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Abaddon was not really a retcon. While never mentioned by name, there was always hints of a dark force behind things. Dark Oak’s little prophecy was never clearly about the White Mantle and Mursaat, and was possibly a hint to Khilbron (the “lion” via the Chimera of Intensity skill, or w/e it was called) and the forces behind him. Shiro was even more hinted to be having string/forces behind him. Firstly, he was hinted to be a little influenced by dark forces in An Empire Divided while still alive – though this didn’t really make it into the game. And when we stopped Shiro’s actions, Suun said that our deeds had greater consequences than we knew – again, a hint that there was more to Shiro than met the eyes. Furthermore, even the Realm of Torment and that Shiro was to be taken to some extremely punishing afterlife (aka the Realm of Torment though never named in that situation) was shown in Prophecies and Factions respectively.
By the way, Tombs of the Primeval Kings wasn’t a retcon, nor was it done prior to Nightfall but rather prior to Factions – specifically after the first Wintersday, 3 or so months prior to Factions’ release and iirc happened around the same time the Factions preview quests in Kryta appeared. Furthermore, rather than a retcon, it was a progression of story – since it didn’t retroactively alter the canon (retcon literally being short as “retroactive continuity”). It’s no different than the GW2’s Living Story altering Auld Red Wharf from a ruined town to nothing but rubble because the krait tore it down. But the tendrils present at Tombs that was later seen as Abaddon’s “hair” was always there – as were the earliest of his forces, the torment demons. It also included some of Dhuum’s forces, whom were allied with Abaddon as it was revealed later. The lead-up to Nightfall was actually Dragon Festival 2006, which happened between Factions’ and Nightfall’s release and featured The Fury and the same minions as from the Tomb of the Primeval Kings.
The thing was that it was just more hinting to Dhuum being the mastermind pulling strings rather than Abaddon, during Prophecies at least.
Either way, hidden dark forces were hinted upon since day one, it’s just that the hints seemed to point in one direction but were pointing in a close-but-not-quite direction (thought to be Dhuum, was Dhuum’s partner-in-crime using parts of his forces).
Khilbron is a bigger “possible retcon” but you do have to keep in mind that when writing Prophecies, there were opposing views of how to take that story (which is why, I believe, it seems to go back and forth between undead and mursaat as the main enemies – though this was one of the things that made it so good despite the sub-par writing and voice acting).
If you must scream ‘Abaddon was a retcon added in!’ then scream it as something added between Prophecies and Factions, as that when the real undeniable and non-retconning hints to him – even if never named – were put in. Though it’s my belief that, in development, it was planned for Dhuum to take the stage initially, but the spotlight got moved to a dark ancient god who was originally to be Arachnia (as there’s a lot of concept art for Factions have spider-related aspects) but got changed to Abaddon.
Old interview? How old?
It was during sylvari week with Ree Soesbee.
Per an old interview, she was sentient and aware while Ronan was still around, so while a sapling more or less.
Usually, I’d agree with you lordkrall.
Thing is, characters can be absolutely correct in cases of first-hand accounting (unless they’re lying) and most of our historic lore actually comes from the blog posts and the like. Some are written from an in-universe perspective, others are not. Some of the things that Anet has been changing is little different than us in 1000 years from now saying that George Washington was a dictator who insighted a revolution to lead a new country into tyranny, but had a change of heart later in his life.
That’s how much their lore on the gods and humanity’s history changes.
Could Malyck’s tree be an offshoot of the Pale Tree? As in, at some point in the distant past, might the Pale Tree have produced some other type of ‘fruit’ besides the sylvari (and the hounds) for the sole purpose of reproduction – ‘fruit’ which managed to take root somewhere and grow?
Extremely illogical to have occurred. If this was the case, then the Pale Tree would know of Malyck’s tree. But I believe it was stated that she didn’t. It was as new to her as it was new to the PC, Caithe, and Trahearne.
- Scarlet`s Molten Alliance is actually a capable force, able to fight off two of the races which are mostly known for her combat capabilities. The Norn and the Charr.
This isn’t entirely true, as the Molten Alliance was able to do so much damage because they literally did blitzkrieg attacks and created so much chaos no one was able to figure out what was happening for months (even in-game time which is odd to me). Once they were figured out, the floor was wiped with them.
Same goes for all of Scarlet’s little ploys. Once she’s figured out and in the open, she’s easily beaten.
That’s not what the goal of the Nightmare Tree was. The Nightmare Tree was said to be able to “amplify the darkest desires of the tree’s owner.” Obtaining the Nightmare Tree would supposedly give Fionna the power to summon and control every spider in the world, or allow Vevina to enthrall everyone to her will, and strengthen Leurent so he could march his army and conquer the world with brute force.
I believe there’s a few NPCs stating that the charr cleared most of them out. Like Narcemus said, probably to level out the ground – they’re tearing down the Great Wall in Iron Marches for that reason as well.
I mean yeah the mists can be past/present/future, but if abaddons power was absorbed, would he be able to go to the mists and come back? that just seems like poor writing.
Abaddon’s dead so if he returns it’d be some “Abaddon from the distant past” if anything.
These are the other current LS plots happening, though we’ve got little on them. The funny thing is, you ask for more villains but people ask for fewer breaks from Scarlet because it slows down progression of the story (See the month of September). It isn’t “scarlet, Scarlet, and more SCARLET” but that Scarlet is the main foe currently. Kind of like how Zhaitan was the main foe of the Personal Story but even after joining an Order you still combated non-Risen.
note: haven’t read Stephan’s posts
Actually, FlamingFoxx, the Dream is not confirmed to be part of the Mists. We do know it is a physical (or at least metaphysical) location, but while there are similarities between it and the Mists we do not yet have confirmation it is part of the Mists.
I had originally thought a tie to the Fervid Censor too, but the pollen’s appearance and immediate known effects are different. The Fervid Censor’s pollen is akin to the krait glow, but not the blue and black spoors. Furthermore, the Fervid Censor’s effects are irreversible – the animals are permanently berserk. Whereas the toxic spores are only effective so long as they’re in your system – the hallucinations aren’t permanent. The Fervid Censor also aggravates what it affects, making them more aggressive; the toxic spoors can be argued to do this, but indirectly via making the victim believe he/she is under attack. But the latter turns allies against each other on top of them against their enemies as well as thin air – the former (the Fervid Censor) does not by all our accounts.
Because of this, I think that the Fervid Censor may be tied to Mordremoth, while the toxic spoors/offshoots and the giant plant is not.
