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[Video/Build]Condition Necromancer 1v1 WvW

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I think necromancer is one of the strongest PvP professions. I think their group fighting power via greater marks and epidemic is best of all professions.

A man after my own heart ^^
Nice video and nicely played.
Can you explain your reasoning for picking spectral walk? At some point you switch to it right before you engage someone… so just for protection?

Neat movie, but i have to disagree with you a bit, necro can face any class and beat them in 1v1 but only if they actually want to kill you more than survive, any good ele and thief can escape necro with no problem at all.
And some guardian or ranger with heavy condition removal spec you just could not kill at all, necromancer is fine but there is a lot of specs that are over the top and necromancer just cant handle.

I know that by now your name carries some weight in the community and for that you have my nod of respect from a fellow necromancer. But I must disagree with you on a class wide rock-paper-scissor principal. Sure it applies to some builds, but I refuse to believe that there are builds on other classes that the necromancer is completely powerless against.

Depends on what you mean by powerless. We are not powerless like that someone is gonna run up to us and kill us with no chance to fight/escape BUT we are powerless against many specs just running away from fight cause of our bad mobility and i really find it hard to believe you could kill D/P thief with some points in shadow arts cause they would just stealth whenever you start applying any conditions.
And releasing some pvp vid does not give person credibility so i might just be wrong.

[Video/Build]Condition Necromancer 1v1 WvW

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Neat movie, but i have to disagree with you a bit, necro can face any class and beat them in 1v1 but only if they actually want to kill you more than survive, any good ele and thief can escape necro with no problem at all.
And some guardian or ranger with heavy condition removal spec you just could not kill at all, necromancer is fine but there is a lot of specs that are over the top and necromancer just cant handle.

Leeto II - Necromancer 1v1, 1vX world PVP

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Good video, but would you mind posting a link to your entire build and equipment please?
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/
This one can have w3 armor.

Hmm in this movie i think i played these 2 specs -
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/necromancer/?5.0|6.0.0|b.0.0.8.0.0|0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0|0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0|0.u26b.k28.0.k29|0.0|3r.44.3w.40.4f|e
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/necromancer/?5.0|6.0.0|b.0.0.8.0.0|0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0|0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0|0.u26b.k28.0.k29|0.0|3r.44.3w.40.4f|e

I often switch some traits here and there but ye its always 20-30 pts in curses and soul reaping.

condition or power.

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I roll with hybrid gear and just play modified version of my sPVP condi spec, but from what i have seen you can very successfully play power spec with PVT too.

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Very interesting, especially cause i have completely the opposite opinion. Was interesting to listen so thank you.
The thing i disagree probobly the most is your view on 1v1 build and 1v1 overall.
Necromancer 1v1 build is not like thief one trick pony build where you just try to kill enemy in one combo. Necro 1v1 build is balanced around damage/survibility/mobility and ability to escape. And 1v1 is not that rare, pure 1v1 encounter is but you meet it in other scenarios too like 1vX, picking off people from zerg, fighting 2v2, 3v3 etc. fighting 1+guards vs X.
And in the end what are alternatives to good 1v1 build? A build that excels in one thing like damage or survibility?

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I hope noone minds that i casually bump this post by saying that i don`t suggest going full rampager gear, hybrid is great but full rampager is a bit over the top, you can drop 10% of crit chance and some power for more survibility.

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Ye i have thought lot about gear and would love to experiment around, but don`t have gold for that. I`m worried that full condition build would not be able to kill anyone and power builds just don`t feel right to me, except D/D but then i would rather play D/D elementalist.

PvP tips Power necro

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Dagger off hand is amazing, you get aoe weakness and 3 target blind… Its probobly most useful offhand against mesmer.

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Let’s see

1st Fight: Why was this even on the video?

2nd: Vizunah who has NPC on him. Then you 1v1 the bad ranger who got left behind.

3rd: Bad ranger, you know how I can tell? He’s using the kitten HoM pet.

4th: Well, it was decent untill about when you’re buddies showed up behind you and so the necro proceeded to flee and get finished by the warrior, thief and ranger behind you.

5th: Well that was acctually good

6th: Same engi and necro as 5th I assume? Nice job again.

