Guild Wars 2

RedBaron.6058:

Hello,

Just my 2 cents.

All professions are good for all types of WvW (Zerg, 1 v 1, small group, roaming) if you master them.

If you want to start WvW and have doubts what profession to chose here they are from easiest to hardest to master:

Warrior
Guardian
Necromancer
Ranger
Elementalist
Thief
Engineer
Mesmer

Well I would say:
1.Warrior, really really nothing hard here, just so called worker build( shotus, hammer / sword+wh, balance stance, banner and defiance stance). The only hard job for u is to banner in time( before enemy finish downed dude).
2.Guardian( easier to play than warrior due to 2 surv skills that suit GWEN builds). 2. place, cos u need to keep stabillity in order with rest of ur guards and maintain boons.
3.Ranger here – what is hard in spamming 1.1.1. from safe range and rapid fire? Also he have leaps to run awya and basically don’t need to fight in close range( he have higher range than ele’s reflecting shield).
4.Thief – just jump on backs, kill, get invi, run, repeat.
5.Necromancer – why is he hard? Bombing with staff is easy, just put aoe, same for wells, but when it is comming to surviving u really need skills to do so when focus party sit at you. Why? Because u don’t have leaps to run away or any skill to jump out of fight( let’s hope gs change something). Also u need to remember skilsl and suit them to sitations( for example pt plague up when ur meele is engaging to blind and chill foes).
6.Engineer – U need really good build to do something in fights and in order to be usefull u can’t take any surviving skill which makes it really hard to carry on. Also u take retaliation dmg fro mevery skill – not like necro with his aoes.
7. Elementalis – “Which autment now? Do they need water or fire at the moment? Everyone want to kill me?!” Actually Elementalists have hardest moments due to massive focus on them – wipe em wout and enemy won’t have outheal, same goes for necros tho but they are getting killed due to their dmg. Also they need to know the situation perfectly and choose skills wisely. Also players playing this calss need to think very fast and remember a lot of skills, macros and key bindings to be best.

Dayra.7405:

Kasteros.9847:

NOPE, there is no lag cos EoTM run “new enginee” – I will call it as this. While old WvW maps run " old pve enginee". Basically old borderlands lag cos of PvE constrution for em, while EoTM have completly diffrent contruction. Also if u ever got over slow loading textures u could see HUNDREDS of lvls of textures under current ones. For example, under blue spawn wp is a lot of snow, water etc. and at this point, THE WATER is lagging, not fps, but ping lag.

Any source or evidence for your otherwise completely unjustified conjectures?

Ye, watch YT and check out about the textures under EB or some other wvw map. Also turn off every graphic option and it will lag less( not fps, ping). As for constructions of EoTM – Old borderlands. as i wrote check YT or turn down render of ur RAM and GPU to see it. Also check out beta posts( if they still exist) that WvW run same enginee as PvE – GW1’s enginee and isn’t suited for 240 players( 3 way fights).

ps. Let’s not made any more offtop since this post is about getting rid of eotm instead of eotm’s performance.

Toxsa.2701:

Missy.6803:

I just want to know why I have 0 lag in EotM with all the hundreds of people, but one ‘three-way in garrison’ in WvW and I can’t move.

First, eotm zerg is actually much smaller compare to WvW t1 zerg bulls.

Second, there’s rarely a 3-way fight in Eotm because the objectives are quite separated and commanders are less aggressive.

Third, Zerg in eotm tends to die faster, use less skills because of all the worthless uplevels. The fight is much less dynamic in Eotm than in WvW, thus , consume less resources.

NOPE, there is no lag cos EoTM run “new enginee” – I will call it as this. While old WvW maps run " old pve enginee". Basically old borderlands lag cos of PvE constrution for em, while EoTM have completly diffrent contruction. Also if u ever got over slow loading textures u could see HUNDREDS of lvls of textures under current ones. For example, under blue spawn wp is a lot of snow, water etc. and at this point, THE WATER is lagging, not fps, but ping lag.

FrozenChinchilla.5249:

WvW is basically dead anyway
Unless they half the amount of servers so maps actually can be competitive it’s just zerging around against doors.

Ye and make queues much bigger…now it is hell in T1-3 with 20-60 players queue during prime time.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Raising the cap for the home BL isn’t fair for the other 2 servers. With this new problem in WvW, I think we should be allowed to report AFKers, and then the GMs can run an IP check to see if multiple accounts are running on rival BLs. If a GM sees the same IP on different servers, both in WvW, then they should kick one of them out.

Well virtualbox m8 ^^U can set diffrent ip at virtual machine and diffrent at ur main system. Also did u see ANY GM during last months / years? And just think about the amount of reports And players banned for over over overreporting ^^

maybe.5086:

Why remove a game mode that people enjoy playing? Having said that, current EOTM is not WWW. There you learn almost nothing about WWW, so as some poster suggested it is not a learning place.. It turn into another game mode, much like Cursed shore or FGS champ trains. So there should be no WWW related rewards (www rank gain, badges etc in that map), those rewards should be removed from EOTM imo.
The server resource discussion has a valid point. Maybe ANET can reconsider server assingments.
I don’t play at EOTM much, is there a lag there?

