Guild Wars 2

So what, SoR is the third wheel now?

Wow, I actually dont hate BG anymore!

ykyk.2740:

Ozma.1950:

People move to T1 because they want to be with good teams so they can have a competitive fight against other good teams. That way, anyone can log on anytime 24/7 and expect good fights. This is what makes T1 so exciting at the moment and this is the main reason why people are stacking T1.

If Anet really wants to balance WvW, they should consider that and craft their next major change accordingly.

Now they are with good teams so they can have an exhilarating fight against other doors.

I don’t think “whose fault it is” is that important at this point, it doesn’t really change anything. Leagues are going to happen, so why not think according to that rather than lament why things aren’t going in some other hypothetical direction? Things do suck now, but it’s not like the players have no way to make it suck less.

ANET needs to provide incentives for this to happen aka provide free transfers to lower tiers. Not many people are going to transfer to a lower server, spending their own money, to lose.

Why does it have to come down to players spending their own money to fix a design mistake?

ykyk.2740:

Kimhyuna.1035:

ykyk.2740:

Kiff.8157:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Zeke,

I hope this is just a rumor/trolling attempt. MERC is literally the backbone of BG. For Tarkus and MERC to leave, it would be catastrophic. And JQ will become the new super server with unmatched Oceanic & SEA.

FW

Perhaps, that would be the best resort for all three servers? As BG SEA can hardly match JQ/SOR SEA now in terms of number. Imagine BG SEA move to SOR, 1v1 in each particular timezone in a SOR/BG/JQ match would be a real blast. Just suggesting the scenario

Just keep in mind that you’ll be lucky to even have that matchup for once in every 2 months once the league begins.

Just…keep that in mind. If you are transferring servers and stacking timezones in anticipation of a particular matchup, just keep that in mind. Of course for those who are into PvD for a month straight, looking at a 650 tick and feeling good about it all bets are off.

Please stop thinking in terms of tiers.

Why are you telling us to keep it in mind? ANET are the ones to blame for this current and future situation.

Because “ANET” doesn’t make people transfer. People make people transfer, and at the rate things are going these people are in for a very uninteresting time in WvW.

I can’t believe I have to explain this.

Why are people transferring? I would put alot of money on not wanting to be on a losing server. The recent patch and the update to come offers a better experience to people on a better server. In a general conclusion, ANET dont make people transfer yes, but they put people in a position where they must decide between playing on a lower ranked server or moving to a higher ranked one that has more stability. And I doubt that serious wvw guilds are going to move down to a lower ranked server, it would be easier to just quit.

ANET dont care at the end of the day, they make money from gem sales. And money>tears.

Jeez, I cant believe I need to explain this.

Oh you want to have fun? Why sPVP is always there if you like balance!

ykyk.2740:

Kiff.8157:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Zeke,

I hope this is just a rumor/trolling attempt. MERC is literally the backbone of BG. For Tarkus and MERC to leave, it would be catastrophic. And JQ will become the new super server with unmatched Oceanic & SEA.

FW

Perhaps, that would be the best resort for all three servers? As BG SEA can hardly match JQ/SOR SEA now in terms of number. Imagine BG SEA move to SOR, 1v1 in each particular timezone in a SOR/BG/JQ match would be a real blast. Just suggesting the scenario

Just keep in mind that you’ll be lucky to even have that matchup for once in every 2 months once the league begins.

Just…keep that in mind. If you are transferring servers and stacking timezones in anticipation of a particular matchup, just keep that in mind. Of course for those who are into PvD for a month straight, looking at a 650 tick and feeling good about it all bets are off.

Please stop thinking in terms of tiers.

Why are you telling us to keep it in mind? ANET are the ones to blame for this current and future situation.

Moh Jay.7240:

So how bored is SoR?

Spending time in sPVP.
This must be what ANET wanted, bore everyone into wanting to embrace E-sports.

Why quit when you can play sPVP all day.

Cos sPVP is dead and they want to push esparhtz onto us and to push organized group play away from WvW.

Sol.4310:

…. unless its unfair match-up which needs to be addressed.

Unfortunately we have so few fair match ups and while this needs to be addressed as you say, nothing has been indicated within a year of release that shows it will be addressed.

And free transfers? Yea I don’t think that will happen anytime soon.

Desree Mcdez.7056:

Let’s try to see what it does first before citing criticisms. I’m sure Anet would’ve seen what we are reacting to now, as it’s pretty obvious…. They have some underlying thing they wanted us to see here, we just (maybe) haven’t found it yet (it’s only less than a couple of hours since the patch anyway).

That if you want organized combat with no stat-creep you should come play the dead sPvP content? Or if you want to be in a situation where no one server will rarely hold all 3 buff points, transfer up to a server with the population and coverage (all for a measly 1800 gems)? Or while we dont have anything against zergs and gvg (:lol), we just like to encourage 5 man sPvP-esque like content.

