Guild Wars 2

LordByron.8369:

Mbelch.9028:

I’m sorry, but I am like rank 30 in PvP, and I only get there through funning with my friends. I don’t know how my own personal feelings on what I would like to see changed at this point had anything to do with your or how they gave you the impression that I play PvP more than I roam.

tried pvp few times, saw what its about, left and never looked back.
(i comes from years of competitive PvP games, with world live tournaments like… i still don t like mmorpgs pvp expecially capture point)

But WWW roaming is a different thing.
The balance is a joke…some profession are way Beyond OP and yet they are ignored because “in pvp they can’t capture point so easily”.

WWW doesn t force you to sit in a circle/square, nor gives you points if your opponent disengage.

You have to actually kill your opponent and if he is able to disengage/engagé at will, the profession with the least mobility AND longer cooldown is in a bad position.

There is infact a reason why Bunker is not viable for solo roaming for example while is extremely strong in PvP.

Since release the nerfs against Bunker eles are hitting hard balanced/offensive ele more than the bunker ones.

One year ago we had more build+role variety than today in www, and NO build was OP.
The video of daphoenix KITING 10 newbies was just a test to see if people notices the mistakes of attackers (not even Dungeon bosses with the awful AI ignores players to focus on an earth elemental really)……

I’m going to remove myself from this.. I was a respected roamer when eles were at their lowest point. I was one of the respected ele duelists and I still roam and duel when I can find time.

I don’t need to be spoken to like I don’t comprehend roaming. I only have this to say. If you have trouble roaming with an elementalist, it is your fault. We are a strong and viable class.

Well the mobility kills it in roaming. Honestly I’d completely switch it up and make a skill a teleport skill.

You could make it fire 5, either air skill, or tack it onto the end of water 5.

Another unique option is turning earth 4 into an invulnerability & stealth skill, you’d just have to drop the blast finisher.

Another very unique option is adding a few different fields to the skills. A few fields and you don’t have to add stealth to earth 4.

I love the focus, but I still say it needs a bit of work. It needs just a little extra mobility. One skill.

LordByron.8369:

Mbelch.9028:

Without being drawn into /any/ arguments, I can confidently say I’d like to see the following balance for elementalists and the game that they are in:

*Nerf to strength runes

already done

The nerf clearly wasn’t enough. I’ve yet to duel an ele who doesn’t ask “Lol why aren’t you using strength runes.” It was a small nerf you saw, I’m asking for more.

*Nerf to celestial gear

already done

Celestial wasn’t nerfed. Anybody with a spreadsheet on effectiveness and damage would know that it was indirectly buffed when it was supposedly “nerfed”.

*Changes to the way churning earth fires off; it should be manual and scaled by how long you charge the skill for

would still be useless

You’re trolling me now. In what way would a skilled move be useless.

Ele is in a pretty great place right now thanks to the last patch. I’d just like to see some of the things that make the skill floor so low disappear.

Pvp is not the only game mode.
I still have to see anything but thief, warrior and PU mesmer viable for WWW roaming. and no ELE is not viable…. You can roam even with a PVT necro obviously but that doesn t change the huge efficience disparity with other professions.

Last ferocity nerf and boon runes nerf was a big hit to a profession already struggling.

WWW has only staff eles in zergs (slightly OP but the lag balance them making them totally unplayable in bigger fights).

In PvE, ele gameplay is a joke based on stacking traits.
Its efficient but it actually promotes the opposite off what an ele should do…. (sit in fire and 5121212151212121 etc or conjure a hammer and 1111111 other weapons exists for stacking might ooc -.-).

pvp “balance” damaged GW2 since release i don t want to see any more PvP nerfs ruining other gamemodes.

GW2 won t be an esport….if they want to balance pvp just split pvp skills.

I’m sorry, but I am like rank 30 in PvP, and I only get there through funning with my friends. I don’t know how my own personal feelings on what I would like to see changed at this point had anything to do with your or how they gave you the impression that I play PvP more than I roam.

