Guild Wars 2

Daniele Rebecchi.1746:

First of all really thank you all for ur consideration^^
Im happy to see that DD ele is not so underpowered as i thought it was,but i enjoy too mutch his mechanics so i would play it Op or not XD

Anyway about ur advice: i see that celestial is good,and my idea to have some tankyness is basically came from my being a noob (if i didnt misunderstood,the more brusty build are for more experienced player,right?)

Also i guess my traits werent really good,so i think the best is to have 6 point in water and arcana.Here is my question: Evasive arcana is really strong and can combo well,but why nobody chose Elemental contintengy?The passive it gives seems pretty strong,isnt it?

Also,playng DD i found myself basically doing only combo with Ring of fire: it gives Might with Froen brust,Earthuake,Chirnging heart and the dodge if i get evasive arcana.But there are other combo here?
I didnt understand fully the combo system,i juts found them when i do them,so i guess i missed some other^^

I found relly useful the fct tht i can cast utility spell while channeling,making that i can cast on myself rmor of heart and lightining flas while charging a Churning heart

And what are the best elite skills to take?I only consider the sword becouse i didnt really use mutch the other one,are them viable?

PS this is how my build look like now,except for item im only lvl 70 now ^^
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fFMQJAoYhMM6c24wyBf0AhABxtmhBFlfLXB-TVRQwA7U/JlyPe6BiqEEw+DkCIixAA-w

There are other combos, too. Watch my videos for a few of them. Leaping through the fire fields, you can create flame aura. I have a sustain video that seems like it will be beneficial for you. I took the fight slow and I did some of my usual rotations. Definitely check out my ele help series.

Don’t worry too much about the build and gear until you are lvl 80.

Pm me if you have any questions.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

killahmayne.9518:

Eles I feel like are very vulnerable to burst, either a burst of conditions or a burst of damage.

Unless the elementalist is using Ether Renewal, an ele that gets 6 conditions instantly put on them can’t clear it very fast and often they have to let it tick. Luckily, Ether Renewal comes at a huge price (if you interrupt the heal they are screwed and the healing tends to be less than SoR).

Necros aren’t a hard counter but if they corrupt your boons or signet of spite you as an elementalist you are pretty screwed.

A zerker spec like a mesmer can easily burst down an elementalist as well. If you burst them they are often put on the defensive for most of a fight.

I agree with much of this. The Ele viability depend on buffs since the passive defense reality of an ele is the worst available in the game and we can’t get out of fight as easily as a thief or a mesmer by using (abusing?) stealth.

A necro corrupting all my precious boons and poisoning me puts an immense pressure on me. Specially in my case since all of my gear is zerker. Even with boons, I am totally burstable if I don’t react fast enough or at least condemned to fall back on defensive and praying that I won’t make any mistake until cool down of key attunements.

It is already quite challenging to roam and duel as a Ele with a staff as is…

It’s hard for every ele in the condition spam meta as roamers in WvW.

Some eles choose to go 6 into earth, but that’s kind of a cheesy way to go about it. I do agree with you both.

I think eles have struck a great balance in the meta, they shouldn’t be nerfed or buffed. I think warriors are also currently there, mesmers are close, necros could use a condition shave for a sustain bump, and rangers could use a bit of a sustain bump (when power).

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Nex is using s/d and s/f???? What world am I living in :O. Ive only ever seen you use d/d since launch lol.

My S/F build would be a fun duel for your mesmer! It’d be super dangerous for me.

Yeah I’m doing lots of things to keep the game fresh, but making videos really helps.

Get this dude, there’s one or two trolls that dislike each of my videos, but the guy who really gets me laughing is some nooby condi ele named Armageddon Ash? I recall his forum posts advocating people be condi tanks.

He makes the funniest comments, which from a condition ele, are even funnier. His videos are bad, too.

The drama keeps the game fresh :P.

Gokil.2543:

Mbelch.9028:

Gokil.2543:

Videos are definitely improving. Good pacing, enjoyable watch.

The jump dodges though.. I’m sure you’ve noticed by now that evasive arcana tends to bug out frequently when jump dodging. Try to cut back on the jump dodging. Not just because of lost EA procs, but also cause it causes you to jump when you try dodge with no energy (as you did a couple times in the video), which means you can’t queue your next skill quite as fluidly.

Great! The ele help series will always be kind of slow pace and the dueling series will be a little boring for those who don’t want to see technical play, but I really want to focus on making nice compilation videos.

