Zhaitan actually had more than just 3 zones. But I suppose what isn’t akin to Orr (or Sparkfly) is already in-game.
Thalador’s really just nitpicking terminology that could mean multiple things out of context. If you read the context then it’s pretty kitten clear that Chong was made the Celestial Pig. I don’t know why Thalador insists it must be metaphorical for the gods making some apparently non-sentient constellation that can create sentient star-point-containing spirit-like bodies on the world – as that’s what it sounds like he’s insisting to me.
I have a thought for why, but I’m sure he’d hate me for saying it even though he’s gladly bragged it before on other topics.
Scarlet’s arc has been stated to be a filler arc between the Elder Dragons’ plots. They want the Elder Dragons to last long enough, rather than having all of these world-ending beings killed so quickly. Scott mcGough stated that there will be an Elder Dragon plot every couple years.
Given the fact that we have heard nothing of Jeff Grubb and Ree Soesbee’s involvement in the game’s plot after release, I bet they’re working on the next plot after Scarlet. We have already been told that Scarlet is a mere filly, and we were told that her story has been getting made as the LW goes – clearly little to no forethought was put into Scarlet, no more than a few months at best. But the missing action of at least two major lore writers for the company? Something’s going on in the background.
Scarlet ends in 3 more updates – 6 weeks. She’s gone by March. And come the second update of March (should be March 18th I believe), we’ll have our next plot beginning. Let’s hope for Jormag.
@Shiren: It is still not definitive that Melaggan is Melandru. And the crawl have always been presented as being a “we worship rocks!” race, even in gw1 (though not really focused on such, it was noticable in Recent Valley and Eastern Frontier). They are really the only joke religion race out there.
They have been up for up to 200 years now. And it is only just now noticeable that magic is decreasing.
But as the Elder Dragons die, the magic in their corpses will slowly seep back into the world, if they act like Glint’s corpse.
But my theory is that such a huge amount if magic is dangerous – after all, look at what massive amounts of magic can become: Crystal Sea turned into a desert (and it’s shore into toxic wasteland), The Searing, the Cataclysm, the Jade Wind, Thaumanova Explosion, etc. Magically seeped lands result in floating rocks, high rates of elementals, and it’s inhabitants easily capable of using magic (thus making the above world shaking events more plausibly normal).
It would be interesting if we keep a group of Glints (cleansed dragon champions) to regulate the world’s magic after the ED are dead.
I don’t think it is said anywhere that the steam creatures rely on coal. In fact, despite their name we only know that they are biomechanical. We don’t even know if they are actually related to steam.
They are just as likely to be springs and gears (aka clockwork) hidden by plates and grates, powered by the still beating heart of their organic core.
I know the Charr are bitter against the concept of gods, but they are a conquering people and I think eventually they will realize that they will be stronger if they have a strong being at the center of their culture, which will allow them to conquer more.
You don’t seem to get it. They already tried that. And it failed. It led to self-enslavement and sexism throughout the race.
So far, all we’ve seen the dream do is command a bunch of plants to do certain things.
And foretell the future (A Light in the Darkness), act as a memory collective, and guide beings to protect the world. And be a location of hope (White Stag), and the “pre-life” for an entire race (well, maybe not entire given Malyck and his tree might not be tied to the Dream of Dreams).
It is more than just some sort of command control for the sylvari (which is a very pathetic way to describe it).
We haven’t seen the dream actually do anything to demonstrate fear inflicting power.
And Melandru, the most peace-wanting goddess, does?
Just because the Norn consider the gods to be as “strong” as their rather pathetic animal spirits (some/one of which died…) doesn’t mean that is accurate. I personally, based on evidence of power we’ve seen/read about in gw1 and gw2, think the spirits are a joke compared to the human gods.
Why do you consider the Spirits of the Wild to be “rather pathetic” – because one died? Hello Abaddon! Hey, Dhuum says hello too. As does Abaddon’s predecessor who’s name we don’t know. And possibly more we don’t know about. The Spirits of the Wild and the Six Gods just act in the world differently, but their power as far as we have seen are on par.
As for Grenth, I just did that because it would make more sense for 1 race 1 god.
Except that humanity would always have six gods, even if the god “forsake” them, and there will never be 1 god per 1 race because the charr would never worship a god and the asura would not take any god above Eternal Alchemy.
If any god would “go rogue” it’d be more likely to be either Balthazar – who’s called a “god of mass murder” – or Lyssa – who’s called the goddess of chaos. Grenth is the epitome of justice, Dwayna and Melandru of compassion and peace. And Kormir… well, she seems to be like Grenth there.
I really suggest you look further into the lore of faiths in GW, because you apparently have a very inaccurate and incomplete view of them.
That superiority, though, was by GW1’s time, and likely for quite a long while beforehand, entirely based in humanity’s magic and technology. The gods didn’t make a decisive difference in any conflicts after they left, save only the one with Rotscale.
You mean Abaddon…? Because they certainly didn’t involve themselves with Rotscale, unless you know something I don’t.
