Imo, Staff Eles that use the auto-attacks usually aren’t that good. Unless, of course, you’re a glasscannon ele that’s spamming Fire 1. I rarely use my autos otherwise.
Just because some 1 attacks auto doesnt mean thier bad im a staff ele aswell and i auto alot against bosses tbh unless my team needs sum heals other than that im staying in fire attunement just for that damage
earth is just plain weak on a side note it applies weakness
water is meh water is water lmao does little damage but provides a decent heal with each hit to ur group
air is ok but i dont normally use it unless it gets mobby and for the swiftness thats about it really.
I understand alot of ppl like to cycle thro attunements but i dnt see the point really if ur just focusing on one monster really thats just my 2 cents.
and i still have no problem with backstab thiefs honestly guys come on i run bunker on my ele and i do just fine i have yet to even get killed by a thief x.x if u run with ur sound off on ur game forget it turn it back on.
Dont forget asoon as u hear anything like slashing. use ur mist form and get the hell out of thier. its simple and has worked every single time.
keep up with ur gears dodge dodge dodge kite kite kite use D/D and staff alot more movement and combos imo. try and get a sigil of bloodlust aswell when its all charged up u get a nice little boost in damage so u can take out mobs alot quicker and if ur near in skill points get conjure lightning hammer for 6 skill points its real nice auto attack provides a aoe blind and by the time mobs hit u again they will be blinded yet again its how im lvling up as we speak lol
i use the same build and set up dapheonix has and i got to say it works perfectly i admit it took me literally 8 hours to get the combos right and adjust to the attunement swapping with the build but now this build feels like ur literally unkillable
And as for doing damage i do damage just fine and able to take down enemies fairly quick my fights literally dnt last long at all i would say 8 to 12 seconds and i end up on the Win 90% of the time the other 10% is when i get zerged down thats not always fun…
I play both ele and thief and i got to say out of all ele is just better period and u have verry low. health for such a build ive seen bunker eles having way more than ur 15k hp thats pretty low compared to 19k and 20k.
And now for the thief i admit i had my fun literally killing people in seconds they sit thier like a dumb rock honestly and dnt move till thier dead. Mug+steal basilisk vemom WIN and i would stack a little more vit if i was u on that ele. Just remember if u hear anything that sounds like slashing on u hit mist form ASAP> always and i use divinity runes meh i think thier just better for the extra stats.
OH and to say about bursting yes thief is burst burst burst ur goona have to deal with that mostly all thier traits boost the damage of daggers critical damage and critical chance from sides and hitting u from behind aswell. and damage period from side or behind aswell as when u get below 50% health i think i saw that correctly they get a pretty decent damage boost.
i use the standard D/D and staff going 0/10/0/30/30 and i kno ppl tell me all the time save ur cash im fine thats what my main is for farming x.x lol and the sets dnt cost that much so im fine for now
Im one person that doesnt like his characters undergeared i will keep up with the gears as i lvl its not much of a problem
just wanna ask a small question for lvl 35 rare set (Dont worry i have plentyyy of gold so dnt tell me save ur cash lol)
anyway umm just wanted to know which set would be better in terms of lvling up dispatching the enemy quickly eithier the Strong Set(Power+Prec) or the Vigorous Set(Power+vit)
Just wanted to ask because in terms each time u lvl up if ur not putting any trait points into air u really go down in critical chance as ive seen with many of my other characters aswell the chance to crit always going down more and more but just wanted to know which set would be better in the long run till i hit 3 Stats on gears.
u can pretty much die with any class if ur not used to it tbh. i play an ele and been playing for a WHILE now ive gotten used to quick attunement swapping thinking on the fly trust me once u get used to it ull RARELY ever die. Just practice makes perfect and that goes for any classes and thier different weapon sets.
just a few guilds wasnt so good is all and a few individuals i rather not see anymore but looking like im not moving anywhere lol TC stays full its been like this for a while now ill just keep checking till then
this is why i am all for eles having weapon switching honestly like i cant STAND when that happens and im stuck with that weapon set and u may or may not win with it aswell most players say OH ELE WILL BE OP more OP than any other class yea.. noo i really dont think we will at all tbh. still the same skills just switching out the only thing i could think of that would be OP is the staff water healing aswell as the D/D heals then yea. ull pretty much stay full health for a while.
does anyone know when u can like switch worlds im currently in Fort Aspenwood but been having some problems in thier dnt like Drama. i Wanna switch over to Tarnished Coast i heared they have some nice friendly guilds over thier just tryna find a home But its been full for like. Decades. i just wanna know when it wont be full.
