Guild Wars 2

Thieves man … they did it to you.

Oh my, you all are so smart and full of ideas Have you allready filled up job aplication to Anet ?

Well its sure hard to backstab asura sometimes…

Daendur.2357:

Karolis.4261:

Daendur.2357:

again … c&d is c&d … steal is steal … 2 different abilities, 2 resource pools (1 time – 1 initiative)
having stealth on steal is better than have to c&d before steal

And again having Infusion of Shadow or Cloaked in Shadow outweights the benefit of ini free stealth via steal. Not to mention that it gives only 2 s of stealth, vs 4

why a cost of 4 ini would be better than 0 ?
Cloaked in Shadow could be a good trait but in my opinion a free stealth is better than a blind.
Also the c&d+steal combo on a target running towards you will fail 99% of the times

Becouse you will get that CnD cost 4 ini all the rime, every other stealth skill u use will give you 2 ini from air and blind on stealth is simply huge. Compare it to ini free 2 second stealth every 45 second and you have the answer. And CnD+steal very rarelly fails even when oponent is running towards you. If hes charging at you, doesnt mean you should do the same while casting CnD.

That would be completally …well… plain stupid. Give a thief ability to disguise enemy player then, which wouldbe way more related to actual gameplay not server hoping. But that would just make ppl qq even more.

ZLE.8293:

Last Refuge+Dagger Storm=100% dead Thief

I noticed it even with blinding powder ( active). Many times if i try to use blinding powder after i just finished dagger storm i get revealed instantly.

Daendur.2357:

again … c&d is c&d … steal is steal … 2 different abilities, 2 resource pools (1 time – 1 initiative)
having stealth on steal is better than have to c&d before steal

And again having Infusion of Shadow or Cloaked in Shadow outweights the benefit of ini free stealth via steal. Not to mention that it gives only 2 s of stealth, vs 4

It happens everywhere. You are actually stealthed but you dont see the animation. That fks me up a lot … CnD in this situation again and you revealed..

(Beware: troll post)
What are you talking guys ? Dont you read the forums ? Heartseeker is OP! You can actually kill someone by spaming heartseeker from 100% hp to 0! And even after that you have 6 initiative left to cnd , stealth cap and escape !

Columba.9730:

So 6k attacks and perma stealth are possible. So if an enemy has 18k health, they can die without ever seeing their enemy? Weren’t we told that this was impossible?

No its not possible, figure it out. Well since im sure that you wont i will tell you what was told many times. Each time you attack from stealth you get revealed debuff which doesnt allow you to stealth for 3 seconds Yes you can maintain perma stealth with d/p while not doing damage at all and investing in othervise useless traits as initiative every 10 s and faster initiative regen in stealth.

Remove the cooldown, make qq’ers qq.

Hidden thief is useless trait. End of story.

Yea I would like to see Tier3 cultural human female thiefs there … anyone has 100g to donate ???

The world that you all should be looking at is invulnurable SPOT, not AREA. It is down the hill and it is very small with no way to actual invulnurable area becouse that is up the hill. Meaning that is not intended. Oh and now that you have posted it, more ppl will know about it and abuse it.

Today I have been fighting 2 ppl that actually ( I found that out when i was dead allready) was 30 man zerg. And those 28 werent thieves o,o. And why does everybody asume that every thief “3 shoot ppl in under a second”? Well I dont and I play D/D backstab thief. Must be doing smth wrong. Next time I see someone spaming Heartseeker on my full HP I will ask.

Tynan.6279:

Animi.4617:

I’m not defending the thief because they have culling and yes they usually just pressing the first skill, but the 90% of players don’t think about remowing conditions. If you rewome conditions from yourself, then these kind of thiefs can’t do anything at all with you and after a while they will probably put down that house skill and run away like a little b…. Oh and if you also blow back the thiefs from the house skill (I just don’t know it’s name) they will come back from stealth instantly. And there is stun and imobilize too.

