Guild Wars 2

Hey, I don’t know if I got it right with the wells. The tooltip shows “3 pulses” does that mean we get 3 weak+1 strong or 2 weak + 1 strong?

Fay.2357:

[/snip]Allow me to quote myself to explain.

Fay.2357:

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Conclusion
Chrono is an interesting specialization, has some strong utilities, useful traits…and is absolutely not going to be the only option.

So much yes! I totally agree with you from what we know at the moment.

We don’t know though if the chonomancy traitline isn’t totally overpowered and replaces a traitline in every build we have.

For health there are 2 options i can imagine:

1. save health on a percentage basis leading to:
   mesmer saves 100% of hp → transforms and takes dmg → loads the “100%” → 100% of the transformations health.
2. save health as absolute number leading to:
   mesmer saves 15k hp → transforms into something with 20k hp. → loads 15k hp

I really hope it’s a method based on percents because there are trolls in WvW and I can tell now that if it is possible to do so, they will Split → Enter Siege Golem → reset hp to 15k-20k hp

900 from the tooltips maybe traitable?

If I saw it right yesterday on the stream the mesmer DID NOT have any shatter effect on himself. This means that we can’t tell if it will work.

The fact that he didn’t have iPersona could be because of BETA or because they made the decision to not make it baseline.

Has anyone records of the stream to tell if I saw it right??

I’m going with the legendary. I know that there will be new ones when HoT is released but I’ve always loved that shield skin so much that I cannot do any different than building the shield and using it from my first day as a Chronomancer. (pic related) oups I’ve finished it a bit too early I guess.

Knox.8462:

I’m thinking:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hero%27s_Shield

Though this would work for a Sylvari:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_of_the_Moon

Basically it has to be small and rounded.

Oh yeah that hero shield’s also quite nice

I’m on my way of building The Flameseeker Prophecies

Until it’s finished I will go with the Chronoshield

Sooo we can cast 3 elite spells… how about 3 times the hounds of balthazar?

“I swung a sword, I swung a sword again Hey! I swung it again, that’s great”
“I dropped a time warp, I dropped a time warp again Hey! I dropped a time warp again, that’s great

Menaka.5092:

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

hmm you guys does make a good point, continuum is probably not the best skill to use when dying.

10/10 would die again.
presses F5

loled

keenlam.4753:

Me Games Ma.8426:

rchu.8945:

thieves probably will able to steal alacrity, then we are back to where we were again, dead to even faster thief attacks.

you mean quickness right?

Alacrity might end up being a boon. Lets hope its not the case.

“a new effect called alacrity”
They’d write “a new boon” if it’d be a boon.

rchu.8945:

thieves probably will able to steal alacrity, then we are back to where we were again, dead to even faster thief attacks.

you mean quickness right?

I’d say it’s 40% reduction.
1.66…*0.6=1
That would make both negate each other.

Necrotize.2974:

Probably trolling, but even so, can’t use Continuum Shift as a reactionary second life bar like you can with DS. If you eat the burst then try to Shift, its already too late.

That’s what I like most about it! It requires a lot of skill in PvP/WvW to predict the enemies next steps and to tell when the perfect time to cast this spell has come. In PvE you will just be buffed EXTREMLY because you can add some new stuff to your rotation

Could it be that the shift is instant-cast as all shatter skills and we will be able to even use long cast time spells like confusing images with just one second of continuum if we just activate F5 before our scepter channel is finished?
That would make it “safer” to play with long casts you want to reset

Edit: What if you’d do it like this? Start Continuum → Signet of Illusions → End Continuum → Finish Signet of Illusions

Isn’t 66% a bit too powerful? o.O

Fay.2357:

Me Games Ma.8426:

Fay.2357:

Korusef.3714:

From what they said the Shield might be actually better for Zerg tagging than any other weapon at our disposal right now.

Maybe.

Chaos storm base cd = 35s.

Normally, you can phase retreat once through a chaos storm. If you have the staff trait and alacrity, you will be able to do it twice.

