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I will interpret this for what it is and be very hopeful, for condis are the only place I struggle.

Really???! I’ll test now..

People can criticize us all they want.. But those who criticize each other have never fought each other.

We who have a large network of eles to keep in touch with have a basic understanding of who is top dog. That doesn’t mean a silent roamer couldn’t be better than the rest of us combined, but most of us duel each other to keep our skills sharp.

I’ll just add: prepare to eat your socks if you think this build doesn’t fight condi classes well. It’s only super weak to fear spamming necros. You’ll see.

grave of hearts.7830:

Mbelch.9028:

Simple. If you support it, voice it here.

Chill should NOT affect our weapon swap mechanic. This is an oversight and I don’t believe it was intentional.

As it is, all necros can best all eles because of this. I would almost say chill making our wep swap recharge slower kills us quicker than confusion, just in an indirect fashion.

As if necro is the one with the spamable chill and eles dont have diamond skin or escape options.
Next time separate your complaints from the classes you hate to the component that actually hinders you.
Keep the hate mongering to yourself.

It was an example, and with this upcoming patch, a large faction of people will be having chill on weapon swap, so think beyond the original post. I keep them short and sweet for a reason.

Oh, and keep your comments which add nothing but drivel to the topic to yourself.

Earth might cleanse weakness instead?

This would be a good thread topic for this or the ele forums!

I’m so on the verge of quitting it isn’t funny. And I was a heavy gem store supporter too.

That’s frustrating. All because they won’t fix nor optimize mac client.

I’d love my money back for the game since it is virtually unplayable in a pvp environment.

I don’t care to drag other classes into this, I just want it fixed for us; no need to drag them down to our level.

I love and appreciate the non eles jumping in and speaking for us here. Thank you.

Additionally, it would be cool if there was an arcana trait (maybe merge with elemental attunement to make it worth it) that did the one conditional cleanse if you swap to that attunement. All your attunement/condi pairs make sense.

You switch frequently from fire to water and throw away any chance of free might. I’d recommend rethinking your play style.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

I assume you have the windows.iso on your computer though?
Are you able to burn it to a disc?

I’m not sure the reasons behind these questions, but I found download links to windows 7 ISOs.

Seems I’d still need a key, and I have no intention on buying windows just because of GW2’s shortcomings.

If that means I’m fubared, just let me know.

I’m not really sure what windows.iso is. I don’t claim to be computer savvy, so forgive my ignorance!

I’ll check out that link, thanks.

I’m glad for the support. Let’s get a comment from the Devs on this. I personally think our attunements should be moved to where the weapon swap button would be normally. Then people wouldn’t be able to say anything about our weapon swap being a “skill” when it isn’t.

Bran, that logic is just awful. That logic is like saying, “well it doesn’t matter that you’re sick because other people are sick too.” In a hospital you know that wouldn’t fly. It shouldn’t fly here either.

Our class mechanic isn’t extra skills like your tool belt… Our class mechanic is a weapon swap.

Logically, if weapon swaps ARENT supposed to be affected (see all classes) then neither should Ele! Even if they are “one in the same,” like you said, we don’t get extra effects like stealth and such off the attunement mechanic.

If once we used our swap, for example to fire, that fire swap turned into a usable skill like “Hurl fire spike” then I would be okay with the double cooldown hit.

But for the moment, eles are hit doubly hard.

Look at it like this. Not only is our weapon swapping kittened, but our abnormally long cooldowns are also kittened by this.

And we only have those abnormally long cooldowns BECAUSE of the way we get extra skills. So you’re basically saying kitten ele in two directions, when really we should only be kittened in one direction — the same one each class is; skills.

I don’t have an installation disc.. I have a 2011-2012 full body iMac with 4 gigs of RAM and 500gb of hard drive space.

(Yes it has a disc drive.)

So if they don’t roll out a Mac fix tomorrow, I need a windows partition. Can anybody advise me in the best way to set this up?

P Fun Daddy.1208:

runeblade.7514:

P Fun Daddy.1208:

runeblade.7514:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stop,_Drop,_and_Roll

Ha.
Hahaha.
This is pretty much exactly like saying, “your build doesn’t do enough damage? http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Powerful_Banners”

After looking at the warrior trait page for like ten minutes, I couldn’t really find any traits I wouldn’t like to steal for my ele, which is kind of disturbing, outside of the above.

Seriously though, you don’t point out one of our single worst traits to say we have ways of dealing with a specific condition, especially when you ignore the entire argument.
It’s not about ways to deal with chill, it’s about the fact that chill hurts eles more than any other class by a huge margin.