Not to mention this would tie Scarlet to Canach and we were told in a forum post that Canach wasn’t tied to the Molten Alliance’s mysterious benefactor whom turned out to be Scarlet by all accounts known (though there’s still a tiny-to-insignificant chance they weren’t formed by her but overtaken by her upon their defeat by the Vigil, Braham, Rox, Canach, and the PCs). And while Anet certainly go back on their words, even I still have hope that they won’t tie everything (at this point being “Zephyrites, Canach, Consortium, Tequatl, and Moto”) in the Living Story to Scarlet.
On a side note, I want to glare at whoever is editing the wiki atm. On the Pale Tree page, they have it written down that the Pale Tree is the creator of the Dream, and she’s the one that puts the collective knowledge and emotion of the Sylvari into it.
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Just checked the article’s history and it turns out that mention is pre-release information where we at the time given the implication that she was the origination of the Dream. We only found out otherwise in the third BWE demo in August 2012.
I’ll go and slap an out of date tag on the article til I or someone else can get around to fixing it.
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Though not to such… extremes as what NinjaChris said, my mentality is on that line.
Isgarren and the whole of Garrenhoff are rather isolated – and isolationist. They’re kept safe by their own means and even the toxic spores hold no true threat to them as we can see. Isgarren doesn’t care that the elementals he gives are used for menial labor nor does he care that the Arcane Eye sets up shop in “his town” (it’s not really his mind you, he just gives protection to it for some unknown reason). They don’t care about the centaur war because “they’re safe from it” – same with the krait, ettins, and other threats that’s been around since GW2’s release. So why should they care about the Toxic Alliance?
Them suddenly caring about something that’s no more a threat that a strong continuous gust of wind can prevent (and given the amount of elementals, I’m sure he can whip up a few air elementals to do just that) feels like it’d hurt the lore around Garrenhoff.
I dunno… Scarlet may be insane, but she’s still no idiot. She’d know full well that the Pale Tree is the only source for sylvari – no Pale Tree, no sylvari.
Unless she does know about Malyck and Scarlet’s intention is to effectively do what Caithe and Trahearne feared the Nightmare Court would do (burn down the Pale Tree and “start over”).
Also, as to the Dream giving fundamental knowledge to all born sylvari – Malyck by all our accounts and knowledge had no influence with the Dream of Dreams – same or otherwise. And before the amnesia argument gets brought up: He didn’t have amnesia, that was just the player characters’ assumption based on the fact that Malyck didn’t know what the Pale Tree, Grove, and Dream of Dreams were. But despite this, Malyck has a basic understanding of the world – though how much of this is from him picking things up in the 2 weeks (?) that he was with the Wardens before the Nightmare Court attacked is anyone’s guess.
You mean because I have yet to receive the artificial pixel cash from drax and Eluviete? Because pixel money means a lot to me in a game I’ve lost interest in playing beyond seeing the story develop (something that took four years to occur in GW1, mind you I began playing after Factions’ release so there’s that).
I’m just being honest here. It’s very easy to get caught up in the hate for Scarlet and yeah, there’s a kitten ton of mistakes about her. I’m far from “okay” with her. I’m just trying to play the devil’s advocate which in this case is explaining how Scarlet isn’t as bad as everyone claims. I’m not saying she’s good to the lore – just that people are exaggerating her problems.
Also, we know the origins of steam creatures. One user on the wiki was just making an edit war claiming that those in Lornar’s Pass may hold a different origin than those in the personal story where it is stated the Grand Sovereign invented them.
Still doesn’t explain the origins. And one person’s speculation doesn’t make it true.
Excuse me, but how does that not explain the origins?
The Grand High Sovereign – the future version of the asura player character – made the Steam creatures. This is fact and is their origins.
And who’s speculating here? This comes straight from the horse’s mouth so I’m certainly not speculating.
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Also, we know the origins of steam creatures. One user on the wiki was just making an edit war claiming that those in Lornar’s Pass may hold a different origin than those in the personal story where it is stated the Grand Sovereign invented them.
Oh, no, no.
We just know that guy used them too. And nothing else. We don’t know if the Grand Sovereign made them all, or if he was the one that originally developed them, or if Scarlet is using the same ones, or some she made herself, not even if hers are related to his, or if she simply saw them through the mists and decided to make her own.
All we know for sure is “The Grand Sovereign had steam creatures as minions” and “Scarlet has steam creatures as minions”, as player characters haven’t seen anything else, and we can’t trust what Scarlet and the Grand Sovereign themselves say.
That’s why the steam creatures are one of the few good edges in Scarlet’s story. The other ones being whatever she saw that ‘turned’ Ceara into Scarlet, and — needless to say — Hobotron.
Ahem
" Wait until you get to know my creations. In my reality, they conquered Tyria. "
To be his creations, he must have created them. This point blank states that the Grand High Sovereign made the Steam creatures.
Why can’t we trust what the bragging villain says? Sure, he could be lying, but the rule of thumb when it comes to lore is “truth until proven otherwise” when it comes to non-contradicted information.
The guy on the left of Scarlett looks more like a minotaur or an Axon (The demons near Shadow Behemoth) to me than the molten berserker if you ask me, I mean, look at the horns.
The guy on the left is the Molten Berserker from Flame and Frost. Without a doubt. The blue glow, the cybornetic metal in his body. The gloves. Definitely the Molten Berserker – even if the concept art doesn’t fully match the in-game model.
Also, Aatxe, not Axon.
I could have sworn there was an official statement from anet that all the fractals take place in the past.[…]
yeah they originally said the past then doubled back and said past present or possible futures( probably to cover all ground so they can keep it creative). But yes i mention the fractal not as a current thing but just a oddity that they would do a Abaddon fractal and now were seeing these trademark 6 eyes. Im not holding my breath or anything, just curious notion cuz like you said , it could have just as well been glint, but it wasn’t. why Abaddon specifically?
OH, I missed that they changed that. Alright then. thank you.
Actually, what was said about the Fractals is that all current Fractals in Fractals of the Mists dungeon are about the past (excluded from the statement being Dessa’s lab and possibly Uncategorized Fractal), but that the Mists – and by extension the Factals of the Mists – can be about past, present, or future. There was no “backtracking” involved in this statement.
Did I missread this or have you said nothing about the Twisted Nightmare creatures? Or do you mean the watchknights by these. They look like these a lot, with the watckwork theme around them. Still I would consider them as an at least as big ally as the steam creatures, as she has TONS of them.
