Oh I know Elementalist’s don’t have a patron god but the elements themselves, I was saying that in game (Guild Wars) Abaddon is scripted as an Elementalist. Just like how Dhuum is a Dervish.
Which is far from a strong argument, since every NPC technically requires having a profession I believe. It’s likely they just picked one and went “no one will ever find out!” Then came Hard Mode with the “any NPC can drop a tome of their profession.”
Abaddon isn’t though…. He uses the male warrior dance when he serves you when everyone in the group /dances.
That’s even less of a reliable source for telling a profession.
Most male NPCs either use ranger dance – because their frames are such. Most female NPCs use elementalist dance.
Shiro uses warrior frames and dance; Eve uses elementalist; etc.
that the tengu have some knowledge of the Elder Dragons’ last rise, and are in possession of forgotten lore from those times. Why, or how? Who knows. We don’t know a lot about ancient tengu history, but if the tengu were counted among the elder races, you’d have thought someone would’ve mentioned it by now.
There was the uncounted race – their true identity unknown.
There’s no uncounted race. Five races – according to jotun stalae – against six Elder Dragons.
Though it should be noted that jotun records are incomplete at best. We’ve learned since release that karka and djinn – both intelligent and sapient, though the former seemingly incapable of communication – were seemingly around during the last dragon rise.
“The Mighty Zommoros agrees to this audience. These “karka” creatures are familiar to me. Long ago, such creatures dominated the sea. They swarmed up from the depths, over shoal and shore alike."
→‘What do they want?
_"Who can say? *They haven’t been seen since the world was emptier and the continents held a different shape.* You must ask the aquatics, those that swim and have swum since ancient times."_
Given that all reliable records of jotun history say they only spread across the Shiverpeaks, it’s likely their own records of survivors of the Elder Dragons extends only to the continent of Tyria. So races not on continental Tyria could have survived as well – as well as Elder Dragons never reaching Tyria or Tyrian races. Though the ED part is less likely, given the jotun’s mythological records of a “sextant of swallowers” destroying the world multiple times.
Because time hasn’t moved on. It’s been a year in reality, but remember that all story-driven game live in this strange limbo. When a true expansion comes out that’s when time moves on. Possibly by a few years.
Not really. It won’t move on until ArenaNet touches it. I mean, Kessex Hills can be argued to be stuck in two timelines – as can Twilight Arbor. But it’s a pointless argument because ArenaNet seems not wanting to forcibly push things past the Personal Story.
It stands to reason that the star would have certain properties to be aware of. A prophecy of any form would certainly be aware that Zhaitan would be the first to be fully let loose. Also keep in mind that a prophecies about a specific stars usually go into some detail about their appearance.
I think Primordus and Jormag have fairly “fully let loose” already, what with an army of destroyers pushing asura, skritt, and other subterranean races out as well as battling an army of dwarves; and Jormag’s continuous push south that’s only slowed by kodan.
Zhaitan’s attack was just felt by all races first because of his proximity and the pure coincidence that an entire nation died on top of him.
And prophecies are – as I said – very, and intentionally, vague. The Flameseeker Prophecies, for examples, were mistaken to be referring to Turai and Palawa in the past. And if you look at what’s known, you can say it refers to Zhaitan and the GW2 PCs/Trahearne.
Considering that PT/Trahearne have cast that cleansing spell – you never know. If the Tengu playable race (or more NPCs) do happen at some point in the future we may learn more; but at this point in time the amount of content we have forces us into conjecture – and I think this is a stellar (haw haw) attempt at it.
Last time it took two gods to cleanse Elder Dragon corruption. The closest we got other than that was removing the fanaticism aka mental corruption of minions. There is no way in all that is holy or not for the tengu prophecy to be able to know that a race would be born and be able to cleanse dragon corruption, let alone just a means to cleanse corruption would be found.
I never said it was a water stream… I was using a comparison to a known event where someone (Trahearne/Zhaitan) uses a magical location that spreads out (Artesian Waters) to utilize its magic (anti-corruption ritual/corrupting).
