Guild Wars 2

JonathanSharp.7094:

So with the Thief, we feel like their straight burst with some sets is too good as it is (Mug/C &D/BS/heartseeker), but a lot of other things are weak in comparison, which is bad.

The goal is to allow them to punish boons (something we also want to try with the Warrior) while also improving their mobility with all weapon sets (since Shortbow is already strong at that, but it overpowers other options).

As Allie said, we want to be careful to balance their WvW/PvE potential against their PvP potential, and then inside of PvP, we have to be careful to watch how they perform at high ranks vs. low ranks.

As a necro this conerns me. The fact we have boon stripping as our thing and now you are planning to give boon punishment (way better than boon stripping) to other classes leads me to question why people would then ever want necros as we have no mobility or burst really. I hope that any changes in this direction would see some sort of “thing” the necros can do We would need a rework if this is the plan. Maybe a condition buff to put our conditions on a par with the current engi build which can easily out condi us.

Why is nobody on this forum asking about leaderboreds?

Whats going on guys?

I wish they would give portal to other classes. Portal is way OP but its a good thing. Just wish they would give it to other classes too. I am sure most mesmers would love to not just be back point defenders too.

There is no leaderboard, it was just a lie to keep pvp players from realising this patch actually had nothing in it for them.

Besides it will only show the top 100 so it is pointless for 99% of the population. Pretty funny you cant even see your own rating NOT BECAUSE THEY CANT SHOW IT YOU BUT BECAUSE THEY THINK IT WONT MATTER TO YOU.

Hahaha this is so pathetic. Not showing your own rating stops all progression and is epic fail. They think we dont want to see our number (they said on the sotg before last) which just shows how out of touch they are.

fail.

Oni.5429:

Davinci.8027:

@Oni
The leaderboards will be taking to account the MMR pre-patch…

That’s the problem.

They reset the mmr in February(without announcement or warning which made all of our mass gaming pointless), when all the teams were playing. We all assumed mmr would come in in march with yet another reset because that makes sense. I mean, who introduces a ladder without a reset right? So during march not a single top tier team was playing seriously except for a few lower tier teams that finally got to win a lot.

Now we find out the next month that there was no reset, which heavily kittens up the initial mmr.

In the end this wont matter, it’ll get fixed. I just hope we don’t have to see those names on the leaderboards for a month c:

This is irrelevant as the leader-board should be reset every few months anyway to keep things fresh. So whether they reset it now…I dont care. As long as there are regular resets so we can have “Season 1 top 10” etc then I am happy…..

To be honest we need variety but I would settle for random map rotation

Zodian.6597:

This is the problem with the MMR in GW2, everyone starts at a medium point in the ladder, then gets knocked down by premades, then climbs their way back up the ladder just to loose again because they get put onto teams with new players that are just starting at that middle point + they have to face premades again.

Until they update the pvp interface to display everything that can be said over VOIP (# of enemies at points where allies are fighting, which allies are roaming/on back point, who’s timewarp that is, ect…), premades will always dominate solo queue players. Either this has to happen, or solo queue. But I think it would be much healthier for the game to just give the players the option to react and see what’s actually happening on a global scale. I don’t see the point of this iron curtain between the the player and what’s actually going on in the game. ITS COMMUNISM! lol ;p …but seriously pls shove more immersion down my throat, I didn’t know i was playing skyrim.

Ye. In gw1 all enemies were visible on the map too (I think?). A much better system imo. Would really make solo q/no voice comm better imo. Would just improve many peoples experience so much.

uberkingkong.8041:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Nobody knows who the best is. There is no way to prove it and if anyone thinks someone is the best thief that’s purely an opinion which is inevitably based on incomplete information. Fine to have an opinion but stating at as fact is ignorant tbh.

Yeah hence why they need leaderboards…
But more importantly anet needs to do what GW1 does and that’s host big time tournaments every week or month.

Leaderboards wont help.