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More of last 1,327 years now. For Year 0 until 1075 AE (roughly), it was just avatars that answered and blessed. The gods themselves have not been on the world or directly interacting (under most circumstances) for well over a thousand years now.
And I think you went and contradicted yourself by saying that they’re not helpful to humans because they’re no longer around, but would be to non-humans (implied: despite no longer being around). No one is able to contact or know where the Six Gods are, so any “siding” the races do would be one-sided (no god involved), meaning they’d be as helpful to non-humans as they would be to humans as it stands.
The gods would first have to return/make contact again.
With wings made from beautiful nebula and a tiny pair of speedos with a butterfly on the groin! Say his name with love! PAPILLON! Oh, wait, that’s also pretty terrifying.
That’s the only scary thing other than a butchery of lore mentioned in this thread thus far.
Where can you run? You think Rata Sum can just float away into orbit? Much less even sustain a population enclosed entirely within?
Into the Mists.
The constellations don’t hold souls, as they are celestial bodies themselves and it is their physical replicas (starlight), avatars we fight – they are spirits in no way. They are named after legendary people and represent various aspects of the Mists, namely the ones that became their destiny.
Ohrly?
“Once when humans first walked the world, a man named Chong embodied these virtues, and when the end of his years came, the gods wished to elevate him as a celestial animal. Because he shared those virtues with a humble pig, he chose that as his celestial form. So this year at Shing Jea Monastery, his celestial form descends from the heavens for a great feast. You should not miss it…it will be twelve years before he comes again.”
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lorespinner_Ri_So
Yes, they are souls indeed. Yes, they do descend. During Nahpui Quarter – those are mere reflections indeed. But Canthan New Year are the celestial beings themselves that descend, and they are indeed souls of the dead elevated into the stars. No reason for the other four to not be the same, even if they do not descend.
Yeah, the in-universe time will quickly get old fast.
Why?
The characters, PC included, do not age. We do. And things happen at unrealistic paces.
The only place I know is in the Defeat Your Ancient Foes norn storyline. During Twilight of the Wolf (which is secretly supposed to be a love story between a female norn, a son, and his icebrood wolf – okay, bad joke).
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And where do you see this?
Winterdays was always in December in GW1 too (maybe not lorewise, but sure was mechanicly) With the final event at 31’st December/1’st January, now there just is no final (or I missed it) so whatever.Our year might as well start at March rather than January, it is just a matter of where we decided to put it in. Infact it would make a bit more sense, since december comes deci or something which means 10 and so should be the 10th month and not the 12th.
There was Canthan newyear which is closer to spring, but that coincides with the real life Chinese newyear, dunno if you meant Canthan newyear, if not I am sorry, but if it is , it has nothing to do with extra days or anything.
The short version is that Wintersday has always been the celebration of winter turning into spring – e.g., the end if winter. We celebrate it OOG at the beginning of winter.
The Mouvelian calendar, as the gw1 manual states, starts at the beginning if spring. That is the Spring Equinox. Our (northern hemisphere’s) March 20th.
The long version: DO NOT SYNC UP THINGS THAT WERE NEVER DESIGNED TO BE SYNCED UP. THERE IS NO REASON. THERE IS NO LOGIC. IT MAKES NO FUCJING SENSE.
Yes, allcaps and bold was needed because that is how idiotic the blatant retcon is. If they expect the calanders to sync up then:
IT MAKES NO kittenING SENSE TO ADD THISE 5 DAYS SO ARBITRARILY AND TRY TO HALF-kitten SYNC UP THE CALENDARS. REDACT THAT kitten ED STATEMENT OR FINISH THE JOB. NO MORE HALF-ASSING OR kittenING UP THE LORE FOR CONTENT DELIVERY. IT ISN’T NEEDED. AT ALL.
Takes a deep breath
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Kudu was more of studying to utilize their magic. He was seeking to manipulate and copy their power. Not side with it.
I don’t think the Nightmare Court could be counted, really. In the most likely scenarios, either they are dragon minions (in a unique fashion given the lack of “Hail the Dragon!” That all risen and icebrood have) or they aren’t tied to Mordremoth at all.
The whole idea behind Jormag is that he mainly corrupts after getting the would be victims to side with him. As mentioned by a Whispers agent in southeastern Frostgorge Sound, Jormag does not corrupt to enthrall like other Elder Dragons but seduces then corrupts. And we often see Sons of Svanir as well as grawl working alongside Icebrood. Very rarely do the icebrood attack the Sons of Svanir or other worshipers.
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Yeah. I can see it being where the Order of Whispers originally find out about the Elder Dragons, as they were the first to know and tried to warn people long before even the rise of Zhaitan (originally like where that info came from, Zhaitan was the second dragon to rise, and Jormag third – so in retrospect it would be “even before Jormag rose”).
I was thinking rotting or insects like termites eating at it. Or if if was done by external forces, which seems unlikely to me, then someone just cracked a blow and pushed it over to snap in the trunk (would be hard but possible). But if it’s the latter then it happened some time ago for the trunk to begin being eaten away, too soft edges otherwise.