Nah there is no lag cos EoTM run “new enginee” – I will call it as this. While old WvW maps run with " old pve enginee". So only hope for us is to w8 for desert borderlands since they will be made with same “enginee”. But it is true that EoTM share resources with “legit”, standard WvW maps.

Tbh here is some summary i made about deleting eotm:
+ More server resources for old maps
+ Less farmed high rank heroes( in gw2 it is all about prestige right?)
+ More players for lower tiers( some ppl play eotm, after delete of EoTM, they will be forced to continue WvW at old maps)

- More uplevels at borderlands
- More unexperienced( without perks) players at borderlands
- More low comanders at borderlands
- Blobs, Blobs everywhere
- Bigger queues
- No activity for players in queues
- No more duels against players form other servers( since dueling at normal maps drive some ppt players to go mad)
- Guilds wouldn’t be able to fight other guilds from not same match-up
- Players will lose their fun of playing at EoTM – actually some ppl really enjoy this map and roaming not ktraining
- As i wrote it is about prestige and APs and ppl will lose access to it
- Also they wouldn’t be able to kill aetherblades which are needed for some stuff
- EoTM is also nice place for screenscapturers :P

As u see i counted only few pluses and much more minuses of deleting EoTM. Why does it even bother you? If u want to play EoTM go ot server that run raids at this map or use lfg tool to band together with other ppl. Also tbh i see lot of ppl running at those maps but pointless without comms – some suggestion here

Emmm…but u know taht guilds use it as their gvg arena? Also this will took another resources and bla bla bla never will be live Personally i would like this cos guild from silver would be able to fight against guild from gold. Also ppl stopped pvping there cos it got bored and community that was doing it just left the game ;P

Set up invisible mode in community bar. Actually they find u by blocking u and then reminding ur chara / acc name so they can whisp u. Also if they join ur party they see ur name too.

It is about this time LA was destroyed so… bumping up!

Dayra.7405:

Kasteros.9847:

But what if we( me and my friend) have queues for WvW and want to play together? Or when my guild can’t get into border and we would like to play at EoTM against some other guild? Ur sollution die here

If you are on a server with queues for all maps: Then you are the problem that has to be resolved. Move to one of the many servers without queue instead of overstacking at SFR.

EotM has a high fluctuation. There is a steady stream of coming and going. With 2 you probbaly not even notice any wait time till you can join the same team. The more you are the more effort you will have. And this is good. A to large organized group in a random team environment is a confounder.

Kasteros.9847:

Also unbalanced EoTM isn’t even anet’s fault, it is players fault for blobing at SFR and then having queues – being forced to play EoTM.

In the meantime it’s the other way around a lot of people overstack SFR, as this gives them effortless farming in EotM.

choovanski.5462:

balancing edge is just an unrealistic goal. …

Balance not means that the pair of scales is arrested in the middle and cannot swing. Rather it means scale it swings and it swings to both sides nearly equally.

You describe a typical swinging process, fine for me.

But currently there is no swinging of the scales in EU.

The current imbalance fixed one at the top and one at the bottom.

1. of all I don’t play at sfr just gave example of that cos I know situation there, and I woudl like to move to lower tiers withotu queues but…nothing to do there, also my guild want to play gvgs and almost all gvg guilds are in t1-3

2. Oke with 1 firend it would be no problem to get into 1 team but what if I want to play with couple of them? 5 for example when our bls are queued? What then? Man just submit that idea of randomly throwing players into team or throwing players into smallest team is out of question here.

3. I don’t really know what is the deal of balancing it. Atm. Eotm holds almost all uplevels, low ranks and low players form real WvW so it is fine. Also if u feel that u don’t have enough ppl at other sides i will give u advice: buy tag and lead ppl at eotm. Everytime i join eotm as blue / red i see ppl, even no outnumbered buff but no1 to lead em so they leave and the circle repeat. Use lfg aswell to find ppl and band together, bring ppl to ur overflow or u go to overflow with ppl. The problem isn;t balance or something, the problem are ppl ^^ Also lot of ppl don’t join EoTM cos why? It’s pointless gamemode that don’t give any points to servers and don’t have competitive players to fight against.

maybe.5086:

Since there is no server identity at EOTM, why not break the relation to real WWW servers. Just randomly assign colors to players to balance that overflow. Sure you may not be able to play in the same team with your friends, but it might be fun to kill them as well

Ye, but u miss some fact, lot of ppl use it as supposed – overflow when they queues. For example bunch of friends playing together can’t get into border so they go to eotm. Same apply for guilds when they can;t get into border they find some guild and go eotm to fight them.

