In GW2, people who stay back and don’t expose themselves too much then choose the correct moment to push a kill win. What you’re seeing is a L2P error. Let your bunker frontline until you can get someone exposed.
Why do you think people complain about AoE so much? It’s because they’re stupid and get AoEd. Against good players, AoE hits 1 target, sometimes 2. Aside from down contests. Hotjoin awarding glory to everyone on the point when it caps has a lot to answer for.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Play around a little with your game options. There are some target selection options there. I remember stealth making you drop target being really annoying at first though, you’re not alone there
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
I prefer the new map, if only the team icons would work. I’m not actually sure what the problem is that people are having with it other than that. Do you usually zoom your minimap in? For what purpose? I much prefer being able to quickly track the whole battlefield. I always kept the old one zoomed all the way out, but if you were at one end of the map sometimes you couldn’t see the other since it was centered on yourself.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Why bother? You’ll be whining about something else within 4 hours of a patch giving you everything you want and completely breaking the game anyway. All I want is a matchmaking fix ^^
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Mace/GS warrior
GS shatter mes
S/D ele
Guard who doesn’t autopilot SYG
Backpoint bunker
Troll necro all day with mace and aoe spike when the warriors try to peel. If they don’t lineback your warrior the necro is dying long before anything on your team (because warrior vs ele or mesmer looks like a benny hill episode) and if they do they get blown up by 100b/shatter/airspike while staring forlornly at their zerker stance buttons, cleansing ire traits, and heal sig passives. Just SYG spikes and let your warrior balanced or dolyak stomp.
O ya return of the 100b!
half of SYG can be countered by corrupt boon. with so much aoe cc I dont think even the guard cant have too much standonground time. But I guess you are right, 3 guardian team might be able to do it. They just need to hold the mid long enough or just use sanctuary to neutralize/cap it.
If the necro gets corrupt off against that comp you’re doing it wrong. Since your spike is a series of knockdowns, stuns, and immobilises, the only way he is getting corrupt off is with stability, and that seems unlikely considering he has no guard. Even so you don’t need all 3 spikers to down him, and he can’t corrupt them all.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
One of the major effects of this problem is that the game is so hard that many people can’t even recognise what they should be doing differently. They don’t understand when they kitten up, they don’t understand when they get outplayed. This results in people in the 60% bracket making statements like ‘the skill ceiling is too low’ or ‘spamming wins games’.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Points mean nothing. The other day I top scored as a back point bunker, and I was pretty embarrassed because the only reason I scored so high was that I got decapped so often and had to recap. If they won’t hit mid because they’re scared the guard sitting there is too strong he is going to get about 20 points but he’s why you’re winning the game. The guy who holds 2 of their team in the middle of nowhere for the entire match but never gets a kill is going to come out with 0 points, but he made it a 4v3. Of course if he is 1v2 on a point that’s irrelevant, because there was going to be someone on the point anyway.
It’s just not possible to come up with a scoring system that accurately represents who contributed the most to the win.
BTW most games where someone scores 200+ points are horrible. Node swapping isn’t how you typically win. There are exceptions.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Mace/GS warrior
GS shatter mes
S/D ele
Guard who doesn’t autopilot SYG
Backpoint bunker
Troll necro all day with mace and aoe spike when the warriors try to peel. If they don’t lineback your warrior the necro is dying long before anything on your team (because warrior vs ele or mesmer looks like a benny hill episode) and if they do they get blown up by 100b/shatter/airspike while staring forlornly at their zerker stance buttons, cleansing ire traits, and heal sig passives. Just SYG spikes and let your warrior balanced or dolyak stomp.
O ya return of the 100b!
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
That’s a little sad. Warriors are doing ok atm. I suspect they’ll be too strong once people figure it out and start finding comps that work better with them, but right now they are fine.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Watched 30 seconds of bullkitten, turned it off, shared my opinion. Don’t post it if you can’t handle opinions on it. Circle jerk privately.
So…in the first 30 seconds he says greetings and thanks Ron Pierce. I don’t see any outlandish claims or erroneous statements.
Sorry, time flies when you’re having fun I guess. From 00:58 until 1:40 he talks a load of crap, piling crap on crap as ‘support’ for the original crap. That’s when I turned off. Same thing every week. Starts on whatever forum bullkitten is popular with the baddies this week, fails to use any basic logic when presenting his case, I turn off.
Easy twitch views for him though, more power to him.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Stopped watching at about 30s in. Just like I do with every one of these when he makes some unsupported unsupportable claim almost immediately.
The priority was only in paid tournaments? The only difference between paid and free was better prizes and a higher entry barrier.
When he stops making obviously absurd statements I may make it through an entire one.
The small amount of hyperbole doesn’t really detract from the main points of the videos I’ve seen from him so far.