Play in a regular guild team all on ts? Be highest.
Playing is a loose group of people? Next highest.
Play with dudes from map chat? Next highest.
Solo Queue alot? Lowest.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Finding “a team” isn’t really a reasonable option. 95% of the teams you’re playing against are probably a loose collection of people who met in a free tourney a few months ago and added each other to contacts.

You’re best option is probably to do the same thing. Keep solo queueing, and whenever you get a teammate who knows what he’s doing, ask if you can add him to your friends list. They’ll say yes because they’re looking for the same thing. It takes some time but eventually you’ll have a deep enough pool of contacts to form at least partial teams most times you play.

Great advice and exactly what I did.

Bas.7406:

guza.6170:

Oh i thought there were some organized tournaments that i didnt know about, anyway nice idea. Although i didnt know there are actually still any teams that play in EU.

They were fewer before the most recent patch, but I was talking to a few guys who were excited that a few of the better teams came back after the newest patch with MMR ranking.

There is definatly enough players in the eu to form a decent competitve scene. The problem is that the formation of teams is a pipe dream for most people. It is impossible to make sure people are on at the same time for regular play or to ensure people dont get rage or to ensure people dont fall out or to ensure people dont quit the game (team loses 1 guy then its hard to replace).

So there will never be teams in that sense. There will be good teams made of good players who regularly play together. But the “5 man team” thing to me seems unrealistic – although some might do it briefly. This is why I think a solo q would be cool. Then have weekly/monthly tournaments which are prestigious for teams who want to get serious as a team.

Nobody knows who the best is. There is no way to prove it and if anyone thinks someone is the best thief that’s purely an opinion which is inevitably based on incomplete information. Fine to have an opinion but stating at as fact is ignorant tbh.

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

Pyrial.2917:

So it’s not like pvpers DON’T want to spend money, it’s just that there isn’t anything to spend it on with relation to pvp.

There it is. The root of the evil.

Sadly, there are too few PvPers left in the game (due to launching the game under -developed in sPvP) to make a meaningful bottom-line impact, so A-net is now in a “If you build it, they will come.” state of existence, meaning they have to invest a bunch of sunk cost into features before they can get a real PvP commnity back and then turn them profitable. At the moment it doesn’t appear that investment is going to be made in the near future.

I think pvp launched in a good state and a similar state to pve. It has been since that pve additions have been:
1, A full reworking of the daily system
2, A whole new dungeon with constantly scaling difficulty – fractals
3, A whole new gear tier
4, Reworkings to existing dungeons
5, The addition of new events and a reworking of max level area
6, 3 very large holiday events (the current one, haloween and wintersday)
7, Whole new type of content – guild missions with new ones being added all the time

Pvp has gotten:
Nothing – but a flawed matchmaking system which doesnt even separate pugs from premades.

And that isnt exagerating. We have literally got nothing but bad balance changes. There is no features currently in that wasnt in at launch. They added paids and then just removed them (good move but still).

So in 8 months the pvp devs have a body of work which is literally non-existant. The facts speak for themselves. The anet studio should actually review their progress and see that NONE has been made. This shouldnt be acceptable to them and it clearly isnt acceptable to us the players. They can talk all they want about this and that. But at the end of the day they haven’t delivered anything AT ALL to us. The pvp devs (are there any?) might as well of been on holiday for the past 8 months and we literally wouldnt of noticed. Thats a fact not my opinion too. Because the lack of additions speak for themselves.

Edit: sorry we have 2 new maps. 1 of which is a joke because of the imbalances and bugs (rtl with orb at 100% speed) which still havent been fixed.

Jumper.9482:

“Whack-a-Mole” is a pretty accurate statement of what they’ve been doing thus-far.
At least from Thief PoV.
In order:
Unload, VShare, Pistolwhip, TacticalStrike(Daze/CC build) + Dagger Offhand, Pistolwhip and Unload again (via quickness)+ Condi+ Another dagger offhand nerf via 4sec reveal.
Mind you, most of these have been 33-50% nerfs, rendering the builds unviable especially in a competitive setting.

