Guild Wars 2

Luquatic.3825:

Vol.7601:

I’m no lore buff, but why is the Durmond Priory investigating this?

Don’t the orders strictly concentrate their efforts on fighting the elder dragons? Just seems odd they mentioned that…

That’s because the living story takes place before the pact was made. This to prevent spoilers for new players who haven’t played their personal story yet.

The Living Story takes place “wherever the players are” in theory, but in practice it is post-invasion of Orr – there’s actually two references to the Pact in previous encounters already. With Tequatl Rising was a blatant response to the Pact invading Orr even for people who hadn’t made it yet, while the Aetherblades’ airships are stolen from the Pact. There’s also a comment long ago on the forums from Matthew Medina that The Lost Shores happened post-Zhaitan’s death (thus post-Personal Story).

Anyways, the Orders of Tyria are NOT focused solely on the Elder Dragons. That’s their main area of concern, but they focus elsewhere too. For example, the Vigil were helping out with the Molten Alliance – as were the Order of Whispers and Priory to lesser extent. All three Orders were also helping out at the Tower of Nightmares. They primarily focus on the Elder Dragons, but they fight any threat to the continent.

Blurk.6231:

Living story takes place after the personal story. It has been stated multiple times by devs. You can also see this because the living world takes place in 1327 AE and Zhaitan was defeated in 1326 AE if I remember correctly.

sigh No.

We’re now entering 1327 in the Living Story. Zhaitan was defeated in 1325 AE. The Lost Shores happened in 1325 AE and was confirmed to be post-Zhaitan. The Personal Story takes place fully within 1325 AE – over the first 3/4ths of the year, I believe, though it’s not really confirmed.

Eluveitie.1290:

Question 2: No, the defeat of the Great Destroyer didn’t affect the awakening of any other Elder Dragon.
Question 3: He has yet not awoken, but his magical energy might be already affecting Tyria; as happened with Jormag’s back in Eye of the North.

Actually, we are not quite sure of either of these.

If the Great Destroyer wasn’t stopped, then Primordus would have awoken in roughly 1078 AE leaving a 100 year gap before the next Elder Dragon. The Elder Dragons awake in roughly 50 year gaps. Either the Great Destroyer’s death did pause the others, Primordus prepared for a head start and the others didn’t, the 50 year thing is purely coincidence (from a lore standpoint), or two Elder Dragons awoke at roughly the same time (when Primordus awoke – which by our knowledge would be Mordremoth’s waking time in such a case).

We simply don’t know – though I’m guessing the 50 year thing is just coincidence by a lore standpoint because if Glint wasn’t purified then she would have hastened Kralkatorrik’s awakening making him rise sooner, but as she didn’t, his awakening was prolonged the longest but still at that 50 year time period. Similarly Jormag’s awakening was likely delayed by the death of Svanir and was known to be hastened by the Sons of Svanir giving energy to Jormag. Chances are that all Elder Dragons were meant to awaken around the time we’re at now but other than Kralkatorrik (and Mordremoth), there were champions to hasten the awakening (this would cause confusion with Zhaitan as he had no known champion – though sleeping on a magic minefield of sorts probably attested to his awakening – same could be said for Primordus even with the Great Destroyer’s death). But that’s hypothetical and not a concrete answer – so those two questions of Errannar.8263 are still valid with answer unproven (just highly likely).

Likely it was more a case of the developers not having time to render such models. They’re not immune – only sylvari are.

Two accounts named “Angel” can be misleading. Especially when one is a dev who, for some reason, doesn’t have red yet.

Scarlet mentioned knowing Caithe’s secret but what that secret was has never been revealed. If you refer to the Nightmare Chamber dialogues, Scarlet mentions something for all second racial storylines in the Personal Story so that may just be an hallucination.

Eluveitie.1290:

EDIT: To help you out here, Angel, regarding Konig’s inquery. It is not mentioned in the video about leadership precisely, but a Reddit response from Matthew Medina to a comment.

Video part regarding Molten Alliance, just in case: 21:20.

8. Q: Who are the leaders of the Molten Alliance, in both the dredge and the charr side?

A: There weren’t any “leaders” per se of the Molten Alliance from the flame legion or dredge. The various Berserker and Firestorm champions of the Molten Alliance were created by Scarlet to give each side someone to rally behind, but she was calling the shots and pulling their strings.

Personally, I believe there’s enough motive behind the Flame Legion to rally and agree, with whatever leadership they have left (the last tribunes), to reach their goals rather than being at each other. Dredge are in civil war, as well, but the moletariate remains and still in control of a vast part of them; whatever leaders they have left there must’ve taken the call to join Scarlet in their desperate situation.

Oh! Doh! I knew I heard/read it recently, guess looking at one then the other mixed them up in my head. o.O

Angel.4918:

That’s so nice of you to say. I’m glad you liked the stories. Sometimes we hear so much of what people don’t like that we act on that without realizing that there are plenty of people who do like it. I think there’s a lesson in there somewhere for both fans and for us devs.

I will relay this to Bobby Stein (my boss) and we’ll see. I know I loved writing them, and others did as well. We’ll have to see. But thanks for letting us know you like them.

I’ll admit I was probably one of the louder voices that Bobby Stein responded to in the various threads complaining about the short story, but I hope I was rather clear that what I wanted was their removal – just more integration of the info into the game, even if it’s something as blatant as the Sea of Sorrows Marriner Plaques (though I prefer how you added info from Ghosts of Ascalon like that plaque on the Viewing Hill or Dougal Keane explaining what happened).

In a semi-related manner: The wiki is very incomplete when it comes to dialogue for old and now removed Living World content. Is there any way we can convince you or other writers to provide the dialogue which was in the game?

For example, some of Fahd al’Eshadhi’s dialogue from The Lost Shore and some of “the Flame Legion Prisoner’s dialogue from Flame and Frost”: is missing. I doubt that anyone has the dialogue screenshotted somewhere otherwise they’d have been put up by now (I know I did a search and found nothing both in my extensive 3-full-folders-of-999-screens and on sites like Dulfy). Though minor, some of these dialogues that were missed may hold info that would greatly change some people’s views about what’s missed.

Angel.4918:

We have not publicly detailed out who each of these groups is or who their leaders are because we didn’t think that was something the average citizen of Tyria would know. If you’re really dying to know the answer, I can look it up in the next couple days and post something about it. But, they won’t be characters you’ve met before.

