Guild Wars 2

in your How to:thief you use special builds which only you can play.

And on some examples (with the net turret) you get a lot of damage and you have the luck that the thief does not switch to shortbow to finish you as you had <1k life.

So thief are always hard and they should be like this.

but Cleaning Formula 409 does not help you if you have burning, 10 stacks of bleeding and weakness for example, because the auto Elixir S remove weakness

I do not use Elixir S anymore. It is now really weak as a stunbreaker. Ok it still removes a condtion if 409 is selected. But if feels like waiting 3sec until death. I moved to Elixir R.

Thank you for sharing this. Was very nice to watch high skilled games with his comment.

looks very nice.

Can’t wait. Want patch now

My wife likes GW2 and hates pvp :/

Jax.5261:

You can’t name players by name in this forum.

Why not ? Kill him with fire

good idea. But lets start at rank 2. If they leave a tpvp match or do not enter the game or are afk for the majority of the time. Remove 1 rank.

Archaon.6245:

Super cheese nomore? Time to l2p like every other class if they want to stay alive…finally eles won’t run away and heal up no matter how bad they are after this. You failed? You die like everyone else. Welcome to (almost) balanced pvp.

It is hard for the king if he is treated like everyone else.

why should be the ranger the weakest class?

This is a glass cannon build. Every class can create videos like this. The video is nice but if you want to nerf something based on this video then please watch the Necro, mesmer, ele or thief videos where they kill up to 10 people in a row. or win 1 vs 4 or something like this. WvW videos should not be a reason for a nerf.

I played some matches against engineers with this build. This build is weak in spvp because the lack of condition removal makes it weak. If you get focused you are dead in seconds and all teams fokus the engineer first or as second.

You had a close battle. This proofs that the match making is really working.

Imagine you would fight against lower skilled player with lower rank. The fight would end 500:146. No fun for both sides.

like Ostricheggs told in the HGH guide the Elixir S and Incendiary explosives are our strongest skills. Now they are nerfed and I guess HGH will be much harder to play.

Using Turrets means no weapon sweap and no condtion remove. :/

We need a black list for tourneys. You can see on the PvP overview who is in your team. And if the player does not join the tPvP match or quit after start. I like to set him on a black list.

Dirame.8521:

I don’t think 409 will be nerfed because it’s not like you can pop off 3 elixirs and tosses in a second (which the ele could do with their skills that were instant cast).

I’ve fought quite a few HGH engies with my build and they aren’t as immune to condis as Eles were before this nerf.

The problem is at the moment we have very limited possibilities to remove condtions.

409 gets a cooldown :/ Every skill of the engineer will have a cooldown I can’t see. It is like our random skills. Pressing the button and pray for the effect you are looking for.

I have a additional question to Ostrich.

You try different variations of the HGH build in your last stream. Carriot amulet for example. Do you think it is better? Now the buring damage does not tick 3 times with 40% condition duration. Do you think it is time to reduce the precision and go for more survivability? or just for more power?

Could you post a bunker build for engineer? I watched a lot of high skilled games and never saw a bunker engineer.

This game is without montly subscription. Paying once for a custom server is ok.

offline :/

15 chars

good news. Top 50 is fine for a beta.

lvis.3824:

Lupanic.6502:

Lux.7169:

Lupanic.6502:

But even if you have the best build and does not make a mistake it is possible that a thief takes you down. Even top players are dying in seconds from time to time if a thief catch them.

Actually no. In high-end tPvP it’s almost impossible for a thief to 1v1 any class (besides warrior).

Thief is literally one of the weakest classes in the high-end spectrum of the ladder and they’re even weaker 1v1.

Come on. Look at the stream from Ostricheggs or Teldo.

I only play Engineer so I watch only engineer streams. A quote from Teldo is: I am chasing the thief…ohhh… the thief is chasing me…. I am dead.

And on the spirit watch map was ostricheggs killed by a thief 3 times in ~2minutes. It was not a perfect 1on1. But the thief selected the perfect moment and killed ostrichegg.

It does not mean that the thief is winning 10 of 10 times. In a 1on1 situation it is important to have everything up to beat a good thief. I did not watch necro streams but I bet 10 duels between a top necro and a top thief will not end 10:0.

So what ?
Both of them running HGH in the past streams, which wrecks nearly any class out there.
They are offensive specced, and if they dont have Elixir S up they are supposed to eat the dmg of
a thief.

How often do they simply kill anyone ( including thiefs ) by just spamming nades ?

If you don’t have stunbreak up and chase a thief who gets back his big C/D its absolutly fair that you die.
You were just “outplayed”.

