Guild Wars 2

What tittle says. Gw2 has the most kittened up targeting system I have ever seen in any mmo. How kitten up is that if you use single target meele attacks while hugging your enemy and end up hiting someone else or random mob or clone ? 90 % of time. Seriously, once i have even tried burning out heartseeker on target locked mesmer in close ranger and ended up killing all his clones, never touched mesmer.

Bacon Please.8407:

Sunflowers.1729:

Bacon Please.8407:

Ralathar.7236:

Bacon Please.8407:

He used his skills wisely just as you did. Congrats, he ran away. you won.

That is a draw just like it is with every other class, and I don’t get my prize money.

I could pull a draw on any class. Especially warrior. After hating on thief from such a long time, it is a lot harder then many other classes. I thought when I first started playing It was gonna be faceroll easy but it is the hardest class i’ve played yet, the only class i haven’t played is ranger. That being said. Some fights you just won’t win. Some fights you can’t win. if you got him down to 5% chances are he had one hit left and used his ohcrap button to escape. So yes, I would say you won.

You just picked the class with the second best escaping ability and say that every class can ‘pull a draw’.

Where’s my Engineer’s 1200 range teleport? Why can’t every class have as good an ‘oh crap’ button as stealth + Shadowstep/Infiltrator’s Arrow?

Bacon Please.8407:

The best way to beat a thief is to play a thief. This is coming from a warrior main and let me tell you, it really works.

I have a Thief. Nobody can catch me, not even another Thief. Stealth lets me literally walk away from every encounter that I don’t want to fight anymore/cannot win.

Engineers and thieves are two entirely different classes. It is like comparing candy to steak. Both can be tasty and have their appealing characteristics and neither are better then the other. I’ve seen an engineer face tank a well coordinated team of players and down two of the 5 before escaping. I Can’t say I’ve seen a thief operate that well other then a few assorted videos here on the forums and ever there it looked like the people that were being killed had no idea what they were doing.

Dude, ofc stake is better. And you know it!

Daendur.2357:

over 1M on a rabbit.

We have a winner !

When its 1 vs 2 S/D daze rotation on resser works very well, but if its more ppl you might get into trouble. Imo ressurecting speed is COMPLETALLY RIDICULOUS! Ability to ressurect completally dead players IN COMBAT even more.

Why only Soldier Trinkets in www badge+gold vendor ? When more gear was intoduced to www with reduced badge prices and added gold, only soldier trinkets were added to that merchant. Why not to add Trinkets with other stats, same as armor/weapons.

WXP… Attacking>Defending, PVE>PVP. If object is being defended just change spot, gives you more bang for your buck… (bang being wxp). I know it sux.

Vazir.5867:

Karolis.4261:

yroeht.5843:

Aisina.4963:

Another Box of Fun delivered, courtesy of me and my bunnies. Plus one very friendly BNF friend who sat with us for a while.

Lovely evening

Behold the RiOT blob, on the left of that picture:
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/73937/gw705.jpg

This was another lovely evening, fighting civilized people :-)

Aye! Blobbing since launch!

So you are the evil thief that keeps 3-shotting my poor Charr warrior

Could be

yroeht.5843:

Aisina.4963:

Another Box of Fun delivered, courtesy of me and my bunnies. Plus one very friendly BNF friend who sat with us for a while.

Lovely evening

Behold the RiOT blob, on the left of that picture:
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/73937/gw705.jpg

This was another lovely evening, fighting civilized people :-)

Aye! Blobbing since launch!

Pukknub.7368:

It’s a bit funny how people are trying to insult eachother in kind ways

Couse you may get infracted for doing it in other ways!

Aisina.4963:

Another Box of Fun delivered, courtesy of me and my bunnies. Plus one very friendly BNF friend who sat with us for a while.

Lovely evening

And after 5 min whole GH rushed into RoS border with golems and other heavy artillery :/ Im on left side of your pic, got killed and stomped while only friendly poking myself!

sorrow.2364:

I liked the old Flanking Strike, I played that set in the age where D/D backstab and heartseeker spammers were rampant and have a lot of fun with it.