Relentliss.2170:

If you made it buff supply instead of stats it would be very worthwhile.

7% more supply per area held on you Dolyaks and in your supply camps

Therefore, holding that buff will make the buff very tactical. Holding all 3 would allow you to fortify your Garrison or SM 21% faster.

That would be incredible actually.

Thrumdi.9216:

Having cap a point in order to have stomps count for points is also dumb and anti-competitive.

It penalizes roamers and duelists on underpopulated servers. I wouldn’t be surprised if it does cause them to transfer to higher tiers, along with the competitive guilds.

If the amount of guilds JQ, SFR, SoR, BG are getting are any indication, the exodus from lower servers are well underway. It will most likely ramp up to astronomical activity a week from the next patch.

Blix.8021:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Sovereign.1093:

some servers can fight back even with the bloodlust buff. how’s it going over yours?

You are showing us TC ticking lower despite the buff? There are many factors as to how that is not an accurate perception of the situation like, for example TC lost a keep in the seconds before your screenshot, but maybe about to cap another in a different BL. It is not an accurate representation of the situation.

TC is already back at +300, they probably just got something ninjad while they were zerging all the orbs (they currently have all 3 orbs).

Yep, balance people, balance.

Sovereign.1093:

some servers can fight back even with the bloodlust buff. how’s it going over yours?

You are showing us TC ticking lower despite the buff? There are many factors as to how that is not an accurate perception of the situation like, for example TC lost a keep in the seconds before your screenshot, but maybe about to cap another in a different BL. It is not an accurate representation of the situation.

Magnetron.5823:

WvW seasons is a good idea, but server transfer is not..

If a server sees a week before the season begins.. ohh we not gonna make it for the nr 1 reward, we need to change server.

Lets go!

And all the other ppl that also helped that server to get to lets say place 3! And spend a lot of time on it, now get punished because some guild goes to another server?

I think that’s bad

Why do you think people a moving to the higher tiers now? It cant be because they dont feel like being face stomped week after week while having no opportunity at first. I dont see how seasons is a good idea, I do see, however, alot of PvDoor.

Please be excited for WvW seasons.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Kimhyuna.1035:

#freehabib2013
#sayno2orbageddon

This combined with the seasons will cause an endless amount of tears to fall. I wonder if Anet realise how much the wvw population is deteriorating and how some major cornerstone guilds for servers are still playing only because there is no comparable mode in modern day games.

But no, please be excited for more e-Sports.

Lets see what happens when TES:O comes out with its own WvW mode and see what happens to GW2 then, i would rather pay monthly for a GOOD WvW mode then the mess we currently have, If Anet doesnt fix this soon it will be to late and GW2 will die and they only have themselves to blame EVERYTHING bad that has happened has been because Anet…

GW2 wont die, because PvE is carrying it quite effectively and I dont think many can deny how dynamic updates have been for PvE with the 2 week patch cycle etc.

But WvW WILL BE AS DEAD AS SPVP IS NOW. Thats what anet dont understand. Many people sPvP for their dailies only, for them achieve points. Seasons will enforce this idea to lower tier servers without the population or coverage. Those unfortunates will come in to do their dailies and then its off to PvE.

Server stacking while leaving many others thin is the first part. The second part is a mass exodus when something new and shiny comes along.

#freehabib2013
#sayno2orbageddon

This combined with the seasons will cause an endless amount of tears to fall. I wonder if Anet realise how much the wvw population is deteriorating and how some major cornerstone guilds for servers are still playing only because there is no comparable mode in modern day games.

But no, please be excited for more e-Sports.

zamalek.2154:

Dragona.4062:

Getting rolled by 50+ in the ruins and ofc they already have the +150 Buff.

Result: Mission failed.

Zerging is exactly the wrong way to be capping ruins, and I would be less concerned about how stupid you think bloodlust is and rather how stupid the opposing server is for attempting to do this.

Only complaint from me: the “buff changing” effect on bloodlust is quite annoying/distracting. Maybe just make it switch between 4 different colors (for 0, 50, 100 and 150) without any of the usual buff transition effects.

I am looking forward to see how this mechanic matures and what balance changes come – I saw a lot more people from AG roaming around; giving the enemy a good spanking because they were stupidly attempting to zerg the ruins. Good job ANet, this is progress (sadly you have ruined the game for GvG’ers).

Its useless if the zerging server has the population advantage over your server.

Habib knew what was right.

I find myself believing Sacrx, they just want more people in their stale sPvP scene.

