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great advice there, Ross! Well said while attempting to maintain this builds individuality.

Good luck with the build, kybraga!

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....how do you stay alive as Mesmer

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Look fashionable af, and it won’t matter. #protips

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[List] Mesmer Specialists

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Thank you Chaos for taking the time to put this together and the Mesmer community for being so helpful! Y’all are the best

Mesmers that work together STAY together. <3 (>^.^)> <3 \(^.^)/ <3 <(^.^<)

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You might as well add me to the signets section as well. I’m happy more people are playing signets.

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[List] Mesmer Specialists

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Great idea!

Be sure to make sure account names are correct (with numbers) or in game names. I’ve gotten a few messages the last two weeks from people needing tips on Mesmer.

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[build idea] The Equalizer (LF OMFG Testers)

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Love the concept here!! I’ll be giving it a closer look.

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Most profitable reward track?

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Easily Maguuma. Those keys and the geodes equals good loot. Don’t forget to make them clay pots! Just a tad bit of PvE crafting and finding chests in the desert.

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necro elite

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What Rome said. It was kind of silly whenever someone used Lich, then 4 seconds later, he was tossed around like an overgrown rag doll. I’ll miss those days, but this is better balance for elite transformations.

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What builds are possible when DE is built in

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Wow. This is a fun, albeit masochistic, activity for us to partake in!! I think a few obvious things would occur:

  • More builds utilizing Shattered Conditions —> big boost in Mesmer being able to burst while not being a paper weight in terms of survivability. I notice the buff in my heal when I go into Inspiration. Also means you can safely take some other underrated traits like glamour mastery, persisting images, vigorous revelation or Menders. Yes, there’s some interesting stuff in the major Adept line (definitely better than the higher tiers lawl)!! Who would have thought. lol
  • More experimenting with Bountiful Disillusionment. It’s a subpar gm trait like most of the gm traits at our disposal, but I could see some potential there. Maybe we could even become a might stacker when you combine BI, BD and Shattered Strength?! :O
  • Power Block & CI becomes less of a struggle.

Long story short, you’d actually see Mesmers being able to utilize our class mechanic effectively. You would be able to see the Chaos, Inspiration and Illusions trait lines interact more fluidly.

edited to add:
I couldn’t help but start theory-crafting. Look at this NASTY condition maim tank build!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7flknpRttpxQNcrNCsBd6gUkfg6nMlbSqAA-TJRHwAQLDIc/BAXEABPBAA

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Being told mesmer "can't work."

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See, this is why I didn’t want to read this thread:

There are certainly quirks to the [Mesmer] class to work around, but its definitely not underpowered.

You mean certain… bugs? Mesmer is literally the most bug-ridden class in the game. It took them 2 years to make pWarden work half way decently. Oh, and please tell me you’ve seen the video of a dolyak dodging pMage’s attack??

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Being told mesmer "can't work."

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I don’t know if I even want to venture to read the entire three pages, but this first reply to the thread is basically the correct answer, and best post 2015:

Necromancers and (especially) rangers are in the same position, if that’s any comfort. 3 main things are pushing Mesmers out of the meta in high-elite level play, imo.

1) Mesmers face very serious role competition from thieves. Thieves are generally better at fulfiling the role of the roamer. Thieves have higher mobility and stealth uptime for backcaps and +1ing fights and can disengage from fights better. Mesmers can only do three things better than thieves: Boon stripping, sustained ranged damage and portal. These are things that can be very useful to the team, however…

2) (Shatter) Mesmers get farmed by thieves. If the other team has a thief, the mesmer spends most of the game kiting and trying to survive getting ganked, if he doesn’t get 2 shot from stealth to begin with. In other words, the mesmer becomes a liability for most of the game. This skewed matchup is especially problematic since the role of the mesmer is to +1 fights. If the mesmer rotates to +1 a fight, the enemy thief can get there to even out the fight. And in an equal numbered fight where one team has a thief and the other has a mesmer, the team with the thief will probably win.

Good peeling from your team can help to mitigate the thief hard counter. However, the simple need to peel can be a huge liability to the mesmer’s team as well, as when teammates have to peel for the mesmer, it forces the team out of position and lessens pressure on other players on the enemy team. Moreover…

3) Why would teams want to invest all that time and effort to make a mesmer comp work, if there are alternatives that require far less effort to succeed and are more effective? Thieves are simply kings of the berserker classes in conquest, and has been since launch, so every team will reserve one spot for the thief. If the team needs a second DPS/roamer class, a cele engi can perform the role exceptionally well AND counter the enemy’s thief. Same thing for a hammer meditation guard.

