Be real right now im bieng serious everyone in this forum can agree thats no where near enough lmao compared to other classes mes is the only one with the limited swiftness i dnt see how focus 4 would get perma with only like 10 to 14s if u trait it x.x
Rune of centaur gives 10 seconds of swiftness on heal.
Use mirror. 10 seconds of swiftness every 15 seconds.
Just make sure you use it after the focus swift since it doesn’t seem to stack the other way.
so basically i have to change my runes with my current build that takes other runes just to get more swiftness and make me weaker.. yea.. no. anet needs to make another skill that gives swiftness instead of 1. for god sakes ranger is getting buffed on thier signet its getting raised to 25% instead of 10% seriously? lol. sure
One thing that has kept me from fully lvling my mesmer is the lack of swiftness. i started lvling again but still i need more swiftness lol i feel like ima die without it
focus 4 + blink not enough?
Runes of centaur help with the above for perma swiftness if you are lvl 60 + and have an efficient means of keeping them while upgrading your equip.
Be real right now im bieng serious everyone in this forum can agree thats no where near enough lmao compared to other classes mes is the only one with the limited swiftness i dnt see how focus 4 would get perma with only like 10 to 14s if u trait it x.x
One thing that has kept me from fully lvling my mesmer is the lack of swiftness. i started lvling again but still i need more swiftness lol i feel like ima die without it
I cant believe seriously this much people would consider ele OP im sorry but its verry far from it and none of u are stopping to think that maybe it could be that certain player? ive went up against countless eles with the same build as mine and i beat them so easily it was sad. take a look at some of the ele vids in these forums thats a single person who knows how to use ele because they have been practicing for months and still using that same class that goes with saying for every class.
I admit some classes have it easier in some areas of the game they excell more at certain things but the only classes i ever really have a problem with are warriors and thiefs.
We all know on thief if u go glass cannon u can sit thier and auto attack people to death fairly easily without even using any skills at all thats how sad that is. and we all know the little combo that warriors do aswell Once in a blue moon i will meet a warrior not using GS.. Go take a look at those classes and come talk in terms of Raw damage even necro and mesmer can more than likely put out way more damage than we could.
Ele is far from OP im sorry ive read this post time and time again and now people are attacking our auras lol?? that last like wat 4 to 5 seconds come on thats farrrrr from OP people once they go down continue to try and kill us only players who are not thinking logically attack us while our auras is up and we all know it.
Thank you for your opinion. I focused only on spvp, because it’s the right forum for it ( I also agree that elementalists in wvwvw are way too op, but thats another topic ). ArenaNET is known for making this small changes, which is good and I don’t expect anything different than that. There was also a skype conversation between guy responsible for spvp in gw2 and professional players who gave feedback about ele’s downstate and I think that it will get nerfed next patch. I can only suggest that maybe allowing eles to use that mist form after like 6s would be a good move. As for the rest I think that I can’t add anything more that was mentioned above.
I Strongly Highly doubt they will nerf vapor form like really Strongly doubt they will because as any ele that has put more than 200+ hours will tell u that its our only even remotely down skill we use and its the only down skill that is good. even none eles will tell u that just because 2 or 3 people complain for it doesnt mean it will get nerfed.
But if they do nerf that give us better downed skills im sorry u gotta do something major to compensate for that.
And as for D/D ele being OP not really. cuz the most i was able to even take on was like 4 players and 1 was a thief spamming heartseeker so we all know that didnt last long. I agree that the ele bunker build they got going now is indeed verry strong but come on its like the build we was forced to go in really to even be remotely decent or to survive long enough because most traits are eithier not working at all or semi working…
So ive faced many D/D eles over these past few weeks Making my necro been in spvp with it for a while now and i got to say Well bombing necro is rediculous damage take a look at that OP if u build it right lol.
