Why do I feel like no one s going to get the guard damage/defense traits and nearly everyone will pick up the extra supply and siege damage/defense traits. . .
When are the competitive hours? Let me guess whenever you’re on?
Pffft everyone knows that the aussie/sea prime time is the most competitive time slot since it always decides the match up. Those points you earned during NA time? Irrelevant. =P
That only shows living players. It doesn’t include the other half of their guild that was killed.
Right all those dead player icons on the mini-map. Why didn’t I see that before? . . . oh wait. . .
Seriously guys if your gonna troll at least put some effort into it, trying to claim bull kitten that you can clearly see is false from watching the vid is just pointless.
I see an EMP commander saying it wasn’t an even numbered fight. Until he can clarify that CDS won fair and square, I don’t think you should be bragging on the forums.
Yes he could be mad because he lost, but he didn’t do that when EMP lost against VoTF, TW, etc.
Mate you where in CDS, do you really think they would of brought 20+ people to an organized 15v15 GvG? Do you honestly believe either knight or jack would allow something like that?
so at times i have a (potential) 95 % reduction in healing now. Not cool. (locst swarm + well of suffering + well of corruption + marks = potentially 20 hits a second).
Not cool? What did you expect? The food was op, anyone who used it knew this less than a month after launch.
Cool idea but SM really doesn’t need to give more advantages than it already does to the owner.
Isn’t the point of SM to be advantageous and encourage the worlds to fight for it?
Being able to treb the other teams towers from sm while safe from aoes and I don’t just mean from the 3rd floor isn’t advantageous enough for you? Some spots around sm can be really hard to hit with counter siege before your siege is trebbed.
I see they fixed and issue with higher tier servers but I’m in Darkhaven…a Zerg is like 20 or so People….We wont get any notification about who is doing what and where….
I’m not going to complain because that is helping alot of people in the higher tiers from what I can tell but they need to do something about the lower tiers because this ENCOURAGES Zergs in lower tiers.
Um how do you get that this encourages zergs? Making orange swords are bad if you are trying to win. Now if you are only looking for some good fights then well I can see why you would want a larger group.
I personally think the goal is to get more people to actually scout things and defend but I doubt it will work. No one likes waiting an hour at hills because the other side ‘might’ try to ninja it.
Noooooooooo!!! How will I dagger storm in the middle of an enemy zerg and not die now?!
Not that I’ve actually done that for awhile. It was fun like less than a month after launch and I was positive they where going to nerf it. Just amazed it took them like 6 months to do it.
Also amazed it took most of the community so long to realize how over powered this food was.
Yeah you are not killing anyone at low levels but at least with short bow you can ‘tag’ a lot of people and get the exp/loot when other people kill them.
Well timed shadow refuges, poison fields on downed people and cluster bombs on your allies combo fields are probably the most useful things you can do while low leveled.
We dislike Bay, its a pain to defend unlike Hills, which has the high ground. Bay gets trebbed from Garrison too easily.
I’m sure most people feel the same way. Garrision trebs can be killed with arrow carts but it’s a pain compared to killing trebs at star grove.
I honestly wouldn’t mind being red if black gate some how doesn’t make it to tier one for the easier access to hills but I think the color change might give some rallians a heart attack after being blue for so much since launch.
If rangers are so bad, why is there a million of them in WvW? There must be some reason why all those people continue to play their rangers.
Heaven forbid people play things that aren’t the best option.
Also a lot of people still roll around in unorganized zergs instead of organized groups where the difference isn’t as noticeable between a good build and a poor one.
Well we on TC have this gossip running around that SoR is helping out BG so they can leave the Tier, but well, rumors are just that, rumors, just like A**holes. Everyone has one.
I’m sure some rallians are focusing TC more simply because they are sick of black gate but most sor on your bl are probably only there because hills and lake are like 100 times better than briar/bay.
The cool down on that 1 aoe is very long and none of the other abilities are useful. Even firing down from the wall the ranger isn’t as good as most other classes.
Most of what you listed has nothing to do with the class you’re playing, but if just standing near a treb in case someone attacks is “useful” while other classes activly clear the walls while gaurding those same cata’s then you and I havea different opinion on what is and isn’t useful.