Twisted Clockworks are just the Watchknights being redesigned – so I did mention them. The reason why I included so little is because – as I have said multiple times now – her actions during Queen’s Jubilee was purely done on a whim. Her pre-planning didn’t, couldn’t, involve the watchknights and by extention the Twisted Clockworks minions.
On a side note, I find it interesting that they changed the appearance of these portals in terms of where the creatures are coming from.
Has the invasion ones changed? I noticed the portal that mimiced Scarlet’s in Kessex Hills with the caves event was similar but different. Hadn’t have a chance to look at the invasion events again since.
I think you are much too less thinking about the portal tech/science here. Scarlet didn’t get the portal tech from the Aetherblades, as also the MA could make portals. Think about the portals in Wayfarer Foothills during F&F. These orange coloured portals. These apeared to have been made by the Flame Legion Shamans. So they casn make portals too. Scarlet herself is not known to make the portals with her own magic/energy, although many just assume she can do this. THIS tech, she could have gotten from the Aetherblades. I also noticed that Scarlet could float in mid-air during the Jubilee, so she probably is making these portals herself.
I have never seen any of the steam creatures come from their realms portals, so the reverse engineering idea is a good one. However, during the Emissairy Vorrp field quest, we need to go to a steam device in gendarran fields, where there is also a steam portal: On this page you can see it.
Yes, I’m aware of that. I place that also as reverse engineering. Wish there was more on it but sadly there is none.
Scarlet seems to care about them more than she does with the other alliances.
How do you get this? Because of the preview featuring twisted clockworks and concept art for the Molten Berserker and Aetherblades? True she wasn’t seen much in the Molten Alliance situation – but keep in mind that until we breached the facilities four months (even in-game time) after the attacks began, we only barely saw the footsoldiers. It’d be like comparing four months of what we currently have in-game of the Toxic Alliance. By the time we got into their facilities, Scarlet could have gotten what she needed and have been long gone.
The flower raises the big question. Why is it there and why does she need the Krait. I am one hundred percent sure she could have pulled this off without the help of the Krait, as they don’t seem to be into intoxicating people, but more like flooding them. This is what bothers me, what is the role of the Krait in all this, apart from them being pretty smart.
I think she needed both a large source of water, defenders for the plant, and the magic of the obelisks. The obelisks are said to be like the Bloodstone shards in that they contain a good deal of magic – not made from the same material, but both are holding strong magic. They could also act as defenders as the plant grows, and that tower around it is pretty defensible.
On top of trying to free the Sylvari from the Dream and Nightmare, I think that Scarlet might want to do something against the Pale Tree as well.
Good point but the Pale Tree is the caretaker of the Dream so one can view ridding the sylvari of the Dream and Wyld Hunts to also be doing something against the Pale Tree to make her no longer the caretaker of the Dream.
The Tower of Nightmares is located in Viathan Lake. The lake is named after a leviathan which a fisherman claimed he caught there. So it’s safe to assume that the Krait work with/worship these things and we will be fighting one in the next release. I’ve attached a picture. I believe that the leviathan will be a dragon champion.
I disagree that it is “safe to assume” – we know who they worship, the Prophets. The leviathans are just natural sea creatures – many bones of which are seen throughout Orr and elsewhere along the Sea of Sorrows’ shore. Leviathans are basically giant sharks in appearance. Krait don’t worship them and though I wouldn’t doubt that they tame some leviathans, I doubt they “work with” them.
Furthermore, we have years-old confirmation that the leviathans are not dragon minions if that’s what you mean at the end – it was a statement after the Manifesto video came out where a leviathan was featured at the end and Regina and others stated that it is unrelated to the Elder Dragons.
Fun fact: there’s at least two leviathan models that were found in the gw.dat and event info for a Mount Maelstrom leviathan event (chain?) involving leviathans – I suspected that the Blood Witch’s “pet” which she had sacrifices for was to be for a leviathan pet.
Regarding the tower itself, I am going out on a limb and saying that the giant toxic offshoot is actually the tail of Mordramoth and the smaller toxic offshoots are part of his body rising out of the ground. If you remember Kralkatorrik’s back was a mountain range in-between the Dalada Uplands and the Grothmar Wardowns (which can be clearly seen in-game and on maps from Guild Wars 1).
Interesting theory but I’m doubtful. We have multiple mentions of “a toxic seed has been sown” which to me implies that Scarlet provided the Toxic Alliance a special seed – I’ve been theorizing that the secret of Caithe’s that she knows is Malyck and that she found the cave of seeds Ronan got the Pale Tree’s seed from, and that the plant the tower’s built around is said seed – it’s been hastened in growing by sylvari magic (whom are well known for growing plants) but it isn’t mature enough to produce any sylvari itself (or it’s been so corrupted in its growing that it cannot). The leaves of the main plant are rather similar to the Pale Tree’s leaves too (at least to me), though not entirely.
The ‘nightmare’ of the Nightmare Court comes from Mordramoth, so I think the inclusion of so many nightmares surrounding these toxic offshoots is a hint. Also the toxin functions so similar to branded or icebrood that I have to assume this is directly related to Mordramoth.
Just wanting to note, that the whole “Nightmare comes from Mordremoth” thing is pure fan speculation right now. A theory I adhere to but you shouldn’t state it as fact, since it isn’t.
And a side note: the toxin actually doesn’t function like icebrood or branded – dragon corruption is permanent. The toxins are not necessarily so.
Scarlet’s goal is stated in the short story, "The forces that push us this way or that can be redirected. They can be set against one another to the detriment of both, and now I know how.” Is she setting dragons against eachother, or is she setting the Tyrian races against themselves? I don’t know.
I don’t think she’s pitting dragons against each other – nothing she’s done has had anything to do with the dragons thus far. Nor do I think she’s setting the Tyrian races against each other. “The forces that push us this way or that” really just refer to predetermination – e.g., the concept of fate. Which is what the Wyld Hunts more or less are for the sylvari – and by extension, the Dark Hunts (Nightmare Court’s version of Wyld Hunts) and via both of them, the Dream and Nightmare.
Did Scarlet attack Queen Jennah at the request of the Fire Legion?
It was stated in an interview with TowerTalk that she attacked the Jubilee purely out of a whim.
Scarlet doesn’t ruin lore – just bends it to near the breaking point. But she is very choppy storytelling with no or improper exposition and progression scaling of the plot. The time for that exposition has come and gone so there’s no real redeeming it – trying to do so would be like ME3’s extended cut DLC. It “fixes” the issues but the damage has been done nonetheless.