But if it’s underground, it goes through something. Even air – even if it’s above ground. So you dig to that spot, and in that “metaphysical river” you collect magic via various possible means.
Magic is part of the world, so it isn’t in some “plane parallel to ours”. It’s part of living beings and the world itself. Magically concentrated areas affects the landscape (it’s why there’s floating rocks in the Tarnished Coast; it’s why the Maguuma’s waters had healing properties in GW1; it’s why Orrians were magically advanced; it’s why elementals naturally form). The ley lines would basically be the most magically concentrated areas of the world, in the form of lines.
And if it’s part of the world, and if it can be conducted, then it is possible to go to the location where it’s highly concentrated and collect/alter it. It won’t be some stream or some pocket of ore veins. It’ll be part of the soil, air, or whatever physical is there.
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It’s thief – he uses the fifth thief shortbow skill to shadowstep about.
Really loving all the sleuthing and theorycrafting in this thread. You people are awesome.
i don’t assume you could give an end to our journal date conundrum, could you? not even a hint? :P
You’ll actually find your answer in the game soon.
Translation: We’ll get our answer with Edge of the Mists, that comes next week.
Well the only thing I can think of is the Abbadon was an elementalist. He’s dead but whose to say he can’t revived
…Abaddon wasn’t an elementalist.
There’s a common misconception that people believe the gods are the profession for which they’re the patron deity for.
Elementalists, however, don’t have a single patron deity. Certainly not Abaddon, who did not control all elements – just water. His magical “Devoted” in his temple are mostly mesmers (with some thief and necromancy here /there). I don’t think there was a single elementalist among them.
Yeah, context is needed. Where can this be found in-game for others to see in person? Whom is this terminal related to, if anyone? What does the terminal look like? Etc.
“this thing that just is” can be the description for anything and everything.
There are materials out there that are magically conductive – little different than how there’s material that’s electrically conductive, or heat conductive. Gold, water, some other metals are all magically conductive.
It is possible to tap into the highly magical Artesian Waters, and Trahearne used this to spread his “cure” to Zhaitan’s corruption. So I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible to go and place, say, golden rods into this stream of magic to conduct magic. I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible to go and have a spellcaster draw from that magic. It’s likely dangerous – highly dangerous – but it should be possible. After all, that’s what spellcasters do away from ley lines. That’s what the Elder Dragons do. That’s why Thaumanova exploded.
I always assumed that the claims that they ate humans to begin with was propaganda – the charr leader telling the tale of Stormcaller to the cubs on the Perimeter Loop of the Black Citadel claims exactly the same thing about the humans, which
- Tells us that charr are repulsed by the idea of humans eating charr (and so, presumably, are repulsed by the idea of charr eating humans), and
- Reminds us that claims of cannibalism (or whatever you’d call it, since humans and charr aren’t the same species) should be taken with a grain of salt.
Not unlikely. But do keep in mind that as I said, you can find a Flame Legion cook book on how to cook humans. And then there’s:
“I spied some Charr a few days ago dragging a sack into their cooking tent. A wriggling, talking sack. What do you make of that?”
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Vael
I never said the star reflected the death of Zhaitan – I said that the star’s light wasn’t visible from Tyria until Zhaitan’s death (that is, presuming that light travel works similarly in the GWverse, but even if it’s more instantaneous, the star didn’t form until Zhaitan’s death).
I don’t think it’s possible to misinterpret the line from Varra:
The stars only indicate the passing ages. They do not determine events here.
The stars do not determine the events on Tyria. They only indicate the passing of the ages.
The two events – the formation of stars and the risings of the Elder Dragons – coincide in the passing of eras, both happening 10,000 years at the same time. That’s what Varra is saying.