No
Its a joke, the content is terrible and screams ‘the stronger get stronger’. People who arnt complaining now will be in for a shock when seasons start and the take on a server with more that enough population to take the points on all the BLs.

lordkrall.7241:

Azure.8412:

Listening to feedback is very different from responding to it. Anet is at risk of losing a large part of it’s WvW population very soon. Choose wisely, Anet.

And responding to feedback in the “wrong way” will create a kitten-storm, which have been seen over and over and over and over and over and over again on these forums.

So maybe they prefer to listen to the feedback instead of having to spend hours reading/deleting kitten people post on the forums over and over again?

And why exactly do people keep posting ‘kitten’, predominantly in the WvW forums? If we have learnt anything lately, whether you think that controversial source is credible or not, its that anet wont listen lol.

lordkrall.7241:

AndrewSX.3794:

Get out of your heads the GvG.

Listen to the vid. GvG is just the tip of the iceberg.

What Sacrx say is that every single problem of WvW that we had at launch and still now after 12 months has been reported multiple times by them more than 6 months before launch and has been ignored because in talks with Devs they said quite clearly “WvW will be extra causal has no value and we’ll take care only of Spvp cause it will be esport”. And that’s just the first thing from alpha that he unveils, because the rest of the vid goes on with that kind of news.

That is the matter.

Hm?
I have seen quite a few problems fixed in WvW. But for some reason people seems to ignore that.
It is also quite cute how they feel high and mighty enough to completely ignore the NDA they signed in order to be allowed into the alpha testing (which, as far as I know, is permanent and does not lift even after stuff goes live).

WvW was never advertised to be a hardcore game mode. It has always been stated to be a casual part of the game where people can log in and do stuff when the feel like it.

Hooray for a few problems being fixed!!!!!!!! /s Also these problems that have been fixed as you put it. How many of them were bought up in alpha and were pushed aside?

And the most humorous part about all this, the first major map changes are being met with community discord. ANET are doing a great job in PvE, but sPvP is a joke and WvW is heading in that direction.

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

Its not like anet will listen.

The only thing that will happen will be a ton of deleted threads as they try to dodge the issue.

That move to guild recruitment was obviously a ploy by ANET to encourage stacking on t1 servers.

So even ANET are encouraging people to stack to T1. luls

No, the sPvP is a joke atm. Compared to GW1, it just isnt a contest as to which had the better version.

Moon.6371:

I`m quite sad the troll posts get immediate reply, while the more serious concern is getting ignored. Devon, please answer me.

Your idea of transferring one week to a ‘most likely to win’ server before exchanging back to your original server is a good thing for anet. Why? Those steep transfer fees/profits.

Personally I wish anet would encourage 2v1 more.

DevonCarver.5370:

Oroibahazopi.9074:

Will be the only sizeable amount of achievement points I can get at them moment since the WvW ones give hardly any ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Srsly if you add PvE components to this WvW meta achievement it will be a joke.

I didn’t say PvE components, I said that they will function like the Living World achievements. They will be WvW specific and much like the achievements you see already, except actually reachable in 7 weeks. As to the total number of points, it will be hundreds, nothing like the achievements currently in place.

This is quite literally the only thing that has been mentioned so far about the seasons idea that sounds good. Although a year late, wvw mighy finally be getting some parity with pve achievements wise.

Kaos.9162:

Devon said in another thread that your rewards are based on the server you’re on when the season starts, so that should help stop people from bandwagoning mid season, hopefully.

In all honesty, NA will obviously be a 3 server battle (between BG, SoR and JQ) for the gold league or whatever, there is nothing to stop people from stacking now.

The more I think of it, the more intrigued I am as to how they can even this up, if at all.

Hickeroar.9734:

Vena.8436:

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

TON of transfers from PvErs that want to get rewards.

Article clearly states you have to actually play WvW to get the reward.

Hickeroar.9734:

He said it would be 2×12, not 4×6.

“Europe will feature three leagues and North America will have four leagues, each league containing several worlds.”

This would be 4×6.

banana.9038:

In before T1 servers are all magically “full” and all other servers are “very high” population.

T1 is already Full, and its close to impossible to transfer to the top three populations JQ, BG, and TC.

I could have sworn he said that NA would be two tiers of 12…. 4×6 doesn’t make a ton of sense since EU has more servers than we do.

In any case, it doesn’t change the fact that we would know the winners as soon as the matchups were announced.

The winners will be the server that gets the most transfers between now and the start of this league.

Natronix.9827:

Ugh ppl complain so much.

Have a little faith! Enjoy the kitten changes you all bark and beg for so much

Faith is something I have for the PvE/Living World team, that has chugged out some incredible updates. Faith for the wvw/spvp team? Yea …. no, I dont think so. I will wait to see more, but really cant get as excited for this as I do for, say, something like SAB.

playandchill.3908:

Plz Anet if you read this Devon, please confirm that players who xfer during the season wont get any reward.