Scarlet’s “arc” has always been intended to come to a plan and a few months back now there was an interview between TowerTalk and Scott/Angel in which Scott said that Scarlet is a “filler arc” to give players time between Elder Dragon plots that’ll happen “every couple years” (paraphrased). In other words, it was probably always intended for Scarlet to take the whole of 2013 and some of 2014. So I doubt that ArenaNet “just want[s] to get rid of Scarlet asap.”
I realize things come up… but things come up is a fine excuse for 2-3 things at most… if you miss 11 out of the 15 or so things then there is some much bigger problem.
Going back to the OP list, 5 and 6 got announced to be delayed – possibly 9 by extension. 7 and 10 are upcoming still. 3 and 4 are pretty much the same thing. I’m pretty sure 8 was announced to be testing now, as are 1 and 2 and they’re probably saving 9 for when 8 is finished. And 11 wasn’t said to be coming in 2013.
So what “11 out of 15”? Stop counting your eggs before they hatch, as the saying goes. Besides, it isn’t 11 but 7 – 1 and 2 are the same more or less, 3 and 4 are the same more or less, 5 and 6 are the same more or less, and 11 isn’t included in 2013.
You guys must not be reading the same blog I am…
See: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/
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You do realize that it is entirely possible for people to give themselves more things to do than they’re actually capable of?
Imagine if you had a set order you want to do stuff in, and give yourself a deadline for them all. But one thing takes more time than you expected, thus you aren’t able to get even half of what you wanted done, done.
Possible it happened? Yeah. Likely? Probably not. But kitten does happen and as shown in this post the one thing that was outright stated to be in 2013 was said to be having delays.
And face it, new traits and skills cannot be added willy-nilly. They need to properly test and balance them in all three formats, to ensure no one’s getting an unreasonable upper hand anywhere. And that’s probably among the first on their list (though I think it shouldn’t be).
As far as I know the ascended armor crafting, and fractals have both been said to be on schedule so whatever patch they land in should be a big one, and people might explode if they are both in the same patch.
I’m sure they will be, given how tied Fractals and Ascended gear is.
And it’ll likely be coming in the Nov 26th or Dec 10th update(s).
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SHE DID ruin flame legion simple really shes female flame legion hate females with a passion and see them as servants in their world why would any fallow her? oh right the would not ever and no it was not manipulation.. its a magical world called “we cant tie this in well WHO CARES throw it in anyway those lore fans can rot for all we care”
second in dredge another xenophobic race that make less sense fallowing her by ALLOT more one xenophobes that one thing but the big one is them serving her they would never put themselves on that spot after what happened with the dwarf why fallow a useless plant who is quite clearly not here to help.
And then there is the krait a race of crazy guys who see all other races as beneath them see nothing as any real threat and are devout followers of a religious text that has only subtle changes made by its priest. So if scarlet tampered with it she would be killed even if it was subtle, killed and if she had a Krait obelisks shard to bribe them KILLED no matter how strong her armies were to back up the bribe because Krait, as i said see nothing a threat.
Flame Legion
Actually, they hate female charr, and if you had one and talked to the Flame Legion Prisoner at the end of Flame and Frost, you’d have had the prisoner insult you multiple times and refuse to give you any details. But the prisoner will easily explain himself to female norn/human/sylvari/asura the same way he would to male norn/human/sylvari/asura.
Out of all those who worked for Scarlet, the Flame Legion actually make the most sense.
Dredge
Go play Sorrow’s Embrace story mode. The dredge are not fully xenohpbic. Under Shukov’s rule, they have learned to accept the asura as allies and intended to – and I quote Shukov – “humble the sylvari.”
Shukov’s reign was corrupt and wasn’t finished with Sorrow’s Embrace explorable (see Frostgorge Sound hearts). They were willing to work with and partially under other races (namely the Inquest) in order to obtain more power.
Krait
She couldn’t tamper with the krait religious texts, but she could convince the Oratuss to do so. The Oratuss are fanatic as well, but they are corrupt first and foremost. It wouldn’t be surprising to see them alter the text to say “And Scarlet Briar is a herald of the Prophets’ return!” Besides, there is no physical text – it’s all memorized as the krait have no written language. So what the Oratuss say is what the “religious text” says. So if she manages to convince the Oratuss, she has the entire krait race working for her, as non-Oratuss krait are fully about serving the religious texts, and as I said: what the Oratuss say the religious texts say, is what the religious texts say. Control the Oratuss, control all krait.
She didn’t ruin the lore YET. It’s just unexplained and that makes it hard to believe. Depending on how it is explained can make or break the lore though.
I’m still wondering what the purpose of all of this is. But I’m bracing myself for disappointment. What have all these alliances been leading up to? Was it really worth all the trouble for Scarlet?
I’m holding to my original theory in that she needed the advancement of magitech. I’ve gone into more details to said theory in the thread I linked above, but in summary:
Most of the main parts of her actions are about obtaining advanced weaponry/technology and new sources of power. Even hijacking the Watchknights, an act done on a whim, go to this.
Her goal as we know is to effectively destroy the Dream and Nightmare – to remove the predetermination (aka Wyld Hunts and Dark Hunts) of her race. Why she needs this technology though… I don’t quite get how the two dots connect, but I theorize that she’s making a hallucinogen bomb that’ll disconnect the sylvari from the Dream of Dreams (and thus the Nightmare and Wyld/Dark Hunts).
We get hints she is stealing stuff for a massive plan (very subtle), and she has corrupted political officials.
While she has attempted to get Mai Trin into the Captain’s Council, I don’t think this is directly relevant to her plot, as it is the only case of political affairs she has taken other than attempting to assassinate/kidnap the Queen.
I suspect getting Mai Trin onto the council was her way of getting the Aetherblades’ cooperation. But they messed up and was already in too deep to pull out of Scarlet’s insanity.
Or how about that emulated Steam Creature portal device that she has in Gendarran Fields. Does that means she can explore parallel universes (through the mists), and that’s why she knows how certain events will transpire?
Technically speaking, we don’t really know how the whole alternate universes work in GW, so we cannot say she can leave this world for the one the Steam creatures go to – there could be various reasons preventing her. All dependent on the rule of thumb that the GWverse follows with these things. But it’d be nice to see it explored.
Lore is not unwritten here just expanded and that has always been something that has made Guild Wars so great.
stepping all over established Krait, Dredge, Flame Legion and, even the Asura starting quest lore to shove scarlet in is not “expanding lore” its killing it and making scarlet the sole cause all the worlds woe for what? oh right a “pay off” that will tie it all together…No i rather she was the retconed one out not the lore that was there before her.