So long as we eventually meet them, tis fine.

However, I find it unlikely the krait were a splinter group given that the Obelisks (and Toxic krait variants) are seen all over. Unless you count it as the “Tyrian krait” I suppose. So would it be right to assume that all krait have allied with Scarlet?

It was known that the Nightmare Court that allied with Scarlet was a mere splinter faction, but never really specified for the dredge and Flame Legion. It’d be nice to know where those leaders are placed within dredge/Flame society, even if we don’t know their actual names (that’s relatively unimportant in the long scale so long as we meet them/hear of them in-game before the arc ends – even if we don’t kill them).

Starting in January, we’ll be creating new posts every other week on a variety of topics. We’ll leave the threads open for a few days, so we can gather questions from the community and pass them over to the teams. Once we get the answers, we’ll bring them to you!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Many-Questions-so-Dev/first#post3397272

A few days will pass before they gather the questions up and pass them along to the appropriate devs, who’ll answer in turn.

Only 2 days have passed since the thread opened.

Simplicity.7208:

Let’s assume the Dwarves had the names of the dragons in their tomes from the last time the dragons rose. How did they know the names of the dragons? Were they able to communicate with them? Probably not. So how did they know that their names were as such? Furthermore, where does that leave dragons like Mordremoth or Bubbles who have no record in the Dwarves’ tomes of knowledge? How will we ever learn their names?

Fun fact: We know the names from those dwarven tomes and myths (and jotun stelae and myth).

But to answer your question:

Dragonspawn from Edge of Destiny as well as several Icebrood in-game (even a quaggan icebrood, if memory doesn’t fail me) actually says “Jormag” (though the Dragonspawn seems to speak an ancient language – take that for what you will). Risen from the game and Edge of Destiny and Sea of Sorrow mention “Zhaitan”. Cannot say for Primordus and technically we don’t even know if Mordremoth is the jungle dragon and obviously we know not the DSD’s name. Kralkatorrik’s name likely came from Glint herself, a former (read: purified by the Forgotten’s magic) champion of Kralkatorrik.

Honestly, the only question is Primordus given that he – unlike the other dragons (though Mordremoth and the DSD may also be like him) – does not corrupt living beings directly. My guess would be that in the past he did corrupt living beings and they went about going “hail Primordus!”

That or the dwarves made his name up.

And for Mordremoth – nothing says that his name is known in lore by the races, since we got his name via mechanical references (Teeth of Primordus, Teeth of Jormag, and Teeth of Mordremoth all skill names used by Subject Alpha).

Simplicity.7208:

When you say icebrood do you mean a Norn that has accepted Jormag or do you mean full on ice sculpture. Because if it’s the former, the Norn could have various reasons why it “thinks” it knows Jormag’s name, without the dragon ever whispering in his ear.

Dunno how Aaron meant it, but both. Keep in mind that a dragon minion retains its old memories but also gains immense fanaticism towards its dragon even not knowing who or what the dragon is, once corrupted it suddenly does. See Edge of Destiny, when Kralkatorrik awakes and begins Branding. The newly made dragon minions have narrated thoughts for following the dragon (despite not knowing it was a dragon) and name Kralkatorrik in their thoughts.

Simplicity.7208:

In fact, if it’s true that things affected by dragonic corruption retain their prior knowledge, then we may not have ever known their names in the first place. Imagine this: Person X sees Zhaitan for the first time in Tyria. X calls the dragon Zhaitan. It catches on. Suddenly everyone is calling it Zhaitan. When Zhaitan acquires minions, his minions refer to him by how they know him; Zhaitan. It’s possible that none of the dragons’ names are true, even Zhaitan. I guess it depends on how much influence you think dragons have on their minions?

Your line of thought requires every single minion to have heard the name “Zhaitan” before. That is physically impossible because Orrians were dead when they were made Risen, and had no knowledge it even existed before being corrupted.

Since we have your attention Angel, if you’d indulge in a curiosity inquiry of confusion again:

In the Livestream you said that neither the dredge nor the FLame Legion had a leadership decision for joining the MA – within the MA there was no “Flame Leader” and no “dredge leader”. I find this hard to believe, personally, because neither race really seems open to full consensus. In fact, both groups are under civil war last we heard prior to the Living Story (in Frostgorge Sound and in Sorrow’s Embrace explorable, the interaction with the dredge is about rebellion against the moletariate; while in Citadel of Flame explorable it’s explained that the Tribunes are at each other throats for how to proceed with Gaheron’s death). Given this, a consensus amongst the whole dredge or Flame Legion seems impossible. And on top of that, both groups have a leadership (moletariate and Gaheron/Tribunes) so it would seem unlikely that the grunts would oppose in such huge numbers, unless they all agreed “let’s get power to overthrow our monarchy! Mwuahaha!” – which still seems unlikely.

If one were to presume the “it can take place before, during, or after the dungeon events” route that seems to have been taken with Twilight Arbor (a silly and very confusing method, in my opinion but it’s just my opinion), then either way both groups hold a leadership.

And not only this, but there are multiple mentions of the moletariate’s involvement with the Molten Alliance (primarily by the dead drops, but also by the dredge prisoner I had mentioned before) – as well as shamans who can perform the “Gaheron ritual” (which as best as we players can tell, mean that these shamans are part of the Godforged whom underwent a self-inflicted ritual).

Personally, I had always viewed it to be a case of 1 or 2 Tribunes in the civil war who decided to go away from resurrecting Gaheron – much like Tribune Burntclaw that is killed at the most-hated CoF path – on the Flame Legion side, this one or two Tribune(s) being the ones that Scarlet had convinced, and the remnants of the “old moletariate” after Shukov’s death that’s trying to retain power over the rebellion. That seemed far more reasonable to me than “the dredge and Flame Legion unanimously agreed to follow Scarlet, who tricked them into thinking the other side agreed already when she went to them.” After all, you cannot get a xenophobic race to unanimously agree to work with enslavers. Not without brainwashing.

Just a little bit of confusion I’d love to see cleared up.

And another, perhaps more important, thing I’m confused about:

What happened to the short stories!?!?

They were enjoyable – though yes, I wouldn’t have had the What Scarlet Saw story up there (at least not in such little details – I probably would have had it expanded and split into two or three, with us finally realize “omg Ceara is Scarlet!” in the final story), and though people complained about them the complaint was more that the info never got into the game like it should, somehow (not the story themselves but the bits and pieces) which has since been getting fixed. So… why stop the stories!?!? BRING THEM BACK! OR I’LL CRY! YOU DON’T WANT A CRYING CHARR DO YOU!?