Now to get on the track where you indicate ele is a broken class.. I don’t know if we are playing two different versions of the game, but I have great success on my ele even to this day where I don’t play as much.

This isn’t really a struggling class to me. If you have different opinions, that’s fine, but don’t make assumptions about me/the way I play from a forum post.

LightningBlaze.4913:

Mbelch.9028:

WvWers are the ones who test the largest variety of builds. If you’ve played a crazy build, likely it came from someone who did more WvW.

In WvW, you don’t particularly have to think about points, teammates and defined roles. You make your own roles.

Essentially, SPvP has more limitations for builds, WvW dueling/roaming/zerging doesn’t. You can spec for what you want.

I’m not advocating either, and I’m also not saying one specific archetype of build variety is superior over another.

I believe certain builds perform better in certain situations, but people should be able to play what they want without being flamed for it.

You surprised me Mbelch. It very well said. I never expected this sort of respond from the Mbelch I knew a few months back. I salute you. For everyone else my intention was never to flamed the player. I’m criticizing the build gameplay on how forgiving it is on small scale battles like 1v1. Of course it plays a major support role but that wasn’t the topic I initialized and already finished responding to…..starting now lol.

As my signature denotes, I took some time off to let my personal grudges go away as much as I could lol. I wasn’t meaning you flaming any particular person here, I meant in game where no matter if I play a cheese build for 10 minutes for fun, an underpowered build or a very skillful build, I am flamed by at least one person who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

WvWers are the ones who test the largest variety of builds. If you’ve played a crazy build, likely it came from someone who did more WvW.

In WvW, you don’t particularly have to think about points, teammates and defined roles. You make your own roles.

Essentially, SPvP has more limitations for builds, WvW dueling/roaming/zerging doesn’t. You can spec for what you want.

I’m not advocating either, and I’m also not saying one specific archetype of build variety is superior over another.

I believe certain builds perform better in certain situations, but people should be able to play what they want without being flamed for it.

Neko.9021:

Mbelch.9028:

I’m sorry what is skill bar?

I’m taking it is some new vlog like point of interest but more combat focused?

Can anybody link me some reading material?

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/4743783
Starts at 17:25

Thanks, Neko. Can always count on a fellow ele.

I just wanted to note in light of Mark’s dev post recently about necroing threads.

This thread definitely shouldn’t be considered a necro. Although it has gone dormant for periods at a time, it has stayed very active.

Please anet, just give engineers their little check boxes and this very old thread can be put to rest.

I’m sorry what is skill bar?

I’m taking it is some new vlog like point of interest but more combat focused?

Can anybody link me some reading material?

Without being drawn into /any/ arguments, I can confidently say I’d like to see the following balance for elementalists and the game that they are in:

*Nerf to strength runes
*Increased relevancy to the grandmaster in fire, improvements along the earth line
*Nerf to celestial gear
*Decreased cool down on fire grab, various focus 4 and 5 skills.
*Changes to the way churning earth fires off; it should be manual and scaled by how long you charge the skill for

Ele is in a pretty great place right now thanks to the last patch. I’d just like to see some of the things that make the skill floor so low disappear.

Venus In Furs.9756:

Chaotic.9742:

There’s still time for me to be saved from ranger (please save me?).

I figure most people are voting for ranger because 1) there’s a dearth of people streaming high level ranger gameplay, or 2) they want you to be miserable. To help you avoid the latter, I voted for thief—from two different IPs.

Fine, here come my 5 IP’s all for ranger.

And being a guy with a ranger, I can say ranger is disadvantaged enough to provide a skillful player with the right platform to do something special on stream.

Yikes. I wonder if there will be an updated dev response on this. It’s not a good thing to say your game isn’t ready and will be receiving more features then never put out more features.

John, I just have to say thanks for taking the time and effort to answer some of our meager questions. As someone who does tend to flip items when I can make educated guesses on what to flip, I take great interest and often read this sub forum .