Sigil of Battle gives you between 3 and 9 might boons, which exceeds the +5% damage that Sigil of Force gives. I’d recommend using it instead.
the only reason why i dont use battle is because the whole purpose of this build is for staff marks and well damage thats pretty much it the only time i switch to dagger/warhorn is for the swiftness buff interupt and if an enemy tries to run away from me but in all ur goona be in the back of the pack bombing the crap out the other team pretty much lol but yea if u like close combat i would choose battle aswell definitly Must have on ur utility belt also is Blood is Power for the 10 might stacks to get it started ^^
Ele is not for everyone tbh some people may like it some people dont i myself found it the easiest class to pve and pvp with cuz u rarely ever die. and u can pretty much 3v1 easily. but if u want to try necro try a well bombing build thats what im actually using now since ima start lvling up my necro since i got my ele to 80 finally lol
for the build try 30/20/20/0/0 its pretty good imo and i have no problem with taking out multiple peeps with it aswell in ur armor put 6x scholar runes and for ur sigils on ur staff put superior sigil of force and for ur secondary weapons will be dagger/warhorn put bloodlust on one and superior sigil of fire on the other this build has been excellent so far
P.S make sure u get a knights amulet put zerker jewl in it ^^
hmm yea thats what i basically made except for elixer R i use elixer B idk why it just seems better to me and the toss on elixer R is verry long cooldown x.x lol
thats a kind of build im looking for the tankcat build was okay but in spvp im feeling more and more like its Zerg city so im constantly up against 5 players all the time and that tankcat build is not getting me kills to lower that number. if i wanted to go against zergs i would WvW x.x
you can get egar with wvw stats (power/vit/tough) from doing any of these dungones: Ascelonian Catacombes, Sorrow’s Embrace, Honour of the Waves. AC probably being the easiest. Jewelery can be crafted your choice of stats (this will take a fair few ectos)It’s not hard to “gear up” for wvw.
Get yourself a rare back item from the TP (spineguard of..) for a mere 15s or so.
uhhh i looked in those dungeon gears and i didnt see any PVT armors at all just the weapons.. thats why i just got clerics instead untill i get enough badges for the WvW set. but meh clerics is actually working out pretty good
just go full Strong sets till 80 thats power and precision and get vigor accessorys thats Power and vit trust me i did this and made it to 80 with no problem and go 0/10/0/30/30 u can pretty much solo champs with this and probably 3 vettys if you know how to dodge anyway just keep on ur toes and dont stop moving lol
looking for a good build for spvp that kicks kitten but still has some survivability if anyone knows one can ya help me out a bit and wat weapons and sigils and runes to use plz?
Wat Magdelene said we are probably the most versatile in pvp and WvW if u ever meet a Good D/D ele then ull understand tbh when im in spvp i use the build 0/10/0/30/30 yea i know its a bunker build but i also use 6x dolyaks and a zerker amulet your going to say well arnt u goona get killed alot? i Rarely ever.. die but just choose ur battles wisely fighting 5v1 with a zerker amulet on yea not the best idea but u can easily take on 3v1 without a problem Just watch your surroundings and watch out for backstab thiefs and HB warriors and ur pretty much fine.
D/D ele isnt that complicated as it seems it took me about 100 games to fully not master it but get good enough to stop dieying and bring on the hurt to my enemies and after a month later this is like the best class ive ever seen im glad i got it to 80 cuz im having the time of my life right now lol.
The only conjure i actually use is frost bow i like the #4 skill just incase the enemy is trying to res his teammate u can just use that over them and kill them both it does pretty high damage i was surprised and i have never stopped using it since :P lol
im not going to argue im just making an input in the post i have the timer on and it counts down from 60. been playing for like ever i know wat im doing.