I’m sorry I didn’t realize you placed catas/trebs so close to a wall that your siege defenders can aoe the wall and protect the siege at the same time.
On the server I play on we place trebs and non-ninja catas further back so they can’t be killed by arrow carts, most ballistas or player ranged attacks. Makes it pretty hard to aoe walls and defend your siege at the same time. Well unless your opponents are idiots and run in a straight line from their tower/keep towards your siege.
If you aren’t ramming you don’t NEED to clear the walls until you have breached them, all you have to do is kill siege build sites when they drop them.
Only idiots and glass cannons die by getting aoe’d while standing on the wall anyway.
I will agree with you however that the ranger isn’t as good as most classes but that doesn’t make them useless in WvW.
Yeah, I didn’t want to get into using 3 weapons :P
Aoe pull skills are amazing in a group fight if you are on a voip and can call out to your team mates your using one so they know to aoe that area it’s really a shame that only two classes get one and mesmers have such lacking main hand weapons for group fights that you hardly ever see one using a focus in a fight.
Rangers are pretty much worthless during a siege otherwise.
The guard ability is basically worthless at any other point in the game.
The fact that you have to equip an otherwise worthless ability just to get your class to contribute more than a single AOE on a long cool down during a seige makes this ability perfectly balanced.
Yes because if you can’t aoe walls during a siege you are worthless . . .
Not like there is anything else you could do in a siege, you certainly couldn’t
~ build an ac to aoe the walls
~ man whatever siege your team is using to take the structure
~ keep watch for incoming enemy reinforcements
~ guard your catas/trebs if you aren’t ramming
~ run supply to build more siege
Solo roaming – Thief or D/D ele – take out dolyacks, supply camps every now and then
The zerg – Basically everything else, ele included. Thief is pretty moot in zergs due to their relatively squishy nature and uneffectiveness of stealth when it’s AOE spam battles. Clusterbomb is nice, though
Thieves do just fine in zerg on zerg if you are running a crit build and omnomberry pie and don’t stand in the main mass of aoes. They have several useful things they can do.
~dagger storm into the middle of the enemy zerg when your team pushes them. ~Throw poison fields around, especially on downed people.
~ pb cluster bomb spamming if their melee gets leaves their squishier classes alone
~ Killing those annoying thieves that go after your squishies
All classes can be good in WvW but some are better suited at certain roles than others.
Certain builds are much more effective than others in wvw thou.
Builds that bring aoe, support and/or crowd control are much more useful than anything focusing on single target dps.
When were you well ahead in points? Look at the first two score updates in this thread.
At 3.5 hours after reset, BG was ahead by 800. An hour later, ahead by 1400. Don’t change the facts to fit your point, because its just not true.
SoR’s NA is good, its very good. But BGs NA holds it close every night, and on reset, this week, our NA beat your NA. That is the fact. Last night your NA beat our NA. That is also the fact. My point is our NA’s are very close, and it depends on who’s server shows up that night. But stop pretending that SoR’s NA demolishes ours and its only because of our Oceanics that we win, because that’s just not true.
Just because I point out inaccuracies in your statements that are score corrections, you label it “chest thumping” and dismiss what I’m saying. Its an ad hominem fallacy and a cheap debate tactic.
Reset is not just NA prime time, in fact you get nearly all three major time zones participating and most people can agree black gate has much better overall coverage than SoR. So black gates NA is strengthened by their euro and oceanic guilds while SoR NA guilds have slightly more members online because nearly all our off peak players are in a primarily NA guild. I haven’t seen a single decent sized primarily oceanic WvW guild on sor.
Yes black gate some times keeps the ppt close during NA prime time during the week but how often are you ahead in ppt while the bulk of our NA is still online? So please stop pretending that your current NA presence could beat SoRs. It is almost impossible to dominate US prime time against a decently populated server that is actually trying.