I’m glad to hear you say this, bud.

So the evasive arcana issue…. I was getting it a lot before jump dodge. And I got it less after jump dodge. So that’s one small factor for why I use the jump dodge. The other being it helps me set up burning speed better.

I do sometimes not use jump dodge, especially if I think it’ll be better for the situation at hand. Maybe you and I can do an official test of evasive arcana screwups?

Both certainly have their place in my opinion. My fingers are just more used to hitting both at the moment rather than just one.

So far I’ve always had the impression that EA bugging out is strongly connected to not touching the ground when your dodgeroll ends. When rolling off ledges, it will fail reliably, and jump dodging increases the sensitivity to these kind of failures.

A very strange way to recreate an EA fail reliably is using magnetic grasp – roll – magnetic leap. If you spam your magnetic leap while rolling, it will somehow override the evasive arcana proc.

I’m on EU, but I’ll be keeping an eye out myself.

Bud, I’ll be testing that tonight. Why don’t you PM me? I’d love to have some conversations in game.

Gokil.2543:

Videos are definitely improving. Good pacing, enjoyable watch.

The jump dodges though.. I’m sure you’ve noticed by now that evasive arcana tends to bug out frequently when jump dodging. Try to cut back on the jump dodging. Not just because of lost EA procs, but also cause it causes you to jump when you try dodge with no energy (as you did a couple times in the video), which means you can’t queue your next skill quite as fluidly.

Great! The ele help series will always be kind of slow pace and the dueling series will be a little boring for those who don’t want to see technical play, but I really want to focus on making nice compilation videos.

I’m glad to hear you say this, bud.

So the evasive arcana issue…. I was getting it a lot before jump dodge. And I got it less after jump dodge. So that’s one small factor for why I use the jump dodge. The other being it helps me set up burning speed better.

I do sometimes not use jump dodge, especially if I think it’ll be better for the situation at hand. Maybe you and I can do an official test of evasive arcana screwups?

Both certainly have their place in my opinion. My fingers are just more used to hitting both at the moment rather than just one.

Snakebyte.2804:

Would yall consider d/d ele the strongest wvw roamer right now too? I know it’s different in WVW where stats are more customizable.

Stealth is king in roaming. No, it’s not the best roamer, but it can be very successful. Check out the series of videos I’m releasing of my roaming sessions. My link is in my sig.

John thanks for starting this..

My idea is one I’ve mentioned all over in the past..

Reform scoring to give diminishing returns based on how many people take an objective. Couple this with a de-buff for traveling with above 10 people in a certain radius.

This radius debuff will allow smaller groups to actually matter, and when there’s the ability for skilled fights to take place, smaller servers will actually be able to take on servers larger than themselves.

No… how can having less dodges equal more skilled play?

What would you rather see in a duel? Let’s take a D/D elementalist and a Zerk Mace/X Axe/X warrior.

If you give an ele less dodges, he’ll have no chance.. But if you give him more, he has a better shot..

Your reasoning and your logic are flawed “It can’t be skilled because if you have more, you can just waste them on nothing.” How can you base skill on the people who waste their opportunities?

A skilled person will make perfect use of their dodges. And trust me, in large fights there’s always something large coming at you that deserves a dodge.

LOVE this lol. The elementalist one is so funny about staff spam.

I just want you to know most people say “ele skilled” bout the ele’s ability to use other weapons well.

Still, bravo. The warrior and ele are your best works.

Like I said to this comment of yours on the ele forum.

It’s in a high tier of effectiveness, but you need a good ele to make an impact on a game.

Bad eles will lose to ele counters. Like the D/D necro above.

Celestial ele’s are also strong in 1v1, but that doesn’t really matter in TPvP.

Pocket.2740:

Enjoying the videos Mbelch, looking forward to more.

For what it’s worth, I think your build looks fantastic stat wise.

I’m glad you’re enjoying them. I hope they improve over time. I also hope people realize there’s different sections of video. I’ve been trying to organize them better.

All my videos now have standardized names, playlists to go in and they’re organized better on the front page of this forum topic.

conti.5187:

Op from a pvp perspective dd celestial ele is the strongest thing in the game right now. If played well its an absolute monster.

Don’t get me wrong, celestial in PvP is super strong, but I wouldn’t call it the most overpowered spec. I can name things that take it down.

