Guild Wars 2

it makes sense if you are Jon Peters and are totally drunk…like Jon Peters

CptCosmic.3156:

Sprawl.3891:

CptCosmic.3156:

btw I can stack ~15 bleeds (+ poison, a blind, chill & weakness) in a single scepter dagger rotation that I use to stack conditions on my target with the necro. it jumps to 18 bleeds when I use a staff mark beforehand. it might be more or less depending on crit and proc luck. my spvp setups has 50% crit chance, slightly over 20k hp, 1,8k thoughness, 20% condition duration in runes (53% from traits) and 1306 condition damage. never lost a 1vs1 duel till yet with this.

I know what necro is capable of, it was my main and 80% of my tpvp time has been played on necro. And I don’t know why you are listing you stats, every condition spec for any class has basically the same stats. I run 3 afflicted 3 krait runes. Also I have read condition duration from traits stack.

Do you have any videos showing you stacking 15-18 bleeds and never losing a 1v1 ever?

yeah you “know” what a necro is capable of, except how to achieve 15 bleeds.
-4 blood is power (via deathly swarm transfer)
-2 enfeebling blood
-1 grasping dead
-3 dark path
-2 autoattack twice
-3 procs (statistically)
=>15

you can also throw a mark of blood into it for 3 additional.

so, you will be using 7 skills and at least 8 seconds to stack 15
that, on the class that supposedly is the most condition oriented

other classes, as posted here, can hit 20-25 in half that time with a third of skill usage

a funny thing about necros is that mesmers would be better at applying conditions AND at removing conditions AND at controlling the battlefield conditions even if our skills like corrupt boon and plague signet worked as intended.

another funny thing is that since they dont, and ANet hasnt fixed them for the last 4 months, mesmers are just ENORMOUSLY better then us.

but the funniest thing is that mesmers ALSO have a SUPREMELY GOOD power build, far beyond the limits of OPness, that makes them the undeniable kings of 1v1.

seriously, ANet could effortesly DELETE the necro class and nothing of value would be lost, actually I wonder if anyone would notice it.

the state of the necromancer is hands down pathetic, ANet has made the ABSOLUTE WORST class at release in the history of MMOs

I wholeheartly agree with the OP, just from the other side of the mirror

its, simply put, excruciating having people inside a map doing nothing, just waiting and chatting for hours in the camp, until the place they need to go is secured and they can safely travel there for their vista/skill point/poi.

either WvW areas have to be exclusive for WvWers, or PvE maps need to have borderlands where people can be raided by the opposite servers…and Im sure PvErs wont like that

its hard to believe that with that many people barely noone targeted you
edit: hell, its hard to believe they didnt try to push you guys, and were happy with hugging the keep door

non-max stats, and far from the best looks in the game…personally I’d say most of them dont look good AT ALL, but of course ymmv

overpriced crap is overpriced nonetheless

hard to tell which one is the best, but the absolute worst is piece of cake
necromancers by a mile

the life steal values make baby jesus cry
actually they are the main reason why I think ANet is trolling all necros out there. something to glaringly idiotic and fuxed up has to be done on purpose . incompetence alone just cannot explain it.

as a necro in WvW, you will basically spent your time

a) using wells/staff on cooldown
b) frantically targetting enemies every second, to see how has a large stack of conditions on them – > epidemic
c) asking yourself why the hell you rolled that class instead of any of the other 7

Karandor, its obvious from afar you have never done serious tournament PvP.
noone builds glass cannon there, and power necros are just a small step above minion necros. the enemy will point at you, laught at you, then kill you as if you were a fly

come back when you have some more experience on the game and you arent talking outta your ahole. I was DEMOLISHING in HotJoin pvp with my warrior 2 minutes after playing the char for the first time ever, I picked the skills and traits nearly at random, just skimming over their description, coming up with a build in 30 seconds.
99% players in HotJoin range from terribads to clinically diagnosed mentally challenged

Temper.7265:

Who will you blame your loss on then ?the jobless ? The pro- gamers ? kids on holiday ? Bored housewives ?

and why would you care? I play against other people on my same zone in prime time, you do the same. early birds are rarer than you think, and chances are there’s the same (scarce) amount of all-nighters in all 3 servers. doubtful they cap many objetives like that, let alone map domination.

everyone’s happy.

why do you act as if this was some kind of punishment? afraid that your winning streak will go down to a full stop if the other side isnt empty?

nidwin.6731:

There are no asian servers Konrad and as far as I know there are no plans for asian servers.