It’s hard to tell with your image but if you’re talking about what I think you are in the image then it looks to me like the tree broke and fell over, not chopped down.
Person, truth be told. Only CHIPS was making relations to rl – which he does all the time, and rather falsely imo. The others, myself included, were trying to point out how such relations.
I don’t really see anything that relates to the bloodstones. Nothing we’ve seen at least.
Being educated doesn’t mean they cannot be manipulated though. One step at a time the propaganda machines might slowly creep their way in.
And like I said, being uneducated doesn’t mean they can be manipulated.
But honestly, only people in the outskirts of Kryta or in Ebonhawke would believe that Jennah was responsible. And even that’s a stretch. It would be like trying to blame George W. Bush for the actions of Osama Bin Ladin during 911.
Humans aren’t stupid. Not all of them.
From what I understand, the Queen’s Jubilee was a private showing. Only the nobles and other important people were invited to see the watchknight.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Queen%27s_Jubilee
It was during the Clockwork Chaos (Queen’s Speech) that the watchknights were introduced to the public. 5 minutes later the watchknights starts killing civilians.
The Opening Ceremony was indeed a private showing, but the Closing Ceremony was not the first introduction to the populous. As the names of the instances show, they’re just the opening and the CLOSING.
Clockwork Chaos begins with the end of the Jubilee. The public still had those 2 weeks to see and get used to the Watchknights.
1…in the Shiverpeak Mountains, perhaps were we have recently seen a giant robot with killer high heels?
Nope. The marionette is in Lornar’s Pass – which is north of where Bloodstone Caves was (southern Sparkfly Swamp in GW1 though where this would be placed in Sparkly Fen is unclear)
2….in the maguuma Jungle, perhaps were we have recently seen a giant multi headed worm?
Nope. The new wurm is in Bloodtide Coast – very far from Bloodstone Fen.
I cannot ever see the charr alligning with a god. Reason is: Flame Legion. That mindset you said they might have? They already had it when humans backed by their gods pushed them out of Ascalon in 100 BE. In 870 BE (roughly), the Burnt Warband of the Flame Legion discovered the titans and for 200 years the charr as a whole worshiped those demons as gods – demons backed by a real god (Abaddon), mind you but the charr didn’t know this. With the titans as their backing, the Shaman caste and the Flame Legion ruled the other three nations and practically enslaved them. The other legions only broke that enslavement in 1116 AE – roughly 110 years prior to GW2’s time. And they have since adamantly been anti-religious as they were originally because of this, even to the point of judging charr who follow any kind of religion as being Flame Legion traitors and spies. They hold extreme misotheism. Don’t expect that to change in the duration of GW2’s lifespan or timeframe.
And on the Balthazar side, he is perhaps the most pro-human of the gods, having sought to have humanity dominate all other races and rule the world. I cannot see him siding against humanity nor growing tired of them.
You should read What Scarlet Saw as it described the Pale Tree as being “god-like” – while it may just be a tree in our world, it is tied directly to the Dream of Dreams (a very very rare occurrance – and it should be noted that the Dream of Dreams is not just a sylvari thing) as well as possibly the Mists (if the Dream and Mists are not the same despite being implied to be the same at least to some degree) and the Eternal Alchemy (or whatever it was that Scarlet saw).
The norn already put the Six Gods in whole to be on par to their Spirits of the Wild. Norn call the Six Gods “Spirits of Action” and refer to them by what they represent (Death, War, Knowledge, etc.) rather than their names.
And I don’t see why Grenth would go “rogue” – nothing would really force it to become “1 god, 1 race and vice versa”.
The asura are NOT atheists or agnostic. They openly believe in the Six Gods, and the Spirits of the Wild. They do not deny divinity. They just believe that all divinity is just greater parts of the Eternal Alchemy.
a mostly uneducated population (e.g. medieval) is easy.
The ORPHANS in Salma District are being educated. Such children are often on the lowest end of the stick just shy of completely homeless or incredibly poor for having things like education in any society.
A good amount of Krytans seem capable of reading – and you’d be surprised how many folks out there even today cannot read – and even if there’s no formal education system there’s the Durmand Priory who are known to print out books for commoners to buy and read. Reading, one of the most basic functions for learning, is a wide-scale in Kryta and the other races.
Over the past 220 years, New Krytan has become the standard writing system in Tyria and is used widely throughout the human kingdom, the asura colleges, and by the norn. The Durmand Priory set out to promote literacy and make the use of the new alphabet commonplace, so that all intelligent beings could read and understand the words that were appearing all around them.
Today, every citizen of Tyria, regardless of their origins, is given the opportunity and the education to read and understand the alphabet of New Krytan.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cultural_Diffusion_in_Contemporary_Kryta
Kryta is far from “uneducated” and is far from medieval in its education system. It is perhaps even better than our own modern education system. Just because we don’t see schools doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And if you want to see at least a miniscule part of Kryta’s education system go to the northern lower part of the Plaza of Kormir where you’ll see scholars teaching others in ancient Greek forum style – I doubt you’d go and say the Greek philosophers were uneducated as it seems that Kryta’s education system is based off of that at least in part. On top of that we can see scholars in Kormir Low Road going out of their way to educate the homeless refugees.