<This couldn’t be more wrong in regards to the condition removal!

The P/D Thief’s bleed only lasts 2-3 sec, so if you remove it he will reapply within seconds. Their stacks are constantly falling off and wouldn’t really make a difference if you removed them, I see people do it all the time to me and doesn’t help them a bit.

The house skill is called Shadow Refuge, and if you blow me out of it which happens all the time I will just use one of my other 3 stealths. Being a P/D Thief myself I completely understand everyone’s complaint, but I just love when people offer up incorrect info specially when they come off as all mighty knowing!

I have 4 lvl 80 Char’s and have been loving playing the Ele, much more complicated and dynamic to play. With great skill it is by far the most ridiculous class to deal with when played right.

Well actually, mister “allmighty knowing”, pistol bleed lasts 4 seconds as default and can be increased up to 8 seconds via sigils/runes/traits/food, which is done by most of thiefs to help bleed stack to higher levels.

Lightsbane.9012:

genuine tip OP:
if you want to make a video showing off your skills-
do not make a warrior or thief video. i mean you weren’t even using the 3 skill..
if i ran into you in it, you would’ve done so little damage that i would’ve just given up, and i’m an engineer.

You lost me somwhere. Why would he want to use nr 3 skill ?

Well if im not mistaken they even increased downed health so its even faster to ress downed ppl.

JakobGW.5730:

In my opinion, this video shows two things:

1. How easy it is to play a thief;
2. How so many skilless players play thieves.

Number 1 is directed to the OP and Number 2 is directed at the thieves that were killed in the video. Obviously, the play style of the OP is just 1 1 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 1 5. This type of play style is extremely easy as has been made abuntantly clear in the above posts. However, a thief should never, ever, ever die to a p/d thief. EVER. Thieves have the best condition removal in the game and when I see a thief die to a p/d thief it makes me cringe. It takes 10 points in the shadow tree to never die to p/d thieves (or any condition-based players for that matter) and the thieves in this video don’t even have the knowledge to spec it.

Hell, the poster doesn’t even put any other condition on any of his targets other than bleeding – talk about easy cleansing.

Yes it is easy to play p/d thief, actually easier then meele thief since your main damage skill doesnt require you to be in meele range,what can put you in harms way, only time u must get in meele is for CnD, but u can trick enemy with well placed evades there. Speaking with condition removal, none of those cookie cutter glass canon builds have it since they all go for 25/30/0/0/15, becouse they just copy/paste it from forums. That makes them easy kill for p/d condi thiefs. Actually it makes them easy kill for any other bunker thief in 1×1, including other NON GLASS backstab spec but thats off topic lol.

Dirtrot.2471:

Ya quiting my theif and rolling a ranger. My main is a thief with sb only both burst and cond builds even with toughness and get rolled 1v1 always to these theives I’ved tried setting traps blinding powder just as getting hit dodging with call trops ect. cant do nothing not even fun playing. So ill try a ranger for a bit before i find another game or at least till they fix this ezmode bull kitten.

Got rolled by p/d thief by being a thief yourself ? check your traits once again, you have condition remove every 3 seconds on stealth. Now how p/d thief that does only condition damage can kill you? No idea …

Thobek.1730:

Karolis.4261:

Thobek.1730:

yeah no offense but watching a thief in WvW isn’t that interesting tbh. We all know of the insane damage that do with the crazy amount of stealth, that mixed with the culling. Its like playing pvp with training wheels on.

make a video of another one of your toons, if you have one.

Shiow me wheres that “insane damage” at. Good that u didnt call it burst lol.

I noticed after clicking on your name and reading all your past posts you’re a huge fan of defending thieves. Not that I’m surprised.

playing a roaming thief in WvW is easy mode, how anyone can deny it is beyond me. but sure keep defending them if you like.