The single boon removal, the dodge and the unforgiving pathing made that skill a real challange giving great results if user properly.
I needed to know where is the right position to cast it to make the skill land, I needed to know when to use it to remove the right boon because I wasn’t able to afford to spam it to remove all the boons.

I understand that some people who are used to leap skills like HS may get frustrated on Flanking Strike and then refused to use it, in fact the path adjusting is the only buff I can understand.

But they completely messed it. Right now, Flanking Strike is the new era of succesful spammers. 2-2-2-2 has become 3-3-3-3. You can easily steal ALL boons from any boon-reliant profession with no efforts at all while dealing sweet constant damage, evading and have the initiative cost split in 2 installments.
I mean, why? It’s like they want the Thief to be the hole where all the spammers, FotM abusers and baddies should be confined to.

22222 spammers were never successful.

LOL. Never thought this day will come. Thief underwatter is OP? Allmost every single class gets into watter when they see that they cant beat thief in land. Thief is completally harmless in watter.

Deamhan.9538:

Karolis.4261:

37 thief ? seriously ?
I don;t want to live in world wherelvl 80 player can lose to lvl 37 thief.

I’ve killed full 80s 1vs1 on my Thief when I was just lvl 18. Basically take your thief, replace your gear with lvl 75 masterwork, no runes or sigils, whatever upgrades that came with the trinkets already, only invest 8 trait points, and only use your first two utility skills (third tier utilities unavailable so do use any of them). Oh and no consumables (ie food).

And you will have waaaaay better stats then upleveled thief. Btw that just proves how terrible most of www community is if they die to upleveled thief.

37 thief ? seriously ?
I don;t want to live in world wherelvl 80 player can lose to lvl 37 thief.

VaaCrow.3076:

Doomdesire.9365:

BM rangers are OP as hell in spvp. Can I get a nerf for that, too?

Oh ya ranger is my other class and you’re insulted i wanted to have thief balanced, way to go buddy +1 to your intelligence! Go ahead i play trap ranger. Seriously though quit defending a broken mechanic.

You know that good trap ranger would handle your kitten rly well ?

VaaCrow.3076:

I’ve mained a thief, fili shade, for months, got near 1k hours on him/commander and all that kitten. but cmon man, ANET please, nerf us, its no fun to fight as a thief and its no fun to fight against a thief, the class takes little to no skill to play well and brings nothing but trolls to the game. I know anet wont touch the stealth mechanic because they lovee it but cmon, thief is just awful.

Dat teso release getting sooner and sooner….

You never encountered a good player of any given class, did you ? Thats very possible, cause good players are rare in casual game that requires to manage 10 buttons.

So much hate, so much anger and frustration, so little… nevermind…

Sunflowers.1729:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Sunflowers.1729:

Guardians don’t get everything in one tree. Shout cooldown and shout condition removal, both of which are extremely important, are in another tree. A popular trait build for Guardians is 0/0/30/30/10. 60 trait points devoted to survivability. Of course, Thieves can build something like 0/10/30/30/0, but it’s not particularly common. Almost any trait distribution that takes some form of survivability will put 30 (or at least 20) points into SA (Edit: into SA first. It’s extremely uncommon to put points into acrobatics before SA)

are you comparing [guardian] and [thief] ?

[guardian] = [heavy] armor + [low] health pool
[thief] = [medium] armor + [low] health pool

basically,
[guardian] = boons, support, etc
[thief] = stealth, burst, etc

you cannot compare then.
it is like trying to compare apples and oranges.

Tell that to the guy who’s been comparing them the entire thread.

Edit: And all I said was that Guardians didn’t get all their survivability traits in one tree. Do you have anything against that?

Edit:

Um.. If you think that line is OP look at the Guardian one.

30 Pts:
300 Toughness, 30% Extra Damage.

Aegis an attack when your health reaches 50%. (NO INTERNAL CD, YOU CAN HEAL/Block ANOTHER attack, or a tick can tick and you can block multiple hits if you stay around 50%!)

Cure a condition every 10 seconds.

Lots of good abilities

Altruistic Healing (WTF… Omg?!) This alone heals for more then every warriors healing abilities.