At this point either you play D/P burst because it’s the only thing untouched or you reroll ele.

You could say this about any class though. Except ele which even though the strongest seems to be the only class they are worried about over balancing.

The 1 main warrior build got an insane quickness nerf to make it not viable (100b build). The necro main build was nerfed with the changes to epidemic (epidemic build). The main ranger build nerfed with quickness. So yeh, its not just the thief.

This happened to several people I know since the patch

Funny how they kitten over epidemic by making it blockable and dodgable whilst leaving the way too long cast time AND YET they wont fix rtl (which effects games way more) by making it consistent with other movement skills and slowing it down due to chills and cripples.

It MUST be a technical issue surely.

Ostricheggs.3742:

it killed rangers. There is no point to bring a ranger to a team anymore. On demand haste stomps and rezzes were the ONLY thing worth their lack of DPS, hurt even further because you can’t quickness stack bleeds anymore. Other classes can 1v1, other classes have more survivabiltiy, other classes have more utility, other classes have more roam speed and point defense.

Dont really agree with this. Ranger is still good. Warrior and ranger aren’t comparable at all imo. Warrior is just useless. Ranger is ok

Two classes killed? It only killed the warrior. Because their only build (more or less) was based around quickness because it was the only way to land 100b and to do enough damage before running off again. Thief build wasnt at all and isnt at all based around quickness so it didnt destroy that class.

Rerroll.9083:

Still looking for answers to this question:

Is the no map rotation temporary? Are you working on it?

Same map is killing pvp

If you can’t randomize it maybe a predefined rotation shared by all teams would help.
ie: one team joins foefire, next one joins kyhlo etc

Prob be temple till tuesday as today is easter friday and monday is easter monday. So they forgot to change us the map again did they?

And for me you are correct. Random map rotation would be my no.1 priority after balance.

I don’t think people really understand what I am saying. If you don’t then try solo queuing and see for yourself. It is just demoralising to be honest. I can’t even be bothered to try hard whilst doing it even in a fair 2v2 or 1v1 or something. Just using solo q to practice new builds and things from now on. And I have played vs full teams very very often as a solo queuer with full on noobs on my team. These full teams will earn rating on the ladder. But they didnt earn their win and I didnt deserve a loss. Ladder = joke. It is better not to have it and if you disagree then you dont solo q. End of story.

And dont tell me “people always blame their teammates but often it is their fault too”. You try beating a PREMADE of rank 50s when you whole team triple caps close point at the start of the game, 1 guy is afk and they are all rank 7. Even with one rank 4 you will lose as you will be outnumbered all over the map.

It is stupid. All the ladder will show is who is the best out of about 20 players who never solo q or have stopped solo q and play in a “team”. It is lame. And downed state means its super hard to win a 2v3 or a 1v2 in this game. So without proper coordination or with just 1 pve hero on your team then your basically going to lose unless your opponents are beyond bad.

Valkyriez.6578:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Valkyriez.6578:

It will get better IMO. MMR needs a population to support itself. It’s no diff the. The last month anyway, teams hit solo players cause of no population.

Get a duo or trio que going and minimize the damage

Doesnt really solve the problem. Seriously can people stop suggesting “get people to play with”. It is kitten advice. I just want to play and have a fun game. That isnt possible right now. If you are one of those losers who always has to have a full team all on teamspeak then good for you. Some of us dont want to do that but that doesnt mean we deserve to get owned and have no fun.

It is all compounded by the ladder. Cos you know there will be players up the top of the ladder just cos they run in premade all the time. That isnt what a ladder should be. What if they have a football tournament and decided that it was fair to rank players according to their wins. They would have teams with tactics and managers and their players would get rewarded for playing against and beating a team with 5 goalkeepers and 6 under 12 players. It is ridiculous.

The ladder means f all and so does everything in this game right now. Balance is a joke. Basically did the biggest nerf BY FAR seen in this game ON THE WORST CLASS ALREADY. Idiots. Slow and steady and “no whack a mole” unless that whack a mole means deleting the warrior class.

