Guild Wars 2

“Power Reaper is very special because it has the highest execute (below 50%) DPS in the game.”

I honestly doubt that. Will your spreadsheed have proof for this?

We killed it too and got to the second boss. Dunno what we had, was more or less a random group. But mostly meta.

Second boss is weird tho…

Oh, please change something about this…

It’s just annoying.

Uhm I am sorry Nemesis, but I was not talking to you. The fact that I quoted AngryBear should make that clear. But in case it is not, let me explain it to you:

He suggested that both sides of this stupid argument make videos to back up that their way is the most efficient. All I said was that one side did show videos of them playing with their prefered style and the other did not, not that they indeed have proof of 20k dps engineer or whatever.

AngryBear.8741:

That is why I said don’t theorize, show it, prove your claim in a simple and objective manner so that everyone understands. I don’t understand why you are against it. If you are right, such test will just confirm it and that would be it.

DnT and Co. provided video after video of record runs over the last years. So “their” side of the argument has their “proof”. Not their fault that no one competed with a necro-and-ranger only team.

And for now, well, the game got a huge update with new instabilitys, elite specs and so on. The meta needs some time to figure itself out, people can only make some educated guesses about whats to come. I doubt that much will change from the current state of the game, but your contest at this time would had no meaning.

People like you and Nemesis are the ones that help creating the very toxicity you want to fight by making YT videos and forum-posts like this. It is laughtable easy to avoid all this stuff in the game itself.

People like you and Nemesis, who don’t understand what “Meta” acually means and where it comes, are a part of the problem.

Nemesis own post about this was closed shortly after he made it, and I hope this one won’t last any longer.

This happend to my necromancer, too. It looks like a bug to me, since i can’t think of a reason for this.

Really annoying. But how do they say? Never play on patchday

“Use Invigorating Precision over No Quarter if more survivability is needed.”

This usually helps a lot.

You can go to Lions Arch and from there to the other races starting areas.

Game was balanced around pvp for 2 years, now we get ONE pve patch and you all cry havoc…

The reason people kick low level/ap player is because they do less damage and are more likely to be unexperienced. Your video disproves neither the one nor the other.

So I don’t really see the point.

Mainhand dagger on necro is a weapon that deals mostly direct damage, while the D/D setup on thief has at least Deathblossom. I think thief is the better choiche for a D/D dot character.

Do you want to play PvE or WvW?

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Only other solution would be to fight him open field.

I don’t see your problem here. That’s exactly what I do most of the times.

I pug arah almost every day and I rarely run into issues with people os’ing Lupi. What you describe happens maybe 1 out of 10 runs (if at all) and I can live with that.

You don’t have to exclude classes, you have to exclude players who want to os, same as if you exclude players who stack and so on…

Bingo.

… oh wait, I thought this was a topic against corner stacking or metazerkers. It sounds exactly the same.

So you get the same advice I give those people. Don’t like it? Don’t do it.

It’s a well known fact that there are many wannabes who copy paste builds from metabattle or DnT and then fail to play them properly, blaming everyone but themself. And if I understand you correct, those are the people you are talking about.

And your quest to reach out to them and theach them the errors of their way to change their mind is a noble one, but you have to ask yourself if your method to do that is suitable.
I had no problem reading your text and I feel no hate towards you for omitting words or adding to many full stops. But on the other hand, I am not really your target, am I? It’s true that kicking a good necro for a bad elementalist is a bad idea, but why are you telling ME this of all people?
The audience you seek is much more likely to dismiss your message for it’s bad presentation, and while this is a stupid thing to do, you have to expect it when you’re trying to talk to stupid people.

To conclude: while your right, I higly doubt that you’ll change anyones mind, either because they already overall agree with you or because your message won’t reach them.

Eirdyne.9843:

- Meta isn’t necessary to do dungeons, but meta is the only thing being done in dungeons.

I don’t do meta. Therefore meta isn’t the only thing beíng done in dungeons. Is this thread a joke?

Eirdyne.9843:

- Farming Iron produces the most consistent income. 2 gold per hour average.

Ah okay, it IS a joke…

The idea is quite simple, even if you are not good in math. Your damage is proportional to your Power. Now if you crit for lets say 100% bonus damage with 50% chanche its the same as if you’d crit with 100% chance and 50% bonus damage, which is an easy to apply 50% increase in damage. And since power is proportional to damage it doesnt matter if you get 50% more power or 50% increased damage.

So with 2463 Power, 48.5% chance and 121.33% (Extra!) damage, you get a so called effective power of:

(The power you normaly have) + (The extra power you get through crits) =
2463 + 2463 × 0.485 × 1.2133 =
2463 x (1+0.485*1.233) = 3912

and for assassins
2274 x (1+0.575*1.233) = 3886

In this case Berserker wins.

You can now modify this formula with average might and if you have fury or not.

Edit: Okay maybe the idea is not so simple, but in the end you take your power, multiply by 1 + your critchanche times your critical extra damage and compare numbers.

tboneking.2531:

Sorry, I excluded that information on purpose because if the traits, utilities, weapons, runes, and sigils are present in both variants, then the damage they contribute should remain constant should it not?

No. If you have for example +100000000 power (somehow), than precision is better, because those extra 200 power are almost not noticable. If you have only 100 Power (again, somehow), then 200 power will triple your damage.

The difference is so minor that details like: Do you have a Warrior with banners? Do you have Might? How much? What about fury? What buff food do you use? become important enough to make a difference.

But in most cases Berserker should come ahead by a bit.

Looks like a heavily stylized version of the t3 cultural armor imo.