Chaos storm —> phase retreat (5s CA) --> phase retreat (5s CA) —> Chaos armor skill (5s CA).

While under the effect of chaos armor, chaos storm at a rate of 2.75 (1s + 35s*.05) seconds per second. This means chaos storm will recharge in 12.72 seconds. At this point you can restart the combo from the top.

12.72s chaos storms are going to be pretty handy for tagging too. I’m thinking sword/shield + staff. Dom, Chaos, Chrono. Wells, Interrupts, alacrity, slow, quickness.

where did you get the number for alacrity?
With stafftrait+CA Phase Retreat only recharges in 7.5s. how can you be sure that alacrity lowers the cd to <5s?

IC drops phase retreat to 8s, CA drops it to 5.5. I’m just assuming alacrity is enough to take off the last tiny bit.

Edit: Oh, but in that setup, you wouldn’t have IC of course. Instead of IC, you’d just rely on other mesmers nearby. If everyone is dropping ethereal fields, it shoudl be fairly easy to maintain close to 100% uptime on chaos armor.

Thanks for clarification Was confused cuz of Dom/Cha/Chr

HE’S FROM THE FUTURE!!

Ross Biddle.2367:

“Second health bar”

or more accurately, resets you to a previous state. So if you activate it with 2k HP’s, eat 1500 damage, then initiate the reset, you go back to a whopping 2k HP’s XD

or the other way! If you have 2k hp and a guy heals you with a blasted waterfield you’ll get back to 2k hp :P

Fay.2357:

Korusef.3714:

From what they said the Shield might be actually better for Zerg tagging than any other weapon at our disposal right now.

Maybe.

Chaos storm base cd = 35s.

Normally, you can phase retreat once through a chaos storm. If you have the staff trait and alacrity, you will be able to do it twice.

Chaos storm —> phase retreat (5s CA) --> phase retreat (5s CA) —> Chaos armor skill (5s CA).

While under the effect of chaos armor, chaos storm at a rate of 2.75 (1s + 35s*.05) seconds per second. This means chaos storm will recharge in 12.72 seconds. At this point you can restart the combo from the top.

12.72s chaos storms are going to be pretty handy for tagging too. I’m thinking sword/shield + staff. Dom, Chaos, Chrono. Wells, Interrupts, alacrity, slow, quickness.

where did you get the number for alacrity?
With stafftrait+CA Phase Retreat only recharges in 7.5s. how can you be sure that alacrity lowers the cd to <5s?

StormHawk.9862:

Fay.2357:

StormHawk.9862:

So you have to go for a shatter build/shatter clones if you take Chronomancer?

Uh. How on earth did you manage to disfigure any of the information released today into this? Nothing even remotely close to that was stated, hinted, or otherwise implied.

Well it mentioned there’s a trait that, when you shatter a skill it gives you alacrity, so I assumed naturally that there would be more traits like that, that require shattering.

That’s like saying “we got a minor in illusions that applies confusion on shatter so i have to go for conditiondamage/shatter when i spec into illusions”

Didn’t they say that that’s not the case? Didn’t they say that phantasm specs would work with chrono as well because of alacrity sharing?

we don’t have a second health bar… we just refill ours…
you’re overreacting. We still don’t know enough to judge if that shatter skill is as op as many think it is…

Gyler.8150:

All those are great suggestions, should be added into the trait “phantasms gain distortion on spawn and when player dodges”.

and without icd pls >.<

Knighthonor.4061:

Gravity Well makes enemies float in the air, and cant move, and allies have increased speed. Take fall damage once done.

That’s why all professions have a falldmg trai. It’s to counter the chronomancer!!

Well we’ve all figured out some in-theory-awesome things now…
Let’s not be awesome but trololing

With quite a good play we could finally claim the “lol i tricked you throne”.

