Guild Wars 2

Physicals and Tricks skill types seem too similar in function to add an additional play style to either Thieves or Warriors.

Post Necro- Elite Spec Speculation
Lets theorycraft here. The forum is kind of crowded, so kind of hard to find good theories.

Assuming that more than one class get the same secondary profession for elite specs:

These classes would be off the list in theory along with their skill types
*Necro
*Ranger
*Warrior

What that leaves remaining are:

Thief : ( Deception, Signet, Trick, Venom)
Guardian : ( Consecrations, Meditations, Signet, Spirit Weapon, Tomes)
Mesmer : ( Clone, Glamour, Manipulation, Mantra, Phantasm, Signet)
Engineer : ( Kits, Turrets, Gadgets, Elixir)
Elementalist Arcanes, Cantrips, Conjures, Glyphs, Signet)
Revenant : (Unknown)
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Class remaining to get a Elite Spec reveal are:

*Rangers- (already has signets)
*Engineers-
*Warriors-(already has Signets)
*Thieves- (Already have Signets)
*Elementalist- (already has Signets)
*Revenants- (unknown)

additional theorycrafting:

*What if the Reaper isnt really Necro/Warrior, but is really Necro/Guardian or Necro/Ranger?

*What if Dragon Hunters isnt really Guardian/Ranger, but Guardian/Thief instead?

what that means is that Warrior and Ranger skills types could still be left on the table .

Here are Warrior and Ranger skill types:

*Warrior : (Signet, Physicals, Banners, Stances, Transform, Stances)
*Ranger : ( Signet, Spirits, Survival )

so please add more theories to go along with this on Elite Specs…

RabbitUp.8294:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/0/07/HoT_Engineer.jpg

that mask, imply heat. I assume the Engi Elite Spec will be based on that alpha weapon for them..

how about a different minion summon based on number of enemies hit?

reward the more risky gameplay.

1 enemy hit 2 jagged
2 enemies hit, 2 bone minions
3 hit, —-—
4 hit —-—-
kitten 1 abomination

depends, but likely longbow or horn.

Anchoku.8142:

War needs some interesting play. Kits do not seem like that to me.

Think about what War needs and does not need. Group healing and stealth come to mind.

Now, what might War give up a little of? Mobility or dps are options.

currently Engineers have a Healing kit. its not great, but as we seen currently from other elite specs, the Elite Spec version of the skill type seem to be better than the classes that already have those skill types.

Dragon Hunter’s Traps > Ranger Traps
Chono’s Wells > Necro Wells
Necro Shouts > Warrior Shouts

so Warrior Heal Kit likely will be > Engineer Heal Hit…

So that could mean we get tons of support skills for support role..

Are there any HoT build Cals with Elite Specs in them?

Genesis.8572:

Knighthonor.4061:

Hey everybody keep in mind we don’t have to use longbow with Dragon Hunter.
I plan to use DH with Melee weapons and using traps for Melee combat. In PvP I plan to use Traps for defending cap points with Melee weapons and defensive builds..

You’re kinda gimping yourself given how you’re losing the bonus damage of “Pure of Sight” by going melee.

Thats a sacrifice worth making for melee oriented utility skills (traps) and better defense of team.

PlagueEphlik.3067:

what about ’’tricks’’ . I guess it might seem similar to physical skills but theres still room for some more creative utility

thats the problem with many of the Thief skill types is that they arent unique enough in effect mechanics as what many classes already have.

Tricks = Physicals by a different name. dont want…

I want something new.

Wells are new to Mesmers.
Traps are new to Guardians.
Shouts are new to Necromancers.
Tricks/Phsicals are not unique to Warriors… dont want…

see I been noticing that people that leave the matches in the middle of a losing game, seem to get replaced.

But I never got an answer on how this replacement system works, because I never once been put into a game that has already started.

much different from other MMOs with instanced PvP.

Hey everybody keep in mind we don’t have to use longbow with Dragon Hunter.
I plan to use DH with Melee weapons and using traps for Melee combat. In PvP I plan to use Traps for defending cap points with Melee weapons and defensive builds..

I believe Kits can work, just need a bit more added restrictions such as some kits only have 2-3 skills rather than 5 like Engi kits.

I can imagine a new Healing kit that could allow Warriors to play better support than just condition removal…

Little confused about this mechanic since it not really explained what exactly it is. What does Tethers do exactly?

I like DS. classes that eat me like cake are Thieves… they just happen to be OP as crap..