TL;DR: Mesmer faces serious role competition from thieves. Even the most exceptional mesmer players struggle against enemy thieves, even with impeccable team support. The availability of more effective alternatives to the mesmer for a second DPS/roamer class, such as the celestial engineer or the hammer meditation guardian, removes any incentive for teams to try to make a mesmer comp work unless the mesmer is REALLY exceptional.

Solutions:
1) Making the Thief vs Mesmer matchup more balanced (the thief should still have an advantage imo, but not an utterly overwhelming one as in the status quo).

2) Giving the mesmer more out of combat mobility so that it can better fulfill the role of the roamer (right now, mesmers are pigeonholed into traveler runes in order to even be competitive in the “roaming” role).

3) Maybe….gasp, fix some of the underlying issues of the class such as the huge number of bugs, nonsensical trait lines, the need to always have deceptive evasion (unless you spec for phantasms, which is great for pve and 1v1s but is terrible for tPvP) and useless grandmaster traits so that mesmers can spec something other than shatter and be useful to a team in high level play.

+100 with extra emphasis on number 3. I’m still trying to maim the meta with condi shatter…

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[Malignant Inscriptions] PvP Build

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Thanks so much for the positive feedback!! This build has remained one of my top favorites for a year now, and for good reason. Like you mentioned, the 1v1 capabilities are absolutely amazing. It takes some time to build up, but you have awesome single target dmg and moderate AOE dmg via clone explosions. I think Mesmer shines in low-mid tier tpvp. We have a lot of build variety that can work for many different play styles. I’m so happy that you find this certain build to fit you like a glove!

Thanks also for your unique take on the build. You go a much more offensive route than I with CI and Moa. I’m typically a low risk player tbh, which is why I love ample condi clear and my Mass Invis. haha

While I prefer the rabid setup, I implore you to try alanis’ cele version. It’s VERY fun. Come back and let us know how you’re doing.

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Cele Ele and Engie unkillable?

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I’d like to think I’m a pretty good Mesmer, but sometimes even a skilled player can have a hard time against certain builds. I think the cele meta has challenged a lot of people even when their skill level is a bit higher than their opponents.

Hopefully you have better luck with that build. Boon strip combined with overwhelming condi pressure is the hard-counter to cele engi/ele. Let us know your results.

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You can definitely use phase retreat to get on top of the ledges at mid on Forest now. I literally SCREAMED when it happened, because everyone knows you can only get there by blinking from a tiny point on the ramp.

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Cele Ele and Engie unkillable?

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http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNArfWlknpRttpxQNcrNCrBh6rslfSyEEgS2hrB-TJRHwAC3fIZZABnCAAPBAA

You’re welcome. I never have issues against cele ele or cle engi 1v1 using this build. Maim the Meta.

The only thing besides thief (or a good condi ranger) that will give you trouble is cele Warrior, but that’s only if your 4 teammates completely suck. With this build, your shatters alone will be on par with their condi cleanses. Better yet, you’ll be ripping ungodly amounts of boons from them, which will render them pretty useless at being “bruisers”.

dam you got there before me xD

This is what I use on ChoKawaii. She hurts people, and I get people complaining against me calling me cheese and PU all the time. I take it as a compliment. Re: your point about turret engis. In that case, I let them have the point and just use a rotation of Staff Clones —> F3 Shatter for the vuln —> Confusion stacks with iMage/Confusing Images —> Back to Staff Clones stacking bleeds.

The great thing about Maim is that you you give them a choice on how they would like to die. Either you move around and chase me over the point and die from torment/confusion. Or you can sit there, not move, not use skills and die from bleeds being constantly stacked. People should be happy that I’m giving them a choice in the first place!!

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Cele Ele and Engie unkillable?

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http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNArfWlknpRttpxQNcrNCrBh6rslfSyEEgS2hrB-TJRHwAC3fIZZABnCAAPBAA

You’re welcome. I never have issues against cele ele or cle engi 1v1 using this build. Maim the Meta.

The only thing besides thief (or a good condi ranger) that will give you trouble is cele Warrior, but that’s only if your 4 teammates completely suck. With this build, your shatters alone will be on par with their condi cleanses. Better yet, you’ll be ripping ungodly amounts of boons from them, which will render them pretty useless at being “bruisers”.