And even to say that the medieval era was full of a “mostly uneducated population” is grotesquely false. In ancient times people specialized in trades, during and long, long before the medieval era – Blacksmithing, tailoring, and the like. They were educated but it was akin to going through a specialized education for their chosen or determined (depending on the culture) trade the individual would learn. While they didn’t have your modern education system of “kids should learn a bit of everything and then specialize” they were far from some sort of “uneducated masses.”
And even then, uneducated is NOT the same as gullible. You can fix uneducated by teaching, but you can’t fix gullibility. (The phrase “you can’t fix stupid” should actually be changed to “you can’t fix gullibility” since that’s really what it means; sadly, stupid sounds better).
So I am sorry but CHIPS, YOU ARE DREADFULLY WRONG in claiming that Krytan has mostly uneducated people. Because most of Tyrians are educated. You would not find a single charr that wasn’t born in LA or from a Gladium that isn’t educated, you’d be hard pressed to find any asura or sylvari that isn’t educated. And the same goes for human and norn though they – especially norn – would be the most likely to have uneducated individuals amongst them but still thanks to the Durmand Priory who focus not just in uncovering lost knowledge but spreading that knowledge as well as the own cultural education systems, uneducated individuals of all intelligent races (playable or otherwise) is rare indeed. Like I said, Tyria is likely far more educated than our own modern world – pick a continent, any continent, and Tyria’s educated/uneducated ratio is likely better than what you picked.
Could the Slyvari have been created by Melandru? Reading her entry in the GW1 wiki her avatar that appeared before the humans sounds like the Pale Tree’s Avatar.
Too open ended to really be sure. Melandru being the origin is one of the more popular theories, though seldom discussed compared to a certain other.
If the Slyvari where created by Melandru, could Balthazar have created the Charr? Horns and fire and all.
Highly unlikely. The Six Gods aren’t known for creating animal races, and the charr were from the very beginning enemies of the Six Gods (by beginning I mean earliest known charr history). This doesn’t prevent it per se, but honestly the chances are so slim you’d be better off saying Balthazar’s mother was Dwayna and he is Grenth’s older half-brother (that’s actually very plausible in comparison given we know nothing of Balthazar’s mother).
Is there a god/dragon cycle? gods come, seed the planet with life, leave, dragons rise, kill and reset, gods come again?
The Six Gods are – unlike the Elder Dragons – not native to the world. Unlike the Elder Dragons’ cycle, the Six Gods only came once to the world. And messed it up quite a bit.
Did Abaddon rebel and give the mortals magic to try and break the cycle? With unlimited magic could we have broken the god/dragon cycle and dethroned the gods?
Abaddon’s motives are fully unknown but all indication we have points to the Six Gods not knowing about the Elder Dragons or at the very least just Zhaitan’s presence under Orr.
Abaddon did not try to give unlimited magic. The “gift of magic” was merely returning the world’s magic that was sealed by the Seer race during the previous dragon cycle. There would have been no additional magic than any previous cycle, it just would have come at a different rate than usual.
Is that why Aboddon broke away, was Nightfall his last attempt at “saving us” from the dragons? Was his “replacement” necessary to continue the cycle? The Margonites are immortal and cannot reproduce, similar to dragon minions, and Slyvari. Strange right?
Nightfall was purely an act of revenge and an attempt at freedom. Abaddon had been imprisoned – potentially unjustly – for 800 years by the first visible act of Abaddon plotting Nightfall. The entire point of it was to free him from his prison and nothing more. What Abaddon would have done after is fully unknown but Nightfall is a mere side-effect for freeing him (well, side-effect’s the wrong term but I don’t know how else to word it – causing Nightfall = Abaddon’s freedom).
Nothing says dragon minions or sylvari are unaging. The Margonites are unaging and are sterile because they lost their flesh – they’re literally etheric beings. Little different than souls in skin.
After we defeat the dragons, will the gods return with someone else in tow? Someone to take our(current races) place in the world?
Highly unlikely as there is no connection between the two beyond the Six Gods unwittingly tapping into Zhaitan’s magic to empower the Bloodstone.
CHIPS just has your atypical news media mentality going on here. Ignore him.
The only thing Jennah has to blame is that her employees (the Shining Blade and Seraph) weren’t good enough to catch Scarlet on time.
Sad thing is, we have no clue what exactly Logan and Anise and their men were doing (as well as what Marjory and Kasmeer were doing at the time), so we have no clue whether they were actively spending every waking moment trying to track down the source of the hijacking or if they were sitting on their hands all day.
The CEO of a company is not to blame when a low-level grunt the CEO never even heard of or know beyond a payroll went and sold company secrets to a rival company. It would be the said employee’s fault – and maybe t he immediate superior at the most.