There’s no other way to interpret that, honestly. Even add in her earlier lines of “the appearance of the Elder Dragons is reflected by the stars” when added with the above line does not change the meaning. It’s an odd wording – perhaps there were two ideas going on as the dungeon dialogue was made – but with the latter the meaning is clarified greatly and shows: the two events (formation of a star; rough beginning of the ED risings) occur at the same time.
And the forming of the one star in no way indicates that it’s one star per Elder Dragon. For all we know, Mordremoth could already be awake. After all, when Primordus was pushed back 50 years (roughly), there should have been another Elder Dragon waking then. And given the whole 50-year waking thing, with Kralkatorrik’s waking 5 years prior to when the star’s formation is seen, it would be another 40-50 years before Mordremoth should awaken so that’s an odd time for the star to form if it were to be foreshadowing Mordremoth (thus, if it is a 1 star forms per ED, which Varra pretty much states is not the case, the star we saw forming is more likely to be for Kralkatorrik rather than Mordremoth).
Now, let’s just presume you’re right and her later dialogue after your quoted dialogue is wrong in that the stars “do not determine the events” of Tyria.
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Magic, as we’ve seen, exists around it. You dig to where that magic exists (a sploch of land, an underwater stream, etc.), then you tap into the magic from that spot.
That’s how I thought it.
This is an amazing discovery! The jotun’s sky-sweeper shows a stellar match with the last time the dragons awoke.
-> What does this prove?
It shows that the awakening of the dragons is a natural and cyclical thing. The stars only indicate the passing ages. They do not determine events here.
-> When did it last happen?
Around ten thousand years ago. You know what this means? The Elder Dragons may have been responsible for the extinction of the Giganticus Lupicus!
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Varra_Skylark
The star didn’t form until after Zhaitan’s death. They do not form for each Elder Dragon rise, but 1 star forms every 10,000 years. Formation of the stars hold no direct relevance to the Elder Dragon rising, they just mark passing of ages like clockwork and the Elder Dragons just happen to rise (shortly before) when the star’s forming light reaches Tyria.
Of course, Varra may be wrong as the time between this and the previous rise is not likely to be akin to older risings as the Seers and Six Gods likely screwed up their timeframe for waking/sleeping – what with the Seers making the original Bloodstone and starving them into hibernation, then their food suddenly skyrocketing (Abaddon’s gift of magic).
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You are right, it took me a while to notice the discoloration. See the green arrows I drew on the image. The darkened areas do not correspond to the water exactly, especially where the edges of the holes in the darkness are covering substantial parts of the southern islands. I would be interested to know if that small splotch in the north (which I forgot to mark) is in Dominion Killing Zone. This would explain connection to the destroyers.
The northern unmarked one is over Godslost Swamp.
The western one you marked is over Viathan Lake, where the TOwer of Nightmares was.
Sure it wasn’t Matthew Medina in his swarm of answers on reddit?
I should put this on my business card. “Content Designer and Answer Swarmer”
“Barefoot Content Designer and Answer Swarmer”
Without that, it just doesn’t say “Matthew the Medina.”
I’m sure there’s a flame legion charr somewhere baking some fine human ribs.
There’s books of the Flame Legion, I think in Sunken Halls of Clarent on the hill, one of which is something along the lines of “A hundred ways to cook human.”
Er . . . I never did ask what meat they were using in that stew of theirs. Hmmm. Excuse me, I need to have a talk with some Ash Legion.
Modern charr – sans possibly Flame Legion – don’t eat sentient beings anymore.
The Personal Story begins and ends during 1325, before Halloween at that (which is sometime during fall even in-universe). According to Occam, from the story step “Forging the Pact” to the second instance of “The Source of Orr” is a course of “several weeks” (this likely means somewhere less than 3 months – and keep in mind that during the course of the few “Fear” chapters in the personal story, Fort Trinity is built atop ancient ruins that barely stand). There’s a norn in Wayfarer Foothills that mentions he (or someone with him) couldn’t make The Great Hunt (the tutorial) because of a winter blizzard – indicating that the beginning of the norn storyline (if not all) happens in the beginning of 1325 AE (note: the Mouvelian calendar’s new year is technically the first day of spring, so the tutorial may even be at the end of 1324 AE).