Mate, all I do is solo or very occasionally duo que for tournaments. I support a seperated solo and team ladder, but until then, make do as best you can.

I’m not having too many issues in tournaments as solo at the moment. If anything, the faster pops and full teams is a nice change.

I would like a rank 10 restriction on it though. At least get people to learn where the modes are in hotjoin. It might not achieve much, but it couldnt hurt.

And one last restriction, regardless of whether rank equals skill or not but an algorithm that makes the highest rank in a match no more the. 20 ranks above the lowest. It won’t solve everything but could bring some parity back in.

Regarding balance, no comment. Talking balance in this forum is like every single other MMO or MOBA game, pointless and full of whingers.

Ok fair enough.

I always laugh when a warrior on my team heals and I see their hp bar go up about an inch lol. Mending heals for so little it is an insult.

Shalla.3967:

In less than 4 days the monthly will reset and things will sort of be back to normal. I reckon this only happened because the patch came at the end of the month and it didn’t take into account people that had done their pve version of the monthly before it, so they are getting rewarded with laurels by doing the pvp version as well.

In a normal setting, you would only get rewarded for doing one version of the monthly, or so it said in the patch notes.

people are still going to “mix it up” by doing their daily in pvp sometimes.

Valkyriez.6578:

It will get better IMO. MMR needs a population to support itself. It’s no diff the. The last month anyway, teams hit solo players cause of no population.

Get a duo or trio que going and minimize the damage

Doesnt really solve the problem. Seriously can people stop suggesting “get people to play with”. It is kitten advice. I just want to play and have a fun game. That isnt possible right now. If you are one of those losers who always has to have a full team all on teamspeak then good for you. Some of us dont want to do that but that doesnt mean we deserve to get owned and have no fun.

It is all compounded by the ladder. Cos you know there will be players up the top of the ladder just cos they run in premade all the time. That isnt what a ladder should be. What if they have a football tournament and decided that it was fair to rank players according to their wins. They would have teams with tactics and managers and their players would get rewarded for playing against and beating a team with 5 goalkeepers and 6 under 12 players. It is ridiculous.

The ladder means f all and so does everything in this game right now. Balance is a joke. Basically did the biggest nerf BY FAR seen in this game ON THE WORST CLASS ALREADY. Idiots. Slow and steady and “no whack a mole” unless that whack a mole means deleting the warrior class.

Empiren.6401:

daydream.2938:

more people in solo q is a good thing, a certain percentage of them will stick around and pvp.
Making a true solo/duo Q vs team q would alievate a lot of these problems.

You really think people will “stick around” when they get stomped by any premade?

This.

Alot of the problems would be removed if they just gave noobs a -10000 rating until they prove themselves. This cant be the case now and if it is then the matchmaking is just broken.

Kaizer.7135:

Make a team and own them then.

Close topic

Missed the point. Stomping and being stomped. Both lame

Honestly I dont main warrior but it is now sooooo bad its untrue. The class is just officially useless. Anter dont realise the size of the nerf obv

Thought it might be an emergency patch to nerf banners

Warrior is Op imo. Banners. Do it.

Draygo.9473:

It will sort itself out in a few days. You at least have people playing right now.

PvP needs a healthy group of casuals playing it.

Yeh it needs healthy group of players but not with ratings which mean you face full teams of r45 with them.

It is utter bs. And they doing a ladder with this kitten? Whats the point. These teams beating me as solo q didnt “earn” their win. They dont deserve to be rewarded in a ladder and have me punished.

It is utterly ridiculous and criminally flawed.

Or make people who never played before have the worst rating possible. Solo Q is a nightmare atm with all the people with no clue how to play just doing their daily/monthly. This is going to become more common I think.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Lordrosicky.5813:

1, Let players be seen on the map and in the team window however far away from you they are on the map.
2, Show enemy players who are visible to another of your players as a red dot on the map (most key change)
3, Put a number instead of a green dot as your players on the map. So player 1 in the team will be a green “1” and player 2 will be a green “2”
4, Add in game emotes – So people can call out that they need help or that everything is fine where they are.