um, my mistake then. I tot they had already opened the chinese korean and SEA servers

anyway they are coming in the short term afaik, so soon enough they should be able to do it

Tzash.5748:

Actually the real problem isn’t servers like SoS that can only night cap, its the ones that can hold their own during prime time and then night cap.

omg, someone with an IQ above single digits in this forum

faints

MadGelo.3869:

milo.6942:

they’ve no incentive to stay

when is trying to overcome an obstacle and have fun stopped being an incentive?

circa 2004, when WoW mainstreamed the genre

Vlaamsche Leeuw.7598:

My suggestion for a solution:
Limit the amount of non european players that can play on european wvw(and vice-versa for NA) to maximum 10% of the total player cap of each wvw map. (10% is just a random percentage ofcourse, may vary).
Or in other words:
0% < EU population < 100%
0% < non EU population < 10%
whilst the sum of the 2 at all times can not exceed 100% (of the current population limit ofcourse)

this is a fairly convoluted solution
let me simplify it

region IP blocks

American players in US servers
EU players in EU servers
Oceanic players in Asian servers

then, if some players decide to pull an all-nighter, thats perfectly valid, hats off to them. I hope winning a 1 week server matchup is worth risking their jobs/studies after poor performance due to lack of sleep.

but at least the people winning like that are sacrificing themselves for the win, which is the spirit of the whole thing. right now they aint sacrificing absolutly nothing, they go to sleep just the same as their enemies do, and then “someone else” wins the game for them.

so there it is. region blocks. the simpliest solution to the problem.

This is a business for them and money is the first thing in their minds, hence region blocks are going to happen.

ANet arent idiots and Im totally sure they know the amount of peoplekitten over this “internationalization” of some servers is far bigger than the amount of “foreigners” playing in that servers. Keeping the majority of your customers happy is top priority for them.

region block. its a matter of when, not if.

I think the biggest problems with DS are that:

1) its essentially centered around power builds, and power builds are teh sux for necros due to extremly poor skills/weapon sets. DS for conditionmancers result in a huge net loss of damage, time spent in DS is time spent NOT spreading your conditions.

2) to get full benefit from DS you have to trait Soul Reaping to max, and then the handful of “when you get in/out of DS something happens” traits.

now the problem is that said traits are scattered thru many lines in varying positions
once your built that way, you will have a fairly useful and maybe even strong DS…but for the rest you are worthless, not enough points/traits spare to make anything else.

3) last but not least, you start with 0 lifeforce, that meaning a character centered around DS is an absolute kitten at the start of the fight…and many profs/builds need just a few seconds into a fight to wipe the floor with yourkitten

all in all JP was probably drunk when he said DS used to its full potential would make necros OP, or missed the memo that after BWE2 DS was nerfed into oblivion

Devilsmack.5736:

You can also target a Guardian that is buffed up like the is no tomorrow, Cast Corrupt Boon and then Epidemic and see the lil numbers fly.

and then you see that corrupt boon did absolutly nothing 9/10 times, and you cry yourself to sleep

the last time ANet claimed that necros were the class they were the most worried about and most needed of love, they nerfed scepter to hell and back.

the only love ANet is capable of delivering to the necro class is the one you can find in the showers of a county jail.

I rather they ignore us…

sssshhhhhhh…if ANet discovers that one of our skills does not have a bug and its actually good for killing people, they will “fix” it

this thread made other 500 necros reroll….

working as intended, JP

Preacher.9018:

I find the whole drama amusing – one overpopulated server that is on “top” only because of numbers whining about other overpopulated server thats on “top” because of population, about being dominated in off-time because of difference in population playing at that time.

FS is a winner in this topic though, since they do beat you when it matters: prime time and weekends.
This whole thing is a farce and arena is the one to blame.

my exact thoughts
+1

hellokittyonline.7532:

so what’s the 3 stats to focus for wvw necro?
toughness cond and power?

choose either cond or power
then precision
then toughness
some vit

generally speaking, you want to be in the ballpark of 2000 toughness and above 20k hp. then its up to you, more damage or more survivality.

