Guild Wars 2

Vol.5241:

The only purpose of alts is to run dungeons multiple times?

Yea, for me and others, it actually is.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

What about it?

I’m still leveling alts up, account bound or not. Why? Because each class is a different experience. Each one plays differently and has a different personality. Just because I get the ‘daily reward’ with my ele doesn’t mean I can’t do it with my necro if I want do. I still get the chest at the end. I just don’t get the guaranteed money.

Are you really telling me that you only play your alts to farm? They mean nothing to you except as a source of income? If so, then just wow. I really don’t understand. My alts are there because I enjoy playing them. Personally, I felt GW1 where most everything was character bound was alt discouraging. GW2 removes the stress of ‘choosing’ a main to build. Here I can simply ‘play’ and enjoy it.

Yes, I do play my alts to farm. Am I an evil person because I think of virtual characters as a way to make more capital? I am sure there are many other people out there that do the same thing (heck most days we see people switching toons after the second run when tokens drop from 60 to 20). You might play and ‘ENJOY’ a character, and more power to you for doing so, but not everyone will conform to this idealology.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Considering ‘account based’ is the trend, I am going to assume it is account based, and I am ok with that. IMHO I dont think you should be able to farm the guaranteed reward by just swapping characters. Sort of puts those that don’t have a bunch of characters at a disadvantage (and I do have several so, Im not just thinking of me here). Making it account based puts everyone on a level playing field for acquisition.

What about people who have spent the time leveling a number of level 80s?

Frog.8217:

no more farming CoF?

The farmers will find some thing new soon … (I could see CoF1-2, CoE 1-3, CM 1-3, AC1-3 speed run parties now)

Will the end-dungeon reward be account based or character based though. This could stuff with people who have multiple alts.

I think its fine as it is. The current living story was easy to complete in a couple of days and there has been nothing to do since (personally). The mini-games lost their gloss after the grinds for the respective achievements. I understand people have different oppinions, but in terms of pacing, 2 weeks is much better than a month. (I cannot fathom having this current living story for a whole month.)

Like always, SEA and Oceanic forces will determine who wins. At least we wont have to face Waha.

Dam this T2 matchup is exciting. Cant wait to see the drama unfold as the week goes on.

PainShot.7154:

Luthien.7938:

[…] told at one point to stay in a safe spot while they fought a boss.
[..] was this just an elitist group I happened to find myself grouped with? I’m really hoping that’s not what this game’s community is like normally.

Dont worry. A elitist party probably kick you at the very first moment when you demostrate dont know what are you doing and, most important, SAYING NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
This “elitist group” carry you to the end of the dungeon, give you free work tokens and full cover on death situations and YOU are here, in the forums, crying like a baby because THEY have the fault of ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? .

L O O O O O L

If that is elitist, i would love to see you being kicked hundred times from “gentle soul partys”. Right at middle of run because you DONT SAY ITS YOUR FIRST TIME; when they note your lack of all interest on make yourself useful for the group.

I love how the community of this game has degraded. In a few more years, it might be equivalent to another big MMO. Sad, very very very sad.

oxide.8324:

@Cover Girl

Explain this one

We just felt like having a fun golem rush at all the keeps. Props to JQ to stopping us after we steam rolled through various garrisons the BG Keep and EB. Was fun!

Doomdesire.9365:

I got ~40 from manning those trebs in BG garri yesterday. Never had so much fun on siege ^^

I was there on an OP supe AC. It was fun farming for a while then reality set in about how AC’s need to be rebalanced.

Caedmon.6798:

They dont have to be taken out the game completely.Damage needs to be reduced vs players ,sieges..Arrowcarts should not be the main factor of winning or losing,and wiping a zerg while youre at it.Arrowcarts should be reduced to being a supportsiege,supporting the zerg and holding the attackers off for a Bit ( not completely wiping them or making sure they wont even try to siege at all with just 2 people inside the tower on arrowarts. ).Guardians and warriors can sustain a bit of dmg from arrowcarts,but i see people with light/medium gear that will drop like fly’s,its fun collecting the bags..its sad that such a thing even exists in wvwvw.