Oh, and why is your name not red? Are you really Angel McCoy or are you an imposter!?

Angel.4918:

One of the risks we devs take when we answer lore questions is that our answer will either contradict what you imagined (and then you’ll feel bad) or it will put an end to the speculation. And, as you say, it’s always fun to speculate.

Bah! I feel the opposite:

If my theories are never proven right or wrong, I feel like you (ArenaNet) are ignoring story possibilities. On the flip side, if I’m prove right I’m ecstatic (usually – I wasn’t so ecstatic when I was proven right about Scarlet being a female sylvari interested in technology – which I theorized once we interrogated those MA prisoners) and in turn I become more motivated to theorize on other aspects I was less interested or alternatively to theorize based on the new confirmations; and when I’m proven wrong, then it allows me to rethink my theory, to take in the new information and “correct” my theory so that it is no longer wrong, and expands upon the new lore.

Proven right or wrong, it’s a boon. So long as you don’t go explaining anything, proving or disproving some of the wilder theories could prove beneficial either way. It gets us thinking and gives us more materials to work with.

Though personally, I’d rather have the proving/disproving in the game rather than forum posts.

MRA.4758:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

• Final Question: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen tengu?

Do you mean a Canthan tengu or a Tyrian tengu?

Dang it, I wanted Anet to respond with that! Curses!

(for those who couldn’t figure it out, that was a joke)

Post your question in the thread linked by Regina. ;P

Neilos Tyrhanos.5427:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Zhu Hanuku is a sea spirit, formerly friendly until the Jade Wind, and is a kraken.

Where’s this tidbit from?

I’m not doubting you (you tend to be well informed), but I just can’t remember that being mentioned. The Convocation seemed to have been a long-running tradition, complete with hunting the Kraken, which seems to suggest he had been antagonistic before.

“Zhu Hanuku was a legendary sea spirit until it first appeared two hundred years ago in jade flesh. Each year our strongest venture out to defeat him before he destroys the Mighty Armada. We show we are more powerful than the sea itself.”

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Elder_Casta

Easily missed.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

The convocation doesn’t seem to have been around before the Jade Wind.

It was, I believe. Just didn’t feature the slaying of our fabled sea spirit or the Spear of Archemorus. Though on a quick search I cannot see anything on the age of the Convocation.

And it still goes on…

Allow me to explain Orangensaft: The OP was referring to a WoodenPotatoes video in which WP mistakenly translates binary seen within Zone Green of the Infinite Coil Reactor to be “Pale Tree” – the Infinite Coil Reactor is the complex in which the Crucible of Eternity is focused on. The complex’s main purpose is to study Elder Dragon minions, magic, and so forth.

This mistranslation led to a massive upheaval of people claiming that the Pale Tree is an Elder Dragon and/or a champion of an Elder Dragon because it “got mentioned” in a place tied to vegetation (Zone Green) where the respective location (Experimental Green Lab) is full of Summoned Husks and Nightmare Hounds. Basically people went on a spree proclaiming that this is proof that the sylvari are dragon minions.

In reality, the binary message shown means “End Transmission Sequence” (or something like that), not Pale Tree. And to be perfectly honest, when dealing with sylvari on a whole there’s a lot more evidence against the theory of them being directly tied to the Elder Dragons than there is for (the “for” side having just about “no evidence”) – though if one were to just link the Nightmare (and in turn Nightmare Court), then it’s a more even and inconclusive debate.

The “confirmation” that the OP mentions is just a mistranslation – in other words, there is no confirmation.

Chrispy.5641:

We don’t even need Anet if you answer everything for them! (nah, good job. Answering questions that someone knows the answer too leaves Anet time to answer the ones we don’t know.)

That is my hope. No need for repeated info, right ArenaNet? (No, that’s not a lore question. It’s rhetorical!)

Chrispy.5641:

3 – Oh Come on! We’ve killed as many of them as we’ve killed undead! They have to be as desperate for their survival as the Krait!….maybe we’ll see Scarlet create the Skritt-Dragoon Alliance in the future! (also that link you gave me is saying “this account has been suspended”, but I haven’t been on that website before…)

Yeah, sorry about the link. Blame GuildMag – their entire site is down for unknown reasons. I was told it should be back up today. But the explanation ArenaNet gave for the centaur hostilities (and lack of ceasing) is that they literally have nowhere to go anymore (partially in thanks to Jormag, I presume) so they’re pushing south with even more vigor (as opposed to during GW1 where we barely heard of them, especially outside their then homeland) – and that they’ll more or less fight to the last man. What is interesting to note is that the Harathi come from what’s now the Maguuma Wastes.

You’d have to wait until GM fixes their problem before you can get the word-for-word answer.

Silent The Gray.3091:

• Will Drakkar rise from Drakkar Lake?
• Will Kralkatorrik awake from his slumber?
• Is Zhaitan an elder dragon?

• How old do Asura’s live to be?
• Whatever happened to the Zaishen?
• Will Xunlai Agents ever come back to the game? If not, what happened to them?

• Is there someone to follow in Nicholas the Traveler’s footsteps?

• The Mursaat are not in GW2, but if they must keep the Door of Komalie closed, where are they enjoying their tequila shots?

• Where does the Tomb of Primeval Kings currently reside?
• Is there still a Brotherhood of the Dragon?

To answer these questions:

• It was said a while back, I believe, that Drakkar did wake from beneath Drakkar lake.
• Kralkatorrik awoke during the novel Edge of Destiny, specifically in 1320 AE – the game is (post-this Wintersday) in 1327 AE.
• Yes. He is the Elder Dragon of Undeath.

• It was said a long while back that asura live about 5-10% longer than humans, with exceptional ages being about 120 years old.
• They are still around, seen on the eastern end of Fort Marriner. They became multi-racial in the past 250 years and… that’s about it. They don’t hold any role thus far, but they’re around.
• The Xunlai Agents turned into the Arch Exchange after Cantha closed its borders. They are the ones who run the banks now adays, founded by "Captain Hao Luen’s ":http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Captain_Hao_Luen grandfather, Hao Luen (the family isn’t really original in names, is it?).

• Good question, there is Horas the Traveler seen in Snowden Drifts (near the exit to Gendarran Fields) whom has a dolyak near him.

