Guild Wars 2

Kyrion.2749:

Here, Anet, I will help you:

General

• Stealth: The duration of Revealed has been increased to 4 seconds when coming out of stealth via an attack against human players or their pets/summons. It still remains at 3 seconds when coming out from attacking NPCs.

TAH DAH!!!!!

LOL FAKE !

Loged in … confirming buged hidden killer. Allso 4 s revealed is just broken, i would go with revealed after stealth fades off vs 4 second reveal anyday …

Maladon.5760:

Okamakiri.8746:

JonPeters.5630:

As we played with the stealth changed mentioned in the SotG, we recognized that in conjunction with the change to culling this was an unpredictable change to make. We also felt that it was too big of a hit to these stealth professions, so we ended up pulling that change in favor of just increasing revealed duration by 1 second.

Congratulations on completely destroying the PVE D/D rotation. I can tell this game doesn’t give two kittens about PVE, and PVP is the only priority.

What rotation are you talking about?

Cnd/backstab/Auto attack chain and repeat

Maladon.5760:

You should be using Executioner anyway

Noup. Not all thieves run full zerker with instagib 25/30/0/0/15 build. Shocker… I know…

It did work 100 % of the time before patch. It just never worked with stealth stacking. For example backstab out of shadow refuge or from any other kind of stacked stealth, if more then 3 seconds have passed ( or 4, im not sure if hiden killer trait is affected by SA trait that increases stealth time, becouse i did see it fail when backstabing last second, just before stealth wears off) will not be guaranteed crit. I havent loged in yet, but for some reason I think that you all are full of crap, like claiming that hidden killer didnt work before patch.

EvilSardine.9635:

JonPeters.5630:

As we played with the stealth changed mentioned in the SotG, we recognized that in conjunction with the change to culling this was an unpredictable change to make. We also felt that it was too big of a hit to these stealth professions, so we ended up pulling that change in favor of just increasing revealed duration by 1 second.

Seriously? So thieves and endlessly cloak and dagger players like they do currently? A thief appearing for a quarter a second just to cloak and dagger again is stupid.

Why isn’t this issue with Cloak and Dagger being dealt with?

Are you that person that i can walk to and CnD every 3.5 s untill you die ?
Oh and about the increased reveal time , I hate you anet, now I will fail so much when counting revealed debuff time!

Adaneshade.2409:

Ballads.2509:

Daecollo.9578:

Karolis.4261:

Laika.8795:

awgardner.9634:

Define badly please ?

Is it a Thief that hits the easy button ?
Is it a Thief that utilizes his tools and functions to facilitate victory ?

Badly is someone who relies on stealth as a crutch, rather than a tool. Obviously you play P/D, so I guess someone a lot like you.

lol.

Hater alert. Hater alert. Hey gues what, I play D/D with 30 in Shadow arts. I use stealth as often as possible and time to time I even chain CnD to regen some more hp and/or relocate, aswell to add some burst to that backstab that I will use to open up on target.
Plz hate me

Every trait you have got nerfed by 25%, so did your damage and survivability.

33%

What if he’s running a venom sharing build? :-P

Lies, I run blind, heal, ini restore on stealth build !

Ballads.2509:

Daecollo.9578:

Karolis.4261:

Laika.8795:

awgardner.9634:

Define badly please ?

Is it a Thief that hits the easy button ?
Is it a Thief that utilizes his tools and functions to facilitate victory ?

Badly is someone who relies on stealth as a crutch, rather than a tool. Obviously you play P/D, so I guess someone a lot like you.

lol.

Hater alert. Hater alert. Hey gues what, I play D/D with 30 in Shadow arts. I use stealth as often as possible and time to time I even chain CnD to regen some more hp and/or relocate, aswell to add some burst to that backstab that I will use to open up on target.
Plz hate me

Every trait you have got nerfed by 25%, so did your damage and survivability.