Teldos “default” build is also weak agains burst, but agains any type of burst , therefor he has very good
( perhaps the best ) CC abilities.

And he relies heavy on dodge, therefor running Elixir R instead of S , also does not have protection.
Its only fair that he dies if a full zerker thief get the jump.

Everything else would just be stupid !

I agree with you. I did not wrote something else. I just wrote: even if you do not make a mistake and you play a good build it is possible to be killed by a good thief. Nothing else.

mursie.3681:

Lupanic.6502:

But even if you have the best build and does not make a mistake it is possible that a thief takes you down. Even top players are dying in seconds from time to time if a thief catch them.

Lupanic – please tell me in current tpvp what role you believe the thief should be? Should they bunk a point? stealth does not allow you to cap so unfortunately their one true defensive ability actually promotes capping for the other team when fighting on a point.

do you think they should be team support with heals or boon sharing? That doesn’t exist.

What do you think the thief class should do? should they just be super mobile and roam to all the points to see the bunkers sitting on them. maybe wave and say hi? in tpvp there are no ninja caps. Teams don’t leave points undefended.

So what should a thief be brought for? They have this one ability.. it can only land once every four seconds from stealth… (assuming you could even auto reapply stealth after the 4 sec reveal)… and this ability hits four DOUBLE dmg. what are the devs telling us about this class? Are they foreshadowing its role?

You are telling me that a thief, if played correctly, can SOMETIMES burst a good player in seconds. hmm..

yeah that sounds about right. i’d almost venture… that is kind of their entire point.

Sorry if wrote something wrong. In my point of view the thief is perfect fine, sorry if this is not clear.

He is able to support this group with damage and this is what he is doing. He moves from spot to spot. He is deadly if he attacks opponents with low hp or with no cooldowns. If you catch him he has to escape or he dies.
In my point of view the thief is fine.

Lux.7169:

Lupanic.6502:

But even if you have the best build and does not make a mistake it is possible that a thief takes you down. Even top players are dying in seconds from time to time if a thief catch them.

Actually no. In high-end tPvP it’s almost impossible for a thief to 1v1 any class (besides warrior).

Thief is literally one of the weakest classes in the high-end spectrum of the ladder and they’re even weaker 1v1.

Come on. Look at the stream from Ostricheggs or Teldo.

I only play Engineer so I watch only engineer streams. A quote from Teldo is: I am chasing the thief…ohhh… the thief is chasing me…. I am dead.

And on the spirit watch map was ostricheggs killed by a thief 3 times in ~2minutes. It was not a perfect 1on1. But the thief selected the perfect moment and killed ostrichegg.

It does not mean that the thief is winning 10 of 10 times. In a 1on1 situation it is important to have everything up to beat a good thief. I did not watch necro streams but I bet 10 duels between a top necro and a top thief will not end 10:0.

But even if you have the best build and does not make a mistake it is possible that a thief takes you down. Even top players are dying in seconds from time to time if a thief catch them.

Frellin.6318:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_sigil_of_fire

cooldown is 5sec. So it does not proc twice in a 3sec fight.

Maybe you had a connection problem, lag or something. Maybe it looked for you like 3sec.

necro vs thief is not the best setup for the necro. Anyway maybe you should take some defensive skills. Or maybe ask in the necro forum for a rotation in general against thiefs.

I do not have so much experiance in tPvP as bunker skilled player. In your point of view. Does it make sense to try to play a bunker engineer in tPvP or is a guardian always better?

Leadfoot.9071:

This is the variation of Ostrich’s backpack generator build that I have played with lately:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqel0picX3ShF17IxIFdW0hUgfDL6h+tsjB;ToAgzCmouxcj4G7Nubk3MaY+B

It’s super tanky but puts out very little pressure.

Elixier Gun skill #5 does not remove a condition or something? I guess with this build in large fights it is hard do remove the condtions.

We have no easy access to aegis (we can only convert conditions to boons once every 40 sec (Elixier C)). We have no “I survive button” beside Elixier S.
In my point of view it is not possible that you see the damage number and the Engineer stay untouched.

As I say, we can block with the schield or gear schield. But this is blocking for some seconds nothing more. No magic. 3 people hitting us = we die.

Toolkit has a gear schield blocking damage. You can equip toolkit use the gear shield and switch back to your weapon and start shooting while still blocking.
Blocking for 3 sec. Maybe it was something like that.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gear_Shield

I play that game with my wife. If I want make her laugh I go for rocketboots and rifle.

Rifle #4, Rocketboots and she smile. Her comment is always: “Your skills are stupid”

She is right.