• The mursaat kept the Door of Komalie closed because of the Flameseeker Prophecies. The prophecies had already been fulfilled and their race brought to the edge of extinction because of them – there is no more need to guard the door, given that it leads to what is now Kormir’s realm (formerly Abaddon’s realm – he had intended to use it to invade Tyria with an army of Titans led by The Fury as found out in Domain of Anguish in Nightfall).

*The Tomb of the Primeval Kings is located just north of Glint’s Lair – it is now at the southern end of the Dragonbrand.

• The Brotherhood of the Dragon is no more; it was succeeded by the Zephyrites.

Thalador.4218:

3.) Kralkatorrik awakened back in 1319 AE, which was 6 years before GW2’s starting year of 1325 AE. If you refer to the lack of word of him, he’s not slumbering; skulking around the desert or further east/south/southeast or he might’ve actually fled into the Rift.

Actually, he awoke in 1320 AE. The novel begins in 1319 AE but occurs over the course of a year (give or take).

Keba.8930:

9) What happened to Livia?
“When asked about what happened to Livia and the Scepter of Orr, continuity designer Ree Soesbee stated that she “couldn’t answer that question” and that it was important that she couldn’t answer it."

If you really can’t tell us, al least tell us if we will ever know!

That was left unanswered before because it would have spoiled the novel Sea of Sorrows as Livia shows up there.

So allow me to alter your question:

What happened to Livia after Sea of Sorrows? 70 years and we got nothing. Is she truly Anise like people think? :P

Funny thing; at 21:30 Angel explained why the Flame Legion agreed to work with Scarlet and she said that Scarlet offered the dredge technology she had already acquired, but yet…

“Yeah, the flaming cow pies and their fast-talking friend from the city. Never again! Lying silver-tongued, snake-nosed trickster! Never again. "

According to the Veteran Dredge Prisoner from the end of Flame and Frost, it was the Flame Legion that Scarlet had gotten allegiance with first.

Magi is a (Latin, I think) term used to refer to magic users – no different than Mage, Wizard, etc.

They view themselves as superior (in intellect and thus leadership) than other races and there are some that want the asura to be on top of the proverbial food chain (High Councillor Flax for example). They have been integrating themselves into all races though, via economy, and that’s actually their little “master plan” for taking over other races.

But it’s not like they’d be enslaving the other races. So no, they’re not evil.

And Rata Sum being a floating city I believe was more of a security action – when they arrived in the Maguuma, there was a lot of hostile wildlife that the asura were not used to, and they’re still not entirely used to the surface life. Floating in the sky was their way to protect themselves from the unknown of the surface life – if memory serves me right on what the devs said for the design behind the city.

lordkrall.7241:

Is it actually the same thing in GW2 though?

We do after all have skills like Ether Feast and Ether Signet, but at the same time we also have Aetherblades. Wouldn’t it be logical to spell them the same if they do indeed mean the same thing?

As far as all we know, it is the same. “Ether” in GW seems to basically be spiritual/energy based material (much like the original concept of Ether, being the material that light travels through/heaven is made from) if you look at the things like Ethereal Vanguard – then you have the bow Aether which is a spiritual bow.

Why the Aetherblades are called such is a good question, since they don’t seem to hold any ties to Ether/Aether. And the spelling “Aether” is only ever used for the bow and the Aetherblade stuff.

The very original spelling of the world “Ether” is actually Æther. Over time it became spelled as “aether” and then “ether” – other variants such as aither exist as well. All are just different spellings of the same name. Aether and Ether are pronounced the same and refer to the same stuff.

Matter and anti-matter are completely different things from Ether, by the way. Ether is metaphysical (more or less) while matter is what makes up everything we can see and touch; and in most fictional works, anti-matter is meant to be the opposite of matter (but still physical) that would result in mutual destruction if coming in contact with matter. However, no mention of anti-matter exists in the GWverse.

Some more questions asked in this thread we have the answer to:

Chrispy.5641:

Question 1, part 1
The lore concerning Grenth is not very clear. In the Wiki, it says that Grenth was the child of Dwayna and a Mortal, but its difficult to find any reference to that specifically in either game. So, Was he a god from birth, or did he start out as a mortal half-god (or just mortal) until he defeated Dhuum and took his place? And was his father a human?

It’s not on the wiki, but it’s mentioned by Priestess Rhie during Cathedral of Silence personal story step if you talk to her before finishing the step. She says he was a half-god that rose to godhood and that his father was a “mortal sculptor.”

Chrispy.5641:

Speaking of Centaurs….Humans are beating them back, we’ve killed every Centaur Champion that tried to get in our way, and with the Charr treaty, they aren’t going to be fighting two wars anymore (that we know aside from Scarlet’s crazyness), and the Outcast Qindova was basically banished for suggesting peace. Are Centaurs just that stubborn and prideful and unable to accept defeat at the hands of someone with two less legs than them? Or is there something happening off-camera that we just don’t quite know about yet?

In an interview with GuildMag Jeff, Ree, and Scott said that the centaurs simply have nowhere to go – surrender means extinction if they cannot obtain new lands.

Chrispy.5641:

Question 4
I’m sure this has been asked before, but I couldn’t find any specific developer response…. Why are Horses Extinct in Tyria?

They aren’t. They just don’t show up in the game. They did, however, show up in Edge of Destiny in a view through an asura gate.

A better question is: Why do we not see horses in Tyria?

Silicato.4603:

Question 1: Who is managing the lore of GW2 in Arena Net? Somebody needs to be responsible of what kind of lore is deleivered by the company, right?

Jeff Grubb and Ree Soesbee are the Lore Continuity folks at ArenaNet. Then you have lead writers like Angel McCoy, Scott McGough, and the team lead Bobby Stein who write the individual stories.

Alcyone.8695:

• How long before the game started did the events of Edge of Destiny take place?
• Why are a bunch of Sons of Svanir allowed to live more or less in peace in Hoelbrak?
• Do Sylvari appear to age over time, or do they always look the same as the day they awakened? Are there signs that the Sylvari will one day die of old age, or are they probably immortal unless killed?
• How did that Marriner plaque get all the way into Orr?