I’m also a person who has had a monopoly on an item for a time. It’s quite profitable, but I’m curious (and yes, this is my question) as to if you/your team does anything if it notices a monopoly; I.E. one or two people working in tandem to control a price.

My followup is: has this been an issue insofar that you’ve noticed it and had to take action?

Thanks for your time again, and here’s two notes—
-As a journalist by profession, my follow-up might seem redundant but it is necessary.
-As a reader of this forum, I appreciate your sometimes snarky responses to those who earn them. I’ll never likely earn one, but if I did, I’d add it to my signature.

Haha. Sorry my man, had to vote on ranger for you. I don’t watch streams, but I’d watch that nightmare. I’ll hit you up next time I’m back on lol.

ConRae.3526:

Mbelch.9028:

So I never said he was a great thief… I said other people frequently say it. Look here, look in SPvP threads. I don’t think he is. I think he’s decent at PvP, nothing more.

Also, I think what XPGAMER is saying is why should a community need a guide to such an easy weapon set? That’s like giving a warrior a guide to greatsword.. And he wasn’t trolling you, he was poking fun at my numbering system. Look between the lines, bud.

If the thief community wanted guidance, it would ask. He has ample opportunity to provide it where someone asks for it in a thread. This is just a phishing attempt for attention.

D/P is fast to get decent at, sure, but there is more depth to it and Caed would be the person to be able to do that. XPGAMER was trolling me or else he wouldn’t have quoted me, he would’ve quoted you. So if Caed doesn’t want to answer forums posts but wants to create a guide for the community it’s a phishing attempt for attention? He can’t create a guide for the sole purpose of creating a guide?

In my opinion, yes it is. Feel free to disagree. If I were to make a guide about the finer things about ele play, I wouldn’t ask if people wanted it. I’d just do it.

ConRae.3526:

Mbelch.9028:

I’m only coming off as a hater to people who are already settled on D/P being a respectable weapon set. You would be one.

To address point B, the OP isn’t a great thief like so many people think. He’s efficient at using the easiest weapon set. In duels, he doesn’t stay within fair bounds, when he is in danger he just runs away. I don’t have an opinion one way or another about him, but having fought and killed him, I’m not really impressed. I can’t kill thieves that I would rank in the highest of high tiers.

Try to fight Kronos Xnm with any weapon set and then chat with me here.

For my own last point in this chat, XPGAMER is anything but a troll. He’s one of the more skilled thieves who plays. Ask anybody who is in the dueling scene.

I didn’t say he was a great thief, you did; he is one of the better thieves whether you admit that or not. Okay, bring a story that has no background at all to discussion, what’s your point, I can kill Caed too if I get the jump on him. I’ve also never heard of Kronos, doesn’t mean that I think he’s bad, just saying I’ve never heard or seen him play.

XPGAMER.7324:

Umm… Not attacking you. Also thief doesn’t exactly have rotations, we use the skill best for each situation due to initiative, our next skill isn’t dependent on the skill previously used. I also said that was “Most” of the guide, as in that’d be the gist of it, he could probably go into more detail and make it sound more intelligent. For example, rather than “spam blind to avoid damage” he could say “Tactically use blind on your opponent to mitigate their damage”. Either way, it’s the same concept. Maybe make a guide to tpvp instead, because d/p is very self explanatory.

That’s why you trollishy said:

XPGAMER.7324:

A. I use letters instead of numbers too sometimes

2. I can switch back to numbers whenever I kitten well please

III. No one said I can’t use roaming numerals

By rotations, I didn’t mean skill rotations, sorry, I meant rotating effectively around the map wherever need be. Adding more detail does nothing, I’d rather have a guide explain it cut and dry, you don’t need to add fluffy words. I’d welcome Caed to create any guide that he wants, he’s been around long enough to have some good wisdom. You don’t see many other people that have been around as long as he has put out guides do you? So why attack him for trying to help the community and give some guidance?