I do like the idea of ac’s being limited per map/server,limit the amount being able to be placed in towers from a gazillion to about 3 – 4 ? Upping this number for Keeps/Garrisons.

4 people can hold off alot with 4 super carts. Would rather have a map limit so servers would need to be strategic about placement.

The game is turning into Arrow Cart Wars 2.

Support.
If they dont want to take them out of the game, reduce the max cap on arrow carts per map, per server.

Apparently a complex rating system is better than common sense. Would love for this to happen, but I cant see them going with something simple.

I dont understand why they cant just implement a 1 up, 1 down system. This randomised crap wont solve all of the previous issues without adding more crap to the heap of other problems.

Arrowcarts are pretty kitten pathetic and ruining the experiance of wvw atm. If anything place a low limit to it on a map. Being bombarded by 3 or more arrowcarts, no matter what direction, when attacking SM is ridiculous.

Seigfried.5938:

Who here wants to see DB go up against JQ? The forums won’t lack drama for sure

I hope its not SoR, JQ and DB…..I dont want to sit aside and watch the drama unfold.
Actually…

Im sure all those white knights are looking a little foolish right now.

New build in 2hrs … maybe …. just maybe…

Flissy.4093:

Rather than complaining it will segregate players

Exactly. It does. It will segregate players. Your complaining is equally ironic.
With CoF already as elitist as it gets, this feature might enforce particular specs being popular for other dungeons leading to the expectation that people WILL need a particular set up to be able to run any dungeon.

Then slowly, but surely, the games community degrades into one similar to another MMO that everyone knows about. The elitist mindset is already evident in this game, this would just push it further along. While you may not think that is an issue, many others would.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I am not sure threatening to hold ArenaNet hostage is the best way to garner an official response to your thread, but good luck to you, anyway. =)

And even if we ever do get an official response, who is to say it is even an accurate statement. Anet have ninja’d drop rates before, I would not be suprised if they did it at any given time. With the ecto issue coming to light…..

Elementalist – 80
Engineer – None, and dont plan to play it ever, thinking about playing one makes me puke.
Guardian – 80
Mesmer – 80
Necromancer – 80
Ranger – 80
Thief – 80
Warrior

Had a great time on WvW today when no siege could be placed. Arrowcarts, as is, suck.

I seriously suggest that you move to JQ. As weird as this sounds, they really need the help.

Its pathetic tbh. They can control drop rates and they have stated in a way that they control the economy to keep it feasible.

WHY are charged lodestones continually rising in price compared to the other variations? WHY did ANET choose this particular lodestone to have a load of obviously popular items attached to it? I dont see how it being 4g and potentially rising even more, is even right.

‘All of Team Legacy deserted ET for IoJ. That’s why IoJ is suddenly doing so well as compared to before.’

TL did not make us so so so so so much better. We have been the clear 5th ranked server for weeks. We are moving up as a result of ET losing its major guilds, not because of our gains.

Cant believe CD are crying, especially when they are so prone to giving up.

If they eventually do add a more solid option of making these precursors other than by RNG I would hope the components would come to a respectable price.

Some suggestions on here which have led to around 50ish G needed in constructing the weapon seems quite unfair to the people that have fleshed out well over 100g for the precursors.

I hate RNG too, and I believe there needs to be something done cos the market is inflating incredibly atm but …. asking for a set recipe costing well under what is needed to buy these precursors atm is unfair to the people that have legitimately farmed up all the gold.

And I doubt ANET do anything anyway, they want to ‘prolong’ it after all.

Celeras.4980:

I received gold for every single event but one, and got 378 karma for every completion. Did not notice any diminishing returns whatsoever. I reckon this was due to playing correctly, rather than endlessly repeating a single chain in a centralized location.

Since when did you have a right to tell players that they play the game correctly?
Is your playstyle the only viable one?

Its wonderful to finally see a response, but I am eagerly anticipating what may happen in the coming weeks.The decision on DR/Bot control in the coming weeks could break or make this game.

All I have to do a month on is look at my guild list to see 14ish/115 of the same players on everyday to know how far this game has come.

But I agree with your point about ANET and their lack of communication anymore. Community dissonance could be cured with answers to the many issues that are plaguing the game and how players can play it at the moment.