It’s a lot different than Oceanic prime time which is easy to dominate when you only face some kind of resistance from sor at our garrison. There are normally not even a dozen pugs left defending bg bl or eb by the time some of the black gate oceanic decide to rock up with ~50 people are drop 4-5 rams per gate. The fact that your oceanic guilds can actually get a queue when they focus on one map compared with sor calling it a good night if we even manage to get 30 defenders in our own bl should really highlight the numbers difference. Black gate is capable of outnumbering sor on sor bl and tc on tc bl while keeping scouts in the all green bg bl and eb all at the same time.
Grenade engineers were amazing in WvW, there really should be more of them.
Fixed that for you. Now they’re okay, with not many alternatives to fall back on in WvW. The thing you may not realize is how hard it can be to hit people with those grenades sometimes due to the red circle indicator and travel time. The damage the #1 skill did made up for the high miss chance, but the 30% damage reduction just went too far to make Grenades as effective. Sure they buffed the damage of the other grenade skills, but now we’re dealing with cooldowns and the numerous different condition removal skills.
So in the end Grenade Engis have basically turned in Vuln stack providers, some condition spreading and a bit of area denial. And for all that I still get carpel tunnel. No thanks.
I do realize how hard landing grenades can be, I did take mine into WvW.
I would never try to hit someone who is actively working to dodge your grenades but
An allied guardian/mesmer pull people into a nice clump for you? Aw how sweet
See some enemies ressing? Sitting ducks.
Ele standing around meteor shower or ranger using barrage? Easy targets
Also in large group fights you end up with red circles every where and hitting someone becomes pretty easy even if it wasn’t the person you where originally aiming at.
Grenade engineers are amazing in WvW, there really should be more of them. 6 AoE skills on one weapon? Pretty awesome even with the nerfs to nade damage over the past. Nadegineers also work really well with mesmer/guardian pull.
Crit builds averaging ~4 stacks of vuln per grenade is amazing and each grenade skill has 3 chances to proc omnom berry pie combined with elixir R or S and you have decent survivability.
Also even having one nadegineer can make killing camp supervisors with the righteous indignation buff so much faster.
I’ve noticed most TC I fight are up leveled. Is that why they all stay in big zergs like that? Or is there some strategy behind it.
Strength in numbers and some times there are benefits in keeping your people together. The maps are also small enough that you can hunt down smaller groups and wipe them one at a time without too much risk of losing structures. PRX did this better than any other group I’ve seen.
People also claim they want even fights but even fights simply don’t make any strategic sense in WvW. If you send 10 people to defend against 10 attackers then the fight could go either way depending on individual skill and coordination of the people involved. However if you meet 10 attackers with 20 defenders the chances of winning that fight are considerably higher.
Say you have 10 attackers hitting briar and 10 hitting bay and you have a group of 20 people. You could send 10 people to defend each structure where you may or may not win the fight or you could take your 20 man group to briar and wipe the attackers while outnumbering them 2:1, then take your whole group of 20 and wipe the attackers hitting bay.
Concentration of force has it’s place in WvW and is not always mindless zerging.
Who would have thought they would follow a 10 man with their 45+ from Longview up to the north camp, back around to the west camp, back up to longview while a group of 15 takes an upgraded garrison?
Everyone who was on tc bl that first reset when tc made it into tier 2. Personally I’m really not surprised it worked.
TC defense strategy of gathering as many people together and meeting any attacking group with overwhelming force is fairly effective, just vulnerable to people getting tunnel visioned if a group doesn’t stand and fight.
Why not just remove the stealth from cloak and dagger and up the vuln to like 10 stacks for 10 seconds.
Stealth remains a powerful tool but it’ll seriously cut down the number of times a thief can stealth.
I do have a level 80 thief that i have spent a good 200+ hours on in wvw. so yes I do understand what a huge nerf this would be. No I don’t think it’ll destroy the thief class at all.
So black gate golem rushed sor garrision earlier but during the huge melee in lords room they forgot to leave some one around to attack a different gate. Uncontested way point for most of the fight? Well that was hilarious.
SoR BL feels so repetitive lately. Take GL, get trebbed, lose GL, take GL, get trebbed…
It’s still fun to farm badges as the flood of defenders comes at us though. >:D
Dude you should see team chat when some one sees you. It’s not an accident that like 20 people try to finish you when you go down. xD It is hilarious to watch thou.