The Lost Shores was officially stated to occur post-Zhaitan’s defeat, and though it’s not entirely clear Thorn’s appearance was too, it is most likely. Since then, the Living World has been synced up EXCEPT for the placement of Wintersday (as we celebrate it in the beginning of winter, to coincide with our Christmas and New Years, when Wintersday itself is Tyrian’s New Years day). You pretty much just have to believe that their shifted forward in seasons by about 3 months with ArenaNet’s kitten attempt at “syncing” the calendars (Gregorian and Mouvelian) which I still say is a fully idiotic move to attempt just for the sake of the Living World.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/audio/I-like-new-Scarlet-s-voice/first#post3563223
Possession seem more reasonable thanks to this little fact, or just madness?
It could be schizophrenia too.
My guess is that it is her voice as she falls victim to the being – not as Ceara, but in her early life of Scarlet Briar.
I’m not questioning the credibility of the claim, I’m questioning whether or not the theory of active possession is any more valid given this vague information (as opposed to possession by corruption).
Depends really. The comment is so vague that you could say that she slipped and banged her head, giving a new speaking style, tone, etc. when she woke.
The only way for Abaddon to return will be if he somehow manages to take over Kormir.
<player name>: “Kormir?”Might have been a different inferview then but!
“So it wasn’t anywhere in Tyria, it was, it was in her own head, and it remains to be seen how, how much of that is actually accurate and how much of that is just her broken psyche.”
Still, I explicitly recall a “she didn’t see what she thought she saw” line somewhere from an interview.
Ah yes, checked and it was Matt:
A: Sadly this is probably just down to poor communication on our part. This was meant to be a reference to the various pairings of flame and dredge throughout the release, and specifically an attempt on our part to foreshadow the Berserkers and Firestorms. We don’t meet the Order of Whispers agent because they’re ninja like that.
-Scarlet is trying to find something or someone in the mists given the latest details that she’s gonna be in the Edge of the Mists
One of the articles about the next update states that Scarlet and her Aetherblades is heading to the Edge of the Mists to prepare for her final plan. This may have nothing to do with finding the source of the whispers and nightmares. And even then, going into the Mists to prepare doesn’t mean her final plan will be in the Mists.
-We know he allied himself with Abbadon and Malzier ( I think his name was that), the somewhat twin brother of Balthazar.
Abaddon and Menzies.
What’s with people calling him Abbadon anyways? It’s Abaddon! 1 B, 2 Ds.
@Bruno: It’s pointless to continue the discussion, as we’ve exhausted all evidence and support at this point. The change in voice tone could be an indication of over a dozen things, truth be told, and can be used in support for either side.
Sure it wasn’t Matthew Medina in his swarm of answers on reddit?
It sounded like one of the Shing Jea soundtracks to me…
Nah, she’ll return to the Fractals of the Mists as a April 1st only boss fractal that replaces the bosses of the three boss fractals (so instead of Jade Maw, Berserker/Firestorm, Mai Trin/Horrik, you get Scarlet in those locations).
To use your own argument against you: It’s a video game. The developers might not have kept in mind that some timespan would happen between the entries and that it’d be weird to spread the password hints throughout these supposedly spaced-out-by-time entries.
Then again, how can you fathom about trying to apply reason an logic to an insane mind?
In the end, you can neither confirm nor deny that the placement of the password holds sway over when the journal is written. And we are back at square one – we cannot tell when the journal is to take place, simply because there’s no good timetable reference.
I always took that line to be talking about typical Depths of Tyria wildlife – oozes, murrellows, and the other things fought at the drill part of Molten Facility’s beginning.
Honestly, I’m now pushing to the most recent and plausible sounding theory I’ve seen: Dhuum’s the voice driving Scarlet insane.