7th and 8th: Vizunah trio, this was acctually enjoyable to watch. Nice job there again ^^

9th: You killed a half dead necro with a mob. But She didn’t seem to be wearing her usual roaming gear. Then again since the person in question is my guildie I’m biased :P

10th: Another nice fight again

11th: You got killed.

Where are all the Mesmer and Ele fights?

Well that`s some… feedback.
Guess its positive so thanks.
Used leftover clip for intro, cause i dont get to fraps that much clips.
3. Fight with ranger was just because i started with half HP and survived only cause of Runes of Balthazar
4. I actually feared hes heal and then he was already dead.
5, 6. Thanks
7,8,9. was same clip and thanks to your guildie for saving me from those thiefs XD
11. Well after my elite destroyed my flesh wurm i could use DS to try killing him or to run away. And believe me i got load of more deaths.

With mesmers and elementalist it is similar as with thiefs, good ones kill you, average ones runs away from you and bad ones you just burst/lock down.

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Just finished my 2nd movie, hope you enjoy it and leave feedback. More info in youtube description. Be sure to check out my first one if you havent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPWbPp0FQbs

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Do you swap to staff when you go into DS for those high crits? My build is very similar, but my crits are nowhere near that good.

Not really, rampager gear + 30 points in soul reaping and you will have even bigger crits than me cause i dont have full exotic gear.

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We are the Coalition of Necros for better Wv3 play, and we demand answers.

-Traits and gear?
-Also flesh worm is an interesting choice, is the second blink/tp really that much better than say epidemic or locusts in Wv3?
-I notice the only time it seemed you poped plague was 1/2 through a stomp, is it just there for the stability?

Great game-play though, and not bad editing for your first time ever. Loved the soundtrack though.

Spec – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNBmWDbkRLcPezXjfPBIpw6njUQMyUPgnd0B
Gear is rampager with undead runes and earth sigils.
I play Wv3 cause it has better situations of 1vX than SPVP so ye wurm is great to escape or as some extra dmg, when running around with zerg or defending structure i just switch it out for epidemic.
Yes, plague is for stomping/ressing, surviving + it gives great advantage to your zerg when fighting another.
Thanks, i really appreciate that you liked it.

I aint even mad but...

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And btw my problem is 2k bow autoattacks nothing else, they should be max 500 dmg.

I aint even mad but...

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I don’t see perfect counters there.

You ate the entirety of his dagger storm elite. You healed through poison. You didn’t seem to be capable of breaking stun. You rarely dodge rolled (3 times entire fight). You were solo…

Lots of reasons you bit the dust.

I could argue with you and pretend that you know what your talking about etc. but lets be honest "You ate the entirety of his dagger storm elite. You healed through poison. " obviously you have no clue whats going on in this game.

I aint even mad but...

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calm your pants down. Admin should close this topic, videos make kids flip out and use bad words so i edited this.

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Melike. It’s a little dark but that’s ok. What skills do you have in the utility bar?

Ye sometimes a bit too dark. =/
Spectral Walk/Corrupt Boon/Flesh Wurm

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Hello im Leeto, Asura Necromancer from Boneblack Brigade.
This is my first GW2 PVP movie where i put together some WvW 1vX clips, as its not only my first GW2 movie but first movie im making in Sony Vegas then its editing is not too good cause i was mostly just testing out things.
Footage itself is not top notch either, but i really enjoyed making it and might make another in future.
Special Thanks:
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FUBAR alliance
Beyond Recognition

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AoE is too powerful, especially necromancer AoE, so its getting nerfed. Seems good to me.

900 games played & won 1st 1v1 vs a Rogue

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What happened? This one didnt dodge your hundred blades?

''No weapon swapping hurts competitive play''

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Awesome change, was so sick of running with open inventory all the time just to switch to warhorn.
And the fact that now people gotta use overall balanced build makes game better, just because someone gimps hes build to kill certain player in match make him skilled? No.
Theres nothing skilled about switching your traits/utilities in middle of match just because you need to bunker a point for 2 min before your normal bunker arrives.

Maybe its not that different after all.