• I’m totally in for the “24k-hp-and-a-second-healthbar-mesmer” which could maybe be a bunker in pvp(?)
• stuff like [F5 → burning all important cds → F5] could also be a thing many players will rage about
• a mesmer with F5 → blink(west) → let them follow → F5 → F5 → blink(east) should be uncatchable for single players. this would be even cooler with a portal
• 100% PU + F5 → mass invis → F5 → SoIllusions → F5 → mass invis → F5 → mass invis 30s stealth?!
• since it does not revert conditions/boons i’d also love it in pair with arcane thievery to laugh at any condi spec

I can imagine some great condition interrupt builds with Mistrust and Tides of Time.

I’m pretty exited about that Shield Skill. Every skill that triggers on enemies passing through it does NOT have a targetcap.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Me Games Ma.8426:

Another thought:
What do you guys think? Will Continuum Shift also restore our Mantra stacks?
Would be VERY awesome!

Nearly positive.

Agony .. Torment.. Pain! Pain!… Pain!. .. Pain!

/roflstomp

Laughed so hard

Another thought:
What do you guys think? Will Continuum Shift also restore our Mantra stacks?
Would be VERY awesome!

Depending on how long the Continuum Split will last and if it works with iPersona i guess shatter burst will be real.
If it’d last 1s it’s be enough for a hard shatter spike (Rota for possible pve shatter)
Continuum Split → Mirror Images → Mind Wrack → Continuum Shift → SoIllusions → Continuum Split → Mirror Images → Mind Wrack → Continuum Shift → Mirror Images → Mind Wrack

This is only a possiblity… we don’t know how exactly this will work.

Gravity Well: Well Create a Well of gravity to periodically damage, slow and cripple your foes and grant your allies swiftness and quickness. When the gravity well bursts knock down foes and buff allies with alacrity.

keenlam.4753:

But I can’t be wrong.

Lol, you mean “But I can be wrong.”?

I get your concerns. What I also find interresting: Will mass invis also grant Mass Reflection? Will Illusion of Life also grant the effect to allies?

Since in compare engi gets 20 new skills in HoT and we only get 9 i’d say suggest them to clear out phantasms for the chronomancer and replace all our 11 phantasm skills with some pve usefull skills (we’d had 20 new than too)

So they told us that we’d get something “as good as” the professions with a 2handed weapon?

New Engi skills:

• 1 new heal + 1 new F1 for that heal
• 4 new utilities + 4 new F* for these utilities
• 1 new elite + 4 new F5 for that and the 3 existing (racial skills excluded)
• 5 weapon skills
• rework of a useless elite skill (mortar) and a not so good heal skill

What’s likely for us to get:

• 2 weapon skills (off hand)
• F5 “a new way to shatter illusions”
• 1 new heal
• 4 new utilities
• 1 new elite
• as far as we know no skill rework for useless skills like mimic

Engi: 20 new Skills + 2 reworks
Mesmer: 9 new Skills + 0 reworks

With their “as good as” they’d have to come up with some really awesome things right?

I really like that HM now increases ferocity. Do you know why?
Ferocity affects our Phantasms. Phantasm damage was never increased by any of those “xy% more dmg” things. NOW it is increased by this trait.
I understand the concerns of it beeing rewarding to wasteful play though.

Hey there mesmers! Of course this is not only for members of OMFG!

We all know that the date of HoT is getting closer and closer. We also know that Guild Wars 2 and escpecially mesmers are buggy as hell! Some things do NOT work as one would expect them to do.
What do mesmers do to know what each skill/trait does? We ask pyro.
But when HoT ships even pyro won’t know all the answers so I’d like to recrute a bunch of mesmer players for NA as well as EU to gather and deliver every information possible to the forums so that pyro may save them in his personal mesmer wiki (aka his head).

Who’s joining me?

~Me Games Ma out

Hopes…
all my hopes so far have been to reduce the passive play. Which phantasms really support. The problem is that we do not have any way to protect our phantasms from damage that 1shots them. (already mentioned above)
The best way to deal with that problem is either to make illusions immune to cleave/aoe in PvE which is totally not going to happen. OR to give us playstyles that do NOT rely on illusions… which is as likely to happen as the first suggestion >.<

I do not know what they are doing with the chronomancer but I know that the time will come when mesmers are meta for dungeons and group content in PvE.