Well she didn’t step over the established Krait, Dredge, Flame Legion and especially not the Asura starting quest Lore. (playing the first story missions would show that only the golem was sabotaged, and the Inquest tempered with the hardware itself and not the design)
The Flame Legion, dredge, and Nightmare Court working with Scarlet are relatively reasonable – but the Molten Alliance is hard to swallow though not impossible, and the krait are even harder to swallow (Toxic Alliance only depending on how she got their cooperation) but again not impossible.
The asura starting story that was meant was the fact that Scarlet got shoehorned into being part of Teyo’s krewe that stole blueprints from the Rata Sum archives – leading to the Weather Machine storyline (not the Floating Grizwhirl or the haywire golems). She didn’t “step on it” but she was shoehorned in when it was unnecessary. That’s how most of her history is – just unnecessary stuff to make her seem even more “awesome” and capable of doing anything.
Honestly, all they needed was that she joined up with the Inquest. Didn’t need that charr sniper training, or working with the most famous modern norn blacksmith and even the hylek training is presented in the story as “she didn’t need it but she did it anyways” and only holds a sway in the story if that training is what led to the Toxic Alliance’s toxins.
People claim that the issue is that Scarlet “breaks the lore” but really that’s not the case. Scarlet doesn’t break the lore – she just bends it unreasonably with no explanation for why it gets bent, just that it is. And that makes people think it’s broken. If Anet went and explained how she got the oppressor-hating dredge who also hate charr on a whole in of themselves to work with the oppressive charr Flame Legion, and if Anet went and explained how she got the xenophobic “all races are inferior to us” to work for her and alongside the Nightmare Court, then maybe people would dislike her less. All we got of the Molten Alliance is “we needed fire magic! Scarlet provided it in the form of Flame Legion!” and “we needed tech! Scarlet provided it in the form of dredge!” which doesn’t really answer why dredge went to Flame Legion rather than trying to siphon into the power of Destroyers again.
I have my own theories on why the Molten Alliance, Aetherblades/Inquest, and Toxic Alliance formed. Which I’ve posted here since I feel it’d be better in a new thread than an old Scarlet-hate thread.
Scarlet’s plans
This is hard to figure out but I got a good theory I think.
We were told that the Jubilee was done on a whim, so it likely doesn’t play into her overarching schemes. So let’s look at what each alliance and asset (Molten Alliance, Aetherblades, Steam creatures, and Toxic Alliance) gives:
Most of the main parts of her actions are about obtaining advanced weaponry/technology and new sources of power. Even hijacking the Watchknights go to this, giving her new robotic material designs beyond the Steam creatures to work with.
Her goal as we know is to effectively destroy the Dream and Nightmare – to remove the predetermination (aka Wyld Hunts and Dark Hunts) of her race. Why she needs this technology though… Connecting the two dots is hard to do – we’re obviously still missing stuff.
My theory however is that she’s making some sort of hallucinogen bomb to drop on the Grove, making them hallucinate and break them from the Dream in ways not yet explained. And she’d do the same to Nightmare Courtiers. And with the Toxic Alliance, she’ll have all the materials she needs (Aetherblades for air transportation, Molten Alliance for “lighting the fuse”, Toxic Alliance for the hallucinogen). The Clockheart was probably meant to power this, but with its death she got pushed back.
There will only be the need to alpha-test it – which is likely to be January’s content (presuming she doesn’t crash Wintersday). And February’s or March’s content will be the end of Scarlet (crosses fingers).
So there’s enough Scarlet-hate threads, I don’t need that brought here. I’m making this to post my thoughts and theories to explain, in at least a semi-reasonable manner, both how Scarlet has gotten so many to work with her, why she needs them, and what she intends to do from what she gained out of them. This is just my attempt to un-bend the lore that Scarlet’s plot is risking to break (but hasn’t quite yet if you dig enough).
Note: This is almost all theorycrafting based off of the few facts we gained
The Molten Alliance
The facts behind the dredge and Flame Legion prior to the Molten Alliance is that they both were plunged into civil war – Flame Legion Tribunes fighting against each other (per CoE path 3), and the old moletariate being usurped by a new not-corrupted one (per SE path 2 and 3). The outcome of either civil war – if there is a conclusion yet – is unknown.
I have been believing that it is just a single Tribune of the Flame Legion who began working with Scarlet, and that it is the old moletariate, formerly led by Shukov, who is working with Scarlet. For the moletariate, whom are mentioned by the Molten Alliance dredge and the Whispers’ spy in the MA, they were willing to work with the asura and sylvari (specifically saying that the Inquest were allies and that the dredge would “humble the sylvari”), leading them to work with Scarlet being not unreasonable in of itself. And via the Destroyer path, we know that they sought the power of fire for overtaking the surface.
My theory is that Scarlet used her Inquest ties (whatever may remain – some must given their presence during Dragon Bash/Sky Pirates of Tyria) to find out about the old moletariate’s actions. Knowing that the Destroyers failed, Scarlet came up with an alternative that they didn’t like but were too powerhungry (per the Prisoner at the end of Flame and Frost) that they didn’t care.
After its formation, the MA could have then led to the victory of the civil war(s) – or not, hard to tell with no delving into dredge and Flame outside of the Molten Alliance.
Aetherblades
The Aetherblades are a hard case to pin down. I’m guessing that she rounded up the remnants of Taidha’s armada – the Order of Whispers intended to get that easy-going captain (forgot name) be the new leader, but nothing says that succeeded. What if Mai Trin was able to succeed Taidha but still had the Order of Whispers on her back? Uniting those pirates of multiple captains into the Aetherblades and working with the Inquest would give them the leverage they needed against the secret organization. And getting that captain’s seat would give them amity from the Lionguard. This would explain their motivation for joining Scarlet – and once Mai Trin failed to take the seat, the Aetherblades were too deep in Scarlet’s insanity to back out – and it would explain their numbers as Taidha commanded the largest pirate armada in modern times, IIRC.
Toxic Alliance
The Nightmare Court involved is only a splinter faction – probably a fallout faction from the three-way battle in Twilight Arbor. Scarlet gets their help by promising the spreading of the Nightmare (be it truth or lies). They’re the easy ones to figure out, since the Court’s motives are so simple. Even their own pain furthers the Nightmare so they’d be willing to risk enslavement by the krait.