I aint defending it. Im aware that playing p/d thief is 2
button ( 1 and 5 ) spam with ocational + utilities ( in defence of this i might say that other classes use 3 more skills which are all on cooldown and therefore they are using same button mash imput/s or even less then p/d thief does, does it make the class more dificult to play ? no. Now lets take your all hated D/D thief ( i will not speak of glass cannons mashing nr2, couse i find it lame and ineffective. D/D backstab thief uses all but 1 skill ( 3 – deathblossom), must be allways aware of his and his enemies position, becouse his main damage skill requires it and hes squishy as kitten. Im running full valkyrie with 20+k hp in www and im still squishier then any other class. Now how easier is that to manage compared to warrior for example ?Its not. This game is about movement, not about how skilfully you use your 5 ( omg so many buttons!) attack skills.) I just told u obvious fact that p/d thief is doing very low damage compared to ANY other class, any other build, nothing else.

Thobek.1730:

yeah no offense but watching a thief in WvW isn’t that interesting tbh. We all know of the insane damage that do with the crazy amount of stealth, that mixed with the culling. Its like playing pvp with training wheels on.

make a video of another one of your toons, if you have one.

Shiow me wheres that “insane damage” at. Good that u didnt call it burst lol.

Azure Prower.8701:

Can’t seem to best good condition P/D thieves no matter what I do lately.

At the moment I’m running a D/P (Some times switch to S/P) and SB for WvW.

Tried multiple load outs against a single P/D thief and he’d always be bursting me down with conditions. Using cloak and dagger to his advantage against near by mobs and such.

Tried staying at a distance and using smoke screen. Didn’t seem to be blocking his shots at all.

Tried going full offensive with S/P using devourer venom to immobilize him. But he was shadow stepping and CnD’ing all over the place and applying damage faster than my shadow return could cleanse.

Tried to blind tank him with D/P and play a little cat and mouse in and out of stealth. But of course he had the advantage of a channeled skill that hits me while stealthed.

Can’t seem to beat P/D thieves. Is the only counter to a condition P/D thief another condition P/D thief?

Shadow arts + condition remove on stealth. Then its all mind games …

Thief burst class ? since when ? Let me remind you that there are many thief builds that dont relly on burst. Thief is stealth ( not burst ) class. Remove/change stealth ? Might as well delete thief class alltogether then and give warrior thief weapon sets. And then you will see how long warrior with their plater armor and health pool + thief weapon sets ( and initiative system) will live in any encounter. He wont.

Excuse me is this a disguised “NURF THEIF” thread by any chance ?

urdriel.8496:

Karolis.4261:

urdriel.8496:

PopeUrban.2578:

5

wait…wait…wait…

5

wait…wait…wait…

5

wait…wait…wait…

5

Practice that pattern in your head.

now, replace 5 with whatever skill you use to deal with melee attackers.

when you take a C&D…

wait…wait…wait…

repulse/block/smash

This is how you effectively deal with a permastealth troll. If you’re getting killed by these people be sad, since the nerf C&D does absolutely pathetic damage if used as the only damage source.

You can hit for 6k with a CnD…

If u full glasscannon with 11.5k hp, assasins signet and might on signet use then yea… but in this case u have nothing to do out of stealth, becouse you will get killed in 2 hits. Well u will get killed in 2 hits no matter u stealthed or not.

Basilisk+mug+CnD+backstab+HS

simple combo to kill a player, 1,5 sec.

you can use Shadow refugee,blind powder, etc… to scape.

A thief is OP because , altought is a Glass Cannon he can leave the combat always.

