Guild Wars 2

the moment you have to explain people how to counter one class out of 8, is the moment you found out the OP class.

if all classes were equally powerful, there would be guides for the other 7, or no guides at all.

you know, you are totally right except for one single thing.

WvWvW in this game (and PvP MMOs in general) are designed to be a team effort. You just cannot escape or abstract yourself from the team implications when you are participating in the game.

if you step into the field but then refuse to be part of the team you are hurting those around you, which is plain bad manners.

I think your mindset just doesnt fit very well with MMOs.

Samfisher.7942:

I thought the countless posts about TA being a non-factor to HoD’s success were true! I was lied to???

depends on how you define “being a factor”.

HoD used to won due to numbers alone. TA played a significant role in drawing that numbers to the server, and without them the coattail riders are beginning a mass exodus. But TA by itself had a pretty insignificant impact on HoD’s success, its was pure body count what mattered.

guardians mesmers and thiefs are still on a league of their own, compared to warriors. nerfed? by golly, in that case they need to get at least 10 times more nerfs to even be on the same playfield…

engis elems and rangers dont stink, they just are tricky and people mostly suck playing them…specially because most dont even bother learning when they can play one of the 3 forementioned classes, bang their forehead on the keyboard and do ok.

necro is probably the only thing you nailed…they suck so much that its a running joke now

enjoy your 5 hour queues, courtesy of the coattail riders

Dutch Lion.1039:

@ Konrad Curze

Your “solution” would be very bad for the game. Why should players be punished for playing on a different continent when they have been able to do so for years in every other MMO? I play on the US servers for a good reason and if I would be forced to play elsewhere I would quit playing the game completely. I am not going to play this game all by myself, thank you. I happen to have many American friends. Or how about expats living in Europe? Should they be forced to play in Europe and not on the American servers with their friends? Merging the American and EU servers isn’t an option either because in all honesty I think EU servers in MMOs have become so common because the European Union requires companies to operate in the EU if they even want to do business in the EU.

Creating new Asian/SEA region servers solves nothing. You will now have players in every region who don’t have 9 till 5 jobs who now have even less people to play with and against in WvW at the time they can play.

I have noticed that many of the solutions in this thread punish the players who simply don’t play during prime time. Other solutions lead to the player base telling you to log out of WvW because you are affecting the score negatively (when you have more players than the other server).

and here, I absolutly disagree with you

you make it sound like there are tons of people that work on night shifts and they would be “punished” if servers were region locked.

first, the amont of people who can only play at nights is minimal. anecdotic at best, this game is mostly played by students or your everyday Joe who yes, he has a 9 to 5 job and maybe a family, and can usually devote a few hours from 8 to 12 or something like that.
if you are from a country where the majority of people have night jobs, I’d love to know which one is it. sounds like a country of vampires…

second, you can still play the game, it just wont be as packed full as if you played…but hey, thats your proof that people like you are such a minority, that we cannot let them affect gameplay to a point where it stops being fun for the VAST, VAST, VAST, VAAAAAAAAAAST majority of people.

what I find funny is how people defending the current system always pull the same 2 arguments:

1) but I have across the ocean friends!
2) OMG Think of the night shifters!

and usually they fall in neither. they dont work in shifts, they dont have friends from other regions, or dont care enough about their so called “friends” to go thru an annoyance just to keep playing with them….hence, they werent real “friends”

they just want to have easy wins for their own benefit and to stroke some ego.

dont get me wrong, I feel sorry for the “real” night shifters, but missing on a game is just one among the myriad other things that are unfair for them due to their real life work. I bet it sucks for them, but we cannot keep a system that is blatantly unfair for 99,9% of the population just due to a 0,1%.

and yes, dont try to act all offended
the 99,9 – 0,1 numbers are probably accurate

how ANet devs have let this crap last so long is beyond nuts. its like taking a course in “bad business practices 101”, pissing off the majority of your customers to cater to a tiny, tiny minority.