I didn’t see anyone have a problem with that earlier, so why now?

I didnt see anyone who have problem with SA tree earlier, so why now? Before this it was qq thief op qq nerf stealth qq nerf burst qq nerf mug qq nerf bs qq deletethief. Now its fewm might stacks that are op. I say qq nerf guardians because 2 of them can burst me down in 1 spin2win skill in AoE, while keeping huge amounts of survivability, even if my thief is build sturdy. But w8 I shouldnt bee there when they start spinning and that would fix my problem with them, no nerf needed ty.

noobftw.9654:

Karolis.4261:

noobftw.9654:

Inoence.6907:

IMO shadow arts is way op

• I am fairly certain that you, as a “thief” (good lie, why would you cry about your own class thakitten is OP) got owned by some thief.
• No one cares whether you think that something is op or not
• Stop qqing. Only noobs do. Owait your name is “noobftw”, i forgot.
• Deal with it! These kind of players destroy good classes because they don’t have enough skill!
• If you think that the might stacking + “big” hp-regeneration is “OP”, look at the ele…. might stacking: 3x Blast Finisher into its own Fire Field + Sigil of Battle (works on Attunement swap) = 12 Might (+30% Boon Duration from Arcana). Hp-Regeneration: not high but lots of burst heals.
• The might stacks stacking point is a joke i assume? Truly one of the most ineffective ways to achieve up to 10 stacks of might!

Geeze, learn to read will ya? When and where did I say thief is op, healing from major 30 is op? I have repeated over and over, " The current trait lineup makes SA op" as compared to DA. Since when you get 30 SA you can basically get the same burst dmg as 25 30 0 0 15 build on top of other healing, cleanse, permastealth from SA. The fact that minor 25 is triggered when you stack stealth duration as opposed to the skill description"gain 2 stacks of might when you GO INTO stealth" makes d/p thief able to abuse this trait.
I have dps-tested comparing DA build to SA build and the result is they do the same backstabbing damage, and if you disagree do yours and let the number speak will ya?
and please get REAL, might stacking is op, why do you think ANET nerfed sigil of battle for? I love to play op meta might stacking builds of engi, ele and thief but I am not afraid to say some of these builds are op ANET please nerf them so we can start seeing more interesting builds.
BTW, before calling people noob, invite me to a duel and let me know which professions you want me to duel you with, got bawlls?

So is it D/P or is it SA that is OP ? Many ppl (including me) make their builds around SA for d/d, s/d, p/d. And no you cant get same burst damage with SA. DA will burst way more. DA offers 250-300 more atk power, +5% dagger training and +10 % damage when target has condition on it versus 4-6 stacks of might in the middle of battle while using SA with x/d. I wont advocate D/P cause I do agree its kinda OP, but its not the trait fault, its easy to acess stealth stack mechanics and blind fields.

D/P is fine without the bug on SA minor 25 (the bug meaning gaining might when stacking stealth duration). The reality is thief is actually underpowered in tourny, because of stealth, we never can be good point defender ( we used to be able to with condition build but that’s long gone). The only role we can do well in tourny is burst damage. It’s funny that as thief we can’t do point stealer well either since our burst is not strong enough to duel most of point defender meta builds. The damage from SA line really doesn’t help much since whenever we stacking might in stealth we are actually losing points.The only place its good for is wvw small roaming group or solo troll.
And what I am asking for is to move this might stacking minor 25 trait to DA maybe minor 15 and restore mug to give us more burst from DA while keeping the permastealth, healing . cleanse in SA and make SA minor 25 a stat conversion trait. This way we get buffed in tourny and slightly nerfed in the meta d/p wvw troll build so we might be seeing the real burst build 25/30/0/0/15 coming back to WVW and people might start trying out different traits for Sword/Dagger build instead of the same traits from d/p.
I am sick’nTired of seeing 80% of toons during wvw trash hours are d/p thieves and peeps qqin us op basedon that while actually we quite underpowered in tourny. Fixing the SA line would be a good remedy IMO to fix that.