The problem is that only engineers are balanced every patch. Not ele, not mesmer, not ranger not thiefs (ok thiefs got a nerf last time)

What all engineers like me fear is not the balance, I guess we fear that they remove it like 100nades or other builds.

But we do not have to start a discussion. I am not good enough to discuss with you because I know that I have not the necessary overview about all classes to judge the Engineer correctly.

But what I know is that playing an engineer with a complete different build means being a free kill. And I do not want to start an tPvP game and my team has to suffer because of my class choice because no build left for us.

The most player guess that ele > mesmer, guard> engineer, ranger, necro, thief >> warrior. And the distance between tier 2 and 3 is not that big. If they remove HGH from our builds we should ask for engineer and warrior only tourney because without HGH we will be much weaker.

The thread for engineers has more views and more replies then the ele thread and the thief thread in sum. This thread has more replies then a thread with an answer from a developer. And this means the complete community talks about the engineer.

And I do not know why. Maybe because some top player confirmed that we are strong and even a little overpowered. Non of the top ele player confimed things like that (as far as I know)

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

A glass D/D Ele build ends up surviving more than my toughest Necro, cleanses all of it’s allies of conditions, does nonsensical burst/condition damage -AoE-, heals itself better than any Guardian I’ve ever seen, CCs better than my Necro or my Engineer even when I BUILD for it, can turn invincible to stomp and res at any time MULTIPLE times, has access to an endless supply of boons and cleanses, and has better mobility/escape power than a pure stealth thief.

Sure, and people need to ask why people think Ele D/D is OP.

funny cos true

hard to counter sword #3, #2 combo every 12sec

Mesmer has the king of all damage builds. Thief still can kill people in <2sec. At the ranger forum is a build presented killing golems faster then 100nades. Ele is still top and the complete community is only talking how to nerf engineer.

not very funny

kirito.4138:

Rozbuska.5263:

Well necros these days starts to be dangerous. Until now they was just freekills what annoy you with fear while you finish them. But last week I met some wierd confusion/bleeding necro what melt my p/t/v bunker in 3s. I dueled with him about 5 times with same results.

How does a necro apply confusion in a duel?

Necro has no access to confusion 0o

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusion

Yes but with an ele you can beat every opponent even as a causal player. If you play warrior you will eat dust all the time.

you read a build and a short guide, you create your very first ele and join hotjoin games. You will never be the last player at the scoretable. Maybe you do not rock in your first games, but you will not suffer hard. Same for thief.

And then go and create your very first warrior….

miriforst.1290:

Lupanic.6502:

The bad thing is that our top Engineers confirm that we are overpowered.
:(

I just think Ostricheggs want to be known as one of the hall of fame engineers who got the class nerfed, imagine having the badge “i spread the build that made bunker guardians and DD/SD eles cry for their mummies”.

Now that is an accomplishment to boast with!

And in some cases i sense either sarcasm or some serious Stockholm syndrome.

I guess Ostricheggs will stay in our hall of fame. He writes a lot of good stuff and his soul is an engineers soul. He fights for the engineer like a mum for her child, but if he thinks this build is overpowered…..well maybe it is.

From my point of view I am happy having a build I can play with. Without HGH I was just a free kill.

Playing this build as a causal player I make a mistake = I die.

Watching top players in 1on1s vs ele/guards/mesmer it takes hours until they win.
I remember a fight from ostricheggs against a guard for over 2min playing this build.

Watching top players against a thief/mesmer/ele/ranger and they make a mistake they die in sec.
It cannot be so overpowered.

The bad thing is that our top Engineers confirm that we are overpowered.
:(

Thank you for your answer.

Ostricheggs? I have a question (again).

watching you playing I see your role is to support your team with damage. You are focused on condition damage instead of direct damage. I guess with your build you are the king of all condtion damage but your direct damage is not that high. Even with 25 stacks of might.

Are you focused so much on condtion damage to keep your opponent busy removing condtions or why is your build focused on that?

For example if you could go for Sigil of bloodlust or force to make more direct damage if you do not like to lose your toughness

Why Formula 409 while you have only 1 elixir?

Maybe the Engineer forum would be a better place to ask.
I guess you are a power engineer? Try condition damage instead.

Did you checked the HgH guide from ostricheggs? This works well for me against Elementalists. Anyway Elementalists are favorite of the month at the moment.

Is it possible to bind a text ? I like to chat during the fight. But have not time during fight to write: “Temple 3 enemies. Need help”. Is it possible to bind stuff like that ?

Normally HGH is using elixir H. So Med kit is fine but not really used for the normal HGH build.

You can get ~20 stacks of might without Medkit.