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I prefer paying subscription cause then devs at least worry about their players quitting, feel like anet is just gonna try to make their next expansion look awesome and then forget about players for another year. Im still patriotic about anet beeing best devs but i cant keep lying to myself forever… I stopped PVE once i understood that tutorial bosses are best bosses in whole game, stopped wvwvw when i understood that nothing matter cause the best server will always be with most players at most times, and now PVP is starting to let me down cause it starts to become build wars.

Build Wars? I suppose getting epic raid gear to steamroll players is the best option, like all the other MMOs do?

Guild Wars was always about finding the build that suit you best.

I wont even comment on the tutorial bosses…

Only bads always thought that its about gear in wow, i always played with the pvp gear you farmed from battlegrounds and never had problems. And ye its build wars, i have 1 good build for necro, 1 for engi, 3 for guardian, 2 for elementalist and so on… if you really want to play what you prefer then get ready to be farmed in tourneys.

Maybe its not that different after all.

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I prefer paying subscription cause then devs at least worry about their players quitting, feel like anet is just gonna try to make their next expansion look awesome and then forget about players for another year. Im still patriotic about anet beeing best devs but i cant keep lying to myself forever… I stopped PVE once i understood that tutorial bosses are best bosses in whole game, stopped wvwvw when i understood that nothing matter cause the best server will always be with most players at most times, and now PVP is starting to let me down cause it starts to become build wars.

Maybe its not that different after all.

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So last 2 months all im doing is making up excuses to keep playing GW2 instead of returning to god forsaken WoW, but all my excuses have been broken except 1) Devs actually balance PVP 2) Theres no kitten healers in PVP.
1) Blizz actually started to balance more PVP in MOP, and gw2 pvp has stayed as balanced as it has been, im not saying its not balanced but imo it isnt any more balanced then it was at release.
2) I actually start to doubt this one, playing against guardians who you cant just kill in 1v1 feels pretty same as trying to kill healer in wow.
Since release only actually extreme change to improve this game was removing orbs from wvwvw so really dont understand what happened to anets original attitude towards improving the game in every way they can.

Nerf necro and make it fun.

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I can be built to be fantastic bunker build with ok bleeds and can survive things well enough but we are not OP in anyway. We cannot chase down other class’s, our spectral grasp and dark pact often miss targets, our corruptions beside epidemic are not that good. Our minions do poor damage, have poor health, and like to attack whatever they want. We have numerous bugs in our traits. O and our traits are just boring over all. If and when they fix our traits and change reanimater for the better of the class I might say we could be OP but no more OP then any other class for a change. I will admit though we are a very boring class to play since we are a attrition class over all.

Im not saying we are OP but i see why we dont have any interesting active skills like all other classes, because we have passive stuff. All minions are boring, all wells are boring (and pretty crap), basicly all signets are pretty boring
Only fun and unique things we have are – deathsrhoud, spectral grasp and epidemic, everything else is nerfed versions of other class skills

Nerf necro and make it fun.

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I think you mean fix necro sir not nerf.

No i mean nerf, we have passive defense, passive attack and load of boring attacks… How do you suppose to get active defense + active offense while keeping the passive crap and not becoming OP?

Nerf necro and make it fun.

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Ive been playing necro since BWE1, but now lately when i have tried other classes in PVP i just cant return to necro. Necromancer is very powerful yes indeed but kitten it has nothing fun at all, i have spent quite alot of time just looking at our utility skills and their all are like boring versions of other class skills.
All that you do on necro is stack bleeds + poison heals, many of our utility skills have granting life force as its active component which really isnt very fun thing.
So maybe instead of giving us crappy versions of other class skills just nerf the class overally and give us some fun abilities and mechanincs… if all i want to do is kill people then i can do it on engi using knockbacks, combo fields and other fun mechanics instead of spamming scepter #1

Such a simple fix...

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Wasnt big fan of wvwvw but i gave up completely when i understood that everything is useless cause winner will be the server with most active people at nights.
Just make so server can only have as many people per map as server with lowest representation have… This will incrase ques for active wvwvw servers even more but you can just change servers…
BAM! Night capping fixed, server population gets more balanced.
Now start with your pointless sea of whining and silly kido opinions that flood these forums.

Losing interest? Try this!