Elizabeth Reed.9173:

I’ve only been playing a year but this imbalance in WvW is getting on my nerves. It’s always 2 servers vs. 1. It’s never a fair fight. I realize that in this game there is no perfect scenario for a “fair” fight. But if WvW could be limited to 2 and only 2 servers I would think that this would bring about a more level playing field. It is unrealistic to think that having 3 servers compete would not encourage an alliance between 2 of the servers – it’s obviously logical. Discouragement of an alliance is a first step to rectifying the imbalance we now have on many servers.

Blobing tactic detected! Blobing tactic detected! Tbh it is supposed to have 1 server vs 2 it is what tactic is. Also i don’t think they had some deal, they just saw ur server busy with other so they jumped in to cap something when all ur players blobed at 1 place.

Dayra.7405:

choovanski.5462:

Dayra.7405:

A simple: If you join EotM, you join the smallest team, would do it.

yeah that’s a good idea. it only stops people from playing with friends and guildies. no way annnnyyyyonee would care about that /s

(eotm is not serious or competitive, you don’t even get anything for winning.)

I see the relation between EotM and WvW similar to the one of rPvP and sPvP.
If you want to play with your friends go to wvw, if you just want to play a bit and do not care much with whom go to EotM.

Having said that: a small dialog (as in rPvP) that let you join smallest side immediately or wait for a place in your preferred side isn’t a big deal.

And you are right EotM is as less competitive as rPvP, still that doesn’t mean rPvP matches should be always 5:1-2 or EotM matches always 90:20-40. As this is not even not competitve, it isn’t a game anymore.

Playing with your friends could also be duelling your friends, practical impossible today, easy with an EotM where the server-team binding is dropped.

But what if we( me and my friend) have queues for WvW and want to play together? Or when my guild can’t get into border and we would like to play at EoTM against some other guild? Ur sollution die here Also unbalanced EoTM isn’t even anet’s fault, it is players fault for blobing at SFR and then having queues – being forced to play EoTM.

coglin.1867:

Kasteros.9847:

insanemaniac.2456:

Kasteros.9847:

Well engi is good till u find yourself getting rekt at start. Also when engi is out of skills he is useless till they refresh. Next point is that u don’t have position as engi, with meele u die fast, with fp u don’t have enough burst dmg, with backline u don’t do anything to support them and mt.

everyone is useless after blowing cds

if youre dying fast in melee, your gear and/or build sucks, and engi needs both to not suck

Nah, even with best tanky gear( atm it is nomad i think) and kittened build( 2x elixir S + edurance refill for whole time) engi wouldn’t stand a chance in meele or will hold a bit but don’t do any dmg due to surviving. As i wrote no place for him tbh cos of no burst dmg, no support( healing turret yes, but turret melt faster than u can set up water) no surv( unless u want to do nothing by going full surv).

I run full ascended celestial as a commander and front line runner and have no survivability issues.

I would like to make long comment about leading in mt as engi, but i don’t know ur build( probably full survi traits and skills tho). Celestials tells me only that u don’t do such huge dmg. If possible please send me ur build, wanna check this, cos I used all possible trait / skills sets to do something and don’t die in mt but i was either dmg or survi, never both.

Oke, so today I got beta key and in game mail to subscribe newsletter. I did that years ago but didn’t recive any info regarding beta tests periods, instructions etc. So here is my question: Do i get e-mail with instructions how to run beta when beta gets live? Or is it some lag with servers that I didn’t get mail yet?

Got 1 today. Got it from 143. chest for doing events – only 3-4h of farming at sw

insanemaniac.2456:

Kasteros.9847:

insanemaniac.2456:

Kasteros.9847:

Well engi is good till u find yourself getting rekt at start. Also when engi is out of skills he is useless till they refresh. Next point is that u don’t have position as engi, with meele u die fast, with fp u don’t have enough burst dmg, with backline u don’t do anything to support them and mt.

everyone is useless after blowing cds

if youre dying fast in melee, your gear and/or build sucks, and engi needs both to not suck

Nah, even with best tanky gear( atm it is nomad i think) and kittened build( 2x elixir S + edurance refill for whole time) engi wouldn’t stand a chance in meele or will hold a bit but don’t do any dmg due to surviving. As i wrote no place for him tbh cos of no burst dmg, no support( healing turret yes, but turret melt faster than u can set up water) no surv( unless u want to do nothing by going full surv).

except youre just plain wrong. i prove it every NA night running with tc against the jq map queues. in even/advantageous fights, i can make a huge difference by playing smart. in uneven fights, i dont just die constantly. im often the first one in, even before the commander commits, and i make it out just fine. i dont even have to go nomad. soldier works.

try stepping out of your box. slicky a choke, stack, or maneuver. its obvious you havent even tried.