0/10/0/30/30 PVT weapons and armors if u like and have fun.. i rarely ever die in any aspecs of the game unless im being attacked by atleast 15 mobs or 5 players. other than that im doing just fine.
no im bieng serious if i could take a screenie i would and i only PVE on my ele its on 60s after i switch my traits to cantrip mastery thats when im going D/D
or just make conjures like engis kits… cuz we all know that we only use those conjures for 1 or 2 skills then we need to drop it cuz its on cooldown ..
anytime i join a match and ive tried with difference characters the color of ur team say if ur blue team wont show up on ur character at all i can see my dye colors now instead of my team color has anyone had this problem?
yea he said lightning hammer not the others if he does have the others then maybe u wont need but still useful to have the extra charges if ur goona go that path
U can pretty much solo a big group of mobs with the hammer of the aoe blind by the time u go through the cycle it will blind again :P
u guys are still forgetting that in order to make the conjure even remotely useful u gotta put points into fire traits for the added 10 more charges sadly..
over the past month i went from feeling under powered to some what balanced to the other classes.
So, for a class that takes a month to learn, the pay-off is that you’re “some what balanced to the other classes”? Wouldn’t you expect the Ele to be at least “marginally more effective”?
Simply, no. The pay-off imo is the fun of playing. If the class was hands down more powerful than other classes, even marginally, that would be an unfair advantage. MMOs, and GW2 is no exception, are designed NOT to give advantages to one profession over another, so that ALL players can compete on an equal footing with the classes they like to play.
Your view is not unusual by any means. Many players have posted it the forums that they feel there should be a payoff for the extra work. In other words, more work should equal more pay.
meh imo honestly i think ele is the most versatile class thier is in this game right now and if u spec right it really is kind of unstoppable unless ur against like 5 players then u might have a problem but other than that i have yet to have any problems in pve or pvp once i finally got used to it and learned the combos i feel verry powerful indeed compared to other classes.
Waste that money if ur not gathering urself waste that money man. its easy to lvl to 80 really if u need help ask the community on places where events happen one after the other just hit 60 little while ago in bloodtide coast love that place <3 lvled me from 45 easily to 60 :P and still lvling thier !
OP, if you are talking about PvE, yes you are going to be extremely squishy at the very beginning.
Trust me though, that changes once you get a little bit higher level and can start crafting armors that involve Vit, Toughness, and healing power along with your offensive stats.
In late game / PvP, Ele’s are one of the toughest professions to take down. Give it some time, and practice your skills. Ele’s are also not like some other professions where you can be almost brain dead and survive. You’ll need to practice hard for a while. Once your skills improve, and suddenly it all clicks you’ll feel like this:
i Just laughed so hard at this post i had to comment i honestly feel like neo in pvp and pve xD eles survivability is insane if u spec right and practice at it lol im always the last one standing in dungeons saying " You guys dead already?) lmao xD
have any of u thought to think even if they made it so u couldnt go into portals with mist or vapor form.
U can still stack on the portal with it and when it ends u get teleported inside anyways Lol. Come on ppl eithier way its not goona happen end the post already lmao ive seen players in downed state get knocked back inside a portal from a guardians hammer come on >.>
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go ahead and nerf mistform and when other stuff gets nerfed aswell dnt come QQ on the forums like ur doing now lmao. GL AND HF.! (ill be waiting to say i told u so )
Every one of the methods you mention of getting into a keep involves using CDs to “escape” the zerg into the keep. And they also require that you do not do something stupid and get downed. That is fine. That is basically intended.
Here is the problem with the Ele downstate…it requires no CDs, it requires no skill to use. Literally, all you do is, go out, wreak some havoc, and get downed. And you can repeat this ad infinitum.
All they have to do is make it so you can’t enter a portal in vapor form…that’s it, fixed.
As it is now it DOES have a CD. Each use gives downed penalty, after 3 uses you are insta-killed. Each point of this penalty is removed after 60seconds so in a sense it does have a CD
^^ it has a CD and its on 8 sec timer yes the mists last 3s so its actually 5. even if/
if u use it 3 times ur done in so it really doesnt matter its still the only downed skill that is worth using.