I like the concept of the necro
I abhor the utter mess that ANet created from that concept

you have sligthly better survivality than any other proff built for survivality
you have a tenth (if that) the damage output of said other proff, you will take ages to kill stuff that everyone just breezes thru

Its Ruin, bro. Their reputation coudnt sink any lower. Its already 6 feet under

QSpec.4298:

Saying Necro’s aren’t broken because of PvE and WvW when everyone else is talking about why Necro’s are broken in sPvP is equivocating… at best.

the funniest part is that they are completly broken in PvE too

but some people are happy if they can kill 5 normal mobs in less than a minute, without realizing other classes can kill those same 5 mobs plus a veteran in a tenth the time, without breaking a sweat or even using more than 3 key presses.

and they dont care they always get bronce/no contribution in events due to the bleed stack or the hilariously low power damage

in a nutshell, some people are happy with sucking
let them be

it ahs been tried to death. the answer is the same as always:
absolutly underwhelming

by all means, reroll now. dont waste a single more second on a soon to be dead class, unless you feel some kind of twisted pleasure in being a unique snowflake…in that case the necro is custom tailored to you, because sooner rather than later everybody will abandon their necros

warrior and loving every minute of it

it feels great enjoying the game at last

I rerolled a while ago

after playing warrior, I think ANet could un-kitten the necros and I wouldnt give akitten Im not going back.

I left the class out of desperation to never come back.

good job right there, Jon Peters

flesh golem
bloodthirst
decaying swarm

25 points in blood wtf, missing the 3 seconds stability, the only thing that coud make a DS build semi-quasi-half-sort-of desirable…for Blood to Power?

ok gentlement, point proven beyond reasonable doubt

either the OP is a 13 year old moron that has played less than 10 HotJoin matches and thinks tourneys are the same league, or he is trolling us to the max

Zelthios, your build is so pitifully bad, that Im ashamed at one point in time I played the same class as you

mesmers are going to end up badly, and its all their fault, really.

because they spend more time denying on the forums that they are OP, than providing valuable info to the developers on how they can be balanced.

so a few devs, with much less understanding on the class than top players will simply go the usual path of “nerf this and see what happens”, and it will result in an overnerf

I have seen it happening in dozens of MMOs, and still amazes me that people are this idiotic, always the same mistake…as if negating reality was going to help them get away with it…it will aways end up worse for them than being upfront honest

SmokeyNYY.7841:

I don’t know why they added 3 more servers in the first place.

because there are glaring population issues

but people prefer to stack the top servers eat 5 hour queues and be in overflow for 90% of their playtime then complain on the forums, rather than moving to lower populated servers where they cant claim their server is the best in WvW even tho they didnt participate on it at all…

JoxerNL.3752:

I do love it when people post something and dont have something to back up their claims.

the OP is probably a warrior/thief/mesmer, talking kitten so we dont get buffed and he loses his free kills….

Tony please, stop posting, you know absolutly nothing of the necro, and arguably, absolutly nothing of the game

a thief will crit people for upwards of 15k, a warrior for 10k.
all of them with spammable attacks

a necro will be lucky to see 4k crits

there is a reason why everyone goes conditions. because our power builds SUCK

and DS sucks aswell, if you are focused your “secondary health bar” will go down in 0.005 seconds

…yet I keep being called one in the spanish translation of the game

Human story, Im the hero of shaermoor, and ever since the 18-ish storyline quests (pre-joining an Order) I have been appointed as “advocate” (of the queen, I suppose).

the catch?

advocate 1 / ?ædv?k?t/ sustantivo
(supporter, defender) ~ (of sth) defensor, -sora m,f (de algo)
(in a court of law) abogado, -da m,f

They keep translating advocate as “abogado” when Im not a lawyer in a court.
It should be translated as defender (defensor).

Demonical.1039:

“JonPeters
Game Designer

but once people start mastering DS, I’m afraid of how strong Necro will be.

Death Shroud is very powerful because it gives Necromancer access to a secondary health bar

bounce between powerful skills in 3 different sets.

now I get why the necro is in the state it is
he lead developer knowns ABSOLUTLY NOTHING at all about the class

I get the vibe that JP is just a suit whose job is coordinating people, but knows nothing of the game, and simply trusts his employees

he asks them “how is the necro?” and they reply “fine”
and he believes them

dear Jon, play a warrior or guardian for a couple days
then play a necro

then come back and tell us again that the necro is perfectly fine albeit hard to master

I can wait, Im not in a rush. Im playing a warrior right now and at last having fun with the game…

necro is a dead class, at this point I dont think 5% of the whole GW2 population mains one, and Im pretty sure that number is falling drastically as days pass by

tbh, after playing warrior I dont care if they fix necros, Im not going back.
nothing they could ever do will make them on par with a warrior, its simply bonkers how powerful they are

so I suppose I have to thank JP, if necros didnt suck SO HARD and he hadnt thrown the L2P at us, I wouldnt have tried the warrior and I’d have never found my true love.