Edited to add:
I’ve noticed that Elementalists seem to be go into panic mode when you return that nasty burn they have such easy access to right back at them! Make sure you steal some great upkeep of protection and vigor while you’re at it! It forces them into water really quickly.

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The Blink nerf is hard :o

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I’ve heard blink spots were generally buffed in pvp. Sorry to hear about you wvwers though. :/

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More Mesmer Nerfs Coming

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Definitely a nerf to boon strippers in a general sense, but I think elites should be more powerful anyway (waits for Time Warp to cause Slow). Whenever someone lich forms, I literally laugh and toss them around like a gigantic kitten rag doll. It’s bad enough that Mesmer counters Necro in the first place.

You don’t see many ele/engi transformations, so I’m not too worried. Just means I’ll have to be a bit more careful with necros and not laugh at how generally useless transformations are against me.

Also, will these be 1 stack pulses or 2 stack pulses of stability?

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I like double ranged without portal xD

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Are you saying that if a shatter mes drops portal he suddenly becomes MORE viable? Who knew!

:D PLOT TWIST! D :

lel I always get people saying kitten kitten W/O PORTAL U HAV NU MOBILITY BRING PORTAL FOR TEAM MOBILITY

brings portal

nobody uses portal

You are not playing with organized teams. Portal is pretty legit, but it takes a real team to get the most effectiveness out of it.

Bah! Real teams are a myth. Like unicorns, the idea of that golden magical horn is lovely, but they don’t exist.

You should make more friends if you believe this. My friends and I rekt when we play together.

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I like double ranged without portal xD

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Personally, I’ve taken a liking to Arcane Thievery especially with all the cele builds.

I run this in my condi shatter build that serves as a direct counter to cele ele/engi. It’s very clunky and takes some practice to ensure it always works.

I do love Null Field though. It’s definitely my favorite condi clear in other builds. I almost never use MoR, but there’s no denying that it’s our most popular one.

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I like double ranged without portal xD

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Are you saying that if a shatter mes drops portal he suddenly becomes MORE viable? Who knew!

:D PLOT TWIST! D :

lel I always get people saying kitten kitten W/O PORTAL U HAV NU MOBILITY BRING PORTAL FOR TEAM MOBILITY

brings portal

nobody uses portal

You are not playing with organized teams. Portal is pretty legit, but it takes a real team to get the most effectiveness out of it.

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I like double ranged without portal xD

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Not weird at all!! lol MoR is one of the most popular condi cleanses we have.

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Not sure if Phase Retreat r going to be affected, though.. Since they’re not really a targeted teleport.. hmm

I’m so worried. I’m like worried about everything.

Why is it being nerfed? It’s an appropriate way for light classes to have increased mobility. I just don’t get it.

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Mesmer discrimination

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I don’t understand why Mesmer daily is never up, but I’m not exactly complaining. I’m a Mesmer main, and it’s bad enough when my team has two good Mesmers. I’d definitely not want bad Mesmers on my team as it means a total loss.

Still, it seems like it’s always the engi or ele daily. What’s the deal there?!

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Power Block and Thieves

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Dondagora is a champion of logic. PB not effecting thieves is really really silly and bad design. I had high hopes for PB. They totally destroyed it by smacking a CD on it and having it not effect thieves whatsoever.

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RIP Capricorn

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This is truly saddening. In a game format that is often accused of being stale, I NEVER will understand the rationale behind scrapping an entire map!!! It really makes no sense.

Yes, people hated skyhammer, but it’s still here. Were the numbers really that worse for this map? I personally loved Capricorn as it was one of my favorite maps. Underwater combat is annoying, but the other two points and the pirate ship are awesome.

Capricorn >> Spirit Watch >>>>> Skyhammer

Bring Capricorn back please!

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Stabo changes landing tomorrow

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At any rate, I don’t really see this as being a significant change from the mesmer point of view. The major difference will be that you won’t be able to strip/steal long duration stab from some of the transforms, but that’s not a huge change, just means that moa will become a bit more important vs transforms, and we’ll have even less reasons (if that’s even possible) to take arcane thievery or mimic.

Well Diversion will now strip stab even without shattered concentration. 3-clone diversion shatters will be a bit more important in any Mesmer build.

Doing that will still be a waste though; no dazzling procs is a pretty significant change. You’ll still want the boon strip and then followthrough.

In 1v1’s absolutely, better to strip or wait it out versus wasting the 3 chain daze just to get rid of stab. In team fights though, the random chaos storm/MoD/Imbued Diversion (yeah right) AoE procs are going to be really nice to whittle stacks down.