Not really, it is more like, are you being crippled all the time? Bring Dogged March, or are you being CC all the time? Bring stability.

You say that chill hurts ele in a large margin. I counter that argument with a way to deal with it. So no, I didn’t ignore the entire argument, only you ignored your counter argument to deal with chill.

So let me sum up your argument and its premises in relation to the general argument of this thread and its premises:

Thread Argument:
Premises:
1) Elementalists are more affected than other classes by chill.
2) This is because chill affects our weapon swaps where it doesn’t affect that of other classes.
Conclusion:
Therefore attunement swaps should not be affected by chill so that elementalists are affected equally.

Your Counterargument:
Premises:
1) Elementalists have ways to counter chill, whether or not they are effective.

Conclusion:
Elementalists therefore do not need their attunement swaps to be unaffected by chill.

The problem with your above argument is twofold. Firstly, it is a prime example of a non sequitur, an argumentative fallacy where the conclusion does not follow from the premise. Having counters to a condition does not mean in any sense that that condition affects you as much as it does other classes, nor that it does so fairly.

The second problem with your argument is that it does not in fact address the original argument. While the original argument is talking about the inequality in how a condition affects a class (chill affects elementalists’ weapon swaps, but does not affect that of other classes), your argument is against that class being unable to cope with that condition (“chill hurts ele in a large margin” is how you summed up our arguments). This again is a prime example of an argumentative fallacy, this time a straw man argument, which entails misrepresenting an argument/topic so that you can thereby more easily counter it.

Logic. All the logic. All over. Please comment on all my threads. Lol.

Terrahero.9358:

This is honestly a difficult one.

On one hand, its Ele’s equivelant or replacement of a weaponswap. But on the otherhand, its your profession mechanic.

6 out of 8 professions dont suffer from Chill in their weaponswap. But then again, 7 out of 8 do suffer from Chill with their class mechanic. And Thief suffers to a lesser extend, as Steal isnt really completely their profession mechanic but Initiative is.

So changing Attunements to not suffer from Chill would mean their “weaponswap” doesnt suffer from Chill, but it also means they are the only profession who’s profession mechanic is completely unaffected by Chill.

Its not as simple as people make it out, because the Ele profession mechanic is also their weaponswap.
Considering the current state of Ele’s i’d say such a buff would certainly not be uncalled for. And i would call it a buff as i do not believe its actually an oversight.

But it wouldnt make Ele equally affected as other professions, but it would make them less effected then most professions. Who still suffer Chill on their profession mechanic.

This is a decent assessment. I will say I don’t think they thought about it when they were making our class mechanic the ability to swap attunements.

I would say.. Eles would be equally affected by chill still, as our super high cool downs on everything are even higher with chill.

And I’d be happy at that point.

There are some sad haters in this thread, oZii.

That’s true. If they want, they don’t have to lose. But if D/P thieves want to try to win, they lose, because they don’t have the sustain, and they’ll typically over extend.

The trick is not busting any major skills while they’re in refuge unless you’re bumping them out with updraft.

Linc.6834:

Roe.3679:

Then chill should also not apply to death shroud cooldowns, shatter cooldowns, kit and toolbelt cooldowns, pet cooldowns, virtue cooldowns, burst skill cooldowns…

That makes no sense at all, switching ele attunements is actually comparable to switching weapons. And while I don’t really agree that making them immune to chill is the answer, and instead making weapon swaps affected by chill. I also think that the amount of chill being thrown around should be toned down.

I think our difference in opinions on what to change is respectable, but I do think chill shouldn’t affect either.

I can see your side though. If the amount of chill thrown was a lot less, I would be a lot more fine with other classes having wep swap affected by chill, and eles not changing.

One way or another, I think we need an answer. There’s a huge imbalance here. Eles need to know what will happen with this.

Glad to see the support here.

Yes, engineer kits also shouldn’t be affected, but at the same time, they aren’t affected too much by chill since the cd is so low.

I think this should also go in bugs, but I’d like to get official comments here.

You’re incorrect. Permanent chill is hurting D/D eles severely.

And yes, you’re coming from a necro point of view because that’s your class.

Correcto.

The way to win is to make sure you pack a punch. Make anybody play defensively and they should lose.

Ryld.1340:

As an Ele, I always assumed that Chill affected other player’s weapon swap.

Are you telling me that it doesn’t?

I’m in fact telling you it 100% doesn’t affect weapon swap for other classes, and it shouldn’t affect ours either.