33%

Yup, its 33 %

Sifu.6527:

ensoriki.5789:

Great patch.
What I got from this patch.
Now that Reveal is 4s, they can buff back Tactical in Spvp as I see it.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
(lol optimism)

Now that Haste has been kitten they can put back 15% damage on Pistol whip.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
(lol optimism)

Finally Corrosive traps works with Ambush. It drives me nuts when things do not work.

Healing seed change is greatly welcomed, If the range is increased I can cluster bomb heal allies better it seems.
yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

D/P & D/D Haste combo is no longer outrageously fast.
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Caltrops nerf + Reveal.
Now they have to actually make P/D a decent set that I don’t laugh at .
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
But lol the trash bleed build is now moar trash.

Why are you QQing? Weren’t you the one that was excited about the nerf?

Hey ! I like healing seed !

Laika.8795:

awgardner.9634:

Define badly please ?

Is it a Thief that hits the easy button ?
Is it a Thief that utilizes his tools and functions to facilitate victory ?

Badly is someone who relies on stealth as a crutch, rather than a tool. Obviously you play P/D, so I guess someone a lot like you.

lol.

Hater alert. Hater alert. Hey gues what, I play D/D with 30 in Shadow arts. I use stealth as often as possible and time to time I even chain CnD to regen some more hp and/or relocate, aswell to add some burst to that backstab that I will use to open up on target.
Plz hate me

Oh and updade didnt happen yet, did it ?

I have just loged into forums to write same comment. It really makes no sence at all. They might as well rename it to daze now, couse even its name doesnt make sence now. Oh well, one more useless elite now. For all the qqers that might comment, im not a big fan of basilisk, becouse I dont play burst build, therefore i rarelly use it, but i do give a fk enough to comment.

Geiir.7603:

I don’t think this will hit us as much as we expect. And if they give us the boosts they were talking about I’m really eager to start on the patch! They were talking about giving other weapon sets more mobility so that we won’t need the SB for it any longer. They also talked about giving us more mobility in general and more team support stuff, so this patch sounds more like a plus for us thieves than a drawback. I’m sick of feeling the need to have a SB with me for mobility and I can’t wait to get rid of it.

Trust me, we aint getting those promised boosts. At least not for a LONG time.

I have no idea why they adding revealed after stealth fades off… Just remove CnD damage alltogether if ppl are crying that they get killed by CnD chaining, allthough I have no idea how one could get killed bt it.

Enjoyluck.2618:

I have engie thief can’t kill engie.. ever. AThere is a trait that screw up thieves a lot called protection when got crit.

I have no idea about engineer traits, but thats so true, I, at leats with my build, have very very hard time fighting engineers, and get stomped by good ones.

Stealth does not mitigate damage. Just saying.

Sogradde.8016:

How am I supposed to know? I don’t play a thief.
I know you guys are cynical about this because poeple tend to give you flak for perma-stealth etc. but be reasonable for a minute here, how is it balanced when your class can take the Orb and deliver it, without breaking a sweat or even taking damage?

What you witnessed or claim to have witnessed is impossible by a thief class.

Sogradde.8016:

How is it not thief-related when a thief skill is entirely broken? Also, what about cooldown?

What skill/utility makes thief leap constantly, without a break and be unhittable? Thats what you said.

Sogradde.8016:

Karolis.4261:

You do realise that what you describing has nothing to do with thief abilities/skills/mechanics, right ?

How so?

“No, he leaped, constantly, without a break. This made him un-hittable by anything I fired at him, even knock-/pushback missed.” <<<—————- THAT

You do realise that what you describing has nothing to do with thief abilities/skills/mechanics, right ?

Jinks.2057:

Red Falcon.8257:

Good Thieves are completely unaffected by Mug/Stealth nerf.
Ok maybe I will feel less guilty when I kill people as it won’t be as faceroll easymode as it is now perhaps.

Define what you say is a good thief please.

I see a lot of people say this but never actually say what a good thief is

The one that actually doesnt play it.
And for the poster before, yes good thiefs will be affected by stealth nerf. Chaining CnD was a common tactic between x/d thiefs to relocate from one side of zerg to other, now that will be impossible.