/rant

So I never said he was a great thief… I said other people frequently say it. Look here, look in SPvP threads. I don’t think he is. I think he’s decent at PvP, nothing more.

Also, I think what XPGAMER is saying is why should a community need a guide to such an easy weapon set? That’s like giving a warrior a guide to greatsword.. And he wasn’t trolling you, he was poking fun at my numbering system. Look between the lines, bud.

If the thief community wanted guidance, it would ask. He has ample opportunity to provide it where someone asks for it in a thread. This is just a phishing attempt for attention.

TheThiefMaster.3812:

panicbutton.1053:

XPGAMER.7324:

5. I don’t think a guide will change that, I mean theres a reason that the player chose d/p. It’s the easiest of any thief weaponset to learn, I don’t see much of a reason for a guide.

6. What do you intend to teach in the guide? 5 1 1 1 2 1, interupt with 4, 3 is gap close, 2 when their low. When your health gets low, heal. Stunbreak out of stuns. Don’t miss your mug. Sorry if I spoilled most of the guide for you

For point six, you pretty much nailed it, but you make it sound terrible. There’s large variations of moves that D/P’s are capable of achieving, especially with SB for offhand. All of the weapon skills are viable for D/P and have their place in a fight. You have access to dazes, stealth, blind, and the ability to remain glued to a target. Again, D/P uses all of it’s skills. My question is though, how do you feel about D/D then? D/D is even easier imo — You land CnD and go for a backstab, then occasionally heartseeker…That’s it. I love D/D and occasionally play it, but it’s pretty two dimensional and slow gameplay. Everything D/D does, D/P can do better. There is a big reason why S/D and D/P are used prominently.

For point five, are you implying that D/D is harder to learn?

D/D may not be harder to learn per se but it sure as hell is harder to play than D/P . i’ve roamed with both its way easier to stay alive with D/P than any other set we got.

Keep in mind I’m not arguing build vs build I’m just talking weapon sets as they are.

This is completely right. I very much respect a thief that can one versus one me with D/D.

ConRae.3526:

Mbelch.9028:

Nimrud.5642:

I’m voting for it too. Ignore the haters. They are lazy to do it themselves, so they troll.

I’m really hoping D/P will be buffed soon – so making this guide becomes an un-wasted effort. Who knows what the nerf/buff-rollercoaster brings us after the next turn.

A. I’m not a hater, I merely am an observer. I have seen these D/P thieves routinely fail at anything but surviving. They only kill when it’s 2v1 or when vs a bad player.

B. The best thieves in the game scoff at d/p.

C. If the buff/nerf coaster took away pistol for thieves I think the world would be much better off.

A. You’re coming off as a hater. The D/P thieves you’ve seen fail are bad then, and like I’ve said before, in the right hands D/P is top tier. A thief’s role in sPvP is to be, but not limited to, a roamer and help out teammates wherever they need help. Which is turning a 1v1 into a 2v1 in your favor, then leaving to go help elsewhere.

B. A lot of good thieves play D/P, including the OP.

I’m only coming off as a hater to people who are already settled on D/P being a respectable weapon set. You would be one.

To address point B, the OP isn’t a great thief like so many people think. He’s efficient at using the easiest weapon set. In duels, he doesn’t stay within fair bounds, when he is in danger he just runs away. I don’t have an opinion one way or another about him, but having fought and killed him, I’m not really impressed. I can’t kill thieves that I would rank in the highest of high tiers.

Try to fight Kronos Xnm with any weapon set and then chat with me here.

For my own last point in this chat, XPGAMER is anything but a troll. He’s one of the more skilled thieves who plays. Ask anybody who is in the dueling scene.

Nimrud.5642:

I’m voting for it too. Ignore the haters. They are lazy to do it themselves, so they troll.