• The Edge of Destiny novel started in 1319 AE and ended in 1320 AE – each dragon champion was separated by a few months of off-screen preparations. The game started in 1325 AE and we just entered 1327 AE in the Living World story.
• The norn judge by individuals and their individual actions, not by whom they associate themselves with. A norn with the Priory will not be accepted as a bookworm just because he/she joined the Priory. Similarly, a Son of Svanir will not be treated as a threat just because he joined the Sons of Svanir – he will be treated as a threat once he starts becoming one personally. There are some norn who do not follow this view, but in general that is the cultural belief and why Sons of Svanir are allowed in Hoelbrak – until they start trouble.
• This was asked in an interview in… 2010 I think. The answer was simply that there have been no signs yet.
• Well, the guy next to the Cobiah Marriner statue says he placed the plaques where they are… I presume he was able to get to the Harbinger because of the Pact’s efforts in Orr reducing the number of Risen – and the ship being on the outskirts of Orr.

I’m just gonna go about and answer questions that are asked which we have the answer for already – so that devs don’t go answering known questions.

ElysianEternity.6215:

Question 2: It was confirmed Naga are unrelated to the Krait and Forgotten.

I’d like to say that there was never any relation between Naga and Krait (or lack thereof) explained.

Louveepine.7630:

• When did the Asura build Quora Sum and when did they leave it ?
• When did the Asura discover Rata Sum ? (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Rata_Sum)
• When was Rata Sum built ?
• When did Snaff die ?
• When was the Snaff Prize created ?
• When did the destroyers become active ?
• When did Zimm’s trial take place ?
• How did Tarnished Coast evolve ? ( http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Tarnished_Coast http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Tarnished_Coast/Map )
• Are Vlox Falls still an asura city ? Is it underwater ? Forgotten ? Erased ?
• Have the asura ever expand in the Maguuma Jungle ?
• What has become of Gadd’s camp and the access to the Shards of Orr’s gates ?
• What happened to the Polymock ?
• Why are the lower levels of Rata Sum destroyed ? Will they ever be rebuilt ? The roleplaying community really hopes so.
• Is there any other small asuran cities on the surface like Soren Draa ?
• We know that Ludo and Zudo are the Deans of the colleges of Statics and Dynamics respectively, but who is the Dean of the college of Synergetics?

These questions of yours we have the answer to. In order:

• Don’t know about built, but they left it when the destroyers came in 1078 AE.
• Same as when the destroyers came and forced the asura to the surface – in 1078 AE.
• Are you referring to the original ruins, or the asuran city? If the latter, again initially built in 1078 AE but construction on it continues even to today (the Golem Mines in the deep center is, in lore, an area where golems are hollowing out more of the cube).
• Snaff died in 1320 AE – this is the highlight of the novel Edge of Destiny.
• The Snaff Price was made when Zojja returned to Rata Sum, which was immediately after the novel Edge of Destiny. It’s no more than 5 years old as of the personal story.
• In 1078 AE, as far as we know. This was the main plot of Eye of the North.
• In 1079 AE, during the War in Kryta content.
• Evolve how? The only real changes that aren’t any more drastic than any other location changes are just new structures built by the asura.
• Vlox Falls would be underwater (or fully erased) by now, and would have been within southern Caledon.
• They’ve already expanded in the Maguuma Jungle over the past 250 years. In GW1, they only had two true settlements (Rata Sum and Vlox Falls), now they have multiple cities (including the destroyed Thaumanova) and reach far to the north than in GW1.
• Can’t say for Gadd’s Encampment, but the Shards of Orr is mentioned by a sylvari in the Grove. Though I presume you mean Bloodstone Caves.
• Nothing, really. It just wasn’t made in time for the game’s release. There’s a whole arena to it in the city.
• As said before, they’re not destroyed but rather never built. It isn’t mentioned anywhere in-game as far as I know but was mentioned in an interview saying that the asura are still hollowing out that giant floating cube via golems.
• Soreen Draa is technically part of Rata Sum (trivia; it’s actually where Rata Sum in GW1 was). There’s the now-destroyed Thaumanova and Mrot Boru within southern Brisban Wildlands which are cities. In terms of what we can visit, those are the only asura cities known.
• I think until his death, Omadd was the dean of Synergetics. Don’t quote me on that one though.

Saavedra.8912:

.Why do the Sons of Svanir hate women? Is it because Jora refused the power of Jormag?

The Sons of Svanir hate women because not only did Jora refuse Jormag’s gift of power, but she killed Svanir – the first norn to be gifted Jormag’s power (and her brother).

My subliminal message was that in general people seem to like anti-hero figures more than strait up villainous heroes, especially anti-heroes who do not go redeeming themselves and joining the good guys. Mainly because anti-heroes are more gray and people love the gray.

Honestly, Canach would not be interesting in the least if he was a straight up villain. But by being an anti-hero, he becomes interesting. Similarly, though she has many many flaws, Scarlet would be more interesting if she had more to her than pure evil insanity.

When I had a measily 17" full screen, there was plenty of room for all 9 of my characters, or at least 8 of them. Now I have a 23" screen, and there’s so much white space on the sides.

I would love it if how many character panels shown is dependent on your screen width and resolution.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

I hope so. He’s a much more compelling character than Scarlet, even if he leans more towards anti-hero than villain.

“Even if”? You mean “because.”

Xomic.5792:

2. Is there any backstory or lore related to the legendary weapons?

It was already said, somewhere, that ArenaNet will be implementing the legendary weapons’ backstory into the game in the near future. How near that future is I don’t know (or if the plan’s been scrapped) though.

Eluveitie.1290:

• Question 4: Is there a relation between the stone heads around Wychmire Swamp and the colossus we meet at the Cliffside Fractal? In either case, what’re they related to?

To expand on this question: Is there a connection to either of the above and the collosal stone heads found in select places of Ascalon/Shiverpeaks, such as God’s Skull in Fireheart Rise?

Eluveitie.1290:

• Question 7: Where is Randall Greystone? Did he truly find the gods, wherever they are or did he lose his mind?

FOr that matter, what happened to him? He became transparent with a tint of red – like a ghost, but ghosts are white or blue (in GW2).

The title “Deep Sea Dragon” is 100% fully fan-made. Just like Bubbles. The original and only direct description we have of the dragon is this:

“In the deepest waters of the sea, another dragon breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river of the land”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World

Though since we’ve gotten a dozen and a half indirect hints or mentions of dragon minions/influence where the krait once lived: the deepest trenches of the Unending Ocean.

Thanks for posting this here Lilith. I don’t go to other forums often anymore so I would have completely missed this opportunity to ask for clarification on contradictions… though I tried to play nice not only ask such questions, and limited myself with my questions…

>.>

Thanks for posting this.