Ganathar.4956:

Muchacho.2390:

Jabberwock.9014:

I agree, chill is one of the most ridiculous things in game when applied to ele. I don’t see any other class getting weapon swap and corresponding sigil procs crippled by this condition. 66% is just far too much when applied to such a core mechanic, especially with how much chill necros can apply. Spinal shivers is just broken… 5s of chill * condi duration + 3 boon rip, and can be applied from trait AND skill. And too bad if you want to cleanse, since its now eons til you can switch to water or use ether renewal (not that you won’t be feared out of ER anyway with stability stripped). Might as well rename the skill to “ele bane”, since it excels at shutting down almost everything that lets an ele survive.

And it’s obvious that our attunements are not considered purely skills, given the fact that they DO proc weapon swap sigils.

I also agree that chill can be devestating against eles and the question if chill should effect attunements may be justified (I never said it is good or bad), but it stands that that they are skills (and are coded as such) and so they interact with all things that interact with skills. So i think that Anet wanted attunements to be effected by chill, well until they say or do other wise.

And by the way kits of engies also proc weapon swap sigils and those are utility skills.

I am pretty sure that Anet coded attunements the way they did because they needed to have them above the weapon skills and accessible with the F1-F4 keys like all other profession mechanics. I think that chill affecting attunements is a major oversight but I don’t know if it’s fixable or not.

Good reasoning. That’s exactly what I would have replied. I think they didn’t even consider chill when coding eles, and it hurts us now.

Muchacho, thanks for commenting from the necro prospective, but I do think you’re off. This doesn’t kill eles against thieves. It severely hurts them. It kills them vs necros.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

style.6173:

If you get nuked down by a HS, HS, HS thief, then the problem is you.

And not the fact that with 1,600 toughness you are still taking 16,000 damage in ONE hit. Yeah sure, what ever you say. You can stop the HS spamming by going Vapor or using Arcane Shield – then what? From the VERY first hit you are at a huge disadvantage.

Being that you will now have very little health left they will have stealth back up very soon and will be able to repeat the same thing over and over again until you finally die. Sure you might make a couple run away as the second attempt you will know they are there but i see plenty of Thieves save Bask Venom knowing that it isn’t needed on the first try, they will ALWAYS hit the BS first time around if you have no idea they are there.

Show me this 16k/hit thief please. You’re blowing smoke out your rear end.

I guarantee you’ve been hit this hard. I also guarantee you were standing still, or you are counting a combo as one skill.

All of which equate to: do something to stop the thief.

Muchacho.2390:

Chill effects cooldowns of skills and eles “weapon swap mechanic” are essentially 4 skills.
So i am pretty sure it is intentional.

And by the way that is not the reason that eles are more likely to lose a fight then other professions…

Skills have some effect, damage, something. Elemental attunements have nothing. They are a weapon swap mechanic.

Just because they CAN get swiftness and fury doesn’t mean all eles use this. Most do, but its not an excuse to make eles the only class to have their weapon swap chilled.

I don’t think you know much about ele. It pretty much is the only reason I lose to necros.

Talking about WvW, Wintel. PvP is a waste of developer time if ya ask me. I do partake in it from time to time to keep current on the state of the game there and duel server mates.

I don’t know if it’s about the buffs. I feel like they won’t be huge or anything game breaking.

I need that macro lol. I started playing ele literally right after anet shot the plane out of the sky. Every consecutive patch was a nerf.

Shelved eles are finally seeing light. WvW isn’t so lonely :p. Just thought it was nice.

Also— Ash why is it I can’t post anything positive about eles without that response? It’s completely false. If you get 2’d to death, we need to train you on how to not have that happen.

I just wanted to say I’ve seen an influx of eles in obsidian sanctum and in WvW as roamers. Glad to see this.

I think it in part is due to the ability to be beast mode when played right.

So kudos peeps for stickin’ with ele.

Human looks great.

But Heidia you’re right. That asura makes things visible. Maybe I’ll give that a shot for engineer or something.

I ran into an ele in OS using a well put together perplex condi build. Was effective, but playing smart still brought the build down. I don’t think conditions work on the higher level players.

I don’t need to advocate much, oZii has this covered.

Let’s just say where guardians get blocks, Mesmer get stealths, thieves get bunches of evades and dodges and stealth, warriors get blocks and invuln, engies get invuln and blocks and dodges. Eles only get 1 skill that makes us invuln on an uncommonly used focus. We have dodges, and that’s how it’s intended.

/thread done.