Well, why don’t you come on over and find out! bats eyelashes
…We’ll make you a cake!
Oh no I played portal, I know all about the cake >.>
Not interested in leaving my guild so no transferring for me, I am just simply curious how much role playing happens on TC in wvw.
Sooooooooo what % of TCers role play on team chat in WvW? I’m just curious
100%! We roleplay as WvW players. We got the lingo down and everything.
Funny. =P
I meant does anyone on your server role play as something else when in WvW? Like that tc commander who posts in pirate talk on this forum. Does he talk like that in team chat/vent/ts/whatever???
A guild is not obliged to stay in a server where no one appreciated their effort. Choo has enough smart commanders to lead sor to success, by calling oceanic commander cough a*hole *cough on ts.
Plenty of people appreciated their efforts. Sorry I didn’t feel the need to send them a thank you note for showing up and fighting in wvw.
You will always find vocal rude people on the internet regardless of what server you are on.
It’s a move that skewed the balance of tier 2 even more in an already unbalanced fight just because maybe one day you might make it to tier one again.
How much rating did you gain last week again?
Btw whatever happened to that black gate person who wanted 6-9 balanced tier one quality servers instead of 4 tier one servers and several lower tiered ones?
Also Fate just gave a mobilization order after we trans to BG, cuz he receives trash messages everyday since then.
Not sure what he expected when he decided to transfer to our opponent in the same tier.
I don’t approve of sending fate rude messages but I do understand why people would be so annoyed. You could of transferred to any of the tier 1 servers or to any of the lower tiered servers but you didn’t. You decided to transfer to the server that already has stronger coverage during your prime time and has won the last 6 weeks and is not moving up to tier one any time soon.
For some people it seems WvW isn’t about good fights but zerg rushing nearly empty maps for exp/karma/money. . .
And the fun part American think they are better than Europe people post laughable argument like…
Do just troll every single thread in the wvw section? I’m also aussie not american.
But then what should I expect from someone who thinks a glass cannon warrior is amazing at wvw and that spvp isn’t balanced because you can’t use food buffs. . . .
All they do is die, unless they go support or something.
Not in any of the dungeons I’ve played between pistol whip and black powder dungeons are pretty stupid easy on a thief and you always have your short bow with you.
So if they’re built to evade hits, why don’t they? I see a lot of thieves die in PvE content for reasons that could have been avoided by dodge rolling or evading. Did ANet not give thief enough evasion skills? The way most players play thieves has turned me away from making one. In PvP, all they do is use cheap hit and run tactics, which, to me, makes it seem like they use the stealth mechanic way too often and in cheap ways. In PvE, the ones I’ve seen die too fast so why would I want to play a class that apparently doesn’t have enough defensive tactics.
Do you know what mobs do when faced with black powder or pistol whip? They stand there and take it. Pve with a s/p thief is just stupid easy.
Is this what you guys do in tier 3? End it in some cool way?
Pshh, BG ends it with doing pve, jump puzzles and saving up gold because we’re so far ahead.
Wondered how long we would go before someone on black gate had to point out the scoreboard.
Most of black gate can go do pve/jump puzzles/whatever at any time through out the week and it’ll barely change anything. Gotta love being carried by your night crew aye? =P
While I agree that method is effective, you need to give them a reason to clump together. I would focus on single target, whittle him down, then either use AOE around him to whittle down the folks trying to rez him.
You can down people from range nearly as fast with aoes as you can with single target damage. You also get the benefit of hitting anyone nearby. How often do you see large groups where you can’t hit 2-3 people with an aoe yet the group can still fight effectively?
How often do you see group stability where you can’t use binding blade or mesmers into the void to clump people up?
Lalnuir, there are underground fight clubs (dueling groups) popping up all over. People build out specifically to 1v1 for these. So far, I’ve dueled vs Ehmry Bay, Dragonband, Maguuma, and Yaks Bend.
If you fight in a good 1v1, invite them to your party (target + /invite) and let em know how good they are. It’s amazing the cool people you will meet.
My little ring in this match up has grown to over 10 people across the servers who do nothing but duel each other all day. Quite entertaining and you get so see some really unusual builds.