Taril.8619:

randomfightfan.4091:

that’s just wrong
look at the tool tip. The damage on this is actually LESS than the 1st autoattack on dagger.

Using my tooltips with 2307 power:

Heartseeker;
>50% – 846
25-50% – 1269
<25% – 1692

Dagger #1;
Double Strike – 2x 474
Wild Strike – 719
Lotus Strike – 719

Heartseeker not only does more damage than any part of the Dagger #1 chain per hit even at > 50% health it also attacks faster (Dagger #1 full chain takes 2 seconds to complete) as it is less affected by the delay after skills (You can chain it instantly, there’s no small delay after the cast animation before starting a new one)

The only reason HS >50% is not used is because it’s better to save the initiative until <50% where the benefit is much larger.

And why not to cnd/bs instead of falling into 222222222 train ?

Ensign.2189:

I cannot think of a situation off the top of my head where I would prefer it over both Valkyrie and Knight’s. It’s not a particularly good set for the thief.

Well using cavalier instead of knights for toughness lets you keep critical damage, which is of most importance for hidden killer backstab builds, which are getting kittened by anet in a week ty.

Zumy.6318:

Its not me what you hate.
You hate the idea of lost. This causes fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate, well you already know that young Sithlord.

And hate leads to red and kittened up face.

Volrath.1473:

I don’t think a-net wants the thief to have much thoughness, they want it to evade/dodge/stealth to avoid dmg, not tank it.
Still it’s not even close to an ele that besides evading and dodging they also have immunitys AND are able to tank.

And yet they are striping thiefs only defence tool – stealth.

Sunflowers.1729:

Karolis.4261:

You might as well go to other games forums (WoW for example) and try explain your theory that their stealth ( which is called “STEALTH”) is not stealth after all, because it actually increases rogues speed ( BY DEFAULT).

That isn’t true at all (I also fixed your spelling mistakes).

Can we just agree that it’s stealth because the skill descriptions all say so?

So nice of u to fix my mistakes. Okay i double checked, it does not increase speed, but does not reduce it since one of early cataclysm patches. And can be traited to increase it.

Asurastafarian.9708:

Let’s just call this ability what it really is – invisibility. It’s not stealth. There’s no movement penalty in GW2 for being in “stealth”, but there should be. In fact, a thief in this game can go FASTER in “stealth”. He can be on fire and apparently the fire on his clothing has the stealth ability as well. You wanna keep it as is – fine. Just don’t call it what it isn’t.

Movement penalty ? are you serious ? Imagine this: Thief gets into fight with someone, he used CnD to stealth and get positioned for opening strike, but target simply moves fast enough to outrun thief so backstab/tactical strike cant reach him, becouse he simply is faster then said thief. It is allready pretty easy to avoid backstab followed by cnd or at least avoid half of its damage by simply running around. You might aswell go to other games forums (WoW for example) and try explain your theory that their stealth ( which is called “STEALTH”) is not stealth after all, becouse it actually increases rogues speed ( BY DEFAULT). No there shouldnt be speed penalty in STEALTH. Do not compare other games mechanics with gw2 mechanics, becouse its totally different.

So IF i decide to hunt this commander down in the middle of zerg can i expect that noone will stop me from stomping him ? ty and your welcome in advance !

RedSpectrum.1975:

Rayya.2591:

Authority.6145:

Builds countering our enemies.
D/D Approach.
VS Mesmers that use clones (unknown build)

• Work your way through clones with C/D.
• Use 3 seconds to determine the real Mesmer.
• Use short bow aoe spam to nuke the clones.

Doesen’t work vs condition staf mesmers
you get hit stealthed by staf auto attack , if you destroy clones with your CnD , you get confusion

Well then? You can contribute, 1 person giving their personal encounters isnt enough :p

Try and keep those confusion stacks on u to minimum . Confusion mesmers are soooooo evil.

Stop zerging. Issue fixed.

Sunflowers.1729:

dank.3680:

Emerge.9640:

Hahahaha so many tears from so many bads! Nerf was obvious, my main is a thief. Good. Deal with it, it’s deserved.