You might be trying to help your guardian. But you’re potentially hurting eles in the process. Such vindictiveness shouldn’t be around.

Another nice vid mate.

Looks are everything in this game to me! So with that in mind I rank 1-2-3 as Human, Norn, Asura. Way over the char and sylvari.

Human has the best porportions, the best armor and looks great with dual daggers.

Norn can look almost 100% like a human female. And nothing beats stealth on an ele.

Asura don’t look great. And they may as well be holding butter knives over daggers. But they float when they use the breath skills, and they flip on some channel skills. Float and flip my friend. Float and flip.

oZii.2864:

SonOfKrypton.4357:

Mbelch.9028:

Bahahah. You literally just said this to one of the best eles in the game. You “cleerly” are a troll and I hope nobody feeds you further.

Best ele in game? psh. I dnt thnk so. she has too fire daggerhs. obvsly a pve hero. r u 2 blind 2 c tht? nvr ven yoused rubling grownd attk + lightning tele. sry but I am at least 14 times bettan than this girl in vid.

I will say that when you see a super pale d/d Ele with no pupils then you will see a Pro Elementalist.

Inadvertently or not, you just described me lol. We do look very similar I suppose.

Swagg.9236:

Mbelch.9028:

Chutes and ladders is a game for children. Simple to understand, easy to execute, easy to learn.

I understand what Chutes and Ladders is. I’m saying that using it as a metaphor for my balance design doesn’t make sense because my balance design is focused around the preservation of offensive damage legibility and focusing damage into clutch, well-cued attacks. Chutes and Ladders is a game based entirely on the roll of a die. Dodging an opponent’s attack is not something for which you roll a die in GW2—or it shouldn’t be; it actually kind of is at the moment in many cases. That’s the problem that I’m working to correct.

You’re taking it a step too far. I can be so literal if you choose as well.

Your “balance” wishes slow the game down, eliminate all surprise. How is that fun? It caters to the casual crowd, which I am betting you aren’t, as you have time to write these superfluous posts.

Dodging shouldn’t and can’t be the panacea of the game. It should be a mechanic which when used intelligently improves survival.

SonOfKrypton.4357:

virtue.7235:

Hey guys,

a lot of you may know me or heard of me but i dont really post on the forums
i havnt made a roaming or dueling video in a while due to lack of interest but recently i found my self excited to play again. so i decided to once again make more roaming and dueling videos.

here is the latest one from this week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1qgxZnz89k

hope you guys enjoy
im currently on TC so if any of you would like to test your skills against mine, feel free to whisper me in game.

Also if any of you are interested in WvW and GvG content, you can find a lot on my channel.

As for build, i dont give it out so there is no point in even asking. your best bet is to contact me in game and ask me questions.

Who is ths noob? U cleerly no nothing about elementlust. Not ven braking stun when it happen. Pls dnt post ur tryhard videeohs on here when ur obvs a huge noob. Tht was a srs waiste of my life nd tyme I wll nvr get back. thx noob.

Bahahah. You literally just said this to one of the best eles in the game. You “cleerly” are a troll and I hope nobody feeds you further.

Lol if you’re planning to do that, I’ll pony up for a round trip to FA.

Great vid and say hey to Spoon for me ;D

Tei.1704:

You distinguish yourself from other people by being competent.

I’m done talking about the other topic, like I said. But this truly is where being the best at ele reveals itself. People shouldn’t even care about gear as much as they do.

Wyrden.4713:

i wont be aggressive but i rly want help, i wanna be able to survive and deal decent dmg

and some ppl cant afford to pay so much for gears like myself, started like 2-3 months ago w gw2 and still got tons stuff i wanna buy /test /etc

i just would like to know wich gear sets r good for both decent dmg, decent survivability, etc

Understandable. PM me in game. Simple as that.

Graendall.4765:

Its all fine and dandy not to share your gearsets etc. but selling the attitude of “top elementalists have sacrificed x amount of golds and hours so we don’t share go test your own” doesn’t do you any justice and it makes you look like an elitist.Elementalist community friendly and helpfull?You mean between the “top” players?Ofc you might as well don’t give a kitten about sharing etc,then its okei i guess.

But know this,threads like these,even if entertaining,come down to just showing off.Nothing we haven’t seen before or be capable of doing.

Something spectacular in a vid would be if all these top elementalists did a 1vs1 tournament.I bet we would see some nice action then.

P.S. I believe that people should test their own builds and gears for their own good so as to really see what the differences are and not be lazy,but i would never deny someone if he/she asked for my opinion and help and i would tell him what i am running with so he/she can think the possibilities and decide what is best for them,not me.