I agree with these sentiments. If you’re running a shatter spec, you’re most likely already using Shattered Concentration and should use F1/F2 for removal.

This is a slight buff to Mesmers, but overall, the need for Mesmers in the meta just worsened, because other classes can whittle down the now nerfed stability themselves with group effort instead of entirely depending on Mesmers/Necros for boon strip. Yes, it still helps to have boon strippers, but it’s not crippling if you don’t.

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No need for a war! Mesmers unite!! People have a right to use #CryOfFrustration with no cool down. The devs have always given less than a kitten about Mesmer. There’s so much evidence for this claim that it’s not even a provocative statement to make, but don’t rain on my happy parade!

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HYPE TRAIN!

Uhh. Hype for…what? Some nebulous thing that Jon Peters claims will be as good as having another mainhand weapon?

I’m hype, because we’re getting a new weapon that has a certain novelty about it, a new specialization that I’m looking forward to and a new pvp map that I’m VERY excited about! Yes, I would have much rather gotten a MH pistol, but I’ve already complained about that more than once, so why keep complaining? Yes, when you compare what we’re getting next to other classes, we might be getting a raw deal. That all being said, I’m not bogged down with pessimism like the majority of gw2 players, and I’m very happy with my gaming experience. I’m not saying people don’t have a reason to be pessimistic, but there’s no need to bring others down to your level just because you can. It’s unbecoming.

Now, I’m just more concerned about what shield skins I should buy before HoT.

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I just feel like overall, they are going in a direction where all the buffs are watered down. First it was might, now stability. What’s next, making Swiftness 10+ increase in movement speed instead of 33%?!?! Instead of nerfing conditions/buffs, they should nerf the application of them on a micro level.

I like that this is generally a buff for CC Mesmers in pvp, but it still doesn’t bode well for the health of the game in general.

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“Every profession is indeed only getting one new weapon. However, Jon Peters teased that classes getting an offhand would get something “just as good” as the extra three skills and that he couldn’t say more. I suspect that the specialization might unlock three new utility skills, but that’s my speculation." – Nefara
Taken from here

HYPE TRAIN!

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The way I understand it, shattered concentration would remove the entire stack, so boon removal remains unaffected. All it would effect would be CC skills. Hopefully, my understanding is correct.

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Are mesmers fun? What can they do?

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Dude.. You just went and cried in like four different threads.

I don’t know what kind of Mesmer you play, but it sounds like you really have the most unfun Mesmer ever, and I’m glad my experience has been nothing like yours.

I just started play more in sPvP, unfortunately, this is what I have to look forward to:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-finals-were-a-joke

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Mes-Nec-and-Ranger-need-buffs/page/2#post4861495

sure, sPvP is not all that GW2 has to offer, but it does shed a light on the state of Mesmer, which is in a good place.

Those threads are really more about Celestial Amulet than the Mesmer class. Here’s your answer to Cele Engi/Ele:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNArfWlknpMttpxQNcrNCrBh6rslfSyEEgSWhrB-TJRHwAC3fIZZABnCAAPBAA

“Maim The Meta”. You’re welcome.

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Hi guys I am new to GW2,

I like the idea of confusing my enemies with clones, kinda like Leblanc in LoL.
The Portal seems legit, I can transport those golem guys.
I like the two-hander spells they got.

What are some other fun/interesting things mesmers can do?

I want to be that class which stands above the rest because of what I bring to the table. Where I’ll be useful in most situations (PVE/PVP). Enlighten me please.

Well welcome to the Mesmer class! I’m so happy to have you here with us!

As a pvp purist, I will tell you that in low-tier gameplay (which you’re currently at as a new player), Mesmer is VERY strong in pvp. You’re right, the Mesmer class can be very very very confusing to fight against for the majority of players in gw2. This is especially the case when you take into account that the Mesmer has a lot of skills that break the target off of you which helps to confuse you with clones. If you practice and become good quick, you’ll have a lot of success in pvp.

That being said, the higher tier you get, the less… novelty there is about Mesmer gameplay. Good players will know how to counter and manage your attacks. You’ll never see someone stomp the wrong clone again (lol). It then becomes a matter of player skill in which Mesmers typically have a tough time with most classes depending on your build.

Overall, Mesmer is still SUPER fun to play! I’ve played Mesmer exclusively since near launch. I love that Mesmer is the only class that specializes in severely punishing bad gameplay from others. It’s a great feeling knowing that when you beat someone as a Mesmer, it’s because you have more skill than them!