Fascinating, maybe if i get around to gearing up my guardian I’ll take a look around and see if I can find any in tier 2.
Red Falcon is a terribly player? Why don’t you ask on him at warrior post. Afterall he make a bunch of sample build and considering most people him decent sPvp player. I have seen his playstyle in WvWvW, he lose to opponent who I won because I am running a similar build.
And because of that he was angry at some point that he need post to point if you meet that ‘’Warrior that has failed 100b frenzy’’ don’t help him. That warrior was me. But hey I never needed for help as I have mobile to boot to strike out of the zerg ways. Latter that warrior is being used as selfish users as numerous post count aren’t they? They all promoted me over all place.
I’m done with you, I’ve had enough incoherent trolling for one day.
I still stand by my point that glass cannon warriors are terrible and my offer to come 1v1 me in spvp still stands.
I’m on Seafarers Rest and I have no problem dealing 1on1 since raising from tier 4 to tier 1. Not to mention Seafarers Rest is known as sopthitical tactic and I am part of them.
And I meeted many super decent players on enemy side also Seafarers Rest person user Red Falcon. Although he play a warrior. But quite a reckless one of that. He charge in and goes often 100b frenzy that he haven’t seen that place is just suicide as there is 3+ arrowcarts to boot. =/
The fact that you think anyone using 100b and frenzy is a decent player . . .
The chance of you getting a decent 1v1 fight in WvW is pretty much zero. People run builds that work well in groups not 1v1 fights or they run their pve build and are terrible. Combined with the number of under 80s and under geared people running around you’d be lucky to find even one good 1v1 fight in a month.
Killing 99% of the WvW population in a 1v1 fight is stupid easy I can do it while drunk and explains why you can do it on a terrible build.
How can play 1v1 or small group when the enemy server are doing objective you can’t. And delusion is what make I pro. You are still amateur do you? Not getting sponsered I can understand very well. Because there is many clone of you around after all.
This to the nth power! (Kinda) Well, what I understand is that WvW is not 1v1. It’s not about you; it’s about your team.
WvW is all about keeping the enemy from achieving their objectives, not about getting as many kills as possible. Killing yourself trying to go after the lolthief or lolele who just dove out of your crowd to lure you (in a blind fury) into his is endangering your server’s objectives and fulfilling your enemies’ objectives. Chasing the enemy away is just as effective as killing him. He has to go back until he’s no longer in battle, heal, and then come back to cause problems. Time away from his team’s objectives, time to focus on your team’s objectives.
Also, not enough players in WvW party together (this includes myself), which denies you a VERY effective tool: The Target icon. This lets you do a team burst, focusing your five team members on one person. Have one person ready to pull the enemy into your group. Have someone there to immobilize him. Focus on him, but make sure someone is keeping an eye on events around you. One down, one less to obstruct your objective.
Single target burst is not effective in WvW, if you want to get the most out of the call target icon then target someone in a clump and aoe nuke that spot with multiple people.
Clumps of enemies don’t always have to be naturally forming. There are a couple of aoe pull skills in this game and combined with well placed fears/knock backs you can clump people up fairly easy.
Yeah just ignore him, Lalnui. I’ve already put my money where my mouth is and he’s made it perfectly clear he isn’t willing to take me up on it. Some people are just all talk; easy to act tough on an internet forum :-P
omnom pie is what it GC warrior set different until then 1v1 on spvp server is considering unbalanced. And if you think I am sprouting nonsense. You are so funny.
I don’t think you understand what balanced means but I understand where you are coming from now. You actually think your build is viable because you can pick on under 80s, people running group builds not suited for 1v1 and bad players.
You are obviously determined to keep thinking your build isn’t terrible, just try not to get too heartbroken when you actually meet a half decent player on a build that can fight 1v1.
Also I would get just as much if not more healing from food than you would if my guardian was geared up properly in wvw. Like I said spvp is balanced, you don’t get your pie but I also don’t get my food.
Choko if you ever get tired of sprouting nonsense on the forums my offer to 1v1 in an empty spvp server still stands. You know an actual balanced fight against a 1v1 build.
Yes I know you won’t get your omnom pie you poor thing =/ but don’t worry I won’t have any food either.