On-Topic.Nice vid.The resolution is bit bad though,or is it just me?Did you record with MSIAfterburner?

It would be great actually. We should work on that. And with edge of the mists, its entirely possible.

These vids are entertaining as heck, in my opinion. I don’t know if I’ll ever wind up making them (lag too much while screen recording) but while yes they’re about showing off, they’re also a hobby in and of themselves. I’m a news guy, so I produce videos on a daily basis, so maybe that’s why I get so much entertainment out of them.

Thing is, I share quite a bit in game. I don’t link my gear set to strangers, but why should I? Why should you? But I’ve seen too many examples of things gone wrong with sharing on the forums to advocate for it.

That’s all I’ll say on the topic.. Glad you support player initiative though.

Dahkeus.8243:

Eh, if you feel like people should have to jump through hoops for info that could easily be available through a single post, then that’s your prerogative.

I’m sure making people jump through hoops helps your own personal sense of justice that you feel people owe you, but in the large scheme of things, it just slows down people who want to learn and stifles free discussion, which leads to improvement.

Besides, I can guarantee you that it’s a lot easier to make one post explaining a build somewhere than to individually coach everyone who wants to learn from you (well…depending on how many people there are that think you have something to learn from).

“Slows down people who want to learn.” The only thing slowing these people down is themselves. Buy gearsets. Test them out.

If you make a post after learning what some of the top eles have learned, good for you. But for now, most of us keep our setups secret.

I have so much fun working with elementalists throughout the game and seeing them learn and grow. Way more satisfaction than posting a guide and seeing people say “Thanks,” or “Nice, but seen better,” like one of the comments here lol.

How? How is showing off your skill taunting or showing a “crappy attitude” you have a choice to watch or not watch as well as eles have the choice to share or not share.

I personally spent 150 gold on test gear, and easily another 100 gold on the gear I use now.

Serane likely spent more. We each buildcraft for hours at a time to improve our play and our builds.

So you wonder why builds don’t get shared? Why doesn’t coke share their recipe?

There’s a difference between talking shop, like I do with eles who PM me or mail me on a frequent basis for help, and giving people a free pass on doing their due diligence.

Yeah.. We don’t need a hundred eles running around with gearsets identical to ours.. People who just need to jack other setups are too lazy to test their own.

The QQ is hard here. The ele community doesn’t coddle those who can’t keep up, but we are possibly the kindest and closest knit.

I know some of the top eles across all servers talk to each other on a very regular basis.

Dat Serane. Glad to see you post here, and excited to see a new video. Excited to make our epic movie ;D.

Swagg.9236:

Mbelch.9028:

You really want to make this game move at a snails pace.
Sorry if you can’t keep up… But you’d turn this game from high speed chess into chutes and ladders.

High speed chess implies that you can see your opponent make a move, and I don’t even get the chutes and ladders metaphor.

Mbelch.9028:

I hope they overlook your suggestions. Sorry my posts are a trend, but so too are yours.

I suppose we each fight for something.

I’d say “exactly” but I know you’re not dumb. Chutes and ladders is a game for children. Simple to understand, easy to execute, easy to learn.

Look, if there’s no measure of unpredictability, nobody will play this game. If the best people can avoid all damage, this game will eventually devolve into crap.

I’ll edit this to say..: Also expect the unexpected. In high speed chess, its easy to miss a move, overlook a strategy or misstep. It is the same way in GW. You can see your opponent making moves.

If a thief goes into stealth, assume based on how he did it what he’ll do. If an ele with a scepter swaps from fire to earth, assume next will be water or air. Prepare accordingly.

There’s nothing wrong with the speed of the game.

You really want to make this game move at a snails pace.
Sorry if you can’t keep up… But you’d turn this game from high speed chess into chutes and ladders.

I hope they overlook your suggestions. Sorry my posts are a trend, but so too are yours.

All ele needs now is cleansing water’s ICD removed.

I’d accept also having RTL’s cooldown reduced.

Class=fine at that point.

Stop tweaking it past that.

Which need help? Well from a WvW perspective.

1.) Elementalist (Overnerfed.)
2.) Ranger (Only one viable spec)
3.) Guardian (Can’t roam well, disadvantaged in every 1v1)

I don’t know why necromancers are asking for help.. They’re the strongest 1v1 class right now, they have tons of utility in a Zerg, in a skill group. I’d say necros are more than fine..

Engineers are also in good shape. If these two classes get any buffs, they should be accompanied by nerfs as well.