Sky.9347:

The root of this problem is thus:
WvWvW is and should be a 24/7 game mode; servers are not designed for 24/7 player loads.

wholeheartly agree with the philosophy

Sky.9347:

I think the best possible solution to this problem is threefold:
1) Eliminate NA and EU designations. (language designations would be fine)
2) Announce a finite time remaining for free transfers. (at least 2 full matches)
3) Continue focusing developer attention on bugs/exploits/hacks.

disagree
that wouldnt solve much, if anything. I think that is impossible to achieve balance just by letting the playerbase self control itself, it will never work. human nature, specially on the internet, equals egoism.

24/7 balanced servers is an utopia. it will never happen. lets come into terms with that.

my solution is simple.
abandon the idea of 24/7

1) IP Ban/ Lock NA and EU regions
2) create new Asian/SEA region
3) Announce a finite time remaining for free transfers. (at least 2 full matches)

anyone that doesnt take advantage of that free transfers to go to a region that fits him will see that chars locked.

Dinks.2478:

I don’t know, It is pretty much known that the servers that keep winning in NA are the ones with an Oceanic presence.

yes, so what? its a system that rewards around the clock presence, so what you said is hardly shocking. more like a self fulfilling prophecy.

its the same as saying that rich people are better than poor people. the problem comes when you use an as-backwards system to measure “better”, like e.×. linking “wealth” with “worth as human being”.

Ignicity.7938:

Konrad Curze.5130:

Now they dont have a place to put the few oceanic players that are utterly ruining everybody else’s fun, and their own fun aswell.
Oceanic players are just victims like the rest of us, they arent the ones to blame. Its ANet.

You heard it here first, people.

Oceanic players are utterly ruining everybody’s fun, including our own.

What an absolute load of kitten.

unless they are one of the typical morons riding coattails in one of the 3 top servers, which are “roughly” balanced, chances are yes, oceanic players are ruining everybody else’s fun in their matchup.

alternatively, check what your other fellow oceanics from SoJ say. The game isnt fun for them either. in the servers that have mostly oceanic presence but no EU nor US, the matchup is a total boredom for all sides involved, most of the time people PvEing objetives, barely ever having a chance to see anyone online in the other side to fight.

last time I checked, balanced matchups are rarer than rocking horse kitten…or without the metaphor: nonexistant.

come into terms with the fact that, due to a HUGE developer oversight when designing their systems, and to circumstances outside your control, OCEANIC PLAYERS ARE SCREWING EVERYBODY ELSES FUN. period.

do you know how Oceanic players could help solve the issue? if they distributed evenly among 3 servers of their choice. Then 3 servers would be balanced in oceanic presence, and the other 45 would be (mostly) free of the nightcapping taint.

but Im not asking that, that would be unfair for oceanics.
Its ANets fault and they better solve it themselves, making all sides happy.

lol sPvP lol
meaningless thread is meaningless

this thread would have deserved 3 seconds of my attention, had it been statistics about tPvP…

gotta love to see the NS, BOS and BTS of guardians and mesmers there, and compare it to the likes of necros

he probably was an extremly bad mesmer
against a good one, you’d have died during the MOA

what Matt Witter did was simply sidetracking the question, and place te blame on their playerbase
ANet is aware there is indeed a problem
ANet knows its hurting their game
ANet isnt happy with the current situation
ANet wont ever admit it

because they screwed up and they know it

they probably know by now they should have never released the game without a SEA/Asian server infrastructure, without fully releasing the game in asia.

Now they dont have a place to put the few oceanic players that are utterly ruining everybody else’s fun, and their own fun aswell.
Oceanic players are just victims like the rest of us, they arent the ones to blame. Its ANet.

Im sure ANet is working their kitten off to provide a Asian/SEA server infrastructure, and when its finally up they will offer free transfers to people to that servers, then region lock all servers.

we can just wait

this discusion is academic at best, since mending is much better than both due to the condition removal, which is absolutly mandatory after the lvl 60 mark for pretty much everything, PvP, PvE, dungeons or WvW.

