormir ever does.

In GW1, the players basically were part of 2 “b-teams” in a sense. Devona and the Ascalon’s Chosen guild went through nearly ALL gw1 events, but not as many people talk about them or the other henchmen. The hero from EOTN is described vaguely, but with clear indicators that the person was both powerful and did a kittenton of work.

HOWEVER, even with the player being in the “side hero” or the “Person who does a ton of work, but as time goes on slowly their NAME is forgotten, but not their deeds!”, Anet is including a lot of things directly crediting the players with actions. Talk to the two priory members near the Marionette wreckage. BOTH of them directly say you were part of the effort to bring the thing down (at least for me, and that was with a character who NEVER did the Marionette battle, my Necro did it all, and I talked to them on my guardian). Vorpp, Kasmeer, Marjory, all talk about how if YOU hadn’t helped them figure out LA was the target they’d have been unable to make the response they did, or as quickly.

They’ve done weird/abstract art before, but I do kinda agree it’d be nice for something a little more… solid? Easier to tell what it is?

The LA screen vaguely looks like it might have the drill in the back, but you can’t be sure.

Well, this is an armor a friend would like to see in PVE, same with me (and the commando armor, which is the other PVP only set IIRC, can only get the chest from a personal story mission and that’s it).

ShibVicious.9681:

The problem with Trahearne isn’t that he steals your glory. It’s that even though you know kitten well he spent 90% of his time in the missions lying face down in the dirt whilst you went around saving the day, your own characters dialogue is written to play down everything you’ve been doing and go on about what a fine job Trahearne is doing instead.
The ridiculous level of praise your own character gives Trahearne for doing practically nothing vastly out weighs the odd, “I couldn’t do it without you commander” line he throws your way. No kitten Sherlock.

And how much of this is game mechanics (akin to the “How are Scarlet’s armies still intact we’ve killed so many!”)
Most of the stuff Trahearne gets ‘praised’ for is more of the paperwork/directing side, while the commander/player does the fieldwork. (as I recall at least)

Which would you prefer, being praised for how much you’ve done but seeing Trahearne carve through enemies effortlessly while you struggle along, or you carve through enemies while Trahearne helps out? Do remember, this is a SCHOLAR who prefers to avoid combat if it can be helped personally.

Besides, I recall nothing in the dialogue of doing my human necro’s personal story that downplayed her actions as a whole. Maybe she was put down by certain bits (Like being unable to save Apatia affecting the player character directly), but otherwise, no… nothing I recall “put down the characters actions” or lessened them.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Kalavier.1097:

Part of why it has poor physical defenses. Lovely city sure, but once you are inside those four ways in, you can’t be stopped. My hope is when they rebuild it they include more defensive emplacements. Like those passageways in (groundside) have walls/manned gates. The city itself has some walls and defensive towers, etc.

Maybe contract Maeva and get a city-sized version of that forcefield for emergencies while they’re at it.

Unsure who you talk about, unless she’s the Asura who owned the house which does have a forcefield bubble around it and it completely untouched.

But, in addition to the above, a sea-wall and gate at Lion’s gate lighthouse.

Razamatazz.9628:

Warcry.1596:

Yes it is

Where is the human looking for the outhouse, and his Asuran friend with the water closet. And the Sylvari who says: More Violets less violence

The Sylvari who says more Violets less Violence is at the Vigil keep. She’s right by the dungeon gear vendors. Heard her today.

Fairly sure that’s a general Sylvari saying though…

Anyway, confirmed the Lighthouse priest of Dwayna as MIA or KIA.

You escort his daughter out of the city, and she mentions he stayed behind to try to help more people and direct them out. It’s likely he died at the lighthouse.

Ashadow.6874:

Kalavier.1097:

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

FateOmega.9601:

His wyld hunt contract says he is only responsible for zhaitan. So he brought his fleet of pact airships on a vacation tour somewhere.

Actually Treherne’s wyld hunt was to cleanse the land of orr, and it’s far from cleansed. All that corruption doesnt go away overnight.

Indeed. That’s why if they say wanted to ‘retire’ him for the next dragon campaign, it could be explained easily and REASONABLY that he is still recovering from the drain of cleansing the source of Orr, and afterward he is heading up the clearing of the Risen and the research camps (because he is a scholar after all).