I spend a lot of time on this forum, ‘a small amount of hyperbole’ I can accept. Yet I can’t make it through these videos. Think about it. If I wanted to hear a series of completely erroneous statements presented as ‘facts’, I’d go to a political rally.
That’s alot to pull from only 30 seconds into the video…
Isn’t it just?
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Stopped watching at about 30s in. Just like I do with every one of these when he makes some unsupported unsupportable claim almost immediately.
The priority was only in paid tournaments? The only difference between paid and free was better prizes and a higher entry barrier. Is the argument that everyone deserved good prizes? “Participation Gems”? No, there is no argument, he never backs anything up, just says it and expects you to agree. And you do. GGWP Helseth.
When he stops making obviously absurd statements I may make it through an entire one.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
There are quite a few skill types that don’t work out unless traited. Ranger spirits would be the best example right now. If condis don’t get nerfed mesmers may need something, though I actually think mesmers are going to find a place again once teams start paying attention to how strong stun warriors are right now.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
1. Use a bad build.
2. A really bad build.
3. Get important stuff dodged.
4. Fail to dodge important stuff.
5. Bunch up so you can get cleaved.
But every class only has one build, are you saying that every other trait unrelated to that build is useless?
I believe that deep down, under all of those particle effects and AI spamming, that there is a bit of team work going on some where.
Sorry, just translating what you said. I mean, use as much AI as possible right?
So phantasm mesmers and minion masters are dominating. Rangers have to get by with just one pet and some signets on legs, tier 2 class at best. Thieves need to run ambush trap, but really they’re not viable outside of guild. Turret engi is good but supply drop takes it over the top, it’s the most OP spec around. Warriors on the other hand are worse than useless right now, reroll.
Take as many passives as possible? Quad signet ele is strong too I guess. Just make sure not to use the actives.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Cause Dhuumfire + terror hurts ridiculous amounts while also having you cc’d. They just need to turn dhuumfire into Torment and everything will be a-okay.
I keep hearing this idea, but it would actually be stronger in teamfights. Spirit rangers and engis already kitten burning, having a necro adding duration doesn’t make a lot of difference, one condi remove still clears the stack.
If you have a necro stacking torment every 10-12 seconds instead of every 34/40, and one of the others stacking burning, now you need even more condi removes to get clean.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Also, having to choose the best from many possible targets is too confusing. People have a hard time selecting their target when there are things like clones and bone minions to contend with. This needs fixing, as I don’t think a tutorial can help those who struggle with this particular aspect of the game.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
If you climb up to the top 100 now with a new account (without synching or other tricks), then I gotta admit you are pretty good. Currently the ladder however, seems somehow biased: in that image you have someone with rank 3 (some very new pvp player) against rank 60 (some basement dweller who lives in this game).
I’m guessing Syrkle is Cyrkles alt and one of the better players on blue. Could be someone else though.
Perhaps, but he might as well be someone who got the game today, as can that ranger. My point is: the match making is biased. If BOTH of the teams had about as many high ranked players, it wouldn’t matter that low ranked players would play along them. In fact, that would nicely test the leadership skills of these high-end players. However, when they are all cascaded to the other team against a bunch of rookies, something is wrong. It’s almost pathetic.
Yeah, the matchmaking is a bit off, which is partly what has given rise to all the accusations of syncing I think. They said earlier today that they’re fixing it.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
If you climb up to the top 100 now with a new account (without synching or other tricks), then I gotta admit you are pretty good. Currently the ladder however, seems somehow biased: in that image you have someone with rank 3 (some very new pvp player) against rank 60 (some basement dweller who lives in this game).
I’m guessing Syrkle is Cyrkles alt and one of the better players on blue. Could be someone else though.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Yet some players are doing it better than others. Stop making excuses tbh.
And you know what? It is hard to do it to the degree that these guys do it, at the pace they do it. I run 4 condi wipes on my necro yet almost always have multiple condis up when I’m facing Karmy. Because he is able to predict reasonably well how many and which condis he needs to stack before a necro will use a wipe, and he knows he can evade one of those wipes, causing it to fail (this post actually made me realise I should be targetting a spirit with it ^^). He knows to save something for use after a successful wipe to get them stacked again fast. He knows when a fear is likely to come in and will break his sword autoattack chain so that you can’t flatfoot him with it.
Ever seen someone intentionally dodge doom? There are a few people who do it all the time. All the little things like that are the difference between good players and the rest of us. Most people can’t even get the basics under control.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Hehe that’s funny. There’s 3 top 100 players there (grimmy, karmy, reikou). I don’t recognise the other two names but I’m guessing they’re doing pretty well too. But yeah, it’s been addressed, they’ve said they’re fixing it.
Is is just a coincidence that the 3 top players are all using classes that are broken atm?
These people are not top players, just players that insist on either syncing or strictly using OP classes.