And Thank you Matthew for taking the time to answer these questions!

With knowing these questions are on players’ minds, hopefully having a repeat of this with future LW updates can be avoided.

Guess I’ll have to be the one to add this new intel onto the wiki, huh…

Edit: Hah. Half of the answered questions I had known from the releases and were explained. Even some on the ones on Canach that Matt didn’t answer were explained somewhere.

Oh hohoho, can o’ wurms, opened.

• Question 1: What happened to the Forgotten? Specifically, why were they not around in the Crystal Desert when Glint fought Kralkatorrik? It seems possible though hard to believe they were all killed during Prophecies…

• Question 2: The Isles of Janthir on the GW2 map are to the north of Kryta, however in GW1 Mantle Knight Franklan states that Saul went south to Janthir to retrieve the Eye of Janthir… Why the discrepancy?

• Question 3: In War in Kryta a seer was seen on a table in Zinn and Blimm’s lab. It has been wondered for a long time: Was that seer living or dead? A volunteer or captive?

• Question 4: On the calendar: why add those five days? Why is there a need to sync up the calendars? And doesn’t the fact that Wintersday is Tyria’s new year, but the year starts with the first of Spring (the Spring Equinox) ruin the syncing anyways as our Spring Equinox is March 20th (for northern hemisphere) anyways? Furthermore, how did these five days come to be, as such a large amount of time would have been easily noted within a decade and would encorporate a full year give or take by the time Tyria went from GW1’s timeframe to GW2’s? I know it’s three questions as one but same topic. And a highly controversial one.

• Question 5: How did the charr, whom were practically primitive at the time, decimate a prepared Orrian nation when said Orrians were powerful magic users? See: Prophecies manual entry on Orr and Orrian History Scrolls It just seems unlikely that a kingdom of strong magic users would fall so easily to the charr after the charr forced marched to Orr through Ascalon.

• Question 6: Where in the Unending Ocean are the largos, karka, krait, quaggan, and DSD from/at? In relation to each other and to the three known continents/Battle Isles.

• Question 7: How much of Thruln the Lost’s tales are true? Was there truly an Age of Giants which had both jotun and norn ruling? Did the jotun truly once worship the Six Gods and have their magic taken from them?

• Question 8: What happened to Magdaer after the Ascalonian Catacombs story mode? Eir said she’d take it to a blacksmith she knew but we’ve heard nothing of it since and Logan, who was going to get it, has not wielded it.

• Question 9: Back to Largos: why do they appear so humanoid despite being deep sea creatures (such a body shape would not be naturally beneficial to underwater life and their movements are akin to that of humans or sylvari when underwater)? And why do they have similar names to Orrians/why does Sayeh know the Orrian language so well (as seen in Temple of the Forgotten God personal story step)? Could the largos have once been human Orrians?

• Question 10: Those ‘thumpers’ are likely tied to Scarlet, almost confirmed at this point. Why is one outside the Chantry of Secrets and have they done anything about it (investigate, etc.)?

• Final Question: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen tengu?

I’ll force myself to stop there, otherwise I’d never finish asking questions.

snow.8097:

Why is the bazaar of four winds related to their government?

The Bazaar of the Four Winds is not related to the tengu. The Tengu’s cultures assimilated into four main groups, calling the groups “Houses” – these Houses were named after the four directions of the compass (North, South, East, West) though the tengu who mentions it calls it the “four winds”.

Zhu Hanuku is a sea spirit, formerly friendly until the Jade Wind, and is a kraken. Krakens are sea creatures and there’s no reason to believe that they’re tied to the deep sea dragon, despite both being tied to water or the kraken having tentacles like the DSD minions (if that was all it took to become a DSD minion, then squids and octopuses would be DSD minions in a heartbeart should they exist in lore).

I’m gonna toss my hat into the “it feels weird” boat with where the lore forum got moved. Those race forums are seldom about lore, and I doubt slapping “Lore Discussion” over them will change that. I feel this forum is better kept under the Game Discussion, even if the move is only by a few pixels on the screen.

But I can get OCD and I’d even move the Living World forums into the Game Discussion section.

Folks should keep in mind with the poem that some things – like possibly the “time to jump” line – may just be put in because it rhymes.

Someone necros a year old thread of a topic discussed to death and beyond, just to mention something well known about. And everyone seems to forget that it was already discussed to death and beyond.

In-game, you’re too late. That’s the “joy” of the living story – it’s temporary! Best you can do is do the current aftermath of the Tower of Nightmares content, which is a series of new events, NPC dialogues, the instance you did, and changes to the hearts that were around already (and a good portion of it likely disappears forevermore coming January 21st), and look on the incomplete GW2W for the LS summary for the story thus far:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Living_World_summary

As for using the Tricolor Keys – you use them at the Tricolor Chest. It’s just a chest though, open with a key and get some goodies!

wouw.5837:

I played through the deep again a few days ago and I found Kanaxai to have have a lot of elder dragon champion’esque traits:

By the general connections you form between Kanaxai and an Elder Dragon, one can make the same connections between Abaddon and the Elder Dragons, but the Six Gods have pretty much been blatantly stated to not be tied to the Elder Dragons.

Influencing others mentally is the main trait of mesmers, and physical transformation (just like mental influence) is not unique to Elder Dragons (Abaddon turning the Margonites from humans to etheric beings, for instance).

The DSD corrupts water, so it’s likely that its minions, described only as tentacle creatures, are more akin to the destroyers than the oni.

This said: it is possible, but incredibly unlikely all things considered.

wouw.5837:

Could he be related to the Deep Sea Dragon? (In theory the DSD could have lived in the Jade Sea and when the Jade melted, she went to the Unending Ocean).

There is no theory behind where the DSD was hibernating. It was hibernating in the deepest trenches of the Unending Ocean – where the krait lived prior to its awakening. This is far from any continent as far as we know. The DSD is no closer to Cantha than it is to Tyria/Elona, at least upon awakening.

wouw.5837:

(ps. what about Urgoz and the Warden, the look Sylvari’-esque)

Urgoz is said to be a forest spirit – this is akin to the Spirits of the Wild. It was twisted mentally, going insane, by the Jade Wind – powered by Dwayna’s magic twisted by Abaddon. The wardens are said to have formerly been druids, though this is just in-universe theory. There’s nothing to indicate the wardens, which look like green-skinned humans, are plants like the sylvari, which simply have a humanoid appearance. There’s very little to link the wardens to the sylvari except the ties to plants and a sentient tree, and the fact that the sylvari military force are called Wardens – and that’s more likely coincidental than an intentional hint of connections.