You are funny. Nerf SA tree to nerf D/P. IS it me or it doesnt sound right at all ? Bring back 25/30/0/0/15 aka 222222222 build ? Yea sure. Bring might on stealth for build that barelly uses stealth exept for burst in cnd mug bs hshshs combo ? Yea sure.
just confess allready that you are being facerolled by other thieves (if u even play one) and you came here to qq. Oh and there is no bug in 25 minor. It gives you might on every stealth pulse, be it shadow refuge pulse, or hs in smoke spam, not time spent in stealth or every 3s or w/e you ever said.

DanH.5879:

clueless OR this: http://dagobah.net/flash/successful_troll_2.swf
it’s the only one DECENT for pve,
gtfo out of our forum !

i would ban you all for trolling an already weak pve class

kitten, you allmost gave me heart attack with that link ! I had my sound too high :/

noobftw.9654:

Inoence.6907:

IMO shadow arts is way op

• I am fairly certain that you, as a “thief” (good lie, why would you cry about your own class that it is OP) got owned by some thief.
• No one cares whether you think that something is op or not
• Stop qqing. Only noobs do. Owait your name is “noobftw”, i forgot.
• Deal with it! These kind of players destroy good classes because they don’t have enough skill!
• If you think that the might stacking + “big” hp-regeneration is “OP”, look at the ele…. might stacking: 3x Blast Finisher into its own Fire Field + Sigil of Battle (works on Attunement swap) = 12 Might (+30% Boon Duration from Arcana). Hp-Regeneration: not high but lots of burst heals.
• The might stacks stacking point is a joke i assume? Truly one of the most ineffective ways to achieve up to 10 stacks of might!

Geeze, learn to read will ya? When and where did I say thief is op, healing from major 30 is op? I have repeated over and over, " The current trait lineup makes SA op" as compared to DA. Since when you get 30 SA you can basically get the same burst dmg as 25 30 0 0 15 build on top of other healing, cleanse, permastealth from SA. The fact that minor 25 is triggered when you stack stealth duration as opposed to the skill description"gain 2 stacks of might when you GO INTO stealth" makes d/p thief able to abuse this trait.
I have dps-tested comparing DA build to SA build and the result is they do the same backstabbing damage, and if you disagree do yours and let the number speak will ya?
and please get REAL, might stacking is op, why do you think ANET nerfed sigil of battle for? I love to play op meta might stacking builds of engi, ele and thief but I am not afraid to say some of these builds are op ANET please nerf them so we can start seeing more interesting builds.
BTW, before calling people noob, invite me to a duel and let me know which professions you want me to duel you with, got bawlls?

So is it D/P or is it SA that is OP ? Many ppl (including me) make their builds around SA for d/d, s/d, p/d. And no you cant get same burst damage with SA. DA will burst way more. DA offers 250-300 more atk power, +5% dagger training and +10 % damage when target has condition on it versus 4-6 stacks of might in the middle of battle while using SA with x/d. I wont advocate D/P cause I do agree its kinda OP, but its not the trait fault, its easy to acess stealth stack mechanics and blind fields.

McFribble.2349:

Karolis.4261:

So constant 4-6 might stacks from 25 in SA in ACTUAL COMBAT provide more damage then extra 250-300 power and 10 % extra damage passive ( when target has condition on it and it allways has) ? Made my day. I even doubt that 10 stacks is possible when chaining cnd w/o revealing yourself because in that time some stacks will simply fall off (You need 16 s to chain 5 Cnd and thats a long time. That trait gives might stacks on stealth pulse, not for time you sit in stealth).10 stacks is possible only using shadow refuge or smoke field+5 hs.
10 stacks of might = 350 extra power vs 250-300 extra power and 10% extra damage, do your math…

Literally every class in the game stacks might. The difference for Thieves being that they actually need to trait into Might to do it, since they have no skills or utilities that do it for them. So what are you crying about again?

Excuse me ? Am I crying about smth here ? OP claims that SA tree (25 minor trait that gives 2x might stacks every time you enter stealth) provides more damage then DA tree, which I prove him wrong.