I’m really hoping D/P will be buffed soon – so making this guide becomes an un-wasted effort. Who knows what the nerf/buff-rollercoaster brings us after the next turn.

A. I’m not a hater, I merely am an observer. I have seen these D/P thieves routinely fail at anything but surviving. They only kill when it’s 2v1 or when vs a bad player.

B. The best thieves in the game scoff at d/p.

C. If the buff/nerf coaster took away pistol for thieves I think the world would be much better off.

There’s no build in the game that requires less skill than a condi mesmer build or a d/p thief build. We can leave everything else alone until those are fixed.

(no worries, condi warriors are high on the list too)

So…. Make a guide for the simplest, and arguably, most hated build in the game?

Haha. Guide away. The game is already in the gutter.

So this bug is with evasive arcana, and I’m posting this to see if anybody else gets it and to figure out if there’s something we can do to avoid it.

The bug is that every so often on a dodge roll after just swapping into an attunement, your evasive arcana spell doesn’t go off and is self-stunned almost. The end of the would be evasive arcana dodge roll also jarrs the character a bit so it isn’t a smooth dodge roll.

I’ve had this happen both in full combat and a not engaged in fighting but in combat form.

LB, I kill each of those on a daily basis, some of which are very good. Some of those I WvW duel on a regular basis, and regularly beat.

I haven’t lost to a Mesmer 2X in a row (sometimes I will lose my first duel vs a Mesmer since their builds are so diverse) since pre-patch.

I’ll just note in an effort to test this (for high level dueling) a friend and I set out to duel with these weapon sets.

Both of us are quite proficient, but neither of us could down one another. So at best; results are inconclusive. At worst; the two are roughly equal.

We also paired up as a roaming duo. We did some awesome things. We regularly courted double and triple our number. What really brought us down in a 6v2 and specifically a camp+5 was the invulnerability on DF. When my partner went invulnerable, instead of the 1-3 that were on me, every single person was focusing the D/D (me). So I could hold out for a while, but we lost my DPS as I was forced into turtling. So we lost a few of those ventures.

My advice is: DF can be a fantastic set, so can DD. It comes down to flavor. You’ll build DD a bit different than DF, but if you go roaming, I’d say do double DD or double DF.

LordByron.8369:

No the issue is Killing something without being full dps.

Once you burnt RTL you are done.
Now achieving permaswiftness requires to put half of your skills on cooldown.

You can t say that fire 2 + rtl is mobility.
You can be outrun by a mesmer with no effort.

Zergs are not an issue.
If they follow you, you already won.

In all truth that’s a you problem. I’m not saying l2p or anything, but I don’t have that issue. I can escape just about anybody to the point that they give up. And that’s without FGS.

I’d love to see how you enforce this. Many thieves bind multiple buttons

It may not get closed. From ALL servers. Not just one. (Therefore not a matchup) congrats on S2 win.

I’ve killed up to 4 lvl 80s in one confrontation. That took a long time and there was a bit of chase involved when I had to retreat a bit and then chase the final runner.

But I can handle most 2v1s and I don’t recall the last time I lost a 1v1 in WvW.

I will lose a duel in Obby every so often, but not many roamers are duelers.

Lol that’s so false. ^

The other person should leave. It’s on you to PM and coach them.

It’s part of what makes the game fun. Stories to re tell. People who sit in the base are reportable for afking.

LordByron.8369:

As i said a D/D ele needs to stay in opponent range.
D/D has what i’d call a small mobility burst.

After last runes change, ele mobility got a huge hit (to achieve permaswiftness we need to burn really important spells on long CD).

Guardian can just CC ele (lack of stability) or ignore it if not dps since won t be able to kill it.

Only exception could be a necro.

I’ve always found ele to be pretty mobile. It can get outrun by warrior and thieves, but as frustrating as that is at times, it’s usually not too bad as you can usually beat them.

The real trouble is zergs so thirsty, they need to kill any roamer they see, and a sprinter war ties you down for the Zerg to catch up.