When a nation screws up/gets attacked somehow, the leader is typically scrutinized (and nothing more) but in reality they’re not at fault. Just think of the government lockdown not too long ago – it was the Congress’ own active actions (now conveniently forgotten), but I saw a bunch of people laying the blame on Obama nonetheless. It’s an inevitable part of being leader – anything that goes wrong, is “your fault” even if it isn’t. And like I said, CHIPS just has the typical news media mentality of laying the blame on the leader even when it wasn’t the leader’s fault in the least.
The only person I can see thinking in the same way as you is Minister Caudecus, who is evil…
If CHIPS was arguing over a real-life leader, you’d probably compare him to your least liked news network. Like FOX if you’re living in America but not a blind republican.
What about Livia was untrustworthy O_o. She joined the shining blade to protect people, she’s pretty good… I don’t think anything she has ever done has been morally questionable. Yes she took the Sceptre of Orr, but as far as we can tell she quite obviously didn’t destroy the world with it or anything.
She was willing to do “whatever it takes” to protect Kryta. This included sending her men as disposable assistants to Gadd, well knowing that they could perish just for the attempt of learning from him. And as other medias show, “whatever it takes” can mean some severely nasty things, like burning a whole village to prevent the enemy from taking it.
@Konig – I could list you many games with Teen Rated content which are far more serious,
And I would not refute such a list without research. As I said in my own post, I think that GW2 can do with a lot less light humor. My point was not that GW2 cannot be with less humor or with more seriousness, but rather that ArenaNet is going out of their way to ensure it keeps that teen rating. And as such, they won’t risk tiptoeing the rating borders and instead play in the “safety zone” which is where they have. Have a dark background and setting, have some character deaths and some somewhat revealing outfits, and then make every other character a clown in persona.
My point is we need some backstory and choices. Some things which are not either bad or good, dark or bright, same goes for characters. ArenaNet tries to do something like that but without any effort. Majory, from what I’ve seen, should’ve been a character like that – I can’t feel she is.
And this is another foot-in-the-door attitude ArenaNet has.
They want to enforce your character being “the good guy” – and this was known for some time before release. They don’t want you to be the “morally questionable guy” nor the “possibly bad guy doing good deeds” – you’re the straight up hero. And to ensure that you remain this way, it seems that their solution was “make all enemies black as can be”. Something I really, really hate because at face value a player may think he or she can get behind say… the Separatists. Especially GW1 players. But spend 5 minutes in Fields of Ruin and you get “all Separatists without exceptions (except the deserters) are vile, evil, backstabbing, kitten -their-own-sister, cruel beings with no remorse” (more or less). The sad thing is that in the beginning they were going about how there would be few “unquestionably evil groups” (centaurs and krait being the two such groups listed beyond dragon minions). But yet, seems every evil group is unquestionably evil and all good guys are unquestionably good. All for the sake of “the players are heroes, good guys, and we don’t want to change that.”
And given how adamant ArenaNet were about that during release despite the outcry I saw, I doubt it’ll change anytime soon even if you got a hundred+ folks saying they want darker storytellign. Because telling them that will just produce crap like the Jubilee: “Hundreds of innocents died by the fifth bomb Scarlet lied about! Go fight Scarlet!” leading to… <Insert a mini-dungeon instance the dialogue of which is 100% glorified jokes upon jokes upon jokes>
And oh yes: facepalm
Also the fact that the three heads have been seen via screenshots and they are just slightly-color-altered Jungle Wurm heads.
Plus it is in Bloodtide Coast and Colin said in an interview a bit back that the jungle wurm is tied to the Maguuma. Well, more of slipped than said.
Hi guys,
I’ve been directed toward some preview scenes of combat associated with the new three-headed Wurm boss of the Bloodtide Coast. It appears that Flame-touched Husks are present. This completely refutes my pre-existing theory and appears to vindicate the traditional position (that Summoned Husks are Mordremoth’s minions).It looks like I am going to be spending a lot of time slaving over the oven, baking humble pie (and eating it too, of course). Haha!
Without any tie to Mordremoth for the ancient tri-headed wurm, I see no reason for the presence of Husks to validate or invalidate anything in this event.
Chances are they’ll be food like with the pre-existing Great Jungle Wurm as it seems this is meant to be an “advanced” version of that fight.
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While I would say that the setting of the game – which is dastardly dark – and the portrayal of the story – which is annoyingly comedic and bright – are quite imbalanced and the latter could be made a bit darker – not horror or blood and gore! BLOOD AND GORE! level, but darker and with fewer constant jokes/pop culture references/<insert changed term here>-O-Tron (am I the only one who facepalms at that golem?) – there is something you must keep in mind when discussing the theme in relation to the game’s rating…
ArenaNet wants a Rated Teen game. They catered the game specifically for that rating.
Silly, I know. Oh how much better the game would be if they didn’t care what the rating would end up being. But that’s how it is.
So wish as you might, ArenaNet will never do something that makes the game anything above Rated T for Teen.
The Toxic Hybrid appears to be a newly born creature, rather than some mutated beast. So I don’t think it’d even be possible for Scarlet to turn herself into such.