Not when ppl around you is aware that you have killed their mate and you are probablly stomping him. And w8ing for cooldowns to get a kill and have a slight chance to get out alive is not fun at all. If you even manage to get out alive after all that blind weapon swinging around you… you probablly gonna die from conditions if u didnt have hide in shadows ready. GC is highly dependant on cooldowns … I dont play glass cannon, but I have tried it. Asexample i will tell you my encounter with tanky shield warrior. After I landed perfect basilisk CnD mug bs bla bla bla combo I got downed by 9k eviscerate + 2 auto attacks. So yea GC thief is OP. 25/30/0/0/15 is the staple build for GC right ? + full zerker gear. So you cant roam around battlefield spaming CnD on random ppl looking for a kill becouse you will get initiative starved in few CnDs. Even if u take 10 in shadow arts you are still to squishy/have no means to remove conditions to do that. You cant face bunkers becouse your combo wont kill them, but afterwards they will kill you if u dont escape fast enough. You can kill other glass cannons with your perfectly executed combo, but in time those glass cannons will reroll for balanced/bunker build and your killing days will be over.

I think someone was killed by thief in here

Daendur.2357:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

There is also a trait in trickery that if more than 10% of HP is taken in a single strike, feathers are used to blind the opponent and then stealth. Can only happen once per minute.

and Last Refuge (auto stealth at 25% health)

Which needs to be removed.

ASP.8093:

Caelib.2497:

Right now glass cannon builds can down any play in 2 – 3 seconds and have virtually gauranteed finish because they can’t be targeted during a finish with Shadow Sanctuary.

They’d finish you anyway, thanks to Signet of Shadows.

So what if they will finish you ? but afterwards GC thief will die from conditions, aoe , stray arrow/bullet or will hit a tree with his head while running and die. He has 12k hp for god sake… And btw stomping someone you downed in middle of zerg is easier on paper then it is in reality after they raised downed health %.

Wise.8025:

I would like to see an adjustment to the way Heartseeker works. The damage is fine, but the mechanics behind it are far too easily spammed for amazing results. Sure there needs to be something that allows new players to feels they have something powerful when playing a thief, but how about we get rid of the heatseeking super long range aspect of heartseeker.

I have several times blinked away from a heartseeker spamming thief only to have them fly to my location since they were in mid-air when I blinked allowing them to travel a range of 900 and still successfully hit me. Restrict the range it allows the thief to move, somebody dodge rolling away should successfully be out of range of a heartseeker spammer. The thief should then have to move into position again to continue their spamming.

I really like the stealth mechanics in mmo games, but it’s always the same issue in PvP. People feels it’s unfair that the class with the highest and fastest burst potential is able to remain out of sight. Now in GW2 it’s out of sight for an entire fight while still dealing damage. You may argue that thief doesn’t stay in stealth for a whole fight because it’s impossible, but when you see first hand a thief kill not 1 but 2 people before giving off that little black cloak flash to reappear you know something isn’t working as intended. It could be lag? Sure but if it’s lag and they just haven’t completely rendered on my screen why can I still not tab target them? I do not have a solution for fixing stealth other than to suggest that they not be able to use skills while stealthed and have it not break stealth and if I don’t have a target and a thief attacks me from stealth I want them to be auto targeted.

No idea what am I doing wrong then, but I sucesfully land ~ 50 % of my heartseekers only to moving targets that do not evade. And I use it as gap closer, not as damaging skill. maybe i should push the button differently, maybe its the ammount of pressure applied to the button… ? dunno … No rly…

Leuca.5732:

Pretty much the only thing I would “nerf” on thieves is the stealth spam accessibility vs reward for stealthing vs punishment for bad stealth usage. For instance, how Cloak and Dagger rewards the thief with stealth and aoe blind (if traited) even if you are blocked. This does not encourage the thief to pay attention to enemy boons, or whether the person they are attacking is channeling a block skill, which nullifies most applied damage and blinds since they must actually hit in order to apply. A thief can launch multiple stealth attacks without breaking stealth if he hits a blocking foe, allowing him to spam powerful effects without punishment until his stealth wears off or he lands a hit. Aside from this I don’t have much of a problem with thieves being OP, except for Shortbow.