In this topic, there are more people who are obviously mad@thieves saying this comment then there is thieves actually complaining about the nerf. Just lol. Btw, if you are bad, good thieves are still gonna crap on ya.

But now a bad thief will crap on a bad player less. Seems pretty fair to me…

Actually now a “bad thief” which i consider to be all full zerker 25/30/0/0/15 build thief will crap same as he craped before, becouse for this build revealed when stealth ends on its own will change nothing. It will however destroy the staying in battle power for stealth based x/d thieves, knowing how squishy they are even in tankish builds.

What are you smoking ?

Royce Melborn.3276:

2 days since the “nerf” now and I haven’t noticed much of a difference, except for the 4s stealth cooldown. Just takes a little adaption in the attacks, is all.
Got as many badges as always.

Well good for you. Oh w8, do you really play thief ?

Daecollo.9578:

Compared to the other classes, almost all the thief traits have “set-limits” that are completely lack-luster, and most of the boons are completely temporary compared to the other classes.

With all the nerfs coming to thief, I wonder if they are going to look at our “shared” traits with other classes and realize (Hey… these guys have the same traits, except there traits are horrible compared to the other classes!)

Stealth traits are some of the best ones we have, and with them being nerfed by half by doubling the reveal buff, I wonder what else a thief should be able to do.

Another silly question… why do we have 30% boon duration when we have little to no boons?

Why do almost all our traits have a ridiculous GCDs? Why are half our weapons useless?

No they wont, at leats not for a loooooong time. Time to suck it up

Isaac.6041:

You cannot force another player not to “burn” supply. You can kindly ask and if they refuse to listen there is not much you can do.

ArenaNet created achievements like repair master and siege building master and some people really want to get them so you can’t really ruin their fun unless you take the supply first.

There are also those players that waste supply on building “flame ram shrines” and other sort of nonsense. Are we going to report those players too now. No.

Heil the flame ram !

Op just cant afforf 8-10 silver/30min for foods…

Cirax.9231:

This is a good change that won’t impact good thieves, and only the bad ones that rely on chain stealthing (repeated CnD on PvE mobs, blackpowder/HS spam).

So tahts what I said, this wont impact GC zerker 1 combo kill builds ( which you are refering as to “skilled thiefs”), but will fk up stealth builds that relly on CnD or Black powder/hs combo to survive till their next opening who are completally skilless compared to google copied gc zerker 1 combo thiefs. Yea, thats about it.

Esprit Dumort.3109:

It’s a nice compromise. Thief class has always been too forgiving, now Thieves actually have to play a little rather than spam Heartseeker and C&D when it doesn’t work.

You see theres a difference between HS spaming and CnD chaining. Stealth thieves do not spam HS and those who do fail at it.

Oh I know what will not be affected. 25/30/0/0/15 gc zerkers that run around blowing ppl in 2 seconds with googled combo. GG anet.

Dual.8953:

Like if you miss an attack or always? Either way, as thief player I have no problem with this and actually promote it so long as it doesn’t interfere with my rotation which this shouldn’t.

You know what rotation does ? makes you predictable.

When not in combat there is a speed cap of 133 % . With SoS you allready have 125 , so that 50 % increase will only add 8 % of speed. That 50 will be felt only in combat, becouse in combat base speed drops.

Oh well if they will make you revealed every time stealth JUST ENDS ON ITSELF… we all might aswell forget SA tree, couse half traits ther will be totally useless and go for google forged 25/30/0/0/15 gc zerk build.

mompen.7952:

Hello!

I’ve been WvW’ing for about a week, and I find it pretty awesome.

One thing tho, I find it hard to kill almost anything with my D/P setup (when I’m 1vs1-ing for an example).

I cant play so much, therefore I dont have so much gold, as you can see from what gear I’m using (full whisper with beryl-orbs).

Is the armor really sucky compared to the others (P/V/T) you get at Orr?