But I may just be good-god-deprived.
What he said was “she didn’t see what she thought she saw.”
She thought she saw the Eternal Alchemy.
1+1=2
Nah, gotta dismember her into six boxes – one per arm, leg, head, and abdomen – then cremate each box, then with the ashes still in the boxes, submerge them into six different impossible-to-get-to places such as the Great Imperator Smelter or w/e it’s called in Black Citadel.
’cause the diary takes place in a really, really long span of time.
Source. All we have for timespan is that several nights happen between the first and second. This whole journal can easily take the course of a single month, or even half a week if Scarlet is a person like myself where even mere hours can feel slow when in the present.
do i really need a source? like, really? that’s just being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn now. any person with the bare minimum reading skills can see that these journals entries weren’t written within a day of each other.
and hell, even if they were, it still took her 5 days to write down the password. a password that she needs to have written down somewhere lest she forgets it. despite all the other crap i explained on the post.
and you’re going to call BS on common sense because i don’t have the dates?
My point that you completely missed is that your exagerating and/or using terminology that can be easily misinterpreted.
“A really, really long time.” How long is that? To me, “a really, really long time” means about a year if not more in this kind of context. But honesty, I’d say the journal lasts no more than 3 months. Maybe 4. And that’s stretching it. Each line that gives any hint of a timespan hints at only a few days – a week tops – having passed since the previous. That would put the whole journal at 1-2 months.
Do we know if Grenth was one of the gods during that battle? Or was Dhuum still the god of death? I don’t see why Dhuum COULDNT be what’s in the mists though.
Grenth’s scriptures mark his rise to godhood as no later than 48 BE. It’s unlikely Grenth was not present.
1) Mostly as Malafide said, except that we do know why the spirits have entered the world. Some time ago, a necromancer attempted to force her way into the Underworld and made what seems to be a blood ritual to do so. However, after opening the portal she could not close it and the journal from said necromancer, it’s said the portals were growing stronger until night came… where the journal ends.
It’s also explained that the numerous adventurers going into the Mists from Temple of the Ages (aka the GW1 players going to the Underworld/Fissure of Woe) weakened the barrier between Tyria and the Mists. This is what allowed the necromancer above to open her portals in the first place (and what drew her there).
2) The Inquest, Nightmare Court, and Bandits (some – or all – are backed by the White Mantle) are there mainly because it’s wilderness and it’s out of the way, away from prying eyes. They are also there to form an alliance (dubbed the Sinister Triad). The Seraph are there investigating rumors of White Mantle in the area. All of this is explained by talking to heart NPCs before completing the hearts (sometimes after too).
By supernatural presence, are you referring to the southwestern corner of Toxal Bog and the like? The teleportation is caused by Thaumanova Reactor’s explosion just south of it, with an energy course of it having been moved to an Inquest lab just north of Toxal Bog. If you mean something else, you’d have to elaborate.
3) As Malafide said. It’s a “we will learn later” thing.
4) It is said in an interview that Scarlet literally did the whole Queen’s Jubilee stuff on a whim. She had no prior thought of doing such, but saw Jennah mentioning that humanity has been tested and basically went “well not by me you haven’t!” and caused havoc. I doubt she had any real plans for Jennah other than making her the target of her attack for “testing humanity.”
5) If an Elder Dragon is behind it. And maybe it doesn’t? Maybe Scarlet just made the armies on her own terms. Or if it does – an army to corrupt upon awaking is good to have when there’s an anti-Elder Dragon army out there. Honestly though, I think that Scarlet’s out to hinder the Pact – first by attacking its supporters (all but the Orders have been targetted of the Pact’s main supporters – norn, Iron Legion, Lion’s Arch, and Queen Jennah’s supporters). Maybe it’s all three.
6) She didn’t see the Eternal Alchemy. Though never brought up in-game because it wouldn’t make sense and Scarlet does believe she saw the Eternal Alchemy, it was stated in an interview that she “didn’t see what she thought she saw” – so she didn’t see the Eternal Alchemy. As for what the voice was… we just learned there was a voice. Who it is will likely be answered later (maybe not even before Scarlet’s death).