CnD will not put you in stealth if it gets blocked.

urdriel.8496:

PopeUrban.2578:

5

wait…wait…wait…

5

wait…wait…wait…

5

wait…wait…wait…

5

Practice that pattern in your head.

now, replace 5 with whatever skill you use to deal with melee attackers.

when you take a C&D…

wait…wait…wait…

repulse/block/smash

This is how you effectively deal with a permastealth troll. If you’re getting killed by these people be sad, since the nerf C&D does absolutely pathetic damage if used as the only damage source.

You can hit for 6k with a CnD…

If u full glasscannon with 11.5k hp, assasins signet and might on signet use then yea… but in this case u have nothing to do out of stealth, becouse you will get killed in 2 hits. Well u will get killed in 2 hits no matter u stealthed or not.

urdriel.8496:

Karolis.4261:

urdriel.8496:

yes, Culling(unknown) kill you, wellcome to WvWvW xDD

Culling has nothing to do with it. IF you time Cnd right, start casting it in stealth, but hit same second u leave stealth you are barelly noticed.

it is funny to read you, sometimes a thief8or a mesmer) can hit you like 4-5 times and you will sea a nice UNKNOWN HIT YOU FOR X.

The log is in Spanish:

Desconocido = Unknown
Frenesi Borroso = Blurred Frenzy
Ruina Mental = Mind Wrack

it is funny to fight against the wind…..

The more funny thing is that today i was stabing some guy in my nerdbloodlust state that usually gets me killed when i realised that im actually in a middle of enemy zerg, that was INVISIBLE for me. And then the wind suddenly start blowing. But w/e its only thiefs that benefit from culling.

Xenth.2408:

I don’t like cannon style feeds but I’ve considered it lately. I’ve considered going bleed build with p/p (and shortbow as secondary for multi-targets) using rampager armor and earth sigils on both pistols.

auto attack from stealth with pistol already stacks decent bleed, followed up with an unload with high crit chance is a lot more bleed stacks. Using food that gives 66% chance to lifesteal on crit and bonus precision helps offset the glass factor quite a bit too.

Just one problem cowboy Unload does not stack bleeds. P/P is nota a viable condition weapon choise. P/D and D/D is.

urdriel.8496:

yes, Culling(unknown) kill you, wellcome to WvWvW xDD

Culling has nothing to do with it. IF you time Cnd right, start casting it in stealth, but hit same second u leave stealth you are barelly noticed.

Yesterday I did same with some guy on an active catapult besides the zerg asaulting tower. Some ppl get so excited when using siege equipment they dont see whats going on with their HP. Just wanted to share my opness with you all, cya.

XZERO.3014:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

Hello! this will answer your question. Also to all thieves who say “its cause thieves destroy noobs” i gotta tip for you, if you cant 2 shot people with heart seeker, remember you press 5 so you can flee for combo points.

You realize this was before the nerf right ? And its hard to press 5 when fighting player that is aware of what is 5 and what does it do. And how does this video shows thiefs OPness ? finishing outmaned ppl with <50 % hp while runing with a zerg? yea zergs OP, nurf zergs!

So i decided to try out meele (D/D) thief. Tried glass cannon, its fun to blow ppl in 2 secdonds, but i find it not fun at all when u can actually get blown back by downed skills while having 11-12 k hp and no toughness at all, or die from conditions while fleeing after you stomped someone. So I decided to take more balanced aproach. At the moment Im running full berserker armor set with valkyrie orbs in it, full valkyrie accessories with beryl jewels and berserker daggers (one has superior sigil of air on it, other one is blank, cant decide what to use). Build is 0/30/30/10 with side strike, critical haste, hiden killer; cloaked in shadow, infusion of shadow and shadows rejuvenation but i think thats pretty much default for non glass backstab thief. That took away 20 % crit chance from full berserker type build (I have 35 % atm,), but added me 5 k+ hp I was wondering about thiefs that run similiar build, what gear do u chose? do u go full valkyrie with no crit at all ? do u mix it with berserkers ? how much crit do u have out of stealth ? and what sigils do you use ?