Glint’s sanctuary wasn’t actually in a single grain of sand. That was a falsified rumor to mislead people – the reality was that it was simply hidden behind an illusion, which would dispel once the onlooker realized the sanctuary was in front of him/her.

Those are not even related to Guild Wars at all, nor are they even “new.” Both are nearly a year old if not older.

Kekai has done a lot of freelance work that is similar in design to his Guild Wars concepts.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Dragon corruption seems to be an active… act, given how during hibernation the Elder Dragons release the magic they had consumed while awake, but it does not corrupt (hence why the asura were able to siphon off of Primordus to power their original gate network). So I would believe that the Sanguinary Blade was made in a unique fashion that these other known remnants of Elder Dragon bodyparts were not.

Okay, explain the Nornbear

Drakkar – a champion of Jormag – was awake trapped inside that ice.

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It was an active act. Just not on Jormag’s part.

Fafnir.5124:

Arguably they could be considering that Zitain Body is composed of its minnions and since it is the only elder dragon we seen while awakened it is only one we can really go by.

Nothing but the original concept art for Zhaitan’s body indicates that Zhaitan’s body is made of its minions – and at that, said concept art is of being made of dragons, not just simply minions. In other words, it’d be made of dozens of Tequatls. The in-game model is fairly different, though rather abomination-like and holds dozens of draconic heads, its skin isn’t of the same design as the concept art (which literally had bodies of dragons compressed against each other – the in-game model’s only indication of being made of multiple dragons is the multiple heads/wings/tails).

Also, we have seen Primordus as well as part of Kralkatorrik – in GW1. And while we have not seen all of Kralkatorrik or Jormag, they have been seen before (Destiny’s Edge seeing Kralkatorrik), and there’s no indication that they’re made of anything out of the ordinary. The most out-of-the-ordinary for Kralkatorrik is that he can physically become a sandstorm.

I think that if such was possible, it would have been discovered after 150 years of being at Hoelbrak.

Also, the Six Gods did not create magic – all they did was tamper with the Bloodstone, which was made by the Seers to store the world’s magic.

And furthermore, the death of a leader does not mean the death of all its minions. So I fail to see why “Risen still exist = Zhaitan stil llives.”

@ElysianEternity: Linking what’s “deep below” to her vision is an interesting thought. Not really sure what would have been seen then, though. Unless it does turn out the Pale Tree is a Mordremoth champion but that would just be terrible storytelling because it honestly would make no sense and would be oh-so-obviously done because people who don’t put effort behind researching the hypothesis want it so badly, probably just to play a badguy figure.

On the flip, with Scarlet knowing how to create a new kind of sylvari, the secret she knows being Malyck becomes ever more likely to me.

None of this, however, explains Scarlet’s ties to the Steam creatures.

On a side, whenever I see your username I think of An Elysian Tale game…

@RainbowSyrup: The gods didn’t create magic, all they did was hasten the return of magic to the world after the Seers slowed it down. And it was unrelated to the Elder Dragons as per Jeff Grubb and Arah explorable, the Six Gods did not know of the Elder Dragons – or at least they made no show of knowing, even when drawing power from one (Zhaitan).

I had actually forgotten about Forging the Pact, but there’s this:

Avatar of the Tree: Those who have been corrupted reveal everything to Zhaitan. Nothing is secret, least of all those places where his enemies hide.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Light_in_the_Darkness

This shared knowledge is how Zhaitan located the three Orders’ HQs to attack them. While one may dismiss it for the Durmand Priory and Vigil Keep, it’s hard to do that for the Chantry of Secrets, hidden as it is. Only a Risen Whispers agent would have allowed Zhaitan to know where to strike.

That’s where Trahearne got that information, I would argue. Though how the Pale Tree did I question, but with the attack on the Chantry and the other HQs, I find it hard to doubt. And I think it’s brought up again in Orr events/story steps. Don’t recall anything specific though.

That was the Vigil’s plan of invading Cursed Shore talk about the Pale Reavers – which really only mentioned what I said, that they were a scouting unit formed because sylvari killed by the Risen do not rise again.

With “breaking” sylvari you’re probably thinking of a possible story step earlier, if you were to use scouts to locate the Eye of Zhaitan, where you meet a Mad Sylvari (NPC name) that was prisoner of the Risen and was oddly being interrogated rather than killed.

It really doesn’t play a role yet. I think in the personal story, it’s just that step mentioned. The Living Story has been adamantly avoiding the Elder Dragons (closest we got is Tequatl Rising update). The tooth is likely to come back into the story once ArenaNet is ready to go after Jormag, since the chipping of the tooth is treated by the norn as the signal for the norn to head back north and retake their lands.

Incidentally, we now have Deldrimor Steel in the form of Ascended weapons…

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kodan

May be of interest.

Every minion is linked to their dragon – that’s not unique to the Eyes and Mouths of Zhaitan. Zhaitan knows everything that all of its minions knew and learn. Honestly, the Eyes of Zhaitan don’t seem all that unique to me, given that in an earlier personal story step the Pale Tree basically says that all minions function in the same way. Though I guess the difference is that Eyes give immediate visual feedback, whereas normal minions is just “what it knows, Zhaitan learns” rather than “what it sees”. Just thoughts are shared, as opposed to vision, that is to say.

Either way though, the same doesn’t hold to dismembered body parts. Minions and teeth or blood function differently.

The toxin makes them hallucinate.

Their “immunity” kills them upon touching corruption. The immunity isn’t a case of “haha Elder Dragon, you can do nothing to me!” but rather “you can kill me as easily as you can corrupt anyone else.”

Hallunincations don’t really seem to hold any connection to what could be genetic or magical (and more likely magic) ‘immunity’ to dragon corruption.

@Tobias: The ‘death’ upon corruption was mentioned in an old interview in regards to corruption in general, if memory serves me right. Though it’s been ages so I’m not entirely sure, but Zhaitan’s effects specifically is simply “sylvari don’t rise again” – which bridges into the idea that Zhaitan and the Risen themselves do not corrupt living beings (though they can – see Kellach and Necromancer Rissa).

zamalek.2154:

There’s a secret deep below to find

Primordus is coming!