As for the krait – I wouldn’t be surprised if she sent ether a hologram to contact the Oratuss or she had Courtiers go one after another until the krait got tired of killing the messengers and listened to it, being promised a chance for the return of their prophets and obtaining a shattered obelisk that was “found.” How it was found? Numerous ways. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were originally brought to Tyria by the krait, but stolen by the Aetherblades and held for ransom or “returned by those who killed the thieves.” Alternatively, the “Toxic Hybrid” we’ve seen the art of could be a Mordremoth-corrupted krait oratuss – the corruption and means of free will obtained by the Inquest who via Subject Alpha, Zone Green/Experimental Green Lab, and Kudu are known to have both Mordremoth’s corruption and a means of retaining free will after corruption.
Steam creatures
This is really the kittene to guess. Since the Queen’s Jubilee we’ve seen the Steam creatures as part of Scarlet’s invasions. The Clockheart seen in Twilight Arbor’s new Aetherpath is cybornetic, like the Molten Berserker and the Steam creatures. I suspect that their involvement goes only so far as that Scarlet captured some and reverse-engineered their technology to give her teleportation and her cyborgs.
Most likely it’s the Toxic Hybrid enemy. After killing him, we’ll get the Toxic Hybrid mini.
That sounds way to easy! it should be " IF we kill him, we get the mini" ;P
I don’t think a Living Story Content will ever be as difficult to kill as, for an example, Tequatl. Would be challenging though. I would be really excited if we ‘failed’ and then the Living Story would go on with all of the consequences!
the current Tequatl WAS a living story content update…
I don’t think Tequatl has ANYTHING to do with Scarlet or the Tower of Nightmares.
I’m talking about the Living Story content, not about a normal ingame content which has been revamped through an update.
The Living Story has more plots than just Scarlet.
Bobby Stein confirmed that there’s a story behind Tequatl’s power boost and that (really? that – it – ties is censored?) it ties into the Living Story somehow, despite the utter lack of story in the update itself. Nonetheless, Tequatl Rising was a Living World story update, not just a “normal ingame content which has been revamped through an update.”
Am I missing something? How is Tequatl connected to the Living Story?
He’s not. People are just being pedantic.
He is. We just don’t know how yet. But a developer stated that he is and there is an actual plot behind Tequatl Rising – even though we didn’t get any plot other than “Tequatl is stronger!” “Narru(to) is sent to fight Tequatl” and “Rytlock sent Rox to kill Tequatl to join the Stone Warband.”
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Given the tone he had and the other fallacies he made about the story and how he went out of his way to make the entire LS sound like it’s all about Scarlet when it isn’t, not really. Especially since the typo did make sense grammatically. I took that sentence as the same as what he said about Motto and Tequatl which is “it’s tied to Scarlet.”
Sorry but I just cannot disagree with the argument that is effectively “because it got retconned so many times, it’s likely that the rest of it isn’t true anymore as well.”
I think it’d be better to hold to a “true until proven otherwise” situation.
I’d say it’s more a case of believing the credibility of lore that’s constantly changing. Make so many edits after it’s publicized and people will get confused on what to believe. It’s not so much a case of Fanon Discontinuity so much as just not simply being sure what canon is anymore.
At least that’s how it’s getting to be for me. And it’s prompting arguments like this one by Draxynnic which can basically be summed down to “because the source(s) got proven wrong so many times, it’s reasonable to believe the rest of it is fully untrustworthy too.”
Obviously it’s ArenaNet.
The complaints from the players is about new lore that seems to contradict old lore – be they the ever-increasing retcons (which just causes players to question what they can and what they shouldn’t believe as canon) or be they things that are just confusing and don’t make sense with pre-established lore (such as the xenophobic krait working with Scarlet and the Nightmare Court). Basically the complaints occur when Anet says one thing, then goes and shows another thing without giving an explanation for why – or when they do give an explanation, the complaints come in about the explanation end up being “the old information was simply misinformed” (which is more or less what happened to all historic lore on the gods and humanity in continental Tyria by now – for the… fourth time I think).
Uh, you may want to re-read the wiki, because what the wiki says is this:
“Sylvari do infact have thermoreceptors as referenced by a Sylvari explorer in the Grove. She states that she dislikes Hoelbrak as it is too cold. "
The wiki says they do, not that they don’t.
Besides, you got an NPC in Hoelbrak, the one in the Grove, and a barefooted one in Wayfarer Foothills all complaining about the cold of the Shiverpeaks.
Side note: it seems that there was previously a mistake claiming they don’t, but this was fixed over a month ago on September 22nd.
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It has been, I’m pretty sure.
The Zephyrites aren’t related to the Aetherblades. What the hell are you talking about man. They’re the legacy-descendants of the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the dwarves in GW1 who protected and worked with Glint.
Seriously, if you’re going to argue about people learning the story maybe you could too?
Who were the bad guys for the Zephyrites? The Sky Pirates. Who makes up the Aetherblades? The Sky Pirates augmented with Inquest technology. That is how the Zephyrite arc is connected to Scarlet. She took the Sky Pirates and hooked them up with better gear to make a more dangerous organization.
Upon re-reading your previous post, I see now that you just worded things very wierd. Or rather, you used the wrong tense.
You said " The Zephyrites were plagues by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet."
What you meant to say was " The Zephyrites were plagued by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet."
What you said basically meant “the Zephyrites were part of the Aetherblades” – amazing what one little letter can do. Hence that confusion. And honestly, no, they weren’t plagued by the Aetherblades. There was ONE event where the Aetherblades attacked the Zephyrites. But there was also an event where the krait attacked. There was one instance where there was a downed Aetherblade ship, but it was far from plaguing the Zephyrites and was crashed before the Zephyrites showed up.
Bazaar of the Four Winds had no bad guy.
The Zephyrite arc is connected to the Living Story because of the election, not because of the bad guys as there was no real badguys. Otherwise you’d have to say the bad guys were all dungeon foes, the Jade Maw, all jumping puzzles, etc. There was no enemy focus in the two Zephyrite updates.
To say that the Aetherblades was plaguing the Zephyrites would be like saying that the icebrood are plaguing the High Legions because of their presence in Fireheart Rise (side note: they’re not).
Nope, grown from the tree. As to other trees spawning them… Possible but unknown.