Now this I can admit.. before the nerf of Pirate Runes the whole doom, pirate rune celestial combo was just ridiculous.

I still think the doom sigil throws it over the top. I believe doom sigil, runes of strength and celestial all need a bit of a shave.

The person who recently was looking for a handout on a “bunker Mesmer” build says regen for ele is too strong.

The person who just ranted about profession QQ’ers in Prof Balace says ele regen is too strong.

Pathetic. There’s nothing wrong with the regen boon on elementalist. We have both the worst life pool and armor pool in the game. Of course we need regen. What planet are you from?

Ah yes planet QQ I can’t beat eles.

I’ve got nothing to add past my resounding NO.

I play a ton of classes, and I play against all classes. There’s nothing about these that aren’t counterable.

I use these on my ele. Just because they’re useful doesn’t mean they’re overpowered.

One gives 6 stacks of might. It’s basically the new bloodlust sigil.

The other improves skilled play by giving dodges. Promote skilled play, don’t kill it.

Maugetarr.6823:

Mbelch.9028:

Lettuce.2945:

LightningBlaze.4913:

I’m surprised nobody has asked you “what’s your build” or did I miss that post? I guess at this stage of the game it is obvious to everyone. Queueage got boring quickly mate. Blade and Soul or Skyforge are the only 2 mmorpg so far that can possibly replace gw2 … if they get released in na. Anyways, nice videos Nex but i were you i would show everyone different type of builds, weapon sets and playstyles. Bunker specs are fun but too easy to perform well as an ele. Most of the time it will be one sided. With more high risk builds it requires much more player’ skills to do just as great even on 1v1. I believe that’s what the community see a lot less.

He runs a similar build to mine when he goes bunker and I had a conversation with him about it like a couple weeks back. He has lower over all stats but it still works for him. I run 2.3k power, 24-25k hp with vit stacks, 38% crit rate, 188% crit dmg, 2.5k armor, 688 condi dmg, and 712 healing power. He runs a mixture of gears like me, I just rounded it out more. The stats I mentioned is with food fyi.

Been running both d/d and d/f in wvw. It’s neat. Anyways, season’s almost over. Expect to see you transferring soon Nex. By the way, nice use of dodging backwards behind enemy’s attack range. It puts their skills on cd. Most players don’t realize this. Nice one mate. And how’s your thumb pad so far? :P

The orb weaver is amazing. I’m still having issues with my attunement swapping, but I’m getting used to it again. See my screwups there at the end of the video which got me killed? Yeah you can thank my new keypad lol.

Also yeah. I like the awesome things you can do with jump dodges. Especially repositioning.

About my gears, yep I’m just below you in attack stats, just above you in some others. I don’t run quite as much toughness.

The orb weaver is an excellent piece of hardware for this game. I don’t know how you set yours up, but having 16-19 being the F1-F4 and 20 being normal weapon swapping works extremely well for me.
11-15 (resting position)= weapon skills
6-10=Utility skills
1-5=Targeting and other random stuff
Joystick for movement (I used to play on consoles a lot more. Old habits die hard)
Thumb-flapthingy=Call target
Thumb button=select called target

Dodge/jump/interact on mouse.

Anyway, that setup (usually) keeps me away from mis-clicks.

Completely agree on how awesome it is! Mine is set up a bit different. I have always used WASD so I’ve got mine set up like that, the directional pad is set up for my F1-4.

I have the thumb pad button below the d-pad is “f” and the one above the d-pad is “jump”

I’ve got my right side column which i use for weapon skills. The left side/middle is WASD. The setup worked on my nostromo, it was just time for an upgrade!

Gotta support this. I’m sad it’s disabled :\.

Lettuce.2945:

LightningBlaze.4913:

I’m surprised nobody has asked you “what’s your build” or did I miss that post? I guess at this stage of the game it is obvious to everyone. Queueage got boring quickly mate. Blade and Soul or Skyforge are the only 2 mmorpg so far that can possibly replace gw2 … if they get released in na. Anyways, nice videos Nex but i were you i would show everyone different type of builds, weapon sets and playstyles. Bunker specs are fun but too easy to perform well as an ele. Most of the time it will be one sided. With more high risk builds it requires much more player’ skills to do just as great even on 1v1. I believe that’s what the community see a lot less.