1) This will be addressed when spectator mode is released.
2) This would be very helpful, though I have some reserves on its potential correctness.
3) See below.
4) We’ve certainly brought this up before, but it hasn’t gotten traction yet.

Mithir.7460:

i would prefer a class icon instead of the number

We’re experimenting with this right now.

On number 2 I really think this is the key thing. There are no downsides to this that I can see?

Thanks for the feedback neway

Mithir.7460:

i would prefer a class icon instead of the number

That would be pretty cool too

Alot of us cant be bothered with teamspeak (or solo queue) so I dont think we should be punished because the map and UI is awful. In a lot of other esports many teams can use the map or in game features to get around needing ts. I dont think you need ts in this game but it probably is a small advantage (some say big advantage).

Here are my ideas to improve in game communication without teamspeak, please provide your own ideas too:

1, Let players be seen on the map and in the team window however far away from you they are on the map.
2, Show enemy players who are visible to another of your players as a red dot on the map (most key change)
3, Put a number instead of a green dot as your players on the map. So player 1 in the team will be a green “1” and player 2 will be a green “2”
4, Add in game emotes – So people can call out that they need help or that everything is fine where they are.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Oblivion.8307:

We get it, you don’t like eles. Not many people do.

He studied OP-Classes at the university of the Mists. We need more of his informations.

You do indeed. I am on a mission to spread the word :P

Swap maps daily would be nice. Then 1 for the weekend. Thats presuming it only takes 5 minutes to change the map which they suggested it did.

Edi: And seen as they did nothing to fix the ele domination of spirit watch I would rather they just dont include this map until they fix it.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Necromancer’s Spectral Armor: 6s protection + life force + breaks stun; 90s cooldown.
Elementalist’s Armor of Earth: 6s protection + 6s stability + breaks stun; 90s cooldown.

I’m not sure how relevant life force is, but both skills seem to be in a similar position in theory. So let’s not compare apples to oranges (6s protection skills under 90s cooldown, with invulnerability).

Regarding Endure Pain, it allows you to to burst or do other weapon skills, unlike Mist Form. But although I don’t play a warrior, and I’m not aware of how good that skill is, Mist Form is perfectly fine at its current cooldown, IMO. Eles just happen to use it so often, because they desesperately need that kind of self-protection, due to their low natural defense, and there’s no worthwhile alternative. Plus, their cantrip traits are some of their best.

Gaining life force is kind of not even close to stability. If spectral armour gave stability it would be fine. But it doesnt. Stability is 100000% better than granting small amounts of life force.

Btw, I played against an ele yesterday who had something like 33 seconds of protection at one point. How is that balanced? Them fixing those runes sucks now as eles can have even more prot up time.

Cirax.9231:

Lordrosicky.5813:

I would like to see mist form get a 90s cooldown tbh. I mean endure pain is WAY worse as its not invulnerbility and thats on a 90s cooldown. It is a joke. Its 100% worse than mist form and yet is on a longer cd lol.

You can actually use your weapon skills during endure pain lasting 5 seconds, which is lots of time to set up something, whereas mist form lasts 3 seconds and locks out the weapon skill bar. The CDs are fine.

Nothing much has changed post patch. Until they tone down bunkering along with recent quickness nerf, what’s left of the meta won’t change.

Ok fine. You think endure pain that lasts for 5 seconds is fine. So lets buff it to 5 seconds from 3 seconds. That would be fine too. Glad you agree

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Nothing changed. Just the rare warriors dissapeared completely by now.

Perhaps it is just that the map is no longer spirit watch lol.