try this

Go with this against TA the. Ohh w8, TA disbanded, then against dF or NB, it might work for blob fights cos basically u are covered for whole time and no need to care about blasts or something, but against guild groups engy in meele is useless ^^ If u engage before commander u play wrong, if u engage after commander too, u need to engage exactly with him. Also as i wrote u play surv build so u can stay alive for some time, put ur slick and supply, but then…do nothing cos ur build have very low dps, almost 0 support for melee( 1 blast with 20 sec cd that put u out of mt is nothing) and except running and surviving u can’t help ur team as much as guard / warrior do

Basically the only buffer / supporter in this game is guardian or staff ele – still his role is mostly water field and nothing more ;P Guardian can share lot of healing, might and other various boons. He also can save u if he have supporting build so it is pretty nice class for you. Best build would be staff / hammer – hammer due to blast combo finisher and staff to heal and power up ur m8s.

insanemaniac.2456:

Kasteros.9847:

Well engi is good till u find yourself getting rekt at start. Also when engi is out of skills he is useless till they refresh. Next point is that u don’t have position as engi, with meele u die fast, with fp u don’t have enough burst dmg, with backline u don’t do anything to support them and mt.

everyone is useless after blowing cds

if youre dying fast in melee, your gear and/or build sucks, and engi needs both to not suck

Nah, even with best tanky gear( atm it is nomad i think) and kittened build( 2x elixir S + edurance refill for whole time) engi wouldn’t stand a chance in meele or will hold a bit but don’t do any dmg due to surviving. As i wrote no place for him tbh cos of no burst dmg, no support( healing turret yes, but turret melt faster than u can set up water) no surv( unless u want to do nothing by going full surv).

Well engi is good till u find yourself getting rekt at start. Also when engi is out of skills he is useless till they refresh. Next point is that u don’t have position as engi, with meele u die fast, with fp u don’t have enough burst dmg, with backline u don’t do anything to support them and mt.

Ye, i hoped that some dev would give answer but u know…devs ><

cocowoushi.7150:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-28-2015/first#post5014989
“all events and creature drops have a small chance”

all events is refering to chests for doing events, but no info about mobs spawning during those events( as u know they deleted any drop from massive event mobs since 2014). So here is my question Still w8ing for answer…

Topic, 15 words so I had to type something…

Good that ppl realised this( anet don’t care about WvW) now and not later, still it took 3 years for some Since they didn’t say a thing about refunds for traits that we bought i think they are not gonna care about skill points too as long as majority(70% – PvE) of players will be happy ^^ Cos why to implement more skill points into WvW( like 1 in every tower for…idk…maybe picking a sand and covering u with it to show ur influence to specific place) or just let us buy hero points with BoH. It’s too hard to think about WvWers a bit, expecially now when we lack WvW specialists( I would like to take a position myself but…no EU players ^^ such discimination ^^).

The problem show up when we take EoTM here Cos u can earn 1k every 2h there :P Still I would like to have those rewards for BoH since we have lowest rewards if we compare em with other gamemodes( pvp have dungeon boxes etc., pve can farm em, while WvW can buy not salvageable exo gear…)

Simpliest sollution? Start playing 80s at EoTM and kill SFR arrows blob with just 10-15 80s or even less. And don’t tell me that this is imposible we did it a lot of times when we didn’t have enough ppl to raid with or just queues to pump up ppl. Maybe after wipes everyday they won’t play it as much as they use to ^^

So…

1.Guilds: They might find fights every moment so a bit of heaven, BUT they might not be able to pomp their ppl in , disband and their member will probably quit the game

2.Pugs: No more open raids, no more ts3 raids etc. cos why to give ts3 to someone who might be ur enemy next few hours :P – It’s like that at eotm atm. Also 6 hours matches? It wouldn’t be even worth upgrading keeps( 3g to upgrade just to make it again after 6h)

3.Who chose kingdom? Random? Players? Server itself? Wtf is happening?

3.1. If players chose their kingdom:
Numbers Balance: Did u ever think about ppl banging 1 kingdom? For example all SFR players will go to red one and since rest wouldn’t have to transfer to play with em they will chose it too and then bah 90% of ppl will play red kingdom ^^
How will they be able to play at their server but be in other kingdoms?
3.2. If random chose:
Numbers Balance: Kingdom that get SFR will win every time
What if some players wouldn’t want to be in some kingdom cos of too many FR or DE ppl there and comms leading in this langauges?

4. And finally something that I mentioned in 3.2 point and is most important here: did u ever think about langauges varienty? U know it might not be a problem for NA but in EU we have: English servers, Spanish server, French servers, German servers. So how would it work? English players put in same map with german players that want to lead in german, but 1/3 of the map that is english speaking and don’t understand a thing So in result 1/3 of map leaded by Eng Com, 1/3 by DE com and 1/3 by FR com, then enemy with 90% of map leaded by Eng comm. Result? Insta lose for any of those groups ^^ Also I personaly wouldn’t want to play with ppl from servers like Blacktide or Fort Rannik[FR] ^^ Also I’m English speaking person( not native tho) and this is reason why I play at English speaking server and not some FR server, which will change after ur “sollution” and I will be bundled with all language players and ppl that i don’t like. There will be also lot of discrimination and other communication probalems

Well my guild is sinking gold pirate ships every day at raid. It is also much more dynamic now when u play normal style( mt rush etc.) against some pirates who run run run away and keep avoiding you. All u need now i hunting for papers with mt too( not like before with fp only) and everything will be fine

Gladys.3542:

They are doing There killing off all WvW play so ppl who want better wvw will leave and stop complaining. If there’s no one to complain then there’s no need to but some effort and they can fully consentrate on PVE and gem store sales.

by Hola.