I had almost 12k karma at 40, didnt spend any of it during my leveling. I ran event loops all the way from 30 to 40, fast leveling and nice karma…altho boring

I didnt buy the weapon anyway, they suck. you can get better weapons in the TP for a bunch of silver coins if you wait till 42/44…

cultural weapons, just like cultural armors, are inmensely overpriced. noone sane buys them, ever

serious guilds will:

a) care about the extra lag involved when playing in servers located across the pond
b) care about going to a server where their primetime (the server’s off peak ) doesnt guarantee them having enough/any enemies

its just the unskilled morons who couldnt take the heat of playing prime time in their region the ones who go to other region servers, and PvE their way in WvW…and I think the current top servers have all of those good-for-nothing already booked.

warriors are average, I’d even dare say above average. so looks like your luck is changing

had you picked necromancer, then yes, fate would be screwing with you again

guardian, mesmer, thief
pretend they rest of classes dont exist

the biggest problem is that a guardian’s natural and most dangerous enemy are necromancers

and necromancers are so utterly bugged, and even without they bugs they are so ridiculously underpowered and underwhelming at every-effing-thing but dealing with guardians, that practically noone plays them

so guardians dont have to worry about their natural counter, since there is none around the vast majority of the time

mesmer lists all “OP” skills in the game

mesmer somehow misses MOA, the most absurdly broken beyond recognition skill in the history of MMOs

this thread is going places

if you are dying to cookie cutter warriors, maybe you should google “GW2 dodge mechanic”

dont feel bad about dying to cookie cutter thieves, tho. its just normal, they are beyond insane in all regards

Swagman.9013:

It’s a mmo that focuses on gear looks, that’s why legendaries don’t have ridiculous stats but look amazing.

The grind isn’t there unless you want it to be, your argument is the same as the people that complain jump puzzle chests don’t give a good enough reward for spending 30 minutes getting to it. Don’t do jump puzzles if you don’t like the reward then, they aren’t necessary. But it’s there so I have to do it.

Makes as much sense as

This gear needs a billion dungeon tokens it’s such a grind, they said no grind.
But you don’t have to get that gear so just don’t get the gear and there is no grind.
But it’s there so I have to get it now, and they said no grind, why would they say no grind if they are going to add an optional grind?
Well maybe it’s for the people that will grind to get that reward.

but the problem is that they made everything a grind of the same dimensions and unappeal-ness

so….
its a grind but you are not required to do this
its a grind but you are not required to do that
its a grind but you are not required to do these
its a grind but you are not required to do those either

is kind of nice

but when you stop and think for a second, you realize that if you remove “this”, “that”, “these”, and “those”….there is nothing else to do that isnt a huge grind

so basically what they are telling you is “you are not required to keep playing”

Gauradan.8361:

“We don’t want players to grind” is different from “No grind is necessary”. The first implies that there is no grind, whereas the second suggests that there is a grind, but you’re not required to do it. That’s not what they promised.

not really.

the fact is, every single activity at endgame IS a grind

Every-single-thing that adds some kind of progression is a grind, be it vertical, horizontal, or plain cosmetic. and of the worst kind, I might add, its all “horribly boring action repeated ad infinitum for a looooooooong term goal”

so your statement

Gauradan.8361:

the second suggests that there is a grind, but you’re not required to do IT.

only becomes true if with “it”, you mean playing the game.

I can see where this point comes from. It was based around the idea that farming for the best gear is not required. which is something I welcome.

the problem is that they have managed to make everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING, as grindy, boring and unnapealing, as it was farming for the best gear in other games

global servers wouldnt have fixed anything, thb. quite the contrary, it would be even worse

most people would naturally gravitate to servers closer to them (europeans to EU servers, americans to US servers) due to ping issues.

and the same people would still stack certain servers as they do now to win with the least amount of effort possible.

so you would have pretty much the same problems you have now, plus some stupid matchups like low-population US server vs low population EU server, where both sides pretty much play alone during their peaks, and people rarely gets to see an enemy.

servers should have been region locked, a hard cap on populations should have been imposed, and free transfers should have been shut down 2 weeks ago.

period

that would have fixed “most” of the problems

and yes, its too late now. ANet now has a game that is but a shade of what it could have been, because first they didnt plan ahead, and second they refused to act on a timely manner.