Jathres.7236:

Since you are bringing it up Larva :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhxdDbirR2Y

Why didn’t you add those moments when we have wiped you? Before mesmer got changed into second ele. Sad true is that 2x eles simply bring too much aoe damage and heals for thieves to handle, even tho we are not zerkers ( at least 2 of us, dunno what gear 3d one uses). Good music though.

So constant 4-6 might stacks from 25 in SA in ACTUAL COMBAT provide more damage then extra 250-300 power and 10 % extra damage passive ( when target has condition on it and it allways has) ? Made my day. I even doubt that 10 stacks is possible when chaining cnd w/o revealing yourself because in that time some stacks will simply fall off (You need 16 s to chain 5 Cnd and thats a long time. That trait gives might stacks on stealth pulse, not for time you sit in stealth).10 stacks is possible only using shadow refuge or smoke field+5 hs.
10 stacks of might = 350 extra power vs 250-300 extra power and 10% extra damage, do your math…

What do you mean its not working for you ANYMORE. It allways worked like that.

Orr temples, some dungeons and www badges.

bobross.5034:

also p/d offers perma stealth…which is the best “bunkering” thieves have access to.

BEEEEEP. Wrong. If P/D offers perma stealth means D/D and S/D allso offers perma stealth which is false. D/P offers perma stealth through blackpowder+hs if traited right.

Lol you cried when mobs used to lose agro on stealth, now you cry couse they dont.

Sunflowers.1729:

evilapprentice.6379:

Deamhan.9538:

evilapprentice.6379:

Frosty and Frosty Law Firm.4981:

Look at all this whining. I guess all the glass cannon power thieves and permainvis thieves are going to finally be afraid of something, just like other players have been afraid of them since launch day.

The fact that those players need a “Your spec is invalid for 30s” button to win is a pretty sad commentary on WvW.

The fact that these thieves needed a “Your spec is invalid for half the fight” is a pretty sad commentary on thieves. Let’s be quite honest here. When going stealth, the player loses the thief as a target. This invalidates half their skills right there. Not having a clue where the thief could be pretty much invalidates the rest.

Your inability or unwillingness to learn to counterplay a thief is not the same as invalidation. Your skills still work, you just don’t know how to use them properly.

The fact that thieves still appear to be some mythical menace in WvW, yet in TPvP people have no issue with them is an example of the skill and experience gap between the 2 game types.

Don’t bring everyone down to your level, aspire to rise to theirs.

This is probably the 10th time that I’ve said this – do not compare WvW to sPvP (or tPvP).

-Crit damage is capped
-Damage (in general) is less
-Stealth stops point capping. This is enormous
-Running away serves no purpose in sPvP. In WvW it stops a very long walk back and you can go do other things like kill dolyaks. In PvP if you run away then you just lose the point.

It doesn’t have anything to do with the relative ‘skill levels’. If you want to talk about ‘skill levels’ didn’t the recent SOAC tournament conclude with the 5-Thief team winning?

Seriously, stop bringing up this argument. It’s completely un-related. (And by this point I’ve all but given up hope that this forum knows what ‘balance’ is. Seems like Anet does though, somewhat).

Stealth also stops point capping in www. Which is also enormous btw. In the end WWW is same as Spvp – capping points, just in bigger map with more points to cap and more ppl.

Deathspike.1870:

To everyone continuously saying non-stealth builds are viable, please share them! I have tried building one that doesn’t rely on stealth and I get absolutely nowhere, so I went for a Ranger instead (lol). Please, share.

Full PVT S/D and Shortbow 10/0/0/30/30. Mug for that op heal, vigor on heal, cripple/chilled remove on dodge, pain response or healing on initiative spent w/e, dodgetrops, initiative on heal, thrill of the crime or bontiful theft. Withdraw for heal. As for utilities – shadowstep, signet of shadows, maybe signet of agility for extra condition cleaning. Tactics would be 3333333333 and repeat. Oh and unbind cloak and dagger because we dont want to use stealth with no stealth build by accident do we ? As for elite – thieves guild… because… You rly expect to do damage with no stealth build while using full pvt gear that lets you come to survivability of full berserk warrior? Seriously?

Ralathar.7236:

Well, if nothing else the thief community might learn the ways to play thief that do not rely on stealth, and I don’t just mean flanking strike spam lol.