You can kick thief out from shadow refuge circle. Latelly it happens more and more as ppl are geting better.

oZii.2864:

Karolis.4261:

Okay i will tell you the example of so called thief OPness. Create full exotic condition thief. Find a group of ppl. Use Shadow refuge, aproach those ppl and spray caltrops all over the place then leave. In 15 s some bags of drop will drop behind that tree where you stand and giggle. What hapens is most of them wont even notice that its a huge pile of caltrops on the ground and they are standing in the middle of it, circling around trying to understand who the hell is attacking them, might as well start swinging their swords and aoe the place they stand in trying to find that invisible vilain.

This example is an example of players not undersanding the big red circle under their feet. The fact that they die from 10 stacks of bleed with out healing, and have no condi removal.

Might as well used an example of the golem in the mist not attacking back. Nothing op in your example.

OFC there is nothing OP here. Its the players stupidity and lack of awarnes of whats going on. Like in any other situation. And there is no big red circle under caltrops.

Okay i will tell you the example of so called thief OPness. Create full exotic condition thief. Find a group of ppl. Use Shadow refuge, aproach those ppl and spray caltrops all over the place then leave. In 15 s some bags of drop will drop behind that tree where you stand and giggle. What hapens is most of them wont even notice that its a huge pile of caltrops on the ground and they are standing in the middle of it, circling around trying to understand who the hell is attacking them, might as well start swinging their swords and aoe the place they stand in trying to find that invisible vilain.

I think you all should sign up for job in Anet, you all are so full of bright ideas.

Ubique.1876:

Karolis.4261:

Bah, just kill them all, u cant miss that way !

Seriously. Just swap to Shortbow and Cluster Bomb, forget using finisher.

Geting stuck with shortbow for 10 s while fighting a mesmer is not a good idea

Gankfest.4965:

No wonder people quit. They don’t have any in-game gold left to continue playing :P

If you run out of gold from repairs you’re doing it wrong…

I do agree that fixing the problem from the little QQer’s about disconnecting was pretty stupid. There is so many other issues more important then some noob losing his/her loot. I play a lot of classes and get mad loot all the time with varieties of gear. If people were actually good they would get so much loots like me, and not really care about the few lost bags. In reality not a lot of people were disconnecting to not get killed. It was probably less than 5% if not less.

But, when the kiddies cry… kitten gets fixed! :P

Get on my level Anet!

What ? this probablly was done in favour to pve kittens that loves loging off in combat to survive mobs ( yea ….). So now u get penalty for loging off in combat in www instead of not being able to do that at all. No other game I played allowed loging off in combat at all . OFc u could alt+f4 in every game, but then u still stay conected for 10 s or so so that your kitten can get stomped.

Oh I love killing you kittens in JP, you dont even ressist just try to continue jumping puzzle with reduced speed from combat or even crippled lol. I might aswell do full glass cannon build w/o any stealth utilities just to kill faster since I dont rly need it when noone is trying to defend themselves with their bot-like behaviour.

What he said.
But when it comes to fighting vs 2 mesmers that is madness … just too many clones

Bah, just kill them all, u cant miss that way !

yea the speed cap is probablly the reason, , couse when I use signet of shadows i can barelly feel that speed increase, its clearly visible only w/o signet, but even w/o it and in combat where speed is slower, I dont feel that speed increase when using signet of shadows ( speed increasing effects doesnt stack i think), so thats rly not 50 % …

well the bigest issue is its cooldown, u cant expect us to count those 90 seconds just to be sureif it will kick in or it wont. If it would have no cooldown at all we would learn to live with it and hold on with that CnD or whatever stealth ability we might use at that time, though no cooldown on auto stealth skill might sound OP for qqers. I would be happy if it would be replaced with any other selectable trait from shadow arts tree ( exept power shots couse its a joke, it has no place in this tree and it has to go)

Oh and … you should check your pockets while you posting new “got killed by invisible nemesis” thread.