7) As far as I know, this is a 100% mystery.
8) It doesn’t. Not directly. We learned Scarlet was there, but it’s only the Thaumanova Fractal that ties into the Living World story. It’s possible that Kiel will return to the Thaumanova and Inquest plot, but as it stands, not likely to happen until Scarlet’s defeated.
9) As Malafide said. And it would have tied in by Evon’s interest in it. How far that interest would go is pointless to speculate because it isn’t going to happen. Well, I suppose it’s possible to still happen if we nag Anet enough. But it seems people prefer complaining about Scarlet and not doing anything but complaining about Scarlet.
Who isn’t, Bruno? They’re so topheavy you just want to help make them more balanced. <3
Jeff Grubb explicitly stated that Abaddon (Not Abbadon) is dead and that his story is closed. John Stumme also stated that his story is closed, elaborating that they don’t want to dig the lore “deeper” by making everything tie into one point, but making it “wider” by having even more, and separate, stories in the same world.
We aren’t returning to Abaddon.
The Lake was also full of sharks last time I went there- thought that was a nice touch
That was like that before, though now there’s fewer krait I think – except in the cave itself.
It was definitely part of the Nightmare Tower team’s plan that we would return to that map and show the progression of the cleanup efforts. I can’t say what the timetable is for that, as it’s mostly an environment art task, but I’ll try my best to keep it in the discussion when we’re talking about future content releases. :-)
Just so that this is kept in mind as well: Aetherblades have a base in the open world, the jumping puzzle in Gendarran Fields. That should receive some “alterations” as time goes on and Scarlet’s alliances disband/get killed off.
And if the alliances are kept, I would love some non-story updates to the Ascalon/Shiverpeak areas where the Molten Alliance began. Just a case of “they’re used to working with each other and seeing the benefits of such, so even with Scarlet gone they decided to keep working together.” Or who knows, mahybe the MA will be the first of the alliances to fall – with in-game mention of such.
I know this isn’t the suggestion forum but still, would love to see Red Auld Warf rebuilt using the limber from the Tower of Nightmare’s roots and fallen debris. (I’m sad we heard nothing of the Old Man…). Perhaps with Webb Daukins returning to the Seraph in the town.
But I’m glad that you’ll work on progressing it. I hope there are plans to subtly progress other zones and effects too…
It would be cool to see Charr/Asura team up to produce a water purification system. And then there could be renown hearts or DEs that revolve around protecting/maintaining the system. I think there’s something similar to this in Ascalon.
Charr have water purification systems already, no need for teaming up. And please, no hearts no that. It’d be just the same thing as the Diessa Plateau northern lake and the Fierheart Rise southeastern lake hearts… And events…
Honestly? I never saw a “three pronged tail”. Or any tail in that design. Who said it’s meant to be a full dragon? Where are the wings? It’s likely just a bust drawing.
Besides, didn’t Jeff say that an Asura wedding ceremony hasn’t ever happened?
“I don’t think we’ve had an asura wedding ceremony yet.”
He was saying that there’s none shown in the games or novels yet. Not that asura have never had a wedding ceremony.
Given what Rytlock told Rox in the instance in this update, I don’t think she would allow Scarlet to walk away.
I’d kill her. She’s too smart and dangerous to keep alive. Plus all the unexplaining/lorebending/breaking she does… best to kill her. Boom headshot style.
It’s just a well-known fact that Ree Soesbee and Jeff Grubb – both of whom have written (or in Jeff’s case, highly edited) one of the three Guild Wars novels (per) – are the main “Narrative Continuity” (I believe the term was) writers working in ArenaNet. Both having been in the company since Guild Wars: Nightfall.