Ashadow.6874:

Because no one bothers with the actual personal story:

“He and his forces eventually managed to establish a forward base at the foot of the Promenade of the Gods. Near there, at the Artesian Waters, Trahearne and his second-in-command defeated the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan and performed the Ritual of Purification to reverse the corruption therein, completing his Wyld Hunt for once and all. Casting the Ritual of Purification had weakened Trahearne, forcing him to recuperate at Fort Trinity while the Pact and Destiny’s Edge assaulted Zhaitan in the Ruined City of Arah. With Zhaitan’s defeat, Trahearne exclaimed the need to begin planning to win four more “impossible victories” over the remaining Elder Dragons."

Trahearne did his job, and left the players to do their job. (Sylvari characters’ “Wyld Hunt” is to slay Zhaitan. Trahearne never claims to do this.)

DESTINY’S EDGE tries to steal your credit. Not Trahearne. Stop qq’ing because Trahearne is amazing, and start wondering Destiny’s Edge (and Logan) takes your credit.

Only, DE doesn’t steal credit. In the end cutscene they walk out of the light behind the player, and when they stand on the shores of Orr, the player is standing with them.

However, besides that personal nitpick, I appreciate that you actually paid attention to the personal story and that Trahearne never steals credit or glory, and infact constantly states how important you are. Cookie for that!

Ah, true you are right about that. It has been a bit since I finished my story.

But yeah, that was why I never got the Trahearne hatred. Trahearne acknowledges how important you are.

Mainly it’s bandwagon hate.

As I described it ingame, “Hating a character for no good reason, twisted reasons, or simply to be in the crowd.” Aka, if I ask “Why do you hate Trahearne” and you answer “Why not”? you don’t care. If you answer with a list of reasons and I disprove half of them as twisted or entirely false, you hate him for no reason.

Trahearne and Scarlet get the worst of it because people don’t like them for some reason, but instead of thinking it through they twist everything to support their hate. As I said in a scarlet debate thread a while back “I don’t care if you love her, hate her, or are neutral. Just have your facts straight.” because I was getting fed up with seeing the same reasons of hate posted over and over, and very MINOR research and searching proved them false and twisted.

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

FateOmega.9601:

His wyld hunt contract says he is only responsible for zhaitan. So he brought his fleet of pact airships on a vacation tour somewhere.

Actually Treherne’s wyld hunt was to cleanse the land of orr, and it’s far from cleansed. All that corruption doesnt go away overnight.

Indeed. That’s why if they say wanted to ‘retire’ him for the next dragon campaign, it could be explained easily and REASONABLY that he is still recovering from the drain of cleansing the source of Orr, and afterward he is heading up the clearing of the Risen and the research camps (because he is a scholar after all).

Ashadow.6874:

Because no one bothers with the actual personal story:

“He and his forces eventually managed to establish a forward base at the foot of the Promenade of the Gods. Near there, at the Artesian Waters, Trahearne and his second-in-command defeated the Sovereign Eye of Zhaitan and performed the Ritual of Purification to reverse the corruption therein, completing his Wyld Hunt for once and all. Casting the Ritual of Purification had weakened Trahearne, forcing him to recuperate at Fort Trinity while the Pact and Destiny’s Edge assaulted Zhaitan in the Ruined City of Arah. With Zhaitan’s defeat, Trahearne exclaimed the need to begin planning to win four more “impossible victories” over the remaining Elder Dragons."

Trahearne did his job, and left the players to do their job. (Sylvari characters’ “Wyld Hunt” is to slay Zhaitan. Trahearne never claims to do this.)

DESTINY’S EDGE tries to steal your credit. Not Trahearne. Stop qq’ing because Trahearne is amazing, and start wondering Destiny’s Edge (and Logan) takes your credit.

Only, DE doesn’t steal credit. In the end cutscene they walk out of the light behind the player, and when they stand on the shores of Orr, the player is standing with them.

However, besides that personal nitpick, I appreciate that you actually paid attention to the personal story and that Trahearne never steals credit or glory, and infact constantly states how important you are. Cookie for that!