He runs a similar build to mine when he goes bunker and I had a conversation with him about it like a couple weeks back. He has lower over all stats but it still works for him. I run 2.3k power, 24-25k hp with vit stacks, 38% crit rate, 188% crit dmg, 2.5k armor, 688 condi dmg, and 712 healing power. He runs a mixture of gears like me, I just rounded it out more. The stats I mentioned is with food fyi.

Been running both d/d and d/f in wvw. It’s neat. Anyways, season’s almost over. Expect to see you transferring soon Nex. By the way, nice use of dodging backwards behind enemy’s attack range. It puts their skills on cd. Most players don’t realize this. Nice one mate. And how’s your thumb pad so far? :P

The orb weaver is amazing. I’m still having issues with my attunement swapping, but I’m getting used to it again. See my screwups there at the end of the video which got me killed? Yeah you can thank my new keypad lol.

Also yeah. I like the awesome things you can do with jump dodges. Especially repositioning.

About my gears, yep I’m just below you in attack stats, just above you in some others. I don’t run quite as much toughness.

Hey all. I’ve been doing a couple roaming and advice/help videos lately.

This latest video is fun to watch/listen to. I hope you enjoy it too.

I’ve got a thread in the elementalist forum for requests/questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=wICpFCWkOIo

Seeing the same stuff gets boring. I think that’s the same with everything in life. Tasting the same wine over and over gets boring, too.

If you step away and don’t play or watch D/D for a while, you’ll have more fun when you come back to it.

On a side note, one of my clips (it’s not the best clip) in my latest video is S/F. It’s foreshadowing to a S/F and D/F video I’ll be doing in the future.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I’m surprised nobody has asked you “what’s your build” or did I miss that post? I guess at this stage of the game it is obvious to everyone. Queueage got boring quickly mate. Blade and Soul or Skyforge are the only 2 mmorpg so far that can possibly replace gw2 … if they get released in na. Anyways, nice videos Nex but i were you i would show everyone different type of builds, weapon sets and playstyles. Bunker specs are fun but too easy to perform well as an ele. Most of the time it will be one sided. With more high risk builds it requires much more player’ skills to do just as great even on 1v1. I believe that’s what the community see a lot less.

Thanks!

I knew that game would be awful. No point in hanging up my daggers yet! Glad you’re back for now.

So in these videos believe it or not my gear is mostly zerker. When you’re 1vXing, I find it is best to use my patented variant on the bunker trait set.

You saw S/F in there, so You know I’m working on prepping a video for that. It’s just a very tough weapon set to roam with. Very few escapes. I love 1v1ing and 1v2ing with it. But unfortunately those fights are few and far between.

I will release a variety of videos but this was the next on on my list ^^.

P.S. I’ve gotten asked a lot for the build. I just told people I’ll do some build videos/build help soon enough.

Hey all! Just an update, here’s the next installment of 1vX with Nex. I’ll take requests on what next week’s vid turns out to be, but I hope you all like this.

Like it share it and sub up if you can, please!

If anybody wants any ele advice or any guidance, please comment here, comment on the video or send me a mail. I’ll answer any to the best of my abilities. If I can’t answer it, I guarantee I know someone who can.

These constant “nerf might” threads are obnoxious. If you have a problem with it, there’s a sigil that targets might first, and there’s three classes which easily remove might, a fourth which targets it first (guardian).

Nerfing might won’t help diversity, it’ll kill it.

If you want to rephrase your request, let’s nerf strength runes… Now we’re talking. Strength runes are an awful April patch addition.

Nicely done.

My only suggestion is keeping dueling/roaming separate.

Necrotize.2974:

For all the people suggesting a nerf to might because it makes cele more powerful. Might is not exclusive to people with Celestial builds, anyone can do it. Which also means that if you nerf how might works, you are slightly hurting those celestial builds, and really crippling any other build that relies on might but doesn’t use celestial. I mean, boonstripping is a thing for many classes. Watching an ele or engineer get to 20 might stacks then sending them into the void can really screw them over. Pretty much any class can have access to might, and the intended draw back of this is that Might isn’t permanent like your amulets and runes are. Might can be stolen(believe me, you don’t want a zerker mesmer stealing 20 stacks of might from you), corrupted and stripped and it has a duration.

Celestial is really powerful, IF you can maintain access to a wide variety of boons. This almost always requires building around obtaining boons and always keeping on eye on what boons you have during fights. This encourages more active play and gaining specific boons in reaction to things, instead of just at random times when the skill is off cd.