Never seen any of them sync, and in fact I don’t even think it’s a thing. Except for a thing in peoples heads that lets them continue thinking that premades are the only reason they’re not rank 1. I’ve had multiple games in a row with each of them, sometimes they were on my team, sometimes on the other, rarely the same option 2 games in a row. They’re all much better players than 99% of people I see, whatever class they happen to play.
Speaking of which, Reikou plays mesmer, guardian, and thief, I’ve only seen Karmy on ranger, and Grimmy plays warrior and necro at least. Karmy is the only spirit ranger I’ve faced multiple times who regularly beats me on my necro, and that’s purely him outplaying me, because I have the advantage in that matchup. He plans his evades and condi application well, unlike most who just spam.
When you try to trash good players it doesn’t reflect very well on you.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Hehe that’s funny. There’s 3 top 100 players there (grimmy, karmy, reikou). I don’t recognise the other two names but I’m guessing they’re doing pretty well too. But yeah, it’s been addressed, they’ve said they’re fixing it.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Longbow mainly just gives the warrior some positional flexibility so they can keep up dps and adren without having to overextend or stand in the red circles in group fights. It’s pretty rare for the longbow to get the final hit from what I have seen, the real focus tends to be on the other weapon set. That’s the one they use to push kills. Seen a few warriors use it pretty effectively, although I personally prefer to face longbows than double melee sets.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
I guess you could try remorseless (comes with precise strike), hunter’s shot->weapon swap->maul crit and pretend you’re a thief? That’s 18 stacks of vuln too if the fight just started. The auto sucks, but the other skills aren’t completely horrible. IDK though, I’m definitely no pro.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Makes life really hard for guardians in pvp, always has (except on graveyard. kitten graveyard). The problem is like Rennoko said, we’re actually kind of spoiled for choice when it comes to pvp utilities. All the spectrals are good. All the corruptions are good. All the signets are good although locust is pretty fringe. Flesh wurm is good. The other minions and the wells are good in the right build. Whether minion builds are good in themselves is a separate matter.
That means it’s competing with like 10 skills for 3 slots, and doesn’t even get a look in for well or minion builds. It was always best at ruining a guardians day, but we have a couple of better options for that, so it would take a fairly unusual build for it to be slotted. Since the weakness buff it seems a bit more versatile, but I still don’t really see much of a role for it. Maybe if some kind of smiteball becomes a thing down the road somewhere. It’s not a bad play against spirit of nature or healing spring I guess? With corruption recharge you could almost match every healing spring with a CPC, and it is an ideal counter for that.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
Said there was too much CC in the game nearly a year ago and no one believed it. DR is a kittenty hack fix btw, that was only implemented in the first place because that game was balanced for pve and had longer durations than recharges on their CC.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
The problem with your logic is that it doesn’t necessarily carry through to different skill levels. Once again, all the video shows is that ranger is good in low level play. Oops, don’t make another logical leap by inferring that I am denying they are good in high level play. I’m just saying the video is evidence of…. nothing much. His opponents might have been clicking for all you know. This could be the clicker world championship match, and he is the best clicker around. TBH, the thing that stood out to me most (after how horrible a match it was, seriously, after about 3 minutes ‘my eyes are going to bleed’ kept running through my head) was that he was surprisingly agile for someone who was clicking their abilities o.0
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
but nobody’s saying 4 spirit rangers is a good idea, they start losing effectiveness after 2 on a team. doesn’t make that spec a healthy game mechanic though
You did read the thread title right?
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
It is hard. So much happens so fast, there are many animations to watch at the same time, and on top of all that, you have to be aware of team strategy and what your team members are doing (or failing to do) at the same time, and how to best help them right now.
I’m with you there. Good players are already so far ahead of players like me that it’s a little embarrassing, and there’s plenty of room for them to keep getting better. This thread is just about the difficulty people seem to have understanding the basics.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
I think some training for down state people would be good too. Like don’t use a teleport when you’re one tick from being revived and no one has even started a stomp yet.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
@ Class diversity: The community also seems to feel that Warriors are in a good place right now in PvP. That’s 7 classes. You could make a case that Mesmers have a hard time in a hard condition meta, and I think a lot of people would agree with you. They have counters to conditions, but a lot of players don’t like to run those in standard Mesmer setups.
@ Balance: Perception of balance is always changing, so we’ll continue to try to make sure all classes have good options!
Just have to quote you, cause it looks like you forget about elementalists.
yes, warriors are in a good spot, but That´s not 7 classes, it´s 6 classes. Elementalists defense is aweful and they shouldnt be build around high bursts wasting everything they have trying to oneshot someone just to become useless after this attempt. Ele no.6 abilities are the worst in game, same with elite.
There are two eles in that picture. I’m not saying eles are fine, just pointing out that you may have misunderstood him.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
So you’re #1 on the solo leaderboards right? Because the top players are all doing it wrong iirc, but premades were holding you down, which is why you were in the 60% bracket on the team boards.
If you’re not playing to win, don’t complain when you lose.