Nice info, it is easy and understandable to see why the Ele/Necro are the least satisfied class.
-Necro: Super bugged and underwhelming
-Ele: Underwhelming in PVE where lack of armour vs damage is not justified compared to other classes.

Warheart.8143:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Like with all things, we can only take our dissapointment with us and perhaps reach out to another community (like REDDIT) in the hope this issue is looked at, and that we get a word from someone from ANET.

At this very moment, the seem desperate to ignore it or to let it die, if it can ever die.

What do you expect Anet to do? There’s been 100+ new threads a day crying about Bot’s so they DR’d everything to make you run across the map or log out for a couple hours till ur DR reset.

Maybe a simple reply saying it is working as intended?
Maybe an explanation as to why it wasit was introduced 2 WEEKS INTO LAUNCH?
Maybe a reply stating that it is only a temporary fix to the botting problem so prevalent in Tyria atm?
Maybe a simple ‘we are discussing the current complaints with the higher ups and looking at what we can do going forward’?

Anet prides itself with public interaction that most MMO’s wish they could have, but why are they dodging such a talked about topic as you have stated?

If your only insight to the problem is for me and others to ‘stop crying’ about a very obvious problem, then you have already closed yourself off to any negatives the game can have.

Like with all things, we can only take our dissapointment with us and perhaps reach out to another community (like REDDIT) in the hope this issue is looked at, and that we get a word from someone from ANET.

At this very moment, the seem desperate to ignore it or to let it die, if it can ever die.

Well it seems like they deleted the petition thread.
What does this say to its customers and their ‘important’ players?

But its all subjective. You can label out the individuals giving GW2 a low score as ‘haters’, but its not like those giving it 10/10 are any better.

Is the game perfect enough to obtain a 10/10?
For the record, I would have voted 7/8 depending on mood ^^

With no answer to the topic, I have come to a personal conclusion that it is an effort to prolong the life of the game and to prolong the time a player will play.

Its sad that innovation of the whole genre has been delegated to this. There will always be grind, but the DR-code multiplies the grind and the time needed to hit personal goals.

^Wow, realistically who would ever buy them for jacked up prices? It would probs be cheaper to make it, if any do ever go up on auction.

I do hope they make legendaries account bound though. That would be innovation.

Well, I dont think magic find works with the forge, I always thought it was a drop modifier. Magic find does work though.

In terms of the precursor, they seem to be insanely hard to get now/less supply – i dont really know which. But I know people who are going strong past 100+ tries. Do it like me and buy one, it is much less stressful and just as satisfying.

Rpgtabbycat.5869:

There was a thread somewhere that someone had posted showing statistics of loot drops with magic find vs without magic find. Apparently stacking magic find boosts your chances of getting any drops by quite a bit.

I wonder if it isn’t the DR that are affecting loot drops so much as it is that no one is running around with magic find gear. Not that that would have any effect on the current dungeon bug but just throwing that out there.

That said, I think I’m going to eventually craft myself a full set of magic find gear and see how this works out. That’s a far off future plan but one that I’m interested in testing out.

Sorry for the double post. But yes, full magic find is a significant difference from normal gear. My ele is Power/tough/vit build while my War runs full magic find. The amount of drops between the two are night and day, though the ele has a much easier time tagging mobs.

Magic find just helps you hit the cap faster.

I am not expecting it to cater to my schedule, but when I bought the game, I never expected it to limit what I want to do, even if it means grinding in a zone where all the mobs are of the same type. I expected a gaming experiance in which I could play the game however I wanted to.

I am a different player to you, it seems, in the light that I prefer to be efficient with my time, rather than going around and doing something that wont realistically help me reach my goal any faster. We all know things that waste our time in real life, but do we go ahead anyway? Would I walk to the shops when I could just drive? i understand your viewpoint, but we are two different gamers.

In terms of Orr and grinding the same DE’s. Everyone in these zones, at least on my server, are mainly grinding the same chains constantly, with the occasional Grenth run every hour. There are many events that just are not being touched. We could always downlevel to another area, but I personally find this system unrewarding.