Thieves are pretty fun, but they are not as easy for leveling as most other classes. They have one glaring flaw of not having enough weapon sets and having several weak skills within the sets they do have.
Thats pretty much why u go glass cannon so u wont have a problem killing monsters off easily before they kill u at 35 u get a rare set eithier Vigorous(Power+vit) or Strong set(Power+Precision) i myself like the strong set because u can just BAM C&D backstab=dead mob. easy as pie. if traited right still when i hit 70 then i branched off into bieng condition build cuz u have literally most of ur traits by then to start it off. I had literally no problems wat so ever lvling.
HOW is this build OP. lol. i admit honestly if u play it right (which ive been practicing) u rarely ever….. die. i think this is wat the build brings is like ultimate survivability. and u can bring on some added pain aswell to ur enemies and i love it lol.
hey Do u have any pve ele vids i really like to see the other side of the boat here i kno its amazing in pvp but like engame wise in pve i wanna see that action too aswell and it well help me decide to actually lvl it up
see i wanna try and lvl might ele it might be better than thief at this point but i just gotta see the other side of the boat here as in PVE need more to go off of but yet no one ever makes vids of them in PVE like ever… lol
MEHHHHH ive seen a good burst build for necro on this forums somewhere thier was a vid with it aswell he was like a dagger gank thief lmao. it was pretty funny how he bursted down people at the same speed…
yea just about but a few traits i use different tho i can take about 7 or 10 mobs at a time i run with caltrops/roll for initiative and aswell signet of shadows. Tho signet of malice i still never use i rather use hide in shadows meh thats just me.
20k backstab ? ive never seen that like ever even on a glass cannon come on ur exaggerating just a little bit here atleast show proof that u actually hit that amount then ill shut my mouth ive been seeying players come on here all the time claiming they hit 15k and 20k backstabs but never show proof..
the only time i ever use it is when im getting swarmed by like literally 5 guys. Still if i had to get away im now not using that skill too i literally almost have every 1 of my stealths up just incase i get swarmed again plus C&D mobs on the way lol.
glass cannon man till 60 . honestly most people say its hard to survive its really. not they try and play a thief like a warrior or guardian and its not xD u need keep on ur feet move around dodge kite its really simple.
I personally wouldnt start going condition build till atleast 60. thats just IMHO that early at lvl 30 to be going hard into condition damage is pointless ull just kill things slower cuz ur conditions really dnt get good till later LATER lvls.
yea i too find that even if u get knocked back out of shadow refuge u get revealed i find that kind of really stupid seeying as u already have the stealth buff on u say it charged up to atleast 6s? then u get knocked out of shadow refuge bam revealed totally gets me killed alot of times…
if u want to go condition build which is great go D/D 0/0/20/20/30 thats what i run pretty much full carrion gears. just death blossom over mobs sit thier get some popcorn and watch them bleed to death.
or just use a shortbow. thats pretty much wat i do shatter thier illusions and hits them aswell. auto attack constantly. may throw down a cluster bomb or 2. lol. thier not that hard unless ur facing a PRO mesmer.
i got one comment for that vid. did those warriors even know wat they were doing lol.. all they did was swing thier sword about constantly. … lol but in all that was a funny vid grtz :P
@Sinned
Wats the actually lvl of ur thief ? 20? or 10? ima say this run D/D and shortbow till u hit 46. then buy a pair of pistols thats IMHO when unload gets good damage. ive tested it ive done more damage lvling with D/D than P/P in a short amount of time even if u can spam unload its still not up thier in damage as u would get with D/D. So when u hit that lvl yes u can switch out D/D if u want.