First of all they need to fix the bugs with the skill, that’s a lot more important (and of all the other ele skills that need some serious bug fixing). I’m talking about the fact that you get more and more downed penalty each time Vapor Form ends which is really annoying on so many situations
Also, unkillable Eles? What about a Guardian poping Renewing Vigor while running to a keep, then using Retreat, Save Yourselves, Aegis, you know all his buffs and enters the keep without a worry in the world.
What about thieves who can stealth inside?
Maybe next they should “nerf” Ride the Lightning too because it allows an Ele to “charge” to a door and get inside? Or Mist Form which is so similar to Vapor Form?
I don’t see a real issue here. If anything there are far more game-breaking skills in WvW than Vapor Form (I’m looking at you Portal)
Every one of the methods you mention of getting into a keep involves using CDs to “escape” the zerg into the keep. And they also require that you do not do something stupid and get downed. That is fine. That is basically intended.
Here is the problem with the Ele downstate…it requires no CDs, it requires no skill to use. Literally, all you do is, go out, wreak some havoc, and get downed. And you can repeat this ad infinitum.
All they have to do is make it so you can’t enter a portal in vapor form…that’s it, fixed.
it requires no CDs its on a cooldown sir. next time u need to go look at the skill QQ all u like the nerf isnt happening cuz ur literally the only person who is complaining on these forums right now about it. Every class has its escape mechanics even some that are CHEAP to use. Next time i suggest u try every class and ull see wat im talking about.
IF anything its the only downed state skill that we have thats even worth using ..
they have been able to do this just because ur in mist form doesnt mean ur not allowed to use the portal ive done this without even bieng downed Dont QQ about 1 little skill it was essentially intended.
i think Loic point is we really need some DEV feedback here its been kinda empty on these forums lately and that goes for alot of the class forums i think he is trying to ask anet are they even planning on fixing these certain bugs in a big patch or will we be kept in the dark constantly untill last notice.
We as a community need something to go off of or we all just freak out and just quit the class we are trying to bare with untill it is better. He is basically trying to say give us some HOPE that things will actually begin to change for elementalist cuz i too feel like sometimes we are forced to go into a certain build or into a certain weapon set to even be effective at certain aspecs of the game.
Well I must be the only player in the entire game who is happy with their Ele. Sure it would be nice to have some things fixed, but I don’t think the profession is anywhere near as broken as the entire community makes it out to be and it frustrates the crap out of me.
Never said it was broken in any way shape or form I love the hell out of my ele aswell and never give it up wat i mean is thier are some things that need sum serious improvement and fixing I agree alot of people complain we are to squishy so on and so on thats really not the case its just everytime we look forward to updates happening instead we get nerfs and no bug fixes at all.
i think Loic point is we really need some DEV feedback here its been kinda empty on these forums lately and that goes for alot of the class forums i think he is trying to ask anet are they even planning on fixing these certain bugs in a big patch or will we be kept in the dark constantly untill last notice.
We as a community need something to go off of or we all just freak out and just quit the class we are trying to bare with untill it is better. He is basically trying to say give us some HOPE that things will actually begin to change for elementalist cuz i too feel like sometimes we are forced to go into a certain build or into a certain weapon set to even be effective at certain aspecs of the game.
lol just like all angry players when they die btw rank in spvp isnt that great the more u play spvp the higher ur rank apparently just depends on how much u actually play it. my rank is 17 and i still beat ppl way higher than me. so not the matter of rank but skill and how u play ur character.
if u really want to try again 0/10/0/30/30 bunker build and try it with zerker accessorys trust me ive done this i kno u loose alottttt of armor but that critical bonous and damage makes up for it ive killed people with the simple rotation that we have and then some. If ur good on ur dodges pick ur fights wisely cuz u can survive 2v1 but 3v1 yea not an option especially if one of them is a guardian or warrior.