Exactly Why to improve WvW and make it more HC? Better to just force those good players who want to make something better and leave it as it is cos casuals will still be able to play :P

Tbh pirateship meta killed MT in blob fights, u can still fight gvg without any problem or zerg vs zerg but blob vs blob not anymore. The only way to play it now is necro/ranger/ele/staff guardian and range bomb cos who go meele 1. he die and coms are afraid to do so to not lose their groups or die and ruin whole fight.

So basically if u want to play EB or open raid take range class and bomb till enemy get bored and rush you.

Reborn.2934:

by making smaller the time per tick will give to the PPT heroes more times to play this role during matchup .

the PPT will totally destroyed if the tick will increased to 8hours and if the points per tick will be the sum of :

( captured objectives + bonus from upgrades ) points every 1 hour with much more points than now ,
+ 2 points in every successfully event during matchup per player ,
+ 1 point from successfully down of enemy ,
+ 2 points from finishing ,
- 1 point from every event failed per player ( bloodlust will remain as buff and only and i hope in new map we don’t have it at all ) and ….

by making the points in the half day ( 12:00 -24:00 ) count double from the nights ….

p.s. events will be the counter of the blob ppk effect because blobs can not be in all events same time in a map and all type of players can help to server score in all maps !

1. of all servers will not hold up – at last EU servers.
2. If htey add points for events ppl will just do events instead of ppting so still not fun at all.
3. We had event with +1 point for every kill, worked fine and everyone want it back.
4. We have +1 point for every finished enemy( read bloodlust buff).
5. Bigger servers will have over huge advantage Cos they will be able to hold ppl all day and all night doing vents and catching even more points
6. Why “night” ppl have to earn less points? They play during those hours cos of time diffrence for example in London is 19:00 but in Moskow they have 21-22. So it isn’t fair for them
7. This whole comment looks like u want to boost roamers that do events every 3 mins

^^ Basically join open raids – usually leaded at server’s ts – at last in T1. If u want to hang with closed raid then u might be insta killed ^^ That is our sollution, when we are about a fight we run away from pugs and enemy kill em, nothing wrong here, they just didn’t follow us up and got killed

x Charlie.4820:

MasterD.4790:

This is true, but capturing points is the game is easy and boring, and playing it to the max to gain the most PPT you can means hitting where the enemy isn’t, so it’s a lot of battling doors, which is like watching grass grow. Sure that’s cool for the people who bought this game for jumping puzzles and rolling in the grass with faeries,

I agree and i rarely ever do it. I do enjoy defending but it’s just boring when the zerg decides their ram got taken down so it’s time to change map.

MasterD.4790:

but some of us play this game for competitive pvp and fights and unfortunately the powers that be in this game, created a stupid 5v5 conquest mode which is one for the lamest forms of pvp and then wondered why it didn’t go all esports on them, so guess what people started using the open pvp world of WvW as their outlet to play competitive deathmatch style pvp whether it be small scale, dueling or gvg’s. But heaven forbid competitive people ruin the casuals game mode and their gem buying.

WvW will never be taken as serious as Conquest. Not really. The game has been balanced around 5v5 and spvp amulets. WvW is full of upscales, low level gear, broken foodbuffs, broken gaurdstacks, Broken runes and LOADS of broken traits which didn’t get balanced when they rebalanced them. WvW is the casual game mode, Don’t get me wrong i enjoy roaming but it’s pretty clear that WvW is very imbalanced.

AOE limit would need to be removed if 20v20 ever became a thing because it’s stupid to watch and low skillcap. Logically it just doesn’t make any sence, Guy standing in aoe but taking no damage. Remove the limit and then everyone will find it less fun and not want it in the first place.

You can enjoy WvW, sure. You have to accept that it’s not a serious game mode and we’re not getting one though.