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And kitten stop grinding…

What Endgame does GW2 have?

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I played wow for years, and there was less endgame than in GW2, just because blizzard created illusion that theres endgame doesnt mean it was actually there.

What Endgame does GW2 have?

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GW2: Dungeons/wvw/explore/DE
Other games: Raid
Yes there isnt much endgame but its more than in any other mmorpg…

GW2 is not for casuals and thats why some are quitting.

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You are so hardcore.

Yes it sometimes amazes me too, but i have learned to live with it over years.

GW2 is not for casuals and thats why some are quitting.

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So anet was creating this game for casuals but they didnt realize that mmorpg genre has changed the casual gamer over the years.
What does casual player do in mmos these days? He farms he grinds he tries to max hes pvp gear so he can have some chance on killing someone in pvp.
What does hardcore player do? He meets the requirement and then clears the hard content, problem is that most of time to meet this requirement you gotta farm and grind. In pvp hardcore player just goes around defeating everyone.
I see people grinding full dungeon sets in few days and then whining… I did set a rule for myself – one piece per dungeon, cause doing same content aint even hard after so many runs, and why the hell i would want full set of gear? Just to look like everyone else? NO! I get different pieces and then use my taste of style to combine them in something cool.
In pvp i just go around smashing faces like any other hardcore player does.
Casual player has no idea what to do in mmo beside grinding more gear.
Just so you understand that im not just yapping here i added picture of me being hardcore in Lions Arch.

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Hello, i plan on doing Arah today so could you please update me about it?
1) Do i need story mode completed?
2) Which paths are working.
3) Which paths are easier/harder?
4) Is there anything you would want to warn me about.
Thank you =)

Has anyone L2P already?

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Yes, by the matter of fact i have. And i must say you wont see necro buffs for some while, only fixes. I dont know how good it is cause i havent played other profs, but beeing able to win 1v2, survive 1v3 and dominating 1v1 completely satisfies me. In wvwvw i feel pretty tough on my necro too.
You achieve everything in a bit more complicated way than on other classes but you still can achieve it.

Kinda lonely.

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http://www.gw2guilds.org/guilds/us/ehmry-bay
1. Find which one suits you.
2. Write good application.
3. Make friends.
4. Enjoy.

Explorable too easy!

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I think all pathways should be hard, or otherwise there should be some notice that one is easy mode path and other is for more experienced players.
And in arah and this CoF path, why its hard? People need to plan their tactics out, it has complicated fights with many mechanics and multiple phases, they need to synergize their builds or theres just some specific thing that makes the dungeon hard?
I havent seen anything hard in dungeons yet that would require us to plan out some strategy, all the time its just some annoying skill or boss that you complete while beeingkitten about hes abilities or w/e.

How i learned to love GW2 over a day.

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I made topic day ago about how everything requires me to grind if i want any lvl 80 exotics. I was sitting in Lions Arch doing nothing cause everything seemed useless.
Yesterday i logged in game and my guild was forming dungeon run just to help out those who are farming something, i was bored as always and joined. They asked me which dungeon i need and i said that i dont care cause i already gave up on game. So they decided on AC explorable, we did one very laid back run and in the end i see that i have earned almost gold, got like 30 tokens and had very good time.
So it came to me, i just need to relax and go with the flow, and i had blast for rest of the day, i did 3 different dungeons, went to Fields of Ruin to buy karma stuff which ended up in around hour just walking around city looking at interesting things.
Now i have loads of things to do, i have 50% map still to explore 5 dungeon sets that i will get someday (might even get my first gearpiece rather soon if guild does more TA), jumping puzzles, wvwvw and so on and on.
Theres alot of grind in this game but its only grind if you actually grind it, and alot of people say that game isnt rewarding which actually aint true, they just work for rewards and then rewards turn into payment. Now i feel i have switched my wow mentality completely at last and im loving the game. Lets see how i feel after few days.

Explorable too easy!