Thruln the Lost proves to be false about some things he brings up. While we cannot be certain that the Six had dealings with jotun, we know that his claims for the humans are fully false – both in how they were when arriving on Tyria, their relationship to the gods, and their relationship to the jotun is also likely but the first two are certainly wrong. Furthermore, we have far more reports than Elder Thruln backing him up over Thruln the Lost about the fall of the jotun. Go explore Dredgehaunt Cliffs and you’ll find some of them.
Also there is the matter if magic. The Six did nog remove it, the Seers did. Though it seems they may have regained some as per the quaggan personal storyline where you can go retrieve some powerful magic to fuel a quaggan ritual.
Btw, here’s the reference to the mission I was talking about:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Split_SecondGods would be gods not just because of their power, but also because they exist for all worlds in the mists. And the more worlds they interact with, the more their power is spread and weakened.
Considering the multiverse theory , an infinite universe will contain an infinite number of Hubble volumes, all having the same physical laws and physical constants.
That being said The Mist is explained as following:
“The Mists is the oldest thing in existence, constituting the fabric of time and space that connects the multiverse together.”Which would mean that it is in fact connecting every parallel universe in existence.
That would explain that Abaddon is in fact is dead and no longer exist. Fractals being what they are can manipulate time and space making entities like Abaddon exist once again, for the sake of relieving the history. But at the same time just like you said, in form of memory or a dream.The simple fact that multiverse is mentioned in official description of The Mists is intriguing, pushing me closer and closer to believe my parallel universe theory where Scarlet somehow got the hang of “Infinity Ball” giving her ability to travel between those universes, creating one Ultra-Alliance.
Probably the most mysetrious thing in the whole living story are the Steam Creatures themselves as they being described as follows:“Steam creatures are mechanical abominations with steampunk design. Along with the dredge, steam creatures are one of the primary threats in Lornar’s Pass. The origin of the creatures are a mystery.”
Since that mystery never been resolved and Scarlet somehow got them under her control is just mind-boggling to me. Excitement for the unknown is just bursting out of me!
there are dozens of multiverse theories and we don’t know which one adheres in guild wars. Split Second only tells us that there are multiple possible futures. However, what we don’t know is if that future disappears from existence once it is avoided.
E.g., the Grand Sovereign may have destroyed his world by entering ours.
For all we know, the other universes are not alternate realities, just different universes.
Also, we know the origins of steam creatures. One user on the wiki was just making an edit war claiming that those in Lornar’s Pass may hold a different origin than those in the personal story where it is stated the Grand Sovereign invented them.
Probably 80 with scaling for anyone under.
This is how every single instance or new persistent zone is for the LS.
Technically speaking, that’s false. We’re not told why Dhuum gets stronger with deaths in the Underworld, just that he does. And I don’t recall confirmation of them being permanent either – but if there was, it certainly wasn’t tied to Dhuum “absorbing their souls.”
The only things that have devoured souls are demons (at least certain kinds of them like Margonites and torment creatures), Jormag, and two possibly-unique scarabs (Kephket Marrowfeast and the Eater of Souls – the latter called a demon incidentally but unclear if this is meant to be literal). In the former cases, devouring results in the destruction of the soul but not immediately; in the latter, we just know that they can remain in the belly for 200+ years. With Jormag it’s up in the air.
Very front page, you have this. A new thread on the same topic is not needed.
But it is EXTREMELY unlikely that the thing that looks like a planty upright snake is Margonite related just because it has six eyes.
News flash folks: Abaddon and Margonites are not the only things with six eyes. Shades, for example. Six eyes is a rather common theme throughout the whole of the franchise. Some of their artists that have been around since Prophecies just seems to have a thing for six eye horrors.
Drax, you have to keep in mind that such lines came from the same source that states that magic just did not exist at all in any way shape or form prior to 1 BE, and that the Bloodstones did not exist at all in any way shape or form prior to Year 0. So there isn’t really a matter of “how you define” it, given the source.
If it came from the devs, or some other source – especially a modern one – then yeah, I could go with what you argue. But it isn’t, so it seems foolhardy to try and play devil’s advocate on something so pointblank.
The only alternative to it being made in 1 BE/Year 0 would be that the source was wrong… again. Not unlikely, but not something we should blatantly presume without some solid reason to believe such.
Edit: Technically speaking, yes, all “worlds” and “realms” are within the Mists. It is protomatter that surrounds all things. But when people refer to the Mists as a place, they usually refer to the afterlives – which the Realm of Torment is among. In this case though, I’d argue he’s referring to the Mists in the sense of the “building blocks of creation” and where all things (seem to) go in the end – aka the protomatter.
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Is this going to have to be six degrees from Scarlet?
Ozzy/Eddie, Tixx/Toxx are holidays and hardly dirty deeds. The Zephyrites were plagues by sky pirates who are part of the Aetherblades who are controlled by Scarlet. Motto is Asura and doesn’t have a complete grasp of/ control of his creation. Scarlet was taught in all three colleges of the Asura and apparently saw the eternal alchemy, it would be right up her alley to take control of the SAB and use it against Tyria. Tequatl has grown powerful from reasons unknown following the defeat of Zaitan, which is counter intuitive to expectations, it’s possible that Scarlet could be behind it. It’s even possible that Scarlet is the one who bankrolled Canach and pushed him toward his ridiculous plans to mess up Southsun. It’s even feasible that she’s the reason the Consortium went there at all.
Is this absurd speculation and an obvious attempt to involve Scarlet in things she has no business with? Of course, but so is everything else involving her, so why stop there?
The spirits of madmen who killed hundreds in single events each trying to return to Tyria and cause death rather than being forced to play the jester is not a dirty deed?
A golem going haywire and programming toys to kill people isn’t a dirty deed?
Well then, I certainly don’t want to know what must be done to be considered a dirty deed!
The Zephyrites aren’t related to the Aetherblades. What the hell are you talking about man. They’re the legacy-descendants of the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the dwarves in GW1 who protected and worked with Glint.
An interview actually clarified Scarlet’s background. She didn’t pass all three colleges but special courses from all three colleges and she didn’t necessarily see the Eternal Alchemy but was placed in a sensory deprivation device – e.g., she lost all her sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell.
And you trying to put Scarlet behind Tequatl and SAB is just you doing that to try to unreasonably further discredit the storyline than its due. Same goes for you trying to argue Scarlet behind Canach and the Consortium – those are a bit more possible than SAB and Tequatl, especially Tequatl (nothing actually said the Risen would become weaker, just that their numbers would begin to thin – and it’s not like anyone’s defeated an Elder Dragon before to have empiracle evidence for what would happen, so stuff happening “counter intuitive to expectations” is completely and fully realistic to occur).