Well kitten. I wants.

Wanze.8410:

linuxotaku.4731:

Mbelch.9028:

The cartel! Is it me?!

That photo … if you believe it, then it’s easy to believe in people manipulating the market.

But … unless there’s some UI which I don’t know — you can only hold 160 items in inventory, and you can’t sell items not in inventory (e.g. in your bank), which would make it difficult to see a sell screen offering to let you sell 84 Eternitys and 113 Cavalier’s Ceremonial Tridents unless you’ve done some doctoring.

It was a common bug a couple of weeks ago. Multiple people reported to have these items show up in the sell tab, when they opened the tp. However, they couldnt sell those items.

Haha ding ding ding!

I find DD ele to be very mobile.

Aeolus.3615:

Mbelch.9028:

Junkpile.7439:

In war goal is outnumber enemy and kick their kitten. If enemy outnumber you it just mean that you got outplayed. Your idea would just help some lame guilds wipe bigger zergs even if they really aren’t skilled enough to do it.

This is illogical.

60 to 20. 20 ppl really got outplayed.

yet sometimes those 20 will win

Yes. I’m usually the one against the many. ’Twas sarcasm.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Mbelch.9028:

This is illogical.

60 to 20. 20 ppl really got outplayed.

Lol. This is just so wrong. Having more numbers doesn’t mean they out played you. They out numbered you and nothing more. The Zergging in this game is out of control and needs to be fixed when you have BLOBS of like 40-50+ jumping from map to map and just swamping everything because they have ONE thing and that is numbers, isn’t them playing well.

You don’t get sarcasm do you.

Always behind the game I am.

<3 outmanned 2 OP. Plz nerf. Lol

Sicarius.4639:

Mbelch.9028:

Junkpile.7439:

In war goal is outnumber enemy and kick their kitten. If enemy outnumber you it just mean that you got outplayed. Your idea would just help some lame guilds wipe bigger zergs even if they really aren’t skilled enough to do it.

This is illogical.

60 to 20. 20 ppl really got outplayed.

That’s the logic of someone on a server with high enough population to walk every match-up.

Dooood. We 3v1’d you and you lost. Outplayed. How can u not have skyll lyke u$.

Lol. Cancer eles. Eles just beat cancer, please don’t give it to them again.

Why take 1v1 duels with a grain of salt? If everybody in a Zerg ran a successful well rounded 1v1 build, said Zerg would be able to easily take on at least it’s number in size if not more.

Everybody says 1v1 is kitten, but they’re wrong. The game isn’t balanced around 1v1, but it is still a very real part of the game. Ignoring it only kills you in the end. Ozi I know you don’t ignore it, but that’s the truth of the matter

Junkpile.7439:

In war goal is outnumber enemy and kick their kitten. If enemy outnumber you it just mean that you got outplayed. Your idea would just help some lame guilds wipe bigger zergs even if they really aren’t skilled enough to do it.

This is illogical.

60 to 20. 20 ppl really got outplayed.

The cartel! Is it me?!

Id love it too. I don’t think it was a gemstone purchase, but a green skin drop.

I’ve built up enough to insta level a character to 80. I’m waiting for enough to level 3 up to 80 and do no work for it.

I get them as rewards for pvp, so I don’t know why they need nerfing.

I’m about in your position friend wise. Sorry mate.

Might be a little unfair as everybody wants pretty animations, but carighan I’d take anything at this point. Competitive pvp for cash has banned asuras even.

Just ban costumes, instruments and such from COMBAT. Please don’t remove them from WvW. Boy do I miss my harmless broom.

Nerf them or don’t, this is another ele who feels they’re too strong.

There’s a way for every class to remove might(sigils) but I think a perfect build (well rounded) doesn’t throw much weight into boon removal, as removing them is an imperfect science. If you could pick which you removed, then it’d be a different story.

Best alternative is just shave the rune set down by its +7% bonus. It already allows for 25 stacks of might.