Advice for PvP:

  • I suggest you youtube different guides on how to pvp first as this is more important than even knowing your own class. There’s plenty of resources out there. Here’s a start from a friend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTxO18JgdRE
  • You can play several different Mesmer builds in low tier gameplay and do really well. I say pick out the weapon set you feel most comfortable with then ask around the forums again for builds. Different categories include Phantasm, Lockdown, Shatter and within those categories are even more builds (dps vs condition vs tank vs support etc.)
  • Get acquainted with the forums here. We’re a passionate group of people who are always willing to help others. We all have strong personalities, because we’re a bunch of know-it-alls. And yeah, us Mesmers DO know it all!
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There’s an old saying… “No use crying over spilled milk.”

Well, everyone here is crying before the milk is even spilled. Heck, you don’t even know if there’s milk IN the glass TO spill. Your not even sure there IS a glass to knock over.

This.

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I’m actually very happy with offhand shield possibilities for Mesmer. I still think they should give us main-hand pistol though.

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From a post in the pvp section looks like Anet is nerfing this in the HOT expansion, at least for thieves .

link please?

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Gearing for HoT - Best Shield Skin

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I like the Seraph, Priory and Coleoptera shields.

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[Video] STRONGHOLD: Mesmer Gameplay

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Let’s talk about some possible roles and playstyles that can crop up in this format:

Assaulter/Defender - helping your NPCs to take down the gates and enemy guards. High mobility. Taking out treb if it becomes a nuisances. Alternatively, defending your gates against intruders.

  • Zerker PU or Shatter?
  • Any high dps build that can take advantage of focus, rune of the pack and traited blink.
  • Good 1v1 builds like signets or PU.
  • Maim builds for moving NPCs.

Smuggler - Getting supplies and getting out of the fray. Being able to actually make the channel is important. Also being able to take a few hits is helpful.

  • Signet builds that take advantage of distortion.
  • Mantra of Concentration with water runes.
  • PU tank

Shepard - Escorting allied NPCs to break gates.

  • Mantra healing immediately comes to mind.
  • Glamour support. It’d be nice if we had a reliable blaster for chaos armor…
  • Traited focus for reflect and speed boost.

Supply Denier - The antithesis of a “Smuggler”, this role for the Mesmer should focus on AOE CC.

  • Run wild with this one guys. We have a lot of options with CI, MoD, Focus, Staff etc.
  • Glkittenter

Overall, I see A LOT of play builds benefiting from increased range on blink and pack runes. It looks like it helps to be able to mobilize effectively. This could include a lot of portal plays. I also see a resurgence of PU actually being good in a competitive setting. Lastly, maybe I picked the right time to start theorizing tank builds, because I see some potential viability here as well! This is fun speculation, but I guess that Stronghold will be good to Mesmer. /optimism

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Stronghold = too much PVE, too forgiving

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As for complaints that stronghold is doesn’t promote players fighting players, that is just silly. All of the objectives are designed in such a way so as to promote both fights and strategic personnel movement. Sure, there are roles that players that aren’t as hardcore can take and still contribute, but they will always be doing less than players who are good at fighting. Even something like a supply runner can be taken advantage of by a good fighter who can gank and steal the supply. The fact that there are more phases to the game, which gives it a better sense of progression and pacing, is a GREAT thing for viewers and casters, making the game-mode more amenable to “esports”

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This was my immediate thought when watching Stronghold matches. There’s a lot of strategic choices to be made into where you place your players. If there aren’t skirmishes happening all over the map, that’s probably due to poor strategic choices on both teams’ ends.

And I must repeat: this game was being tested by people who aren’t necessarily the most competitive. Some of the testers weren’t your typical esports players and some were. I say let’s not negatively prejudge the map and see how it works out when it reaches the different player bases.

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Revenant - The better Mesmer?

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This is a more appropriate topic to dive into now that we’ve seen a bit more footage of Rev gameplay after today.

I see the similarities between Mesmer and Rev in terms of their CC output, but I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s a better version. I’d simply say it’s the “heavy” version of Mesmer (light) and Engineer (medium) in terms of pumping out strong CC in various ways.

That being said, I’ll be interested in seeing what other professions get use of taunt, which proves already to be very strong for a CC, especially since Rev technically doesn’t have it on a cool down. Chain-taunting could be quite… nasty.

I still see CI Lockdown being the best zerker build if we’re comparing just builds that focus heavily on CC. I see Rev lending itself towards more of a supportive role while using its CC. It’s still very early to make any definitive claims though. It’s all just silly fun speculation.