Don’t forget that the Aetherblades make extensive use of hard-light hologram technology, which they stole from SAB / Moto sometime around Dragon Bash when they first appeared. Seems like a pretty solid link to me.
Uh… Lionguard, not SAB/Motto – the Dragon Bash holograms were used by the Lionguard before stolen by the Aetherblades. And for the record, Motto wasn’t the originator of that hologram stuff – the Pact was. Specifically Ellie in the personal storyline.
Honestly people, if you’re going to argue the storyline’s all kittened up, then act least learn the god kitten ed story will ya?
I’ll be among the first to say that Scarlet is a bad addition to the story. But kitten man, I don’t go making up a bunch of lies and bringing in mere assumptions and theorycrafting just to make the story sound worse than it is.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/5e/Mini_Toxic_Hybrid.png
No it’s not Abaddon.
I never said it was Abaddon. But who’s to say this hybrid thing (hybrid of what exactly) isn’t somehow related or something?
On the guitar, you can see more of this plantguy and he gives a mursaat vibe – in that its stance is “better than thou” – but has an elongated “leggings” that’s only one, implying that it’s a plantish krait.
“Hybrid”? Hybrid between plant and krait.
Interesting idea…except for one problem.
He died at the end of Nightfall, and Kormir took his power. So he’s pretty much all but guaranteed to be a no show except for fractals.
Yeah I played through GW1 I know all about the events that took place. I’m just thinking it’d be interesting if they were somehow related in any way… I’m tryin to find hope for this living story here lol.
You really want Scarlet to be related to Abaddon in some way? How is that to make the LS better? To me, that’d just make it worse because lo-and-behold, now a dead gods’ minions fall in line behind the scrambled-salad-brain.
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Will it be temporary?
Most likely. We’ll be ending the main threat but “remnants” may remain – if anything.
Will it be a dungeon?
I’m doubtful. It sounds like The Crown Pavilion set-up to me.
The Cataclysm was not a spell older than the gods. It was a spell from 1 BE (specifically stated during Prophecies to be from “before the Bloodstones” which since the same source would say that magic didn’t exist until 1 BE, means it had to be 1 BE or 0 AE). Either way, definitely not before the Six Gods.
And I fail to see where you get “five different kinds of undead” – and how Khilbron, no matter how strong of a necromancer, could come back from his soul being destroyed (presuming that’s what happens otherwise souls would forever exist and the Mists would eventually fill up with an infinite number of souls – the Mists is said to have an edge, I believe, thus cannot contain an infinite number of souls).
That’s actually the plot of the “Defend the Spirits” norn personal storyline. The Sons of Svanir are butchering minotaurs countlessly in order to weaken and draw out the Minotaur Spirit that hasn’t been seen or heard from in generations (which they succeed in doing).
They come from the Pale Tree as well. Though unlike sylvari they are born small and grow up, and iirc, do not inherent knowledge from the Dream of Dreams.
To me none of the LV felt like it truly impacted the WORLD. Sure zones got changed, but the world stayed the same. Just look at the current LV there is a huge tower in the middle of a lake, but the humans and centaurs still have their petty land disputes..
So how would you try and solve this? And a second question is how far would you like to see the impact of say a tower in Kessex be felt content wise? The balance here is of course total volume of work for those involved, to literally have the entire world react to what’s going on would take us 6+ months to build, which at that point isn’t actually meeting our goals of a regularly changing and evolving world.
In the case of this content update:
The pollen can be seen in the air all the way across the zone, and there are offshoots in all bordering zones even. Yet the only people who care about the situation are those who were added this update.
Why are there no folks hallucinating in Fort Salma? Garrenhoff? Claypool? Why do the centaurs and bandits just simply ignore the life-threatening… threat to them that’s not even a mile away?
These things break immersion. I hear you guys say something along the lines of “if we’re going to do something awesome, we don’t want to half-kitten it” (my own words but same meaning). But that is exactly what Tower of Nightmares feels. Nothing old currently feels affected by the content. It may or may not be when it’s done, but right now no one reacts but those added to react.
Not much was really needed. You could even use old VO in most cases – having civilians cough or scream in terror shouting about monsters, and attacking each other while calling them enemies. Hell, you can practically strip the VO straight from Into the Woods and it wouldn’t seem out of place.
But the only reaction we get is that NPCs – allied or not to the PC – will fight the Toxic Alliance if in aggro range.
Imagine how much more immersive the updates would feel if we get a single simple dialogue in Claypool about the giant tower seen in the distance to the south? Or how the air feels tainted? Imagine what it’d be like if the Champion Ancient Rotting Oakheart which is so close to one of the offshoot events is given a new model with new lines from an NPC talking about the Toxic Alliance’s spoors altering it? Or if we had Toxic Courtiers trying to negotiate with the Nightmare Court in Joy’s End or with the Sinister Triad? What if we could get idle dialogue between krait and NC – or krait and krait or NC and NC – about this alliance and why it was formed and what they think of it?
This is far from new and has been discussed several times. Wish the search function actually worked so I could again say to use search first. :P
Ahem Anyways…
Technically, the Searing Crystals in gw1 are blue, not purple. The color seems to have been changed between the two games somewhat though, especially comparing the new smaller Searing Crystals. And the Searing has been said to have been empowered by magic long sleeping – however, to disconnect the tie to Abaddon, the titans are only known to have given the charr ONE Searing Cauldron – the Cauldron of Cataclysm. Therewere other cauldrons, enchanted by the Flame Legion according to the Durmand Priory.
As to the Cataclysm, it was powered by magic said originally to be from before the Bloodstones. Given this was said during Prophecies, this means 1 BE, when magic was wild and powerful. Highly unlikely to have a tie to Zhaitan. Furthermore, unless Forgotten magic was involved, then all GW1 Orrian undead would be Risen which are fanatically devote to Zhaitan first and foremost. And they most certainly were not. Furthermore again, Risen are not standard undead.
Jade Wind was caused by a dark ritual Shiro used to absorb divine blessings from Dwayna. The Jade Wind was basically a huge amount of Dwayna’s magic turned to malicious uses. No Elder Dragon involved.
In short, Searing may have been powered by Kralkatorrik but not necessarily by Abaddon aka Titans’ directions. Cataclysm has a VERY slim chance. Jade Wind has a 0% chance of relation to dragons at the moment.
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I don’t think the raid-designed content like Tequatl should be used as a means for this. It should be stuff capable of being completed by small groups or even solo and should be scaled to the server’s population.
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