The question I ask you, in return: How effective is the DR-system in combating botting? Why does this anti-bot-code effect legit players, even if they dont play the game the way you do?

Gehenna.3625:

Kimhyuna.1035:

I am a paying customer, I have a right to post on the forums too. If these topics are not to your interest, you have the ability to ignore them. I do not go around on the ‘praise anet’ and flame individuals who think the game is perfect for them.

Yes, you have the right to complain. I do not dispute that. But what I actually asked is what you think it you will achieve by repeating your same complaint over and over again. Do you really think it will make any positive difference?

I hope to actually gain an audience to what I percieve as problems. If you look at this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Gold-missing-from-Inventory-merged/page/6
you can see the disdain I have when it comes to an issue being addressed at all. In that thread, players are being addressed in a light where they dont do the most basic of things.

I might also like to repeat my complaint over and over again, but the dual side this is that people are also praising the game for the same things over and over again too. I am not going out of my way and telling them to stick to one thread. Also note that I did not make any of these threads, and am in here just to argue with individuals who believe we are ‘seeing things’ in lieu of a better description of this situation.

In the long run, I hope we do see change because, as it stands, no reply will result in people constanly creating a topic about that one subject. I will also not give up the complaint, as I dont want to seem like I have accepted the situation for what it is.

^2% of the game?
How am I limiting myself to a measly 2% of the game when my character is almost at 100% world completion? How am I limiting myself in the game when I have played through 2 different characters to level 80? Do I HAVE to explore when I feel like I have already explored enough? I WvW when I want to, but its not like a big part of my gameplay with the latency I recieve on my kitteny computer. And most of all, PVP is not for me.

I only farm events and mobs now for one reason, to complete Sunrise. I have the exotics I want, I have the skins I want. I also have a goal. I dont see, personally, how I am limiting myself to 2% of this game only. Especially since I have experianced alot of it already.

I choose to use my time effectively because, midterm break for Uni is over, more time must be allocated to study, rather than to gaming. This is my reason for playing the way I do. I thought the point fo this game was to play it however we liked to. I thought the point of this game was for it not to FEEL like a second job like other mmo’s? Why are you trying to force me to play the game in a way I really cant (as I do not have much free time going forward now)?

^ A genuine answer from ANET.
An answer about what they plan to do going forward because, clearly, the reason it was implemented was to combat the damage of botting. A reality check is needed as botting is an incredibly common sight.

And once we get an answer as to why they introduced this feature two weeks into launch and never mentioned it leading up to release, we can perhaps get a better insight into why ANET proposed this flawed system in the first place.

I am a paying customer, I have a right to post on the forums too. If these topics are not to your interest, you have the ability to ignore them. I do not go around on the ‘praise anet’ and flame individuals who think the game is perfect for them.

Also, since when has the suggestion forums been taken seriously? The only change anet has done on behalf of its players, that I know off, is to the dungeon rewards system and that was as a result of a multitude of threads in the DUNGEON forum.

^My daily cycle:
-Log on 80 ele
-Do ori run
-Farm 3 to 4 events to cap out and to make sure DR has kicked in (normally 40mins to an hour)
-Log out
-Log on 80 War
-Do ori run
-Farm 3 to 4 events
-Log off

Repeat process every 5hrs when Ori nodes reset.
I wish I could effectively use my time to play the game I love, but I loathe the limitations placed on me in terms of how much I can play.

Dradiin.8935:

I would really hope we could get an official reply to this, i think it is more important than a lot of blindboys try to misrepresent.

I would refrain from giving them names, their feelings get hurt (i.e. calling the White Knights).

And has been stated, ANET are mum on this subject and on this supposed ‘solution’ to botting.

Soulwatcher.2604:

Lets not kid our selves here try as they might there NEVER going to rid the bot program. No game has done it in the last 13 years. But what they CAN do is drop the stupid DR system that punishes regular players and make a human bot banning team that looks into bot reports and bans the botters.

Writing a bot ban program is a stupid Idea, people make a living off these bot programs. They will circumvent the bot program in 2 days tops and were going to be back to square one!