Saying something is OP just because with active play and proper boon management(which can be shut down by 1-2 boon targeting skills) it is very strong seems like you just want every class to be some variation of each other, just with less health and more damage or less damage and more health.

I very much agree with this. Thank you for posting.

FLiP.7680:

I got one stuck on a stupid WvW weapon. ¬¬

> Anet, let us salvage those kitten wvw gear for sigils and runes. No need of mats.

Upgrade extractor.

I’m happy that there’s respectful conversation happening in the thread. Here’s some replies to what I’ve heard and feel needs responding to:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

celestial stat / pvp amulet is fine.
leave it alone.

might giving 35 power / condition damage is fine as well.
leave it alone.

the complaints comes from people who cry because they cannot / refuse to remove the might boon.

this is really a rocks scissors papers issue.

proposed remedy:
- improve generic boon removal options
- improve sustain of boon removal professions (necro, mesmer, thief, guardian)
- improve boon removal capabilities of boon removal professions

warriors can be good at stacking might, because warriors
- do not enter stealth on their own
- do not create clones on their own
- do not have animal companions
- do not summon undead minions
- do not enter death shroud
- etc

i.e. might stacking is one of the profession mechanics of warriors.

as for ele, i dun play an ele so i will not comment on that.

I very much agree with you. Why I posted this thread is what I think would be preferable, or at least to discuss what would be preferable if ANet does nerf celestial. Otherwise I do agree.

dancingmonkey.4902:

How does it make it OP now if it wasn’t before the patch? You keep implying that some how it has become a problem since 9/9. Would you care to explain how?

Talking about the April patch. Nothing even happened in 9/9 other than for rangers……..

Lotus.9746:

mmmm Popcorn.

I’d thought I would share a build too! (I don’t actually use it though, kitten celestial)
And QQ Anet y u add +10 base stats.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJAoYhMMqc25wwBf0AhAB5tGjCKHfvC-TlSSwA20C8VFBoqCISJ4ElQaVrJjSDKKTopDAw+DBAQAuZbGADdoDdoDdodzbezbO0bOAoF-w

I used this build almost exactly for a long time. Quite a good setup.

Wyrden.4713:

Mbelch.9028:

Wyrden.4713:

Mbelch.9028:

You have to learn to dodge the key shatters/setups. One of the biggest issues is powelock Mesmers if they’re using the interrupt spec…. Then you’re kittened. There’s a Mesmer I know who can run this, and I hate using this term, but it is a direct counter in the truest sense.

powerlock mesmers r all weak, powerlock is a terrible trait anyway (actually its good but going 30 into top line u cant either take deceptive evasion or chaotic interrupt

especially against s/f eles powerlock is useless cause most skills arent telegraphed at all > mesmer has to hope for lucky interrupts

shatter mesmers got a waaaaay higher chance of winning against s/f eles than lockdown mesmers

I have a bud who does lockdown, shatter. I’d be happy to introduce you!

I haven’t fought him particularly as a S/F ele. So I can’t speak to it.

I have fought him as D/D. It’s not possible to win.

thats why i said s/f ele, cause scepter on its own has tons of instahit dmg

most ppl know what d/d eles r gonna do , therefor they r easier to beat (if mesmer for example), meanwhile s/f is mostly instant hits- tons of different combos, meaning the enemy cant interrupt it

and both shattermesmer and lockdown mesmer counter d/d eles cause d/d eles rely too much on boons,and both mesmer types consist of heavy boonrips

Quite right. I will say that S/F ele can be interrupted pretty easily by people who know what to look for. Auto attacks are the main culprit as they’re a good way to augment damage and are all casted, but yeah I love the instant casts.

Veleron.3127:

My current stats

34% crit, 2.1k armor, 2k power, 300 healing, 183% crit damage, 17.5k health

Only my 6 main gear pieces are exotic the rest are rare so these stats will only increase even by a few…

Do you need some money? I’d be happy to fund full exotic for you.

In my opinion, you should bump your armor a bit and try to bump your crit dmg. Otherwise those stats are pretty darn decent.

LordByron.8369:

I put one more celestial trinket for mistake (i use only armor, 1 ring and 1 earring, the other celestial is berserker) i have many trinkets i put one more cele instead of zerker in the build for mistake.

For anything else i just readed 1 reason why the build would be wrong, and was clearly wrong not factoring the relation between sigils, traits and stats.