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So im not big pver but my guild had extra slot so i joined for some dungeons, we did 1 path AC, 2 paths TA and 1 path HOTW, all of them were quite easy.
How i see dungeon: its hardest PVE thing in game so it should be challange, it should be impossible with PUG and without VOIP, people should coordinate what traits/utilities they use, there should be timing and so on.
When i heard there will be no raids only 5 man dungeons i thought the explorables will be hardcore and i wont even want to go there cause im pvper but actually pugs have them on farm.
I think story modes should be the farmable version then people would always have others with who to do dungeons for their story cause atm everyone farms explorable and storymodes are dead.
I think what raiders from other mmos want is actual challange not just 25 man dungeon.

Can i improve my character somehow without grinding?

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well seems ill go with mulch method, cause gold is thing you can get without grinding.

Can i improve my character somehow without grinding?

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Ye i thought the gear wont be focus too, but seems PVErs have different opinion on what is easily achievable, to get max stat gear i must engage hardcore grindfest.
I loved exploring till i understood that everyone else from my guild is farming gear and now im weakest link on our wvwvw team cause im only one still running around in low level gear.

Can i improve my character somehow without grinding?

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So i normally do sPVP, but felt sad that whole PVE part of game is wasted then so i want to do something in it but i can only find grind or things that give no rewards. For now only thing that i found that isnt grindfest was getting WVWVW gear but i noticed that you can only buy gear with vit/pow which is not needed for my condition necro.
Is there some way to obtain level 80 exotics or just nice looking gear without repeating same thing over and over and over again?

The PVP in this game will die if...

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I 95% sure I saw redpost with nearly-l2p text.

Well some things are so obvious that even devs cant keep silent.

The PVP in this game will die if...

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if anet listens to forum community. The thing is that all competent players are actually in game and enjoying it, but only bad players come to forums and whine instead of learning to play.
Anet gotta be politcorrect so they cant say this, but i can: “If something seems totally OP to you then your bad, and you should feel bad”
Im pvping for years and i play with mentality that everything is my fault. Dont blame classes, dont blame mechanics, blame yourself and improve instead of sitting on your phat * and trying to find excuse why you lost.
And btw even tho anet says that they read all your opinions etc. etc. actually they dont because if they would listen to players who have no idea what their doing then this game would get more unbalanced and result in even more whining.

//Leeto – Asura Necromancer

rated 2v2-3v3-ratings-Duels. or no need to pvp

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We have arena already its in 5v5 format and has capture the point style instead of deathmatch.
Duels? I would be all for duels, but only thing it would bring would be whining about balance issues.

Jon Peters the Jay Wilson of the Necro community?

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WTF but hes right, necros are fine their just complicated to play, the problem is that other classes are easy mode.

Fundamental Problem for Necro´s

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Necros arent underpowered their just not rewarding, once you master it your just as good as everyone else but not better.

Lets see your Necromancers/Reapers!

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Behold – LEETO THE MASTER OF DARKNESS MWUAHAHAHA

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First of all i want to say thanks for making Necro so fun and cool profession (with exception of minions, sucks to have 4 skills that i will never use).
Jon has stated multiple times that necro is one of hardest class to master and i could not agree more, cause the difference between me in betas and now is huge, i utilize my DS and use my skills properly etc. etc. but im wondering once you master necro, are you actually more powerful than other classes?
Cause atm even tho im far from mastering but im 10 times better necro than any other prof, yet i feel only slightly more powerful on necro. I know everything about my necro and i do “wonders” on him but these “wonders” give me same results as playing my mesmer, and i dont even know what my skills do on mesmer.

P.S.
I`ll take the chance and share my idea about new necro skill:
IMO necro is balanced in such way that he should NEVER run around with 0 life force (which happens quite a lot), so how about giving us a F2 skill, which gives you 20% life force on 1 min cooldown and is only usable outside of combat? To disguise it and not break immersion etc. i would make it into small demon that doesnt attack and isnt attackable, once you sacrifice it you get life force. I think it would be cool for those who dont care about life force too cause then they would have small demon to run around with, even if their not minion masters.

EDIT: I just want to say that im sorry for even bringing this up, this is first time im on forums but now after reading them i see that people have no idea what their talking about, they even misinterpret my topic as necros beeing bad… I didnt mean that necros are bad i just meant that they take more effort to be as good as others but doesnt reward you if your better than others.
If your having problems with necros then its only your fault and Jon Peters ir right, once you actually learn to play it then your fine.

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