meh imo i really dnt think thiefs are OP if anything they are kind of forced to eithier play full glass cannon or full condition ive really have yet to see a full hybrid of the sort lol and i do have a thief its low lvled 69 but still i spvp with it often but glass cannon thief meets a bunker ele thier pretty much done for unless that certain bunker ele has no idea wat he is doing x.x
So in all honestly i think of the 2 kind of the same we are forced to go into a certain build cuz eithier or some traits just dnt add up with the build ur trying to make or they are fairly underpowered. so u basically gotta go with the build that has the best results. THATS just my 2 CENTS xD
i have a problem when i log in the games comes up and to the character selection i pick the character and click play ok so when its loading i get sum error that the game cant connect to the log in file it says im trying to figure out why this is happening constantly now my game has been fine ever since i got it and ever since that last patch its been messing up like this if anyone can help ill appreciate it been trying to play for a while now and just cant because of this.
just wish they would actually make conjures into kits something like the engi has cuz honestly that little 60 seconds is nothing!!! and lower the CD on attunement swapping to atleast like 12 cuz eithier or we are still forced to put 15 points into arcana oh and FIX the air speed traits for the love of god.. x.x i like to explore alot and sure i use my swiftness but i would like to see sum of our traits actually work >.>. AND last but not least give us out of combat weapon swap lmao idk how many people suggested this but yea. come on im tired of opening my bag everytime i wanna switch back and forth between staff and D/D
little does anyone know those speed boost traits we have dnt even work last time i checked so >.> completely kitten pointless >.>
The only time i can really GET AWAY is RTL then burning speed right after thats just about all i can do if thier still chasing me switch to water for frost aura IF THEY STILL CHASING and its like 5 of them yea im done for and hope that they give up pursuit. cuz i gotta wait for RTL to come off cooldown >.>
bro i think we got another nerf comming LOL but anyway yea thats funny as hell but i dont think they get that if we actually go full glass cannon we sacrifice so much just to pull off 1 solid kill just way to much of a risk while a thief has barely any risk of getting killed but pulls off his kill with ease thats why most eles now just go the regular bunker build
But i run still same old same old 0/10/0/30/30 build D/D set up bloodlust main hand battle offhand and instead of celestial or soldiers amulet i run with zerker amulet yes i sacrifice alot of toughness for it but honestly kinda worth it cuz u critical fairly often and i can do a little close to the damage he does in the vid with RTL+updraft burning speed combo throw in ring of fire then use arcane wave and usually after that thier pretty much done for lol
alright and yea mostly for pve but i do WvW aswell so umm ill check and see if they have lvl 60 cleric stuff idk the only thing i saw was travelers zerker and carrion so ill check
soon i will hit 60 in about 2 days just wondering wat set of weapons should i go for now that they have changed.
I run with a D/D and Staff
Just wondering should i get carrion power+vit+condition damage
Or Zerker Power+precision+crit damage
Just wondering wat would be better to get money is of no object just want some opinions
Oh and im going 0/10/0/30/30 just incase anyone asks that aswell
still eithier or that cooldown on attunements needs to be lowered just a tad bit because if u choose to put 0 in arcana which is not really recommended u have that 15second cooldown on attunement swapping aswell as ur official skill cooldowns so ur pretty much forced to put atleast 15 points into arcana anyway its like u have no choice in the matter. ive tried it at 0 arcana and trust me that crap was not fun in anyway shape or form x.x
the cooldown for attunement swaps without any points in arcana is about 15s yes u probably just dont notice it cuz u dnt switch attunements often as for ele doing bad damage are u smoking? we can bring on the pain just like any other class and dnt even compare us to no HB warrior come on man that crap is the easiest skill to dodge ever. we have so many ways to negate its hits and get out of it.. i admit some classes got it easy they can press 1 or 2 buttons and bam they hit over 10k but imo we are the most versatile class in this game right now. U actually need to practice with this class to get good not go stright into battle press a few buttons and WIN ….×.x
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