GW2 has gone from savior of the genre, to just another filler till the next big thing comes.

flyhacks are a valid strategy, and there is nothing unfair about it because anyone can download and install them. if they decide they wont its their fault and they deserve the lose

transfering to a winning server is a valid strategy that proves you are superior. you have all rights to brag about your superiority 30 seconds after the transfer has been completed. all the previous weeks of being stomped and humilliated are instantly wiped, you are now a great player.
not being able to play a single second due to enormous queues does not take away said bragging rights.

You will deny night capping is an issue, and declare the other servers just need to get more coordination.
while saying this:
1) you will actively try to recruit more night shifters for your server
2) you will actively try to stop other server’s attempts at getting night shifters.
3) you will keep repeating how night capping is not an issue.

nubleh.5792:

Why is this a problem? This is exactly the dynamic ArenaNet had in mind when they designed WvW.

yep, Im sure ANet aimed at having 3-4 servers per region inmensely overcrowded, and people complaining about queue times constantly, but refusing to move to other servers because they would lose the advantage of having a night shift winning the matchups for them.

and Im also sure ANet planned to have a large chunk of the population angry at the night capping.

because angry players make the best customers.

that ANet guys…pure finantial genius…

a charr named El Charrcutero

I know yall thinking, wtf! its in spanish and the joke kinda get lost in translation…

charcutero = pork butcher

what I find funny is people starting their posts with “we at HoD…”
we? chances are the guy speaking transfered to HoD 2 days ago…

its 10% bro. I dont consider that pay to win.

In my book, pay to win applies to asian F2P MMOs, where people who pay can get up to 1000% stronger than anyone else…

10% is a triffle, and in WvW numbers is all that matters anyway

necro is broken because even when the bugs are ironed out (by 2015 I suppose), except for epidemic in WvW, they bring absolutly nothing that some other class cannot do FAR FAR better

without bugs its just a serious meh, outdamaged, outtanked and outsupported at every corner…with bugs, its ridiculous.

I used to play a necromancer
now I refuse to take any necro in my teams.

1. Mesmer
2. Guardian
3. Thief
4. Engineer
5. Warrior
6. Ranger
7. Elementalist
8. Your grandma
9. Your dog
10. Your cat
…
….
…..

107. Necromancer

cool, we got a bunch of bugs in some bad/useless skills fixed….oh wait, half of them are tooltip updates

still missing the most serious bugs on our important skills

still the class will suck and be 5 steps behind guardians mesmers or thieves even when all bugs are ironed out

yep, this forum has slowly become HoDvsETvsSBI’s facebook.
not like anyone gives a crap about what happens in your matches, guys…

ANet should just do away with the EU/US/Asia server shenanigans

for what is worth, just pair servers from all zones in the matchups….

Its a catch-22

There is a population imbalance

ANet doesnt want to fix it themselves, because anything they do willkitten off a big chunk of the population who did their best to ensure they were on a winning server by default, and dont want to put any effort in their wins.

So ANet gives the tools to “fix” it….to the same people that created the problem…
lo and behold, , all that people do is making the problem worse by stacking some servers EVEN MOAR…sooo unexpected LOL.

In a nutshell: we have a developer/publisher that doesnt dare to take tough/unpopular decitions for the good of their own game, and instead rely on their playerbase to do the “right” thing.
And since we are living in a post-WoW world, the playerbase is constantly doing the “wrong” thing over and over again, and the game is going down the drain because of it.