tl;dr: necro is an exercise in frustration. dont punish yourself like that, its a game, we’r supposed to have fun.
reroll and life will be much brighter.

so a guy solos an instance, which is currently on farm for 99% of the population because it can be made in 15 mins flat by any group

ergo, the class is fine?

as everyone said, he is running the only known build that is half comparable to the rest of classes, and its an instance known for its myriad of exploitable bugs.

this doesnt address sPvP, tPvP or normal group PvE…

its nice to known necros can solo CoF…I think I’ll stop playing the whole rest of the game where necros are utterly broken, to just do that 24/7, since thats apparently the only thing we can do fine

lol

I think JP is talking about the “old” BWE1 DS, when it was a strong skill in our arsenal

apparently he somehow must have missed the “balance” tweaks it took after BWE2 that made it utter trash

Binnes.3860:

I rather think of it as a survivability with a bonus, because not only is it a pseudo-invulnerable, you can still do enough damage to kill most regular mobs from at least 75% health with just auto attack.

you call that a bonus?
really?

honestly, a warrior can walk into a group of mobs, press ONE low cd skill, and not even 3 seconds later they all are dead in front of him.

the necro needs like 10 more seconds and 5-7 more skills/button presses to do that. and in that time he has taken quite more damage and then has to wait for loooong cds to repeat that.

the best part is that you dont take damage from what is already dead, so the warriors’ survivality is flat out higher by definition, and with far, far less annoyances in the form of more key presses, slowly building conditions, combos etcetc

its the basic cheese conditionmancer build that any necro that hasnt rerolled yet uses, but a couple wtfs

wtf#1 – Flesh golem instead of plague? really?

wtf#2 – Shrouded removal? You should be hoarding conditions on you, not getting rid of them

ty OP. after watching your videos Im sure ANet has realized the poor state of the necro, which I suppose was your point…

RashanDale.3609:

So, theres a new balance update and the necro is the only class that didnt receive anything?

I suppose ANet has realized the current of the state of the necro is so unreal, that they will be making a patch around it alone.

milo.6942:

You will be seeing more of it.

indeed lol…atm thiefs are, what? 30-40% of any given battleground?

if we let things carry on as they are now, in less than a month they will be 80%

Cempa.3645:

Much like Mesmer you need to figure out how to play it, some top guilds/tournament teams always run with a Necro go search for the guides..Yes you can find guides like from Team Paradigm and others.

the only well known necro in TP rerolled mesmer at release
lol

anyway I dont know why people keep bringing TP as an argument for anything…there are more videos of other guilds beating them badly than the inverse, and you dont see that other guilds even bothering with doing self promotion…

zao.2710:

Konrad Curze.5130:

I think they just hate the class and plan on deleting it soon

Well that escalated quickly…
Inb4 red post pretty pleasee

dont try to read too much into it, internet irony is a valid form of protest =)

the last time they announced they were going to give necros some love, they completly nerfed the hell out of the scepter and made necros even more weak if possible.

for ANet “love” means “prison love”.

so far the only thing we have received was uncalled nerf after uncalled nerf. I rather they ignore us…things arent looking bright now, but everytime ANet does something for necros, it is a net loss for us.

I think they just hate the class and plan on deleting it soon

Malpractice.7850:

You do disrespect. You just said “YOU ARE BY DEFINITION CANNON FODDER” Because what, were not in voip? We are securing objectives, and defending them, without voip. That says a lot.

says you are a random nobody that rolled in a winning server and now try to claim part of the glory others earned as his.
keep hiding behind 20 organized guilds then gloating on the forums, brotato

kylia.4813:

Konrad Curze.5130:

Freelancer.4802:

Every day, my server captures and upgrades the various forts and towers in our territory.. and every night all the Australians wake up, roll in, and take everything with hardly any effort.

if anything, pity them, they paid money to play alone, no figthing, no nothing…WvE borefest

arrive a bit late -> see other people took everything on the map and there isnt a single enemy on the map -> go do PvE for the rest of the day

honestly, I cant understand how arent they the ones complaining…

Not sure where your source is on that one, coming from IoJ and a AUS alliance, we have big fights every night, yesterday we were up against Storm and GoM, lots of epic fighting during our prime time. We win some nights, we lose some nights, I have yet to see this “ghost town” WvW. (hopefully we won’t get to see it!)

yep, as the matchmaking improves, servers with around-the-clock playerbases will tend to get matched together so it wont be an issue

you will always have the random one that got left out of a balanced matchup, tho. It sucks for all 3 sides

Peatear.7198:

can’t get another SS when the person is gone.

one word for you
fraps