P.S. (buy the rare ones thier fairly cheap for 46.)
Babel actually has a valid case and point here idk countless times ive ran with a group that will literally move the mob out of my aoe or. point here (run out my shadow refuge when i put it down to heal u=then u die cuz u dnt want heals >.>) this is exactly why i stopped running with randoms. GUILD and GUILD only. eithier or ill solo most of my pve action. (guardians are the pullers.) js. lol
thief is great just because u read some of these posts dont believe it yes we have our problems and yes some things need to be changed but we are just as effective at pve as to other classes.
Yes other classes are better at pve than us but some builds we have can simply faceroll pve as if it were a simple joke. So IMHO make one im sure ull love it
as to some of ur question ive tried ranger and i gotta say its pretty solid class even in pvp aswell but i found it pretty stright foward. like click and shoot click and shoot i mean thats just not me im sorry i know thier are other weapon sets u can use but meh i gave up after 60. As to comparing thief in WvW and spvp much more fun thats just me make a thief try it out u may or may not like it it never was for everyone welp GL and HF
OH and almost forgot most importantly if ur honestly a new player as to some are who just hit 80 then come here and complain we are bad at pve this and that lemme give u some advice.
if ur having an honest hard time engame wise try and practice on mobs to see wat u can take or not pull one mob ok u know he is easy fine u got that piece of cake. then pull 2 mobs at a time so on and so forth practice makes perfect. trust me it helped me loads.
but even if u go condition build in dungeons its still kinda iffy because wat if thier are other classes with the same build as u stacking the same conditions it becomes less effective. thats why i usually go more towards offense so i can actually help with that dps. its not that we are bad at it most thiefs tend to be on the floor in dungeons simple because u really need to learn how to dodge use skills that give u evades use ur stealths
even shadow refuge if u see ur team having a hard time a couple of players on the floor pop that shadow refuge over them to give them a break and heal them up and get back to action thats pretty much our best utility imo.
U can go any build u have and still be effective it depends on how u play that build to make it effective for u and ur team be it a glass cannon (which i am) or condition thief (which i play for WvW).
yea remember when warriors and guardians immobilize u aswell as other classes who have that skill quickly switch out to shortbow and infiltrators arrow away it works while ur immobilized that has actually saved my tail countless upon countless times it even saved me aswell this morning when i was in spvp we are getting more warriors now…. x.x lol
i run just about the same build to that except the traits u picked in certain areas are kind of condition traits. unless ur running condition gears ur damage in that area will be kinda low i suggest u trade it out for something else
And yea im the same as u are i rarely ever die even when running glass cannon its all about how to dodge when to dodge when to use ur death blossom when not to. How to use ur shortbow and u have a dodge skill on that aswell the #3 skill so :P it all works out fine just run with wat u wanna run with.
i disagree with that statement burst thief isnt the worse to play actually and most of the time thats what i play when im doing sieges to actually get in thier and do damage and pull people off the wall with scorpions wire now that its 1,2k range. but yea ima be honest i can survive alot most people would be like WTF how u surviving with only 14k HP?? its not hard. dodge death blossom do wat u gotta do to avoid those hits if things get bad and u get chased by like 5 players hey pull out that shortbow and infiltrators arrow away. simple wait till thier gone and go right back in for sum more action.
That may seem like oh thats a noob way to fight people but hey it works thats how i get my kills w.e :P and easy aswell to do pve. kill things quickly no problems. but in terms of roaming in WvW condition build yes is far more superior cuz u can take on multiple enemies at a time ^^
yea u can eithier S/P great for pve or u can go condition build aswell most players ull see in pvp will pick thief because simply u can destroy ur enemy in seconds if they honestly dont know wat thier doing. but u dont always have to go this path always can go condition and watch ur enemy just whittle away with stacks upon stacks of bleeds :P
Just asking just wanna see the other side of the boat here all i ever see now adays is WvW vids since its not much effective till lvl 80 anyone have any ele pve vids like of farming cursed shores anything around those lines?