W8 what?! sPvP balanced? U can’t even make ur own build, u must follow rules like full tank with soldier amulet or full zerker with berserker amulet, wtf? At WvW u can pick something from soldier, somethign from zerker, something from knight and balance ur character’s dmg and surv to maximum. Also u talk about Eotm or EB, not GvGs where everyone have specific builds, tactics etc. If it isn’t serious gamemode why so many gvg guilds here? Why ppl try so hard to achive top guild?If it is for casuals why u don’t teach us how ot play properly? I bet that u wouldn’t stand a chance in mt during gvg mr. pro 5 v 5 pvper ALso u know why they put aoe cap with 5 targets? To prevent guilds wiping blobs Cos it was ridiculous to wipe em, then they found how to fight em anyway and after taht they put new stabil and yet some hc guilds can wipe a blob.

x Charlie.4820:

Kasteros.9847:

Well for me the way of playing wvw is to stop enemy from moving and that is what gvg guilds do, they stop enemy guilds from capping For example by fighting at scrims place 1 guilds is able to hold up another form enemy server so they wouldn’t cap I think it is proper way of playing WvW.

Yes and some people think the “Proper way” to play conquest is to sit on a point all game defending it while your team fights 4v5. This would be an easy way to distinguish the really bad people on your team.

Whilst you do take that guild out of the matchup, you ALSO take your guild out of the matchup. So unless they’re beating you everytime, it’s a bad thing.

Kasteros.9847:

Ur example of conquest is a bit strange since conquest mean capture while World vs Worlds means basically players from 1 server vs players form other server

WvW is capturing, I’m sorry that nobody bothered to tell you that. I’m sure your guild was aware. The aim of world v world is to capture camps, towers and keeps. That’s how you win. I don’t even do it myself because i prefer to roam but to not acknowledge it’s the main objective is ignorant.

Your point about it being different is a little odd because whilst sPvP isn’t server v server it’s still team v team…

Yes that is how u win with points, but anet didn’t give us any info if playing ptt only is a proper way of wvw SO til lthey dod that i will stick to opinion that fighting is also proper way of playing this gamemode. Same for conquest, if u kill u get points, what is wrong in killing players and getting points when u are good ta it? Since anet didn’t give us DM that is the only way to do it And same goes for fighters, anet didn’t give us opportunity to fight so we do it at borders and no1 should complain cos we play as it is intended. We fight And by saying that fighting enemy zerg is wrong way of playing WvW u are saying htat ppl should avoid fights and cap only turning WvW into ktrain and gtrain. Also roaming isn’t proper way of playing WvW too cos u don’t cap anything except camps – that is what guilds do too – for stacks ^^ but still cap like roamers.

We had already suggestion of it, not gonna happen according to answer from old posts cos it will imbalance and put walls as useless stuff, also lot of backdooring will happen

Hope never No more 8h queues! They can give new season but 1. free transfer to any server during 1. week to check out how queues set up – last time they gave free transfer to gandara, at 1. day of tournament there was 300 ppl queue for EB and around 200 for other borderlands. So thye can give us new season only when they fix server’s balance.

How did they hack? Flyhack?

Aidan Eighthrain.8612:

Nah u get more wxp bonus chests for 1. place than for last place so some rewards after week exist

“some” XD, better say almost none.

Who is forcing u to defend then? U can capture aswell

Again “forcing me” to adopt the blob train shouldn’t be the only rewarding playstyle as it’s barely enjoyable at higher level and favors only high population and high coverage servers.

Seriously Anet, something definitely needs to be done for more and more HL players getting nuts here, see other topics :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Fights-PPT/first

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Points-per-tick-isn-t-fun/first#post4986217

Still u don’t stand a chance since gvgers ask for some interesnt for ages with hundreds of posts and nothing so what some ppters will do? :P And I will answer like ppters answer to gvgers : “No one is forcing you to play…” defend, u can just capture – i don’t tlak about blob, u can roam aswell.

Aiva.5197:

Hello,

I don’t usually speak my mind on the internet for multiple reasons but I feel very strongly about this and haven’t found a similar thread on the forum so here it goes.

What is up with guilds in WvW maps tagging up and then pm’ing me it’s a closed raid?
Is this normal now? I experienced this twice in the last week after returning from a short break.

I’ve had multiple discussions with people on this subject where they defend these guilds because they play their own way and I should respect that but surely at the end of the day:

- It’s an world event map, not a guild event map. You might want to run it as such but it’s not designed to be.
- Your commander tag effects the entire map, not just your guild. Tag down if you want to play with a select group.
- Why? The closed raid groups I encountered were playing like any other zerg, who cares if people trying to enjoy the game and want to contribute to their server join in?

It felt really demotivating playing WvW after a zerg told me to get lost, and now it happened again. WvW has been re-branded to roaming 90% of the time now?

How do you guys on the forum feel about this?

They probably were gvg guilds looking fro fights. During those fights no random pug should join to not reallybot, steal precious boons etc. Also gvgers look for fights with guild vs guild members only not some guild + pugs against guild cos they compete and such add would interfere with a result of fight. For example when u fight TA and wipe em it is very important to be alone with that without ads like u. That are the reasons they didn’t want you to follow. Also after change of tags BLUE tag is for pugs and nothing more.

x Charlie.4820:

Liston.9708:

Already said they weren’t supporting a 4th game mode – so best you can really ask for is a eotm style OS…..