The part about celestial is another void l2p that just suggest (i may be wrong) the usual wrong idea that WWW roaming and PvP have anything in common..

@mbelch Watched your video…
I don t want to offend you.
You say my build is for beginners….and “dumb”

You post a video with a build that deals less than half the dps, against players in zerg builds uncapable of using CCs…..

I stopped to use your builds more than 1 year ago and i explained why (try to 1vs1 a DECENT thief doing that pitiful damage….).

But after 2 years i should ve learned how the forums works.

P.S. oh i saw your post about celestial…now i can be 100% sure you never tried them in WWW and on t ave an idea of the stats difference between pvp and WWW.
30-40% FYI that is why you can t get the DPS problem.

Don’t have to worry about offending me! I have zero respect for what you say after two years of reading the nonsense you post. No offense of course.

The build I use doesn’t have half the DPS. You’re saying my 5k fire grabs are 10k fire grabs in your build? I can guarantee you’re not doing that on anybody but noobs. And I can hit the same on noobs.

I have used celestial. I have used full zerk. In WvW and PvP. I think celestial can be superior for 1VX. But you can’t act like you did some huge amount of work and calculation for your generic celestial build that just goes 20 into air. Every build has been done before, so no build is “special” any longer. Especially since Serane gave away a build which I feel is top tier and secret among the smaller elementalist talking circle.

Best of luck.

Wyrden.4713:

Mbelch.9028:

You have to learn to dodge the key shatters/setups. One of the biggest issues is powelock Mesmers if they’re using the interrupt spec…. Then you’re kittened. There’s a Mesmer I know who can run this, and I hate using this term, but it is a direct counter in the truest sense.

powerlock mesmers r all weak, powerlock is a terrible trait anyway (actually its good but going 30 into top line u cant either take deceptive evasion or chaotic interrupt

especially against s/f eles powerlock is useless cause most skills arent telegraphed at all > mesmer has to hope for lucky interrupts

shatter mesmers got a waaaaay higher chance of winning against s/f eles than lockdown mesmers

I have a bud who does lockdown, shatter. I’d be happy to introduce you!

I haven’t fought him particularly as a S/F ele. So I can’t speak to it.

I have fought him as D/D. It’s not possible to win.

Sagat.3285:

Might is the MAIN thing making those cele specs stand out from attempt of other classes….How can you not go for that first? Every turn around might seems like a personal fear that is not helpful,just go straight.

I can’t make sense of what you’re saying in the latter half of your statement, but I can say I don’t feel like might is the main issue.

Might makes celestial overpowered, yes. But it didn’t before the patch. So in my opinion, if it was working before, kill off what makes it out of balance now.

So no, nerfing might and might stacking is silly.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Mbelch.9028:

If the builds weren’t OP before celestial buff, and are after it, then the issue isn’t with the builds. You’re just killing those builds being used with anything else. That’s a mistake.

Most people here are saying there isn’t a problem with celestial, but if you ask anybody what’s OP in game they say “celestial engineers, eles.” So what gives here?

The builds before celestial are not the same builds thay were used before it came into play. I feel some people not being aware of that fact, is where the disconnect in views of the issue come from.

I can’t speak for engineer, but for elementalist, you’re wrong. There was one new build post patch. That build still isn’t in heavy rotation.

It’s the same build sets.

And might doesn’t need a nerf, if anything might shouldn’t bump condi dmg either. That one makes very little sense to me.

If the builds weren’t OP before celestial buff, and are after it, then the issue isn’t with the builds. You’re just killing those builds being used with anything else. That’s a mistake.

Most people here are saying there isn’t a problem with celestial, but if you ask anybody what’s OP in game they say “celestial engineers, eles.” So what gives here?

Was tossing this around the other day with some people.

An easy way to balance Celestial gearsets in PvE an PvP is to remove condition damage from the set.

That still makes it the highest stat distribution gear set, but it removes the ability to go over the top with condition damage.

I think nerfing might is a mistake, as that’s an active process. If anything active processes like stacking might should be encouraged.

Anyways, I know there will be dissenters, so go ahead and dissent, but for the peeps who think this is a strong idea, please let me know.

Here: shoot for some of these numbers and then you can say you theory crafted your own build.

30% crit chance, 2500 armor, 2000 power, 3-500 healing power, 185% crit dmg or more. 15k or more health.