I would be cool with Warrior getting a magical theme like Spell Breakers from Warcraft universe.

mainhand Scepter.

Larynx.2453:

Dragon Age-styled Reaver.

Dragon Knight + Blood Death Knight all in one glorious, bloody package.

somebody shoot me….

I see the kitten ation on this forum coming already if Anet gives us any Specialization with the word Dragon in the name….

smh

Druid is getting Staff,, Warrior is likely getting a 1hander, either main hand or off hand.

Turk.5460:

If you’re talking about during the minute and a half of waiting before a battle begins, then that’s just someone who is already on your team who decided to exit the game to character select, then log in on a different character. This is usually done because they decide that other character would bring more to their matched team.

If this is happening during an actual match, after the “waiting for players” has ended and the match has begun…..then I have no idea, as it shouldn’t happen.

talking about the later.

coglin.1867:

guildabd.6529:

Hammer = melee. Melee needs stability or defiance. Engi specialization has defiance.

Tell that to the revanent. It may not be as melee as you are claiming Which begs the question, why make claims with no information.

because we saw them use hammer in a melee way perhaps,,,

when somebody leaves battle, how does the system work that replaces them?

I notice from time to time, when people leave they get replaced.

I never joined a game that already started, so I am curious how that works.

Nemitri.8172:

I think shroud knight is gonna overshadow (pun not intended) Death Shroud, due to the stipulation that life blasts gets better if you are under 600 range of the target, life blast also fires very sloooooowly compared to the new shroud knight auto attack, making all the old procs super awesome now, and mediocre with life blast. So I’m going to make a simple suggestion; remove the range restriction from life blast to compensate for its shortcomings to make it a meaningful choice, do I want to blast safely from range with all of its well known drawbacks, or do I go face to face and reap (ok this one was intended) the benefits of attacking faster.

Thoughts?

DS’s skill 4 and 5 still superior tho.

Need to add more heavy armor outfits to the game for Necro.

Rate the current revealed Elite Specs from best to worst in terms of how they interest you.

Hey Reapers what specialization you going to sacrifice?

Does any of the Shroud Knight skills self root?

Woooo those cast times. I just noticed that…

Nibi.3572:

Why not have it raise skeletons?! or thralls

i don’t know I really don’t like any of the current minions

Because Necromancer in GW2 lore no longer deal with undead. Besides that wouldnt go down well with the Chinese version of the game which is already doing poorly.

Looking over the skills again, your soul is mine has a short cooldown and can get recharged fast and regens Shroud Knight. .

that can be pretty good actually. Still would have like a small heal to allied or something for nearby allies.

Yeah i am loving Shroud Knight. I have a problem with the new heal and elite and a few utilities.

Killyox.3950:

About Cooldown on Elite Shout. 180s. Am I the only one that remembers trait -7% recharge time per target hit up to -35% CD? Which (if you hit 5 targets) reduces CD from 180s to 117s.

I like reaper tbh and his skills. They don’t have to be better than other skills. That would actually hurt the class and limit options if they were. You may still want to use non-spec skills even in repear like spectral grasp, wall and so on. Specwall will still Chill opponents when you fear them in Reaper spec and thus can do more dmg with dmg on chill and chill novas procs too.

There are many mixups with existing skills in Reaper.

Problem is we have no reason to use this new elite or heal over the old skills at all. So thats really 4 new skills we got instead of 6.

Holl.3109:

The only ones I see KINDA working are suffer and the unblockable one.
I laughed when I saw the elite and heal. Stun someone for 2 seconds with a 2 sec CD? That outweighs each other -.-

It’s still gonna be wurm/spectral/CB or well meta with CC and lich/plague…

I said the same about that elite and heal. Terrible. Need revamp in my opinion.

Your soul is mine should have an additional effect added to it.

ideas i have is to heal allies nearby based on the damage and to soul link to enemies hit to drain hp from them over 5 seconds while transferring enemy boons to you.

I would like something like Bloodworms from WoTLK Death Knight beta. that heals the necro a bit on damage.

Seriously can you give Well of Blood priority over other Wells in the queue.

tired of getting this skill interrupted or delayed in the middle of a fight…

Shifu.4321:

I’d reduce elite CD to maybe around 90 seconds or so. 120 seems to be too much for what’s basically a 10 second immunity to conditions (assuming best case scenario) or less.

right now, I likely wont ever use this new elite honestly. The baseline elites are better.