@Reikken
+1 yes alot of groups now a days are looking for thiefs this is just wat i see now because thiefs are good in doing damage aswell as giving the team a break with shadow refuge is a biggie thier.
I really cant remember the numbers of players ive saved with that one simple skill.
And aswell alot of my guild members are thiefs aswell and they are doing just fine in pve even with the nerfs so. i guess it all depends on wat build ur running.
has anyone tried to pull some 1 off thier keep with scorpions wire yet xDDD???
and dont listen to people if u roll a warrior ull regret it its dull nothing but pushing 2 or 3 buttons to succeed in anything. if anything i would go guardian much more fun in terms of pve. and pvp.
i’m just wonderin’ in this so called “patch” every class was a little tweaked a little.
we got castrated for unknown reason.
lets look closer for other classes core mechanic :
warrior – adrenaline ,works fine warriors can fight without it
guardian – virtues works , also can fight without them
thief – initiative , steals , hide a little buggy but works
ranger – pet is useless addition in wvw to 5th skill barrage (lol) & it works too fine in pve and even without a pet ranger can fight
engineer – bugged but works
elemental – constant patches with comments “now works as intended instead of overpowered before” & btw core mechanic works fine
necro – death shorud works . btw can live fine without it
and finally “The Great And Powerful We!” : core mechanic – illusions . traits that works dont stack & goes buggy -> useless. half utils are bugged . skils on every weapons have summons illusions -> so i can say they at least ineffective . we dont have choice and make a build without illusions .
so 3 month have passed since release + no bugs fixed and core mechanic is broken to hell + nerfs to “patch” …
so conclusion of my post : MAYBE BEFORE NERFING U NEED TO FIX US AT LEAST?
P.S. hello “bug fix” team . mesmers sends u purple rays of hate
Comming from a thief myself hide is fixed now so u can totally see us when we backstab u xD yes i said backstab because anet has pushed us in eithier a condition build or backstab build since they nerfed S/D into the ground. and shortbow got hit hard aswell as dancing dagger got hit even harder. trust me u guys arnt the only ones who are pissed off at this patch but i feel for u when i run with my mesmer friend joe iZerker was my absolute buddy xD but now he is thinking about rolling a thief or a warrior lol.
How the hell is shortbow #3 blatantly OP? It does like autoattack damage and the cripple lasts an instant. It’s an escape tool, nothing more.
It alone makes glass cannon thieves survivable (instant evade) and nigh uncatchable giving them as close to a free chance to pew away before spiking as possible.
For roamers that is godsend.
so ur basically saying glass cannon thiefs should instantly die with no survivability? hmm verry selfish thier while mesmers can pretty much be the same way uncatchable. and half of them are glass cannons too so that means ur saying they should instantly die aswell !
and ima be honest with u thier i RARELY see S/D thiefs outside of pve. thats just wat i see. idk might be my server ? FortAspenwood but yea. most are eithier D/D or P/D for both WvW and spvp. thats why im not really worried about it to much at all.
And i nvr said it automatically mitigates anything if u have been ingame like i was for the past 3 hours. every single. thief. was glass cannon build now. its pretty rediculous so expect the QQ to begin tomorrow ^^
go try pvp with ranger…or wvwvw. My thief actually is much more fun to play than is my shelved ranger.
Rangers are improving with every patch.
This single patch stomped on multiple thief builds, and worked towards shoehorning them all into either condition, or glass cannon backstab thieves.
they didnt get totally stomped on literally come on and aswell most people they are going full condition or full glass cannon anyway from the get go. honestly ive been on my thief for a while in WvW and spvp and i can hardly see a difference in damage. on the things that were. nerfed. its true that dancing dagger got hit hard. but if u go glass cannon spec. u still can hit pretty kitten high eithier way so u really dont notice it.
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. but yea ima be honest i can survive alot most people would be like WTF how u surviving with only 14k HP?? its not hard. dodge death blossom do wat u gotta do to avoid those hits if things get bad and u get chased by like 5 players hey pull out that shortbow and infiltrators arrow away. simple wait till thier gone and go right back in for sum more action.