Then u mean death blossom spam ? Couse there are no other ways.

Today I also used stealth trap on other thief… That was done in ruins of surmia border (my home border) near redwatter camp by a full cultural t3 female thief in black. If you read this, I’m sry but i couldn’t ressist

Korsbaek.9803:

now that the traps are in the thiefs needs to use something else then pure zerker gear as they cant survive if they cant get stealth but hey welcome to all othere classes that cant do that

you now need to use thoughness and/or vitalety to survive like everybody else

Most of thieves run both.

Samoleth.5012:

JUN YANG.4328:

how possible to be a thief survive in WvW without stealth

Blinds and evades.
Since i balanced my thief gear around some precise stats, changed the way i play and focused on something else than OMG backstabz!!!!111!!1 i can stay in stealth or without stealth with no consequences.
Drop a trap for 1v1? No problems, i can stay in the 1v1 fight as long as i want to, and in the end it’s always the enemy to flee.
I’m much, much, much worried about the other trap.
3 in a row, claculate the right distance between each of them, place those traps at certain points and you can steal all the supplies.

(3 is just a number, didn’t test anything, maybe it will require more, maybe less)

When revealed thief gets blinds only with D/P, the most stealth heavy weapon set in game. So u saying that every thief should run d/p or s/d evade spam just to have a chance to stay in fight instead running like a kitten for 30s? Oh right, after last update 90% of thief community runs D/P and S/D troll dedicated builds with perma stealth from black powder/hs combos and infiltrators strike abuse which actually didnt change at all, but somehow became new meta after flanking strike buff ( yea me too dont see any logics in that).

LightningBlaze.4913:

More likely this is because most thieves overuse the constant stealth mechanic in wvw.

Overuse ? How can you overuse the only viable skill in X/D weaponsets ?or D/P ( however i do agree that d/p is op)
D/D Its is Cnd/Backstab/AA. Dancingdagger is highly situational. Heartseeker is a gap closer. Death blossom – u must be kidding me.
S/D It still is a CnD/tactical strike/AA. Infiltrators strike is a gap closer/antistun/condition cleaner and can put some confusion, but its only a troll tool if used much since it cuts out your damage if u jump all over the place. Flanking strike strike is still crap, ofc after it was buffed and announced as a viable skill every thief i see in www runs s/d and spams 333333333 till they are out of initiative ( 222222222 anyone ? ). Dancing dagger again very situational.
P/D Cnd/Sneak attack/few vital shots/insert dodge where needed repeat. Body Shot – plz… Shadow strike – highly situational, might work if stun break is on cooldown and u are pinned down, but its 4 initiative less to acess stealth and use only ability that actually does some damage – sneak attack. Dancing dagger as on every X/D weapon set is highly situational.
So yes CnD and stealth is bread and butter of X/D builds and if you dont “overuse it” you are doing it wrong.

Deniara Devious.3948:

Just like some of the previous posters have said: anti-stealth traps are not gonna be a problem for the roaming thief. Too expensive, requires 10 supplies and the cost is just way too high.

The anti-supply trap is another thing. Just look at this new VotF video showing a thief own the enemy teams in WvWvW and denying them supply over and over again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv4P-kTBzE0

Now imagine somebody providing that thief stability or thief providing stealth for his ally full bunker guardian. Enemy teams won’t have any supplies. Gg, and another epic fail from Arenanet.

So in other words: this latest patch gave more power to thieves since they have the best access to stealth. So just relax and you can continue to play Thief Wars 2.

Finally I see something good in these traps

Its not Travanes build…

Dat skill clicking.

Aveneo.2068:

TooBz.3065:

Aveneo.2068:

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

The thief isn’t the center of the universe.

What’s your basis … other than to be contrary.

I say this was made to stop a thief from being able to harass through repeated use of c&d.

Which is ok. But 30 seconds??? That’s insane.

My basis is the fact that thieves believe they own copyrights on anything related to stealth. I just throw some cold water in their faces and tell them to wake up.

Remember that this trap requires supply and 4s to be placed. So it’s not something you drop at your feet on a whim just because a thief starts to c&d all over the place.