My take on the Metronome? It’s just a generic threat made to rhyme like the last poem, where little actually made sense to the release of the Jubilee.
Does this looks familiar to you guys?
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080625034811/gw_/images/5/53/Monument_of_Devotion.jpg
Indeed it does – as concept art for GW1’s Sorrow’s Furnace which is where that art came from before being used in Eye of the North. :P
Here are the three originals of that style, all by Daniel Dociu:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:%22Puppet%22_concept_art.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:%22Puppet%22_concept_art_2.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:%22Puppet%22_concept_art_3.jpg
As a bonus point, what if chaos magic is actually dragon magic as Scarlet suggested? Well then, all of her devices are running on dragon magic, and no one has really ever seen this kind of thing before.
Considering that “dragon magic” is the same as “corruptive magic” I would say that chaos magic, a major utility for mesmers, in of itself is not dragon magic. Ellen Kiel makes it rather clear from her side of the observations that the Inquest was doing Chaos Magic experimentation THEN Dragon Magic experimentation.
As for “never seen this kind of thing before” about devices powered by dragon magic – wrong. The Iron Forgeman 2.0 in Sorrow’s Embrace story mode dungeon was fueled by dragon energies aka dragon magic according to Kudu, its (re)creator. Kudu was rather obsessed it seems with utilizing dragon energies, and all his work was derived from Snaff’s own studies of it.
Fair point. I had forgotten about Kanaxai as there’s never really anything that links him to the Mists. Nothing but mechanics really proves him to be a demon and there’s nothing else like him but his Aspects and Oni.
Wasn’t it just said to be three headed? And that it’s body size is just the size of the zone (yes, “just” that size)?
I doubt that the Great Jungle Wurm is the same wurm as the three new ancient jungle wurm.
However this trifecta of heads has me wondering if wurms grow multiple heads if they get old enough… or is this guy just a mutation?
It’s best to think of the Watchknights as human-shaped clocks. Because in terms of mechanisms, that’s what they are. Just a bunch of interlocking springs and gears and levers, little no different than charr technology. Except that charr tech is steam powered (or so it seems), while the Watchknights are powered by mesmer magic. And charr tech is probably more advanced considering the tanks.
How Scarlet powers her Twisted Clockwork alterations is unknown though.
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As far as we know, the only way a spirit can inhabit a body is the creation of undead. And demons are physical beings, so demonic possessions are not really possible in GW.
No more than “any mesmer mindcontrol” is at least, which has yet to be done either (just telepathy).
She isn’t a demon. She’s born from the Pale Tree itself. Just like any other sylvari. This is a cold, hard, undeniable fact.
And I would say any anarchistic figure would act a lot like a demon, since that is, in essence, what demons are: anarchists.
An avatar is just simply a being that represents another or a projection of a being in another form.
In GW1, there was more than just the avatars of the gods: there were two Destroyers called Avatar of Destruction as well as the Avatr of Holiday Cheer (a tonic) and Avatar of Sweetness (another tonic). A demon is also called an avatar And I wouldn’t doubt there are more cases. Mechanically, the Vision of Glint was an avatar as well.
I would not say that just because it’s called an Avatar that it must be religious.
As stated in Edge of Destiny, she had been collecting all of the dragon blood and the spine spear over the millenia. Nothing says she had the spear during GW1.
Also note that she stated that the heroes of the Flameseeker returned to try and kill her on page 338: “Three hundred years ago I welcomed heroes such as yourselves, hailing them as the Chosen who would destroy the titans and save the world. But did they remember? Did not the very heroes that I sent return to battle me again?” (the note of “again” means that it’s not talking about the bonus mission of The Dragon’s Lair)
So she did not have the players at her desposal, and she might not have had the spine. And that back of Kralkatorrik’s – mistaken as a mountain (range) by many – looked far more solid than what a mere spear could sunder. And a failed attempt would have likely awakened Kralkatorrik – best to wait for it to rise on its own, giving her and the races time to prepare.
Plus, I imagine that if she was able to kill the Elder Dragons – any Elder Dragon – she would have done so to all of them in the 3,000+ years she was alive.
Even for me who greatly dislike the mess of lore that’s happened.
Keeping track of lore is relatively easy, you just need to not stress yourself on finer details. Like how the model of Priestess Salma changed, or where the henchmen disappeared to when it came time to travel to the Ember Light Camp.
At least the second was explained eventually. Stefan got drunk with Kilroy, Alesia went pouting about, and… forgot about the others.
From what the trailer shows, I think it looks like a crane coming through a portal or being held up by those devices protruding force fields. With that being said, the Iron Forgeman is a large djinn powered metal suit, more akin to a golem, rather than a mechanical clockwork AI capable of reforming, repairing and, combining with other allies, created in the basement by people we know nothing about(do correct me if I’m wrong, I could find nothing on the origin of watchwork/twisted and Ive never been huge on lore).
The Watchknights were clockwork mechanics shaped like humans and empowered by mesmer magic. They were never intended to reform, repair, or combine with others. The original shape-changing – turning into a quaggan, charr, bandit, ogre, etc. – was illusion magic.