You need to remove the big rewards for players who XFER in order to win OR we ll see massive bandwagon once again.

You cant make a league or whtver when players can wfer, even if they pay.

This is a total non sense.

xfer = no rewards.

Plz you can do this.

Considering its a month away, whats to stop players from transferring now? Whats to stop guilds to start stacking on particular servers now?

WvW taking a more serious direction? No, not really …. if this was true, the ‘seasons’ idea would have been more seriously thought out. PvE will continue to evolve while wvw and spvp will remain stale.

At the end of the day, why would anet combat people wanting to change servers, especially at $20 per transfer?

This is terrible, anyone not at the top of their repective tiers are gonna get smashed. This is just another way to encourage server stacking and solves nothing. I can see the monetary gains for anet from this decision though.

Rawnoodles.1398:

ESOL’s Weekly Highlights

• great fights in EBG against HzH,EMP,Choo

Zerg busting? lmao, how ironic.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

merge -> more queues for the higher tiers
NAvsEU -> coverage wars

So simple, yet incredibly effective.

Paponzi.1637:

This continuos whining is sickening. Everyone is a pro player and everyone is a better programmer. Everyone knows what’s best and everyone knows how long it takes to get something implemented. Gosh, you are not paying to play, go somewhere else for some months if you can’t have fun right now.
And Kimhyuna, just because the game does not cater for you, it MUST not cater for everyone else, right?
Gosh, I don’t know how they can bear all this crying everyday.
I’m not saying that they shouldn’t improve WvW or everything else, but the way some people behave…is just sickening.

Whining about whining is as ironic as it gets on the internet. You know whats more sickening, the fact that some people just cant take in the idea that people have complaints about the game they play. Telling people to go away does not solve the issue, and you would have to blind to not observe the dwindling population in wvw (and in sPVP for that matter).

Thankfully, PVE is in a good place right now and is incredibly profitable. Hopefully the live stream on friday will be more definitive and less about soon.

Altie.4571:

Whiners need to go. No one wants you around tbh.

I still like GW2 and it’s pretty much the best MMO out right now. I have fun.

Awesome, just because the game caters for you, it MUST cater for everyone else.

I dont think anyone can say they are taking a break … every server has taken a hit with these super lucrative farm spots (especially with the wvw like zergs in Cursed Shore). Just got back into wvw for the first time since the patch and was pleasantly surprised how close this was!

They also nerfed spawn rates in NW frostgorge. Anet continues to nerf open field farming after leaving CoF to go on for months.

Infernia.9847:

If it is account wide reward then please allow achievements to be account wide as well. Ie. Story mode is completed on your main, it’s counted as completed for all characters.

What about the WvW rank system? Why does it need to be different on every character? Or is this the wvw ‘progression’ they were talking about? Farm your 5k ranks on one character and move on to the next.

Vol.5241:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Vol.5241:

Well it’s your fault for putting your eggs in one basket. Or in other words, creating alts for the sole purpose of running the same dungeon multiple times.

If you love your alts so much, just run them on different paths depending on the need.

Wait what, but anet told us we could play the game the way we want to. There are people in this world that create alts for the purpose of reward, not everyone has holy intentions.

You can throw out that line as much as you want, but there will always be different groups of players that get shafted due to conflicting desires.

Not when most of their nerfs effect the farming crowd. But its useless arguing when people cant see anet EVER doing anything wrong, despite how much their philosophies have changed.

I invite you to find a suitable system that would benefit those with multiple alts and those that dont, or you can just sit down and take what Anet throw at you. Again and again.

Wolfheart.1938:

I don’t know, I have 1 level 80 and 1300h in the game, and I wouldn’t define myself as casual.

(This post was funded by the “farming does not equal hardcoreness” awareness foundation)

You can define yourself however you want to.

Vol.5241:

Well it’s your fault for putting your eggs in one basket. Or in other words, creating alts for the sole purpose of running the same dungeon multiple times.

If you love your alts so much, just run them on different paths depending on the need.

Wait what, but anet told us we could play the game the way we want to. There are people in this world that create alts for the purpose of reward, not everyone has holy intentions.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I can understand the desire to want to have it character bound. That feeling that you need to be rewarded for spending the time building that character with something more than just the satisfaction of doing so. I do see your perspective, that’s fine. My concern is the potential exploitation of such a system, and we’ve already seen that they players will exploit it to the max that they can if they are allowed.

I can definitely understand the exploitation side of things, but anet could implement a system of diminishing reward where the rewards would be less than that of the max. That way, they reward those who have dedicated time into leveling alts and different classes, but not so much as to make those who have a limited play time feel lesser.

As it stands, we dont know what route they will take I guess, but an account bound system simply caters to the casuals imo.