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PvP Unique Rewards (Keeping Casuals Invested)

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Considering there’s a lot of new stuff coming via HoT, there could potentially be new ways to incorporate player-drawing rewards into the pvp track reward system.

We still don’t know exactly how you’d be able to acquire Guild Halls, but if it’s similar to custom arenas where you need a currency as upkeep, PvP Tracks would be a great way to bring a broader player base into PvP. Just something to think about, Devs!

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As a pvp purist, I for one am super excited about the map and its mechanics! As I’ve always contested, anything to bring more numbers into the pvp playerbase is a good thing. If this “appeals” to PvErs, then by all minds, I don’t think that’s a bad thing. In fact, it’s the opposite.

It is very important to keep in mind that the majority of people we see in these videos are NOT hardcore pvpers, so what we see isn’t exactly what will go down in “competitive” play.

So far, BRAVO to anet! HoT Stronghold hype!

Its bad because it puts even less emphasis on actual PvP when its a PvP mode.

Wait, how is the emphasis less on PvP? What would you prefer, a pure deathmatch map? Better yet, you make several complaints about Stronghold already, but how would you change things based on your current observations?

You also never addressed anything in my post, so I don’t know why you used quotations at all.

At least with conquest, the additional objectives are few and simple to understand, and the mode remains about team fights, 1v1’s, etc. The map needs to either have a larger team size or be smaller. The amount of additional objectives + the size of the map for 5 players made the amount of other player encounters seems quite few from the footage ive seen. Lets just not make a mode that rewards people on being bad at what the game mode should be about, PvP.

Running supply and killing pve mobs isn’t PvP.

Ah ok your argument holds weight when you put it like that.

I think 5 players is decent enough to start off. You can always play it in your custom arena with as many players as you like. I just like the idea that this will bring more people into the pvp arena that otherwise wouldn’t be here. I think nothing but good things can come from it.

I do get your point though. The necessity of mobs is a deviation from pure pvp, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. I think if they gave us more maps of the different game types, we’d see more overall satisfaction from the community. More conquest maps (bring Capricorn back!), more Death-match maps and more Stronghold maps.

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As a pvp purist, I for one am super excited about the map and its mechanics! As I’ve always contested, anything to bring more numbers into the pvp playerbase is a good thing. If this “appeals” to PvErs, then by all minds, I don’t think that’s a bad thing. In fact, it’s the opposite.

It is very important to keep in mind that the majority of people we see in these videos are NOT hardcore pvpers, so what we see isn’t exactly what will go down in “competitive” play.

So far, BRAVO to anet! HoT Stronghold hype!

Its bad because it puts even less emphasis on actual PvP when its a PvP mode.

Wait, how is the emphasis less on PvP? What would you prefer, a pure deathmatch map? Better yet, you make several complaints about Stronghold already, but how would you change things based on your current observations?

You also never addressed anything in my post, so I don’t know why you used quotations at all.

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As a pvp purist, I for one am super excited about the map and its mechanics! As I’ve always contested, anything to bring more numbers into the pvp playerbase is a good thing. If this “appeals” to PvErs, then by all minds, I don’t think that’s a bad thing. In fact, it’s the opposite.

It is very important to keep in mind that the majority of people we see in these videos are NOT hardcore pvpers, so what we see isn’t exactly what will go down in “competitive” play.

So far, BRAVO to anet! HoT Stronghold hype!

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[Video] STRONGHOLD: Mesmer Gameplay

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Everybody knows that the only thing I like more than signets is the glamorous use of our glamours. ha! I see a comeback.

It’s too early to really settle on one style, but I understand the excitement has everyone speculating!

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Please give us Portal markings on the minimap

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I don’t know why people are arguing, but my suggestion is to keep this thread on topic for the sake of everyone.

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[OMFG-US/EU] Mesmer Fashion Show

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It’s official.

Ross Biddle is the Mesmer community’s style simon cowell.

Did he also impregnate his best friend’s wife? Pfft Ross has reached new lows.

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Please give us Portal markings on the minimap

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While a range indicator would be nice to show when you’re outside of the limit, I kind of like that it forces me to learn distances from point A to point B.

That being said, I think a portal map indicator would be absolutely amazing.

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[OMFG-US/EU] Mesmer Fashion Show

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dat Cho cameo at 8:27 tho.

Congrats to all the finalists and winners. It was a super fun time! Hope to see even more next time.

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