*Trust me, I don’t need traps to deal with thieves. *

So to me this change simply serves as a deterrent against the zerg mentality where everyone just blindly rushes into a keep with Mesmer’s slamming down Veil in front.

W8 so thief isnt op ?

Aveneo.2068:

PearlGore.7419:

Aveneo.2068:

Oh, come on! Some of you guys really think you’re the center of the universe… Newsflash: the world doesn’t revolve around the thief.

This new trap’s main purpose is to stop the Veil-zerg; nothing more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Veil

Shortsighted much? Ranger cat pets? Thieves? It effects many things.

I said main purpose. L2read.

Noone cares about the purpose. Its the actual impact effect that matters. And it WILL be abused in fights vs thiefs.

With current stealth mechanics (3-4 seconds and getting damage , cc ) you stay mobile, or you die. So " It puts more skill into the stealth mechanic – stay still and nobody can see you" – no.
IMO just delete thief as a class. Will make all the qqers happy. Then will come mesmers turn couse omg its 5 of them and i have no idea which one is real ! Seriously… Then delete everything till you leave only warriors. On the other hand… 100b combined with immobilise is op too right? right ?!

presicion is not so good without good amount of power and crit damage, so presicion and condition damage doesnt work well together. Btw biggest part of that comes from gear, not from your traits.

You are right about survival part. And about damage … Since when do we have dps meters in this game? No, zerker warriors do more damage then any build thief would do. Specially D/p… FYI D/D with its CnD/backstab/aa chain rotation does more damage then d/p.

Dina Van Heyr.3018:

removing mug critical hit still makes thiefs in www too strong as due to www environment they can stay perma invisible and cloak delay from 4 to3 second was a mistake as it actualy make fight against them results in certain death as well with ability to finish in stealth
conditions removal and healing in stealth with ability go to stealth and hit from stealth without any penalizations as they can cloak within second with heavy dmg makes them extremely hard to kill even with several experienced players as they can fully regenerate in few seconds because stealth remove agression from them

That “they can fully regenerate in few seconds because stealth remove agression from them” made my day.

Mathias.9657:

Lol. I’m glad I couldn’t give 2 kitten kats about WvZerg.

Becoming more like WoW every update. Stealth can now be detected, what’s next.. we take damage and it reveals us?

Lol wow rogue is so much better then gw2 thief. Doesnt even matter that it has at most 2x in combat stealth under cooldown or gets kicked out form stealth with aoes.

Stop fooling yourself. P/D does not work in the zerg. In the zerg you need that damage and/or aoe. P/D have none of that. Its great in small fights against non tanky players with little condi removal. IF built right its is very very durable build via stealth,blinds, condi removal, dodges, close to perma vigor and freedom to open up from range and any direction you chose.

Protip: Your bullets are projectiles, do not shoot at daggerstorming thief:) . And make a set of keybinds. Not hating, just want to help improve.

Ekemeister.8905:

I think we should do stealth the way stealth is done in almost all other mmo’s. Thief enters stealth and stays in stealth indefinitely until he attacks, is attacked, or performs an un-clandestine action. If a skill gives a thief limited time of cloaking, the thief cannot be removed from stealth unless he attacks and after cloaking period, stealth behaves normally. Also thieves now have a 600 range sapping skill (15 sec stun PvP, 60 sec stun PvE and WvW), which can only be used from stealth. We should just do this and stop this more op-version of GW2 stealth.
Better yet, my suggestion for fixing stealth is to do it the DnD way with different states of stealth such as cloaked and concealed.

edit: this is a sarcastic hyperbole offering a counter-argument to the claim GW2 stealth is overpowered.

Oh oh I know even better ! Lets import WoW Rogue with all his skills and utilities! Taking into account that there is no pvp deffence ( aka resilence) in gw2 and hp limit is between 10-30 k we thieves would 2 hit allmost anyone ! Oh and for best part – vanish that gives complete invulnurability for few seconds to complete that stomp ! Ambush Eviscerate, Ambush Eviscerate !

Dasorine.1964:

I think when my character dies everyone on the server should die too!

THIS THIS THIS !