I know I need to get me some new jewelry, as I only got some lvl 70-stuff, and the strong back brace you get at lvl 5 or something, lol. (Will it help out a lot for me to get some better jewelry?)

And I’ve soon saved up 30-ish laurels, so think I’m gonna buy something from the vendor, was thinking about a better backpiece maybe, or anything else you guys would recommend?

As for my traits i use 0/30/30/10 (see attached image).

Any input is welcome, to help a fellow thief

You my friend have overpaid for good for nothing gear . If i remember right it costs around 3g a piece ( I may be wrong, but it certainly costs much more then rare lvl 80 gear at trade house). Exotic gear costs 5g a piece at trade house.

Dasorine.1964:

how’d you get that their armour has condition damage? they only have nearing 300 condition damage, that should be around the base amount for that level.

Becouse whisperes armor have condition damage on it. Im level 80 and I have 0 condition damage, so no that shouldnt be base amount at that level

frans.8092:

Columba.9730:

From a practical standpoint, thieves are immune in stealth unless someone gets lucky with a random aoe.

From a practical standpoint, mob-ai does know how to hit thieves in stealth. I guess they are just smarter then you when it comes to fighting thieves.

Oh man, +1 to this

Teamkiller.4315:

Irena.1062:

No, and it’s all because people called on Anet to nerf theif.

It’s kitten No one argued that thieves were OP in PvE. that’s insane, they’re one of the worse classes for it because NPCs have such high health compared to players. Only some outspoken people had complained thieves were OP in WvW (not even in sPVP). So A-Net nerfed their stealth in…PvE…but not WvW?

It’s really weird to be honest

Same thing happened to Guardian in the January patch. A-net nerfed the Guardians’ worst utilities (spirit weps). It’s just…mind blowing.

Oh wow when did this happen ? Nerfed stealth in pve BUT NOT IN WWW ?

Ljiona.9142:

A p/d thief doesn’t need to CnD. He can have 6 forms of stealth without ever doing it. Pre-loaded stealth from steal, 2 second stealth from steal, fighting a thief gives another stealth with follow-up stealth, heal stealth, blindness dust, and shadow refuge.

But like Brass said, you got condition removal, you take a lot of their damage away. However, it is still six sneak attacks…the direct damage will hurt, esp if they are traited for 100% crit on hidden and have all carrion gear. Also, there will be times when those bleeds do tick.

Ok so … Good d/p thief will not use stealth on steal trait. No d/p condi thief will use hidden killer ( it would not make sneak attack crit, only first shot from 5), neither any of that tree traits. Blindness dust ?

Ross Biddle.2367:

Here’s my experience on Tier 1 and 2.

Get into TS so you can hear the commanders actual commands.
Run with the large, co-ordinated force.
Watch as the game ascends to a higher level where it’s no longer about your individual skill and effort, and instead you become a part of a much larger whole, able to pull of feats that will blow your mind only thanks to what is summed up as, or dumbed down to, “The Zerg”.

From the outside, from a roamer, or small group perspective zerging looks ridiculous. It’s only once you fully invest in zerg vs zerg that you come to appreciate what the hell is going on. Commander vs Commander, Guild vs Guild, Discipline, moving as one collective force, trying to outplay an opposing monster who, if a mistake is made, will roll right over you and yours.

There’s nothing here to fix. This is the height of warfare. Beautiful, beautiful warfare.

Stack up into one huge turttle, deploy portal entre, send suicidal mesmer into enemy zerg to drop portal exit, buff up, use portal, mash keyboard blindly, see who won. Beautiful beautiful warfare.

vespers.1759:

so they can apply PVE balance to WvW and say GG?

and whats wrong with that ?

Laika.8795:

Karolis.4261:

There is allmost 0 difference between exotic and accended gear …

The biggest difference I notice is the lack of flexibility you get. I run with Soldier jewelry slotted with Ruby jewels. Can’t get that with Ascended. All things considered, I find it more of a hindrance.

I think there are PVT accended trinkets at laurel vendor. And you can mix in some berserker partsto compensate for loss of ruby jewels.