Alternatively something interesting happening underground that isn’t Primordus involving the ley lines and jumping puzzles. This is equally as good.

We’ve already got Scott mentioning months ago that Scarlet’s story isn’t tied to the dragons. Toss Primordial hopes out of your head.

It’s probably another underground Molten Alliance-made base of operations.

zamalek.2154:

You’d wake up screaming from The Dream

In other words are we finally going to see the end of stories with Sylvari as the most important race bar none? I hope.

When Scarlet awoke from the machine, she made mention of freeing sylvari from the Dream of Dreams. This is likely a reference to that and what Scarlet’s goals are.

zamalek.2154:

Sometimes to change you must destroy

If this is at all meta it means that some of the bad stories this year will be retconned. Another theory could be Scarlet is a communist (destroying to change is one of the concepts of communism).

Maybe Scarlet is the good guy in some way. I do remember thinking maybe she was somehow a “sheep in wolf’s skin”, I may have posted about it.

That’s hardly something that defines or is unique to communism…

You won’t see retconning. ArenaNet “hates” doing that – except when it comes to promoting the Living Story I guess, what with their blatant addition of five days for no reason other than to sync up two calendars (Mouvelian and Gregorian) that were never meant to be synced up.

Given the “Our Story So Far” video’s end with what looks like LA (I’m of that stance), I’m guessing that ArenaNet’s going to destroy Lion’s Arch or something else, just to have Scarlet (or post-Scarlet’s actions) rebuild it anew. It may alternatively relate to Scarlet’s ploys of separating sylvari from the Dream (if that is indeed her goal) – that is, to destroy and re….

And suddenly the Toxic Hybrid makes sense.

Scarlet wants to destroy the sylvari race, and recreate it in the same manner she created the Toxic Hybrid – if you observed the hybrid, you’d have noticed that it’s body design was the exact same as that of the sylvari, with two differences: it had “wings” and it was of krait shape rather than humanoid (well, and it evolved very fast though that may or may not be “different” – it wouldn’t have had a Dream of Dreams experience, like Malyck, and he supposedly crawled away from his pod before being injured and found by Wardens).

zamalek.2154:

A fire is rising you cannot contain

Yeah, Primordus confirmed.

Tyria will burn, while I remain.

100% Primordus. Scarlet has something that is going to protect her from the problems he presents and will likely be laughing in our face about it?

Two words:

Molten Alliance.

And how Scarlet’s previous poem, so courtously posted by Infamous Darkness.3284, ends with the same manner: And warm her hands over Kryta’s flames!

Then again, the interview which stated “no Elder Dragons with Scarlet”.

Edit: the interview was with TowerTalk, I think this one. Edit2: Yes, that interview and it’s near the end (naturally). He basically says they have a dragon plot for every couple years, and between them we’ll experience the more ‘personal stories’ like Kasmeer, Marjory, and Scarlet as well as things linked to dragons but not them themselves like Dragon Bash (and I would imagine, Tequatl Rising – the interview being before TR).

Daishi.6027:

Does this not constitute as lore? My bad.

I would say no, because it is an art issue. I mean, if you try to explain logically within a lore context how even half of the armors and weapons make sense, you’ll still never be able to succeed.

Not even for a tenth of them.

Armor and weapons in the GW franchise are more for looks than making sense.

pzyonix.1645:

If you want likely Dragonchamps, think like Urgoz on steroids for Mordremoth (assumed name for the Jungle Dragon) or the Sylvari starter personal quest dragon.

The Great Destroyer, defeated exchamp of Primordus in GW1 also was dragonshaped, just like the Claw of Jormag and The Shatterer are shaped like dragons.

No, a sylvari becoming a champion doesn’t make sense. Neither being a minion, she is just way to narcissistic to follow anyone or anything.

Erm… Not all dragon champions are dragon-shaped. Despite the title “dragon champion” all that such means is a very powerful minion of the Elder Dragons.

Eye of Zhaitan, Mouth of Zhaitan, Morgus Lethe (a risen norn), Svanir (aka nornbear(pig)), and so forth are all dragon champions. Kudu even turned himself into a mutli-dragon dragon champion.

Despite this though, Scarlet being a sylvari prevents the whole “being a dragon minion” let alone “being a dragon champion” given their immunity – until it is proven that they can be corrupted for new reasons that was previously impossible (different means or something… though we only got mention of them being immune to Zhaitan’s corruption in-game, an old interview mentioned their immunity in a general sense a long time ago).

Rym.1469:

the novel “The Edge of Destiny” we can read that our überteam are on the hillarious cheese “killing spree” with Dragon Champions, killing one after one, with merely a tea-break.
However, those minions don’t look like dragons at all. The Icy guy , champion of Jormag looks like some variation of Icebrood from what I remember, Destroyer of Life, the Primo buddy is just a destroyer and Zhaitan’s thingy is undead pirate.
It can be that this novel is just poorly written (worst of all three novels, Jeff Grub rocks) and shouldn’t be treaten as any part of serious lore besides making buddy-buddy Edge of Destiny and then breaking it on Kralkatorrik’s fight, but dunno…

Just want to note two things:

You said the Dragonspawn was an icebrood not a dragon… well, yes, it’d be an icebrood because all of Jormag’s minions are icebrood, this would include the Claw of Jormag. Same comment to your mention of Primordus’ champion (Destroyer of Life) being “just a destroyer”.

And EoD, while poor in quality, is heavy in lore and it is to be taken as serious lore – except possibly the description of locations, since the said descriptions are based on pre-redesign early beta designs (like Hoelbrak and Lion’s Arch).

EragamerLG.2390:

At the end of one of the Arah paths you see Mordremoth(or another Elder Dragon) being formed in the stars..

No you don’t. You see the formation of a star, and as Varra states if you talk to her at the end of the path, the formation of the star doesn’t dictate events in Tyria but marks the passing of ages – an act that’s actually not very different from the Canthan calendar’s ages, which were determined via study of the stars. The difference between the two is that – according to Varra whom gets her stuff from jotun research, stars form once every 10,000 years and the last time a star was formed was when the Elder Dragons was last awake.

You do not see an Elder Dragon forming, nor do you see something that heralds the awakening/birth of an Elder Dragon. You see a completely unrelated-to-Elder Dragons act in the heavens occurring.

Bellyboomer.3048:

But yeah, Konig has you by the balls again, like he does with everything on this forum

Wuh? Buh? Er… Sorry, but my boat does not float that way.