The Twisted Clockwork minions are made from the pieces of Watchknights, reformed into different shapes. Scarlet altered the Watchknights adding in the ability of the Twisted Clockwork being able to repair other, fallen, Twisted Clockworks and combining with them.
So all the amazing abilities that the Twisted Clockwork have as machines comes from Scarlet and her knowledge of asuran golemancy.
@Zamalek: The issue is that demons don’t corrupt. They’re anarchists and opportunists who just seek to bring chaos. The mention of them being drawn to the living is more in reference to situations like Godslost Swamp where they are drawn to portals opened up to worlds like Tyria. They’ll make deals with those who can help further their chaos-bringing goals, such as t heir allegiance to Abaddon in Nightfall, but so far there’s been no influence of a demon altering the mind of another. The closest we have of such is Rukkassa who was mind-warped (for lack of a better term) by Dhuum (for all we have indication of).
It is important to keep in mind that demons in GW are vastly different from demons as we’re used to them. They don’t come from any Hell. They’re just creatures born of the Mists who have no purpose – so they destroy the purpose of others (at least that’s how I see their anarchistic ways). Razah in Nightfall was a demon too, so not all demons are innately evil either nor twisted half-formed monstrosities as most are (especially Torment demons).
There are also multiple kinds of demons: imps, for example, are demons. Fleshreavers seem to be as well.
Sadly, I do not. Just use one of the event timers and find one that’s near to reset, guest over and sit and watch.
I just noticed it randomly one time and was just “O.O NICE TOUCH ANET!”
They also had large flying discs of sorts in GW1 too.
Giant floating objects are nothing new nor are giant robots even for GW2 – hell one of the most anticipated dungeon fights prior to release was a giant robot . A returning giant robot from GW1 at that.
Honestly, folks are complaining just because Scarlet’s doing it. Or they just want to kittening complain.
The complaining is growing tiresome folks! Even for me who greatly dislike the mess of lore that’s happened.
kitten it, wrote up a nice response just to misclick and bam, it’s gone. sigh Anyways:
Chances of wurms in total being related to the Elder Dragons is actually incredibly slim, particularly because of the fact that they don’t corrupt anything and in GW1, there was the Chaos Wurm which came from the Mists (nothing Elder Dragon related is in the Mists except where Sons of Svanir are involved – at least proven thus far). About the multi-headed argument, this fails short because of hydras in GW1, which had three heads. And about the lack of corrupted wurms – I’d like to put my hand into the “not enough resources/time” argument as there are concept art of Icebrood Wurm by Kekai Kotaki out there.
About the means of corruption being different for Nightmare Courtiers “taming” their “pets” and how the Honor’s Voice was corrupted… that is a void argument. One of the key things about the Elder Dragons is that each Elder Dragon corrupts differently. And besides that, the Honor’s Voice was corrupted in a non-standard way for Jormag. If you compare the standard means of corruption for Jormag (corrupting willing volunteers or mentally coercing victims to agree before corrupting – only the Sons of Svanir/Sons-turned-intelligent-Icebrood (like Kodan’s Bane in that dungeon) corrupt forcibly) to the standard means of corruption for Primrodus (congealing rocks forming and turning alive in pools of lava), or to Zhaitan’s standard means of corruption (radiate magic to corpses until they’ve absorbed enough, which is near instantly when around a lot of Risen), or to Kralkatorrik’s (physical exposure to his corruptive breath), then not a single form of corruption matches. To argue that corruption-through-torture cannot be Elder Dragon corruption because it doesn’t match a non-standard means of another Elder Dragon’s corruption is a fully moot and baseless argument to be had.
To the Great Jungle Wurm not acting like Nightmare Vines/Toxic Vines – I’d chock this up towards “level mechanics” instead. Most of the wurms you’ve cited are less than lvl 30 (sans the Edge of the Mists one which we know very little about), and Twilight Arbor’s wurms at 55, and the Tower of Nightmares was 80.
About no wurms in CoE – I would argue this is because of three things: 1) They obtained their plant creatures from the Nightmare Court in Sparkfly Fen and Mount Maelstrom and said courtiers are a splinter faction (just as the Toxic Alliance courtiers are a splinter faction) so they may not have spiders and wurms. 2) The Crucible of Eternity hardly has burrow-friendly floors. 3) Not all Jungle Wurms would be corrupted, by the theory, so they couldn’t just grab a local one, and I doubt they’d be easily able to grab one in the Maguuma Jungle and ship it over to the Steamspur Mountains… though maybe.
In regards to Gamarien’s closing bit – fun fact: the Great Jungle Wurm never dies. When the event resets, unlike most world bosses that have the corpse remain and then just simply disappear, the Great Jungle Wurm wakes up and burrows back underground. So we never kill it. Ever. And Gamarien’s just wrong about the wurm being dead.
You’re trying to find reason and logic from the mind of a madman.
Does that make sense to you?