Ynot.8397:

Plus you would need to merge another 2 servers to something else. We would need to have 21 servers to keep the ladder.

more like they should split the top servers in 2, because they are absolutly packed full

just keep guilds/alliances intact when splitting them, forbid transfers from/to them, and we’r good to go

this happens because ANet is more interested in permabanning people who purchases weapons at prices they themselves set incorrectly, than in policing their own game and hunting hackers.

hacks happening is expected in any MMO. ANet’s utter passivity is unheard of, tho

I think the OP should do tourneys
and post some videos

Im on the fence on this one

yes, they totally do way too much damage in a way too large area for the price tag
and yes, its ridiculous when the defenders have as many people as the attackers and they choke you on arrows.

but arrow carts are probably the only thing that can help outnumbered players defend a keep.
nerf them and the outnumbered players will just flock to packed full servers because there really isnt anything at all left to help them anymore.

this thread is a comprenhensive guide on why the OP fails, his build fails, and he offers no videos of tourneys against guild premades

the necro is sad, but this power necro build is ridiculous

anyone that considers tournament play, dont even bother wasting a second copying the OP’s build. its hands downkitten and horrible, just like the class

its funny that ANet permabanned (then reverted to 3 days) people for purchasing weapons at the price they themselves had set, but now they are absolutly passive and ineffective when dealing with a real hack….

Feywray.4351:

Deer Areena Net,
plz nerf paper. Sizors is fine.
Thx – Rok

its more like

Deer Areena Net,
ty for yer awesum game. rok paper sizors are ferpectly balanced
signed – the 3 classes that are Bazookas

in WvW, the most valuable classes are the ones manning the siege weapons

I have seen plenty +13k HS….

the real question is, why do people that only play one of the aforementioned “OP” classes keep telling us how they are not OP?

shouldnt they have played all the other classes to get a proper perspective on their real performance level before deciding they are not OP and its a L2P issue?

I used to main a necro. Then rerolled warrior, and I have used extensively mesmer and thief in sPvP. hence, I have some proper perspective.

I can swear to god that 3 classes are an effing billion light years ahead of the necro in pretty much absolutly everything. the necro lags SO HARD behind that you have to actually see it to believe it.

Lasica, “escort” and “attack” are different things, mmmmkay?

life tap skills are bad
life tap traits are totally, completly, absolutly worthless. utter waste of a spot.

ANet hates necros and they wont ever give us a half decent build

reroll now you have time

17 autoattacks lol…you were in the bathroom, right?

if a warrior finds you afk, you will be dead in 2 seconds top

good post OP. couldnt agree more. JP is totally off his rocker here. the guy probably dont even know what hes talking about, hes just a higher up with no understanding of the game at all, just finances or team managing, but ZERO knowledge of the real game

I’d love to see the statistics that ANet has about class distribution. I bet there are less than 5% necromancers.

and probably the vast majority of the poor souls who are still playing necro dont read the OF and they dont even know how enormously bugged (and even without bugs, sucky) the class is

esnori.1756:

Apparently my class (necro) is terrible. Can’t say I’ve thought that…until pretty much like an hour ago when I read the necro forums. I’ve been able to do pretty much all the content and have had a blast.

have you tried the other classes to draw a fair comparison?
and if said comparison proved that necros are indeed terrible, would you care anyway?

having a blast is opinion based. bugs are not opinion based. they are facts

your whole posts is screaming “Im an absolute casual that doesnt care about well proven bugs, shortcomings, flaws, mistakes or features that could use some more polish. hence, they dont exist and anyone pointing them must be lying or exagerating”

I can accept that some people doesnt care enough about the game to bother scratching beyond the surface, where the flaws are.

I can accept that some people gladly eat feces if someone tells them they are nice, without questioning themselves if they are actually nice.

why cant you accept that some people do NOT do any of that?

if you were happy living in your cave, I suggest you to crawl back to it and never abandon it again. there, you can keep playing deaf, mute and blind, which apparently its what you enjoy most.
the sunlight, man, it may hurt those unprepared to face it.

CptCosmic.3156:

this argument does not hold. ranger has to use several abilites (last time I check atleast 6) and a few autoattacks to achieve proper condition damage application. some of them are short ranged traps.

actually I was thinking about the warrior, 4 skills top
and the best part is that he will do massive direct damage everytime he swings his weapon ON TOP of applying conditions, unlike a necro where the skills to apply conditions dont even crit for more than 300

honestly, the class is absolutly broken. I respect you for sticking to it, but lets call a spade a space, shall we?

necros arent at the bottom of the barrel
necros are BURIED 6 feet under the barrel