Not that it’s expected everyone to know such, but typically if you look at lore discussions long enough, you’ll typically come across seven names of Anet developers: Jeff Grubb, Ree Soesbee, Scott McGough, Angel McCoy, Matthew Medina, Bobby Stein, and John Stumme (typically from most commonly heard to least).
Asura do have weddings:
“A Norn wedding is all fine and well, but if you want to see a real party, you should see an Asuran wedding! No one is allowed to leave until a precise calculation is made for how much love is in the air. Nothing says ‘I love you’ like complex algorithms!”
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Vekk
’cause the diary takes place in a really, really long span of time.
Source. All we have for timespan is that several nights happen between the first and second. This whole journal can easily take the course of a single month, or even half a week if Scarlet is a person like myself where even mere hours can feel slow when in the present.
So, there has never been an Asura marriage in history? Ever? Wow.
Er… you should re-read the answer. He was explaining what a marriage for asura is. That is, that there are such. Though it’s just treated a bit differently than humans.
Jeff made asura marriages to sound more like a contract to be honest… But there’s supposedly emotions such as the mysterious one called “love” involved.
That raises further questions of what happens when an Ogre dies? Do the other Ogres simply leave the body where it fell and speak no more of the dead individual? Or are they morbidly pragmatic and ritually consume the dead/feed them to their pets? (I’m more inclined to believe the latter.)
I think Edge of Destiny features a chief having a funeral for his son.
Congratulations, wookalar, for bringing up something so painfully obvious it hurts that we all overlooked it.
The very first line includes the first letter key of O for the password, so that, at the very least, much be post-going to the asura. Even if this was as Ceara and before the experiment, it was 2+years after Ceara had left the Grove to supposedly never return.
But given that it is for a password of her lab under the Priory, it has to be written after making said lab/lair and the console. Given that everything in it is modern-Scarlet based, it’s likely that the dairy is fairly recent, and certainly post-experiment.
The only counter to that would be “she altered the diary well after she wrote it.”
Khorthall, if you note, I linked to the shard at the end of that path. :P
As to it being alive. I don’t think that was the case. Randall was going insane and during the fight turned transparent red. I think he was controlling it to mimic the five priests’ abilities.
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The thing that separates humans, charr, etc. from the mursaat is that what you can label as evil for the other races are to specific individuals, while the mursaat? All mursaat waged war, betraying the Seers, and then all mursaat fled the world rather than using their effective magic against the Elder Dragons. All mursaat came back only to form a cult and all mursaat sacrificed thousands on the Bloodstones to seal the Door of Komalie just to keep their own race safe.
The mursaat as a whole are selfish to the point of easily willing to kitten anyone for their own survival, even if it means wiping out a race or leaving a world to the Elder Dragons to consume.
Unlike most races which are “most individuals are good/neutral, but there are evil ones” the mursaat are more akin to the krait – “most/all individuals are evil, but there might be some good or neutral ones here and there, we just haven’t met them.”
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I would take that as mechanics first and lore second, given the husks fighting the wurms would only make this “mass zerg content” less needing of a “mass zerg”.
1) What exactly is the plot idea behind WvW? Thus far, just about everything seems to be forced into some part of the story, regardless of how mechanical the additions are. But when it comes to WvW, it’s just “go in and fight these evil forces!” Why are the other servers depicted as evil and what is the story view of the other servers – are they other dimensions/realities, or are we to think of it as something different (not other Tyrias but other worlds that just happen to have charr, norn, asura, sylvari, and humans)?
2) What’s with the statues of Balthazar on the walls of the WvW fortifications?
3) Who are the Mist Defenders, exactly, and why do the Zaishen no longer have a role in the battles within the Mists (like they did in GW1 and hinted at having in The Movement of the World)?
4) Will there be more maps in the future that are part of WvW proper rather than being for overflows like Edge of the Mists?
5) Is the Desert area of Edge of the Mists suppose to allude to the Crystal Desert? Does this hint to having the Crystal Desert as future content?