Nike.2631:

The sad thing is it would have made Scarlet look genuinely scary if Lion’s Arch had battened down the hatches, manned the walls in double shifts, and made every possible preparation… and her forces walked over them to the exact same degree we see now.

I don’t see how she doesn’t ‘look scary’ or her forces don’t look that way now. They took a city in a range from UNDER AN HOUR to within a single night (aka, a few hours).

Frankly, that’d be the result either way. Air bombardment from a group of airships (what was it, around 10?) that apparently also have megalaser style guns mounted on them? It’s going to wreck stuff.

CureForLiving.5360:

WarriorOfAsgard.3705:

Keep in mind that Magnus is an elected official, so unless there’s some sort of petition signed by a fairly large number of people, it’s unlikely that Magnus will be replaced any time soon.

Well I hope he likes being Magnus of a flaming smouldering heap, I don’t think a lot of the survivors are going to return to Lion’s Arch, the city is literally constantly under attack and under the protection of a rather incompetent lot.

I’ve heard in the books claw island is a major force to be reckoned with. And “Constantly under attack?” You mean in the span of 2 years, it was attacked… four times. Three times with minimal damage, fourth being right now (Almost forgot dragon bash). For a city that’s A: a MAJOR trade hub. B: On the coast. and C: with rather poor physical defenses, that’s a kitten good record. Only the fourth attack (a massive air one) actually ruined the city. Lionguard being incompetent? I don’t see it. I mean, they fund and protect havens all over and those are considered guarded enough to be good rest stops for travelers and merchants.

Nike.2631:

The sad thing is it would have made Scarlet look genuinely scary if Lion’s Arch had battened down the hatches, manned the walls in double shifts, and made every possible preparation… and her forces walked over them to the exact same degree we see now.

Actually yes this would have been fun. The first event would have been “Defend Lion’s Arch”, then we would have had “Evacuate Lion’s Arch”. Essentially we’d lose the first event, be doing damage control (like we’re doing now) and then we’d rise up, come back and reclaim Lions Arch with a possible Seraph army, and political intrigue in tow. Maybe a Charr army… now that would be interesting, a Charr army in Kryta… officially helping LA, but so very close to Divinity’s Reach… Actually if we assume Rox is there as a scout it makes sense.

Charr don’t give a kitten about fighting humans. Infact, the only ones they really were annoyed at was Ebonhawke, and by the time of Kralk’s emergance, it was only Iron Legion (and even then, a select few warbands as I recall) maintaining the siege. With the treaty, neither side has ANY reason to actually wage war on each other. The loss in manpower wouldn’t benefit them as then they’d have to defend two LARGE territories against a variety of enemies. Centaurs, Flame Legion, ghosts, bandits/Seraph remnants. It’s not worth it, even IF they held onto the grudges (which they show no sign of).

MAGpie.7962:

All I am hoping for is that, IF LA is rebuilt, the Lions Counsel hire ACTUAL carpenters and masons this time. That city, although novel, was… well, a shanty town made of beached ships.

Part of why it has poor physical defenses. Lovely city sure, but once you are inside those four ways in, you can’t be stopped. My hope is when they rebuild it they include more defensive emplacements. Like those passageways in (groundside) have walls/manned gates. The city itself has some walls and defensive towers, etc.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Kalavier.1097:

Two things, the Aetherblade JP in Gendarren fields is still there and manned, but the airship has left. (floating crates remain that were on it’s deck)

However, I randomly got teleported from that ‘control room’ area to Bad omen beach, where I noticed there IS an airship parked over the water. Unmarked, so it must be Pact or Lionguard.

The Airship is back in the JP. One of the recent patch updates talked about putting a missing airship back in Gendarren – I assume that was it.

It probably got accidentally removed when they put the new airship in.

Yeah, saw that in patchnotes but didn’t confirm it. Somebody said something about a “missing ledge” so I went to investigate. Was still surprised when I randomly was teleported and BAM, there’s an airship parked over that little lake near the pirates.