Those are some benchmarks that make you strong.

LordByron.8369:

Yes i can.
Removing ferocity and precision.
At that point the build won t work anymore…. and you should ve noticed it needs precision to work.

Why should I?
might+guard+ruins bonus push my power high enough

As i said i have lot of equip available for tests, and i already fine tuned it for WWW.

Instead of theorycrafting why don t you simply try to put an air sigil air trait 3 and similar stats?

Soldier builds lacks damage burst(that can be obtained through many fast Attacks).

I wouldn’t call it fine tuned. You’re full celestial with a little zerk added in. I have this set. I have a lot of other sets as well, though.

I have them in full ascended and I can say the full celestial set will be more effective for the lesser skilled people. But it’s fun for when you are 1vXing.

It’s a dumb set to duel with.

You have to learn to dodge the key shatters/setups. One of the biggest issues is powelock Mesmers if they’re using the interrupt spec…. Then you’re kittened. There’s a Mesmer I know who can run this, and I hate using this term, but it is a direct counter in the truest sense.

So much misinformation and so many complainers in this thread. The OP asked a legitimate question and some of you trolls chucked garbage at him… Kind of sad.

Celestial is overpowered at the moment. But celestial elementalists are easily defeatable. I do it all the time, as an ele who doesn’t frequently use celestial.

Kiting them is key, so is the use of chill, immobilize and cripple. We have a hard time countering both hard and soft CC.

They’re weak to necros, engies and anybody who can outskill them by dodging their CC and minimizing the Burns.

Yay. And I’d just like to say thank you guys for helping the FEAR channel get to 1000 views in a week. That’s pretty impressive IMO.

I’ll have another 1vX video coming out next week, and the week after, I believe I’ll focus on ‘Matchups, know your weaknesses and how to approach them.’

I’ll eventually do build videos where I show what I use and what I think is optimal, but can’t use.

I smell a little revival of the FEAR guild!!!

Lettuce.2945:

Nice job but when are you bumping down to our server? Not that I’m in a rush to roam together because that would be a painful experience for our opponents. :P. Anyways, keep the videos coming. Fun to watch during my breaks after a long work session.

Thanks hehe. Heidia also said there’s great roaming down there. I’ll be bumping down soon hopefully! After seasons are over.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Oh yea I just noticed you aren’t using lightning flash anymore. Is it because of the burning speed nerf or are you just too pro for it

Good question. I’d never say I’m too pro for anything. I’m a scrub! Lol but I think lightning flash is super useful, but it’s a crutch. It is good for movement and combining five D/D skills, but it is too buggy.

I won’t put my life in the hands of something that sometimes sticks me into the ground or pretends to teleport me but puts me back in the spot I was trying to get out of lol.

Necrotize.2974:

Just something I noticed, you don’t use Cleansing Fire very often. You used it once out of all 3 fights from the last video. Now it could just be that the 2v2 you had wasn’t applying heavy conditions, but still, having it off cd for an entire match seems like a bit of a waste, especially when condi-clears are so common for D/D eles via attuning to water, water 5, and dodge roll in water.

Love the videos though. Hope you make more.

I’m glad someone pointed this out. I always have that on my bar. Even if I don’t use it, I need that condition out. Thats an ele weakness right there. Believe it or not, though we can clear a steady stream of conditions, every 10 seconds with water attunenment, we’re very susceptible to a condi bomb. I saved it because at any moment I could get blind and burn from the guardian, immob, bleed, chill, weakness and poison from the ele. In said situation I would definitely use it.

But you are right. I save that as my oh kitten button.

MightyMicah.7451:

Not to mention you’ve got constant vigor upkeep. Why not use a few dodges? A dodge unused is a dodge wasted.

Have to use them. If your bar is full, you’re crippling yourself.

Gokil.2543:

Mbelch.9028:

Gokil.2543:

Mbelch.9028:

Hey guys,

Got a surprise video for you. The first team fight my guild FEAR has done in months, so I thought I’d bring back in black back in style! (Who am I kidding, when did AC/DC ever go out of style lol.)

We just had some friendly 2v2s with a couple of decent players. (The guardian was one of the best I’d seen since Aldix.)

Anyways. Like it, comment on it, share it! I hope you enjoy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4dGKojiJA3k

scath.9814:

Enjoyed the vids very much! I may be the only one, but I find the red of your text overlay a bit difficult to read. I look forward to seeing more though. Cheers!