Yeah, 2 years and these threads still come up. Even after they’ve said no multiple times.

Theres not enough people interested to warrant the development time.

I don’t know why people even bother trying.

Kasteros.9847:

really idk why they h8 us, cos anet didn’t claim what is “proper way” of playing WvW

You take up loads of space for no reason?

I mean they didn’t really claim what the “Proper way” of playing conquest is either but i’m fairly sure if you queued ranked and then dueled offpoint in a corner your team would be angry.

I guess Anet just expect people to have common sence, bad move anet.

Well for me the way of playing wvw is to stop enemy from moving and that is what gvg guilds do, they stop enemy guilds from capping For example by fighting at scrims place 1 guilds is able to hold up another form enemy server so they wouldn’t cap I think it is proper way of playing WvW. Ur example of conquest is a bit strange since conquest mean capture while World vs Worlds means basically players from 1 server vs players form other server

Aidan Eighthrain.8612:

I’ll answer for the sake of the topic and people who do not catch the irony behind the troll :

Kasteros.9847:

But But But u get 3 more chests if u win, 2 if u place second and 1 if u place 3rd so what is ur problem?

The rewards mentioned concerns only season tournaments, who do not even take place for even half the year :

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World#Tournament_system

Kasteros.9847:

Also u get lot of stuff from defending, capping( 3s and 500 karma + champion bag) etc. so 1 tower is about +10s for you :P

Looking at the capture table in comparison proves capture 5 times more rewarding than defending. Add to that the fact that the time spent to defend efficiently is also 5 times superior to the time required to capture… Yeah that’s right, capture is 25 times more rewarding than defense!

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World#Rewards

Nah u get more wxp bonus chests for 1. place than for last place so some rewards after week exist

Who is forcing u to defend then? U can capture aswell

It is a lot of fun, loot and gold to farm uplvl blobs at eotm. Also it is punishment for turning eotm – new wvw map, into pve lvl farm and karma train. And finally lot of guilds can’t fit into servers so they run eotm to fight there cos u know lot of us like ot play this game for fights but can’t do that while in queue.

Here mem( tho it is a bit old mem when someone posted " stop organised groups at eotm after 5 guilds form fsp went therte to wipe em :P) about it : http://captiongenerator.com/15883/Eotm-Karma-Train

But But But u get 3 more chests if u win, 2 if u place second and 1 if u place 3rd so what is ur problem? Also u get lot of stuff from defending, capping( 3s and 500 karma + champion bag) etc. so 1 tower is about +10s for you :P

That are some nice idead except “1 match per day” should be unlimited like at spvp, BUT anet claimed that they are not gonna support GvG so all we have left if playing at borderlands( since OS is too small to hold up all gvg guilds form 3 servers at once) and bring ppters rage toward us and really idk why they h8 us, cos anet didn’t claim what is “proper way” of playing WvW

Meantime PvE have to:
-Jump over 10 shock waves
-Use a turret
-Kill 30 Great Jungle Wurm eggs before larvae hatch.
-Place 5 powder kegs at the base of the cobalt great jungle wurm
- Even kill achivs have 1000 kills cap, not more…

Hexin.5603:

Kasteros.9847:

Here : http://www.gw2wvw.net/gvg

You know this listing is out of date right? Like way outta date. It’s not even well maintained … look at that yak’s bend GvG guild that loves there 0v0 – troll was even accepted. Your data is not supporting GvG’s. And I’m a supporter of them, preferably in a 10v10 format which anet is slowly incorporating.

“And yes some of those guilds don’t exist anymore, but also same amount have been created in their place or even more.”

Ye I know, but look at decent guilds, they are all there and if u are in the world of gvgs u will know who is and who isn’t playing GvGs atm. My point was to show community of GvG and that it is pretty huge.

I was hyped with stronghold when they said “GvG” at PAX and thought about 10 v 10, 15 v 15 and 20 v 20 arenas but then… go ahead to sPvP and fight in spectacular 5 v 5 battles! – but it should be in sPvP secction so i won’t type more about it to not make offtop.

Flyphish.6398:

Blob fighting is casual. Only when group size is reduced to 5, does this game become competitive. Even then it’s a bit spammy. Just because you spend a lot of time at a casual activity, does not change the nature of the “game mode”. So yes, casuals.

And, your community is tiny, tiny, tiny compared to the other sanctioned modes. Reality is a tough pill to swallow sometimes, but I do encourage some perspective.

Blob fighting with 5 ppl? U are joking right? Tell me you are joking please! Or show proof of 5 ppl wiping blob in open field I bet u didn’t run with a guild against blob or u did but gaianst eotm train

Yes it is tiny when we compare it with all pve casuals, but w8…there will always be much more casuals than hc players

coglin.1867:

Kasteros.9847:

“Tiny”? GvG in this game have atm. 100+ guilds. Every 1 with at last 20 ppl in guild, most with 30. This set at last 3k ppl asking for gvg. If we include all those ppters who want us to stop fighting at borders and ppl who run without gvg guilds cos they don’t have support form anet it will be set to 6-7k of ppl. So it isn’t tiny group

Do we have a roster of registered GvGer’s? or a list of organized matches with the teams/guilds that participated?