Do we have any counts of friendly airships in the area around LA? I know of the one at bad omen beach, the one over Vigil Keep, and apparently Kiel’s former aetherblade ship is above stormbluff isle (next time I’m in that region I’ll look). So that’s 3 that could be Lionguard dedicated airships.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Will Lucky.8703:

Aaron Ansari.1604:

And put the norn, charr, asura, sylvari, hylek, skritt, quaggan, grawl, ogre, kodan, tengu, and centaur residents under a system of government they can’t participate in. Solid plan, truly.

True, but the Krytan Government only allowed Lions Arch to remain independent so that it could act as a defense against Orr. With that threat gone the Krytan Governments reasons for allowing it to remain independent are gone.

It is kinda suspicious that the Seraph were only sent to retrieve Heal-tron, instead of providing any kind of relief.

Do note that really, those camps take place at most a day or two after the actual attack (Scarlet took the city in under an hour or within a night depending on NPC you talk to or overhear).

At this point, it’s unlikely ANY of the cites have a proper response or aid force ready. As noted, the lionguard healer thinks the two Seraph are the “first group of the aid” instead of hunting the golem,.

Roxhemar.6039:

Shouldn’t he be saving Lions Arch and stealing our glory?

Only, he never stole glory from the players in Personal Story, so why would he now?

Vol.7601:

So has anyone figured out who died? Anet said that one of the memorable characters died.

The guy at the lighthouse might have died. The Priest of Dwayna. The lighthouse escort ends with her mentioning to find her father, and in the bloodtide camp she hopes he lived, but accepts the fact he probably died trying to get more people out.

Sariel V.7024:

Anyone see the brat that was on top of the Lions statues at the top of the city?

huh?

Trying for those armor boxes seems a better choice.

Though I’ll point out the silk thread thing is a 4 hour timer, not 1 day. I made one earlier and I can make another now.

Seems like selling Damask would be best <_<.

So, I just hit 500 tailoring (woot….) and I’m maybe thinking about crafting a suit of ascended armor for my necro (main, person I do fractals with). Wondering what total cost I could see it coming out to in the end…

Also, what’s the best way to make a profit with crafting? I’d like to try to recope my gold costs thus far and perhaps make some in a way that’s not super hard.

worth it to level jewel making to 400?

Saturn.6591:

On a sidenote; does anybody know if Ellen Kiel is somewhere to be found other than during the airship-evacuation in LA (which I’ve yet to see)? I’d be curious to see her dialogue, if we’d be able to talk to her.

I’ve heard her airship is parked over Stormbluff isle.

I know of two other Airships near LA, one is at Bad Omen Beach (parked, seemed a bit out of place…), one above Vigil Keep.

No word on the Skritt couple who were near Ogdan’s hammer guy? :<.

edit: Yes, they’ve done well with the Refugees. Just go around and talk to them, so many in shock/disbelief, others mourning their lost livelyhoods and family, one in LP outright screams at a Priory novice for asking about the attack because her son died. Another Refugee I’ve found talks about how her husband/family died and she wishes they she had died with them(or considers it). Very dark, very fitting.

Narcemus.1348:

Kalavier.1097:

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Even the races that do care about Lion’s Arch aren’t doing anything. Why should the tengu?

Do note that the NPC’s state Scarlet basically took the entire city in under an hour(it ranges if anything from under an hour to under a day). If you wanted to view it say, the players arrive at the camp 1 day later, that’s hardly time for anything BEYOND setting up the camps (which the orders got set up kitten quick) and the Seraph/Queen sending the balloons to help transport between the camps.

Not to mention each race DOES have their own issues/fights in their borders, they can’t just yoink a massive army from the frontlines and send them away. ALSO the fact Norn don’t HAVE an army, so they’d have to spread out and tell various lodges/hunting camps about this new threat and hope they want to pitch in.

I actually want to note that at the camp with Emissary Vorrp, he states that the raising of the refugee camps was partially his doing. Because the player was able to help him figure out her plans, and the captain’s council were a bunch of dull witted baboons he had a hand in the creation of refugee camps to help save what lives he could.

Forgot about that. Unsure if vorpp is in the Priory because I think he mentions that camp was his doing. Either way, the orders are basically the first responders to the attack and they’ve done a kitten good job at it.