My guess – if there is any reason and logic to it – is out of practicality. The marionette seems to require being aided by the chains from whatever-is-above-it; as such, having the typical 4-armed 4-legged Twisted Nightmare design wouldn’t be practical (too many chains), while on the flip side the Twisted Mender and Twisted Reaver design wouldn’t work (due to weight). The Twisted Horror is so hunched over the chains would catch on the body.
And if it isn’t a matter of weight, we have the name: Twisted Marionette. It’s intended to be a giant puppet of sorts it seems, thus comes into play the chains. Again, the other forms wouldn’t work well with dangling chains – Nightmare could but has a lot of them, Horror and Reaver would just catch onto itself, and Mender… doesn’t seem practical as a weapon.
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I’ve kinda wondered if maybe Scarlet gifted the Watchwork Knights to Divinity’s Reach, like she manufactured them and then as a trojan horse kinda thing, “made them” for Divinity’s Reach under the guise of someone else. I mean, in the Tower of Nightmares it seemed like the Watchwork Knights were built in with a voice command protocol to go under Scarlets commanc at the right phrase.
Nope. They’re human-made.
Also the next boss is a giant Watchwork knight, during jubilee all we knew was that she corrupted them into abominations she never made the actual watchwork knights herself just morphed them, so to see a new one that is massive and not an abomination would mean that she created it.
Hardly.
What Scarlet did during the Jubilee was basically hijacked them and then programmed them to deconstruct and reconstruct into new forms. She literally just took them apart and put them back together in a new form. We saw this during the Closing Ceremony cinematic – during her speech they fell apart and recombined.
Given that months have passed since then, this new giant is likely just a case of her using reverse engineering to create a much larger one.
But vector, she didn’t “morph” them through magic, it was a voice command during her speech that triggered the transformation. The Watchwork Knights when being first assembled would’ve had to have been built in with this, if she didn’t herself manufacture the Watchwork Knights, then she at least had people in on the manufacturing of them to ensure that she could have them fall under her command with just a phrase.
Not really. The “Scribled Diagrams” found in the Tower of Nightmares shows that she was altering the Watchknights after their reveal.
It was a literal case of her hijacking them – there’s no need for her to have been having influence on the manufacturing team at all. There really isn’t a debate for that. What’s called into question is how she hijacked them after they were made and revealed.
It was outright stated by Scott McGough that her attacks on the Queen’s Jubilee were an act of a whim. There was no foreplanning in this. Queen Jennah announced the celebration and how humanity has been tested and (this would have been after the Watchknights were made) Scarlet pretty much responded with “well they haven’t been tested by me!”
Interview where Scott mentions this.
It’s a known fact that Scarlet did not make the Watchknights. What’s not known is how she hijacked them in such a short timeframe.
I figure that this deep male voice is no different than that female voice from Tequatl Rising and Twilight Assault videos.
Just a deep menacing voice to make things sound more “epic” and “terrifying.” They probably couldn’t get the female voice actor (probably busy with another gig) so went with someone else.
Though if it is someone tied to the story then yes, it’d be an ally of Scarlet. Whether or not she knows it.
I’ve always viewed it as “if Scarlet can hijack them so easily, we should not have them in the open for her to do so again until we figure out how she did so or she is taken care of.” Or Scarlet went and hijacked all of them so there were none left for humanity to use.
I would at least hope that Watchknights will be stationed not just around Divinity’s Reach but also certain major human settlements (like Claypool, Shaemoor, and Seraph’s Landing – as these do not get assaulted) once Scarlet is killed.
Rather than their sudden disappearance, I’m more interested in how Scarlet managed to take control of them so easily. Hopefully it won’t boil down to a “she’s just that great” comment (and hopefully it’ll be answered).
It’s very clear now that they’re Scarlet-related, and I’m all the more perplexed that the Order of Whispers / Durmand Priory and others aren’t doing anything about them. Not that they necessarily know that Scarlet is involved, but they should know that they’re suspicious.
In January 21st, the story partially revolves around investigating the “Mysterious Probes” (the DO NOT TOUCH towers’ new names as of the Wintersday update).
i like the deign as well, but i still do not get their purpose. come on give us info on the original watchknights, before they were turned -_-
But we got that info when they were revealed?
They’re a brand new human-made invention meant to act as new defenders of humanity (mainly of Divinity’s Reach). They’re basically meant to help out the Seraph in their fights, while at the same time meant to show the other races that though humanity has been through tough times they’re still standing strong.
I would like to note something:
The three-headed ancient wurm is called a Great Jungle Wurm in the article. The only other great jungle wurm we know of is in Wychmire Swamp.
I wonder if there might be a connection? The wurm in Wychmire Swamp is said to be a source of greater evil, yet it looks like any other jungle wurm but larger. Fun fact to note is that there weren’t any jungle wurms in GW1.
I think that Scarlet accidentally awoke a champion of Mordremoth, personally, given to hints to the Wychmire Swamp wurm. And it’s possible that all these wurms are tied to Mordremoth and we just didn’t know it (which would in turn create a larger tie between Mordremoth and the Nightmare Court).
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