THIS EXACTLY.
What SUCCESSFUL game currently on the market has an Anti-bot-code that effects normal players for playing the game? Is innovating the industry implementing a system that clearly does little to stop the problem it was created for?

The main fact is that Anet made this game and would want to keep its playerbase fairly happy (look at what complaining did to the dungeon token system), if they kept this DR system, people will NOT STOP COMPLAINING. This is a fact. If they removed it, how many people would actually be complaining?

Renegadeimp.8439:

DR, as has been said many, many times, is here to stay. However, it is currently bugged for a variety of things.

Where?
Afaik, they have said NOTHING about it and ninja-d it into the game 2 WEEKS AFTER LAUNCH.
Where was it during the betaweekends?

If this was a temporary solution to the botting problem, however, then I would be satisfied in the fact that it would be removed at a later date. As it stands, normal players are being punished and botting is still at large.

Morrigan.2809:

I really don’t understand why people find it necessary to spill venom all over the forums.

Yes we know there is a very vocal group shouting:

I hate DR! , My game is ruined, Anet just want my money!

There are hundreds of threads about it and people who scream and moan and threaten to leave the game and claiming the game is dead… etc ad nauseam.

If someone has the audacity to disagree they are shouted down, called a white knight or a fanboy.

The reality is that this is a very well designed and successful game.
It breaks the mold of a stagnant MMO genre very nicely and Anet is very responsive to their player base, they keep the players updated and they are proactive in fixing real issues and protecting their players.
Also to the person who suggested that because this game is B2P that Arena Net needs to keep their costs down- are you serious? Have you got any idea how profitable this game is?

And everytime we come to the forums with a viable complaint we are shut down with taunts of ‘go back to playing WoW’ and claims that GW2 is the most perfect, awesome game out there. We are given the, ’ I THINK THE GAME IS FINE SO YOU SHOULD TOO’ arguement. And if not that, we are asked to move on – which is always a favourite of players whose games slowly died.

Its a double edged sword here, you believe the game is well designed and I cant disagree? I am a paying customer and I am only allowed to post messages of love on the main boards because you believe negativity is non-existant?

And for an issue this large, why should it be negelcted to the suggestions forums where ANET rarely frequent. After all, the only thing they have changed after player complaints are dungeon rewards. Any other suggestion has not been considered at all.

You believe the forums should only praise ANET because YOU believe the game is perfect. I respect your oppinion, as you are a paying customer and you should respect mine when I bring up a legitamate complaint that many others are agreeing on. I dont go into all the ‘praise-anet-as-much-as-possible-just-because’ and flame the individuals who agree with the thread JUST BECAUSE I DISAGREE. It is thier oppinion and that is fine.

And my question to you: Why can I not be negative on the forums if I believe a feature is not fixing anything? Why can I not post about how bots ARE NOT BEING AFFECTED BY DR? Why can I not complain about how I play and spend my LEGIT time only to be punished the longer I play? Why can I not complain about how the market is already out of hand, even though Anet hired an economist? WHY CAN I NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW THE DR-SYSTEM WAS IMPLENTED 2 WEEKS OUT OF NOWHERE WITHOUT ANY WARNING?

5 star thread.
Wow did not just release an expansion because of its success, it released one for fun because dead games just can.

Algreg.3629:

Evil.9061:

Algreg.3629:

well, if you want to hear it or nor, it does not affect me at all. I have been alternating between 2 event points for the larger part of saturday and had no problems at all with DR.

Might wanna go over here and help these folks out then.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/10ogyn/anti_farming_code_is_getting_ridiculous/

a few reasonable people citing facts and a lot of outraged people expecting a yellow drop every minute, what is different from here and how does you linking to a different forum add to this topic?

So the idea that I experience this is not a fact? So because you have apparently not hit, it doesn’t exist?

Stop being so selective. I payed for this game too and at this point I feel cheaTed by a feature that was introduced 2 week’s after launch to fight a problem that has not even been dented.

^ But blizzard never implemented a feature that punishes normal people from playing the game the way they want to.

They introduced DR to limit the effect of bots on the market, but the reality is the TP is useless with many items having little value and bots still prevalent. The DR has done nothing but hurt people who play with their legitimate time.