Some reason when I think of a class getting Breakbar, I think of Ironman’s shields…

And Engineer is the closes to Ironman.

But now the window of opportunity is getting smaller and smaller, and few classes left to be revealed.

what you think the likeliness of Engineer getting the Breakbar is?

Our only counter to Thieves in Reaper is to tank them out like normal. My Tank Necromancer main weakness been Thieves and other tanks. But hopefully the damage of Reaper can make up for that with my build.

Zefrost.3425:

Greatsword #4 pulses AOE damage as a dark field and after like 3 seconds it AOE blinds anyone in the area.

I guess they dont want that to stack with our AoE Well Blind utility.

would be nice if it healed allies instead on pulse and blind at end.

Honestly I prefer something brand new in terms of minions from this elite.

Something with a unique auto attack that does something useful.

Prefer if it was a Minion that healed nearby allies as it attacks.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

This is too much, surely?

Reapers attack slow, and its they main form of defense against melee damage….

Warcry.8914:

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-Extend the 15% damage reduction from chilled targets to the entire party

All off the top of my head

No way… that takes away the uniqueness of this for Reapers…

Its there for us to compensate for the lack of mitigation that other melee classes get…

the AoE Poison is for heals, and reduces enemy heals as well.

I forgot what GS4 was. care to explain?

some traits are bad I agree.

I love tank Necros… my fav role…

lol spoke too soon OP…

that could be cool, but I assume they dont want to give that to all new elite specs… kind of built this way to make some classes better in certain situations.

That Necromancer Reaper broke the Twitch… that Greatsword too strong. lol

dietzero.3514:

Knighthonor.4061:

Paragon likely coming when they add Spears to the main game. No point added paragon when the weapon is long bow.

And Dragon Hunters fit, since they are similar to Demon Hunters in theme from Diablo 3…. Except we hunt Dragons in this universe.

Demon Hunters were normal humans whose families were killed by demons, and now use their hatred and training to hunt them down. Guardians are already fully trained and powered humans, who are now suddenly big game dragon hunters? Yeah, no.

Still in Diablo universe Demons are Synonymous with Evil.
in GW2 universe Dragons are synonymous with Evil.
So across universes Demon and Dragon are one in the same.

Those who call themselves demon hunters are not a people or a nation. They owe allegiance to no king. They are but a remnant – an echo – of those who’ve lost their lives to hellspawn. When their homes are burnt and their families butchered by demons, most newly scarred refugees give up on living – but a few bury their dead, band together, and swear vengeance.

Though they are small in number, hunters track and corner demons in the hopes that, if they can save even one life, their world will be better for it. At the end of a day’s hunt, most still close their eyes and have nightmares in which they see the horrors that brought them together: gore-caked claws, and men and women drowning in their own blood.

Awake, demon hunters see much the same. But, now, in the present, they finally have the power to retaliate.

They dare not dream of victory, or, even less likely, peace. And yet, they hunt. They can do nothing else.

again replace everywhere you see Demon with Dragon, and you have GW2’s Dragon Hunter. they are the same theme across universes, just as Guardians in GW2 are the same theme as Paladins in World of Warcraft just in different universes and different names,,,

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/demon-hunter/ here is the Diablo 3 Demon Hunter. Same concept. people could say all classes hunt demons right? right??

Idea of mine.

Druid gets Kits, but called Totems.

Each Totem is based on a animal creature. And it shapeshifts the Druid into that creature, replacing 1-5 weapon skills.

This way we can get some transformations in the mix, along with a range of different skill types for different roles.

yes good question

Rin.1046:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

This explains the reveal order and the subclasses:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/

The reveal order is the order of the classes, and the subclass is one of the classes in the row below the reveal order.

As you can see, mesmer got necro, guard got ranger, necro got warrior.

That means ranger gets ele, and if I had to guess i’d say that:

ele gets thief, warrior gets engineer, thief gets mesmer and engineer gets guardian.

Of course it could just be really weird luck and mean nothing, but 3 for 3 is at least worth noting.

If they are indeed following this pattern that means that necro crossed over to the warrior instead of going straight down to the ele. Therefore the ranger will likely cross over to the ele. Then assuming this pattern of straight down then cross over repeats itself, ele gets thief, warrior gets engineer, thief gets guardian and engi gets mesmer.

The more I think about that, and based on my previous post, the more I like the idea of a Thief/Guardian spec

what you believe Thief would get from Guardians?