Here : http://www.gw2wvw.net/gvg

I know there have been some organized events. Where were the teams and their rosters maintained for those events?

I am curious, because you are throwing a great deal of numbers around. My experience suggest it is around half of what you suggest, at best. I wouldn’t mind seeing some evidence of it of the numbers your claiming.

By just following forums / yt / reddit and servers( for example deso have around 10 gvg guilds up) u can count lot of guilds and every have 20-30 ppl in( as I see they play 20 v 20 so at last 25 ppl in guild). I also asked lot of ppl and were in few guilds so this is basic of my info. As i wrote just look into borders u will see some with even 40ppl in roster. But if u want to check out all those guilds go to link I gave u higher. And yes some of those guilds don’t exist anymore, but also same amount have been created in their place or even more. Remember that not all guilds are put there – for example i didn’t see t6-9 guilds there.

coglin.1867:

No doubt there is a GvG community in WvW, but simply because a guild is working together as a unit in WvW, does not mean they are interested in a participation limit, official GvG match, it simply means they enjoy playing together in WvW.

Yes, they are, but i wrote about guilds that seek fights only and those are at the list I gave u.

Flyphish.6398:

Custom arena and/or stronghold are calling…

Or, just keep playing how you are, Anet is not going to devote development time to a tiny group of casuals.

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 it 8/8 oh w8 I h8 Custom arena or even sPvP can;t give us same fun. 1. of all u have totally diffrent builds there and u are forced to play specific 1 while at WvW u can take this form soldier, this form zerker, this form cavalier and this from knight – in sPvP eq u can’t. 2. maps don’t have ANY open field except forest of nifhelm and tehre u don’t have much place too. 3. u can get 10 v 10 only not 15 v 15 so…

As for a part about “casuals” try gvg guild then I bet u die before the fight even begin

“Tiny”? GvG in this game have atm. 100+ guilds. Every 1 with at last 20 ppl in guild, most with 30. This set at last 3k ppl asking for gvg. If we include all those ppters who want us to stop fighting at borders and ppl who run without gvg guilds cos they don’t have support form anet it will be set to 6-7k of ppl. So it isn’t tiny group

It might be only mine theory but what if anet isn’t willing to make gvg arena cos all those players will go away from WvW and who will be left? Atm. in gold guilds hold 3 borders while pugs are running EB. Yes we have queue but with guilds leaving borders it will be set to 40 ppl at borders. Also almost all commanders are from GvG guilds.

To sum up. GvG community is huge and it is very big part of WvW community and all ppl playing this unoficial gamemode have rights to complain, cos if I rememeber correctly staff said during alpha tests that we will GET this gamemode even bigger and better than in gw1. Promises promises promises Also ading this gamemode will push WvW into the way anet planned – ppt ppt ppt. But till this happen guilds will still fight at open fields and ppters will hate

Malediktus.3740:

OP is a hypocrite. He was member of the OS farm guild until this evening where he suddenly left.

If u mean me, I wasn’t part of the guild, got inv to some ULTD guild while w8ing for gvg and trying to “convice” some guy that has nick with M at start to stop this farm. My character nickname was Hiena Wojny if u wanna proof, ask him, I was pretty active at map chat till gvg started.

coglin.1867:

Kasteros.9847:

@SpellOflniquity, yeah but what about issue with queue to OS cos of them? As i wrote it is fine that anet’s accepted that( for me it is still kittened and not gonna make UD there, even if i will make it in next 2 years and after all other players), but guilds don’t have other place to fight than borders and ppters are bullying them by flaming and engaging their fights.

Queues because of who? Who is “them”? Players who are playing in an acceptable, and specifically approved manner?

It appears to me that you are complaining to try to have others forced out of there, for playing differently then you, so that you can get yourself and and others who play the way you like in.

Nah. I can be fine with it, if not ppters flaming at me for fighting at borders and sending me to OS where i can;t get due to queues. Also according to whole WvW communtiy and Devs arena at OS is a place for massive fights – meaning is a place for gvg, yet gvgers can;t get there cos of exploit farmers and end up at borders being flamed by ppters and called “kitteners, kittens, kittentards” etc. It isn’t nice from them, but they have their rights too, cos when we fight, somewhere bay or other point is lost and we can’t go fight at map that don’t interfere with income cos of thos farmers and that result in bigger and bigger hate from ppters toward us. Clear now?

@SpellOflniquity, yeah but what about issue with queue to OS cos of them? As i wrote it is fine that anet’s accepted that( for me it is still kittened and not gonna make UD there, even if i will make it in next 2 years and after all other players), but guilds don’t have other place to fight than borders and ppters are bullying them by flaming and engaging their fights.