You were not the only one! I will change it. I appreciate your support. Keep tuning in. I’m going to try to make a teaching video every other week.

I’ve been thinking this for a while, but you NA folks are truly obsessed with the ‘best’ players at everything. None of the players in this video made any significant plays, and team synergy plays were non-existent.

Also, stop with the random (jump) dodges please. It’s not fun to watch.

Well I very much disagree about the zero team play statement. Nobody was on voice coms, so it was just a for fun thing. It was entertaining and refreshing to not have to take things so seriously, so I don’t know why that’s a bad thing.

Also, I don’t random dodge. The only random dodge in there that was actually a mistake was the double dodge through churning earth. I thought I messed up my timing, and I thought better safe then sorry. I also dodge after people get downed just to cancel my stomp that I sometimes trigger. Otherwise, I have a purpose behind just about every single one.

Sorry you don’t like them, but I enjoy that method of dodging.

You didn’t blast a single water field in all these fights. Not just that, you hardly ever healed your engi, nor gave him protection or anything. No effort was made on either team to set up any kind of burst combos, most basic one would have been for the guardian to gs pull you in at the end of the ele’s churn, since he had a binding blade on you at the time.

Name me one worthwhile example of team play in that fight.

This really wouldn’t bother me that much if you didn’t choose to advertise this video as being vs ‘one of the best guardians’ and such.

The dodge remark is from the POV of a viewer, not a critic. It genuinely is hard to watch the video because of it imho.

He blasts the water field each time. His is the responsibility for his field. I give him might, and I CC and distract for him. He doesn’t need heals, he has 10k every time his turret is up.

Anyways, I never said he was one of the best guards. He’s just comparable to aldix. Man you’re taking things very harshly.

One worthwhile example of team play? Setting up a churning earth and him immobilizing someone in it. Team play to create the damage. Or when we are all clumped up and I use shocking aura to give him room.

We played a lot more rounds than what you see here, I just liked these three.

Completely agree about breathing room. It’s all about positioning. I use dodges all the time to set up burning speed. And I’m far more accurate for it.

Simon.3794:

Gotta say, the intro is pretty sick

Gosh thank you. I spent so long on it, I thought everybody was going to hate on it! Lol. MUCH appreciated.

Cecilia.5179:

Those videos were very impressive. I simply do not compare on my ele.

Thank you!!! If you want to work on ele skills, just PM me! I’d love to help.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Gotta get some popcorn for this, you two are such great players that was really entertaining to see the synergy from both of ya. If only I had more time I would add a charr Mesmer to the mix :/

Buddy if I didn’t know you, I’d have to say that was sarcasm! Thankfully I know it isn’t, and thankfully someone saw the little bits of team play coming through from us. It’s easy to just say negative things lol.

You’re welcome to join our party/team/guild any day. We could use a shattering charr Mesmer every time!

Gokil.2543:

Mbelch.9028:

Hey guys,

Got a surprise video for you. The first team fight my guild FEAR has done in months, so I thought I’d bring back in black back in style! (Who am I kidding, when did AC/DC ever go out of style lol.)

We just had some friendly 2v2s with a couple of decent players. (The guardian was one of the best I’d seen since Aldix.)

Anyways. Like it, comment on it, share it! I hope you enjoy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4dGKojiJA3k

scath.9814:

Enjoyed the vids very much! I may be the only one, but I find the red of your text overlay a bit difficult to read. I look forward to seeing more though. Cheers!

You were not the only one! I will change it. I appreciate your support. Keep tuning in. I’m going to try to make a teaching video every other week.

I’ve been thinking this for a while, but you NA folks are truly obsessed with the ‘best’ players at everything. None of the players in this video made any significant plays, and team synergy plays were non-existent.

Also, stop with the random (jump) dodges please. It’s not fun to watch.

Well I very much disagree about the zero team play statement. Nobody was on voice coms, so it was just a for fun thing. It was entertaining and refreshing to not have to take things so seriously, so I don’t know why that’s a bad thing.

Also, I don’t random dodge. The only random dodge in there that was actually a mistake was the double dodge through churning earth. I thought I messed up my timing, and I thought better safe then sorry. I also dodge after people get downed just to cancel my stomp that I sometimes trigger. Otherwise, I have a purpose behind just about every single one.

Sorry you don’t like them, but I enjoy that method of dodging.