6) Will more unique objectives and means to complete them be added into the old WvW maps akin to what Edge of the Mists have? Perhaps something akin to guild puzzles?
7) Why does WvW map completion attribute to the world map completion for the achievement while Southsun Cove does not (yet other permanent PoIs/waypoints/etc. do)? Was there a conscious design choice to this? Why not change despite the relatively frequent requests to do so?
8) Will the story of WvW ever become a focus of the Living World? Or will the Living World’s involvement into WvW only be limited to things like the WvW Seasons?
Yeah, I know I mixed in some “lore of WvW” but WvW is WvW, even WvW lore! :P
(edited by Konig Des Todes.2086)
The issue is the skin – which didn’t translate from the concept art (concept art is just that – concept; not canon). The skin is solid and clearly a singular mass. Which would mean the “true form” would be the “combined” rather than the “magical core/vortex” theory.
Then there’s also the fact that Zhaitan comes off through actions and corruption more of a dragon of decay than a dragon of undeath.
@Jaken: That theory isn’t really that far fetched. Nor is it really new. I had similar theory after reading Edge of Destiny. In the fight with Glint, Kralkatorrik turns into a literal sandstorm, and Glint via narrative describes him as a being that is “more magical than physical.”
It was thus a theory up until we saw Zhaitan, especially given the final concept art design of Zhaitan, that the Elder Dragons are really just magic made sentient, and their bodies are formed out of their element – and as such they can get “rid” of that body, separating it into crystalline sand-sized shards, or a swarm of corpses (effectively becoming like the Locusts necro elite), etc.
Zhaitan in-game though rather debunks the theory somewhat, given that while it has multiple limbs (especially heads), it doesn’t really look to be a bunch of corpses compressed together or the like.
And speaking of a Lupicus… I really want to fight a Destroyer Giganticus Lupicus when we go after Primordus…
Being vengeful is not the same as being evil. The mursaat are depicted as selfish to the point of willingly wiping out multiple races. There’s a pretty big difference.
And the seers did go into hiding from the Elder Dragons, rather than the mursaat, if you were implying the opposite – Glint was the one who hid the seers, alongside the jotun, Forgotten, and dwarves. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Ruined_City_of_Arah_%28explorable%29#Forgotten
As to the seer knowing of the titans… Whether it knew of the titans behind the Door, it knew what titans were and seemingly seen them before.
Ancient Seer: “Unchecked, the Titans will rend Tyria asunder. Stopping the Lich is the only real way to defeat them. But there is more to this problem than you know.”
Ancient Seer: “Among the Titan horde are their champions, the Armageddon Lords. If they are not stopped, these demons will surely bring an end to both man and beast. Most likely, the Lords will be the last ones through the portals that have been opened.”
Ancient Seer: “I wish to see this to its end. Over the eons, much has changed in Tyria. But not these Titans.”
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hell%27s_Precipice#Intermediate_dialogue
@Thalador: That was my thought on Earth/Discs of Chaos – just weapons of destruction made straight from the earth.
For Hope, it reminds me most of dryders.
@ ElysianEternity: How do you get wurms from a bunch of slivers of burning rock (Earth)? And how do you get this out of this? I guess I could see how you get behemoths out of the Hordes.
@LunarNacht: Hmmm. Ettins legs don’t look like the Destroyer of Bones. I think I’d be more inclined to go with grawl from what Thalador said. Or just simply a race we don’t know about – remember, the previous dragonrise supposedly wiped out almost all life.
Talking about knowledge….
Seers were defeated by the Mursaat, they are hiding since then. The last Seer that played a role in the modern history helped Zinn (we are not even sure, maybe Zinn only found some technologies belonging to them).
Mursaat are well defeated, the few survivors of the Komali Gate were distroyed during the battle for the Lion’s Arch. As far as we know, 4 for them are left and the last time Anet mentionned the Mursaat it was AGES ago. So they my pop from a flower and participated somehow to some events but I highly doubt that they would play a main part.
Technically…
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