@ OP:
You are right. Here’s a lot qq on the forum and now we even got qq for all the qq. I admit that I also qqed a lot and that I am no better than any other here BUT you made me realize one important thing. QQ does NOT help. It just doesn’t do anything good. Not for Anet (cuz most qq is not constructive) neither for us as a community.
Therefore I call for all you mesmers out there, be more positive it really helps.
If Anet changes stuff we will figure out the best way to play with it.

@ Community
Also I’d like us as a community to be nice to each other. I did not read all the post of this kitten flame war going on on this subforum lately but I’ve read enough to tell you (and I mean ALL of you, NO MATTER WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG) STOP THAT! IT DOES NOT ACHIEVE ANYTHING. If you guys think that it’s funny to insult each other then please do it elsewhere but not on the forums. It pulls down all of us.

We are the mesmers, we should as the class that’s least cared about by anet hold ourselves together and for Lyssa’s sake be a union. We are OMFG!

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

I really like it to be like this.
let’s check all skills with 1 chaosarmor (i bet that’s what anet was dooing cuz the 2nd or 3rd chaos armor is a combo thing which reqires skillful play(i know that’s not true but that’s what i think anet is thinking))

• Phase Retreat
  10s base – 0.5s per second – 2.5s over 5s →7.5s cooldown (0.5s buff)
  double traited:
  8s base – 0.4s per second – 2.0s over 5s → 6s cooldown (stays)
• Phantasmal Warlock
  18s base – 0.9 per second – 4.5 over 5s → 13.5s cooldown (0.9s buff)
  double traited:
  14.4s base – 0.72s per second – 3.6 over 5s → 10.8s cooldown (stays)
• Chaos Armor & Chaos Storm
  35s base – 1.75 per second – 8.75 over 5s → 26.25s cooldown (1.75s buff)

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Me Games Ma.8426:

Miku Lawrence.6329:

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• Master of Frags does nothing?
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As far as I know it just combines the traits “Precise Wrack” “Confusing Cry” “Imbued Diversion” and “Masterful Reflection”

Oh, nice.

But still we’re missing 5% of shatter recharge ! è_é

Don’t take everything on that stream too seriously.
I do not think they will nerf bleeding and torment dmg (which was obviously a thing in that stream).

ATM bleed does 45 base dmg per second; the bleed in the traits deals ~25dmg per second. They are doing a BETA because of that. I guess it’ll be alright.

Edit: Aaaand what skcamow said.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

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• Master of Frags does nothing?
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As far as I know it just combines the traits “Precise Wrack” “Confusing Cry” “Imbued Diversion” and “Masterful Reflection”

IF conditions get a higher stack cap it could become a thing in PvE.
I could really imagine some glassy conditionbased builds using rampager gear.
The thing is that we alone were able to stack bleeding over 25, with confusing combatants it’d be possible to stack confusion as high as well. Now that combined with a reflecting warden may become really powerful. (for reflect we need ferocity though >.<)

IF confusion got a tick (which is likely because of the tooltips of our traits saying “x damage on skill use, y damage”) it seems to have the same damage value as bleeding.

Easy maths: (Per second damage)
Sharper Images (Bleeding)
130/5.25=24.76
Confusing Combatants(Confusion)
78/3.25=24
Mistrust (Confusion x2)
(312/2)/6.25=24,96
Blinding Befuddlement(Confusion x2)
(208/2)/4,25=24,471

Miku Lawrence.6329:

They did not, but stay tuned HoT-wise, one Elite Specialisation gets a blogpost next week! ! please be mesmer

specializations were explained with ele as example so it’s likely to be ele i guess

One point why i really like this new type of trait setup. It’s really easy to tell ppl which u are using.

One could even make it with ^ for the upper, o for the middel and v for the lower trait…

<3 Anet <3

could be irritating for players that start with the game after this update goes live.

i guess there will be no “order” to what traitline is which number anymore since every line will get an icon and not a number just like the different traits.

I do like the idea of abc though

how about saying like this:
Do/Du/Ch-aab/abc/bbc ? would be less irritating i guess