Killthehealersffs.8940:

I would love to see Warriors Rampage (and eng elixir X) , with no cast time and used under CC-ed .
Combined with Superior Rune of Lyssa (+165 Precision + removes all condtion + get all buffs for 5 sec) , becoming a a free jail card , without the need to equip a stun breaker or condition removal :P

Lyssa really is terrible imo because:
1, Then the warrior cant use signet of rage for mobility as much
2, It can easily get corrupt booned and then your dead

On further reflection and play the meta sucks. Warriors are utterly dead. I tried to play it today. it is my favourite class and it sucks.

I would also like to see a significant reduction in the damage taken whilst in frenzy and now they nerfed quickness maybe they can finally make mending 30% more of a heal and maybe reduce the cd on endure pain to make it at least comparable with other professions skills like this.

P.s. why does a necro have a 90s cooldown to just get 6 seconds of protection (spectral armour) and yet an ele gets a 75s cooldown on becoming invulnerable for 3s. Its so unfair.

I would like to see mist form get a 90s cooldown tbh. I mean endure pain is WAY worse as its not invulnerbility and thats on a 90s cooldown. It is a joke. Its 100% worse than mist form and yet is on a longer cd lol.

Honestly fighting vs a warrior is a joke now. I used to die a fair bit to warriors as they are sometimes so relentless and will burst you down. Now I can make mistakes and usually still beat them.

My necro has been severely nerfed with the HUGE nerf to my best skill – epidemic. Ranger seems down a peg or too now as well. This patch probably changed the meta more than any other which is something at least.

My list:
The best class
Ele – Still got that mobility and healing. The meta is less favourable to them now with so many engis running that build though. The best class and on spirit watch just brokenly good.
Very strong
Mesmer – the true king of burst now imo
Guardian – Very strong and dps guardian alot better compared to the other roamers than before the patch imo.
Strong
Engineer – strong now as everything else went down. Was already decent before the patch
Medium
Ranger – beast master less of a problem now with quickness nerf imo
Necro – best build nerfed alot but probably not as much as other classes
Thief – still can gank people at least so its ok if played well. Very high skill cap imo
Really needs help now
Warrior – Its still not awful but really does need help now. Before the patch 100b build was really good imo and saw top level play because it was decent. Now that build has been gutted

I been experimenting alot of what to replace epidemic with and I dont like any of the options so just go for signet of the locust. I think it is underrated to be honest. Mobility is so important.

Be good if the devs dont post in this topic this time as last time it ruined the results by getting loads of pve ers who follow on dev tracker to fill out the forum.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Guardian: DPS-guard has a pretty viable build actually and a decent burst. Played by us and Crs.

I often play in teams with a dps guard and it isnt that bad. Probably improved after the patch relative to other options tbh

Noctis Assassin.4035:

ah i see it, nvm

4 months to fix a bug which lets people res themselves is very impressive. lol

5 ele’s vs 5 eles = perfect balance.

Torqky.3682:

Epidimic needs an increased cd with reduced cast time. 1 sec Cast animation that can be dodged, LOS, or blocked… Take into account that conditions are often cleansed in the time it takes to apply conditions on a target and get the skill off in high level play. Its a rough nerf to necros for sure.

Yeh I would be happy with a 20 s cd but 1/4 cast time or something.

TheBeedon.6031:

There is nothing wrong with this epidemic change…it works how it should have in the beginning, IMO. Now you have to pay attention, OH NO!

It isnt really the same though. Whether it is “fixed” or not is beside the point. I see no reason to ever use it now. The chances of landing it are way too long. With these changes it needs an instant cast time imo.

It can now be blocked.
It can now be dodged
You have to be in LOS

The skill is now useless due to the high cast time and the speed people cure condis.

I personally don’t really think a warrior is going to help much with these changes. I wouldnt want a thief either. I would prefer 1 far point bunker ele. 2 ele roamers. 1 bunker guardian and 1 BM ranger.

Minion of Vey.4398:

I don’t think you have anything to worry about with arc lightning. It does like no damage.

It is still an improvement. There are still no nerfs. And they nerfed the hasted thief which is one of the few ways to punish an elementalist from over extending.

The elementalist is in an exceptional position right now. It is more powerful than it has ever been.