I don’t know why this happens, but I can confirm this. Probably an accident fix…

Uhm, other question: Why should we have non instanced dueling in open pve?

Hillarious. Just like throwing random Shadow Refuges as a thief while skipping with stealth in dungeons.

I had really good results with a sword/pistol zerk thief with invigorating precision. It’s not the fastest way, but easy as cake most of the time. p(istolwhip)2w.

So, I am the only one who checked OP’s post history or why has this obvious troll thread 2 pages of replies?

How casual is “very casual PVE content”? Because another very easy build is Pistolwhip with Invigorating Precision. It’s another melee build, I know I know, but range on thief just isnt that awesome.
The good thing about sword/pistol is that you can play it with berserkers armor and still have insane survivability thanks to heal on crit and a lot of evasion and blind, the bad thing is that as soon as you do world bosses or dungeons, it gets a lot harder.

If you do alot of world bosses or have 4 people around you, the sinister venom share build with 2x pistols looks like a good idea, as long as you buff other players with your venoms. You’re really overestimating the survivability you get from Shadows Rejuvenation.

And finally, if you dont do world bosses, but really want a range build, you should go for a power based pistol build. Get survivability from gear and damage from your skill tree. Last time I checked the Ankle Shoot Trait from Critical strikes also gave plus 150 Range when using pistols. By the way, playing two pistols and using steal is in my oppinion a bit awkward to play. I’d probably run something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAV6al0MhCnY3Tw8JQ/EH7E1OASg20PFbRN0frZ4HA-ThyDABS8AAcR9HUVC+z+jyvCOCAAY+7gDCQxXAgP0M8mOACBEaOA-e

The thing about your build is, yep, very hard to kill, but if not dying is your only goal, get nomads gear and a short bow. Or even better, dont leave the city and let him watch you play^^ I dont know your kid, but I would get bored really fast if I’d notice that I don’t do any damage at all. And maybe dying once in a while and feeling useless for 30 seconds is better than feeling useless all the time. But thats just my oppinion.

If he’s usually into melee combat but prefers range only because he dies too fast, I’d suggest a dagger/dagger build based on conditions and venomshare. With dire gear it gets really tanky. Looks something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQRAoY6al8MhmnYRTwpJQ/EHtECv1xi+y3jqDcYBA-TxRAwAaUCC4BAQ5EAwc/hrK/Qq+TO9AECQxcA-e
Cast venoms near to your allies, hop in, cast caltrops, spamm death blossom until out of initiative, get out. Its melee, but its an easy to play melee build and quite tanky. And compared to other defensive thief builds it does very good damage. You get up to 30 stacks poison, 20 stacks vuln and torment and ~25 bleeds. The downside is that in harder dungeons like arah or fractals, a range weapon will still give you more survivability. But for your usual casual pve it should be fine.

For a pure range build you got the right idea. The rune however isnt that good, if you want an auto Oh-****-Button, rune of the vampirism is probably better. And I would replace shadow arts with critical strikes, because pistols and sb dont give enough stealth to justify that trait line.

I think sword/shield should work best with condition damage. Go into Arms and discipline, use gear with condition damage and precision and max bleed duration with krait runes and a low level pizza.

Obviously only works if you like bleeds.

Mysteriax.6049:

Hammer itself has an extremely strong auto attack, so it pairs better with the high power stats of the build than something like the Axe which relies on large critical hits to be effective.

Why do you think that hammer works better with power and axe better with crits?

Of the 16k DPS, how much is physical and how much comes from condition damage?

Oh the irony.

I never cared about ricochet, since for multiple targets, shortbow was at least twice as strong and 4 points into trickery was too much anyway. Now opportunist is gone, but it can be replaced with Quick Pockets, and playing P/P in both weaponsets (instead of sb) actually makes sense. And now I really wish I had a trait that gives my guns a bit AoE damage…

pvtmiller.2641:

…and also on HOW to get some of the gear, because I actually dont have all the stuff in the build….
Also, I didn’t put on exotic jewels, because don’t even know how to get them lol. I don’t play all day everyday.
Thanks.

You can get all of the stuff you need from the trading post. If you want to save some money, you can get weapons and armors for dungeon tokens. The dungeons CoE, CoF and Arah sell berserker stats. Doing Citadel of Flames path 1 + 2 a few times is a good way to get started.

For some reason this works only on skills that have a cooldown. If you interupt the auto attack of the risen knight at the start of path 4 or just the autohit of another player in pvp, you won’t get the 10 sec cd.

Power Block won’t disable Melandru totally, he still spawns his trees (if you interupt his knockback). Using Bower Block to easily kill Melandru was the idea behind my thread. The recent record from LoD did it with a single interrupt (I think), so you don’t have to strip defiance multiple times and dont run in the problem I described here. But im my fl/guild, we don’t always have meta comps and their dps, so we had to power block him multiple times – and failed. Hence this thread.

Ted The Warrior.8674:

Ropechef.6192:

NikeEU.7690:

I’m so happy you melee’ed melandru. No offense to other guilds, or your own previous records, but the excuse that it was faster to range the boss was a complete joke and I’m glad you showed it.

I agree,
from the time you entered into the room, the whole set up and take down was just well played out. To me it was just a smooth burn and it showed. I personally think it was one of the highlights of the whole run.

Again Well done legion!

Power block was the game changer, without it melee times are close to range times.

Yeah, there are some mobs where Power Block is superior to Deep Freeze. Ooze in Arah path 1 is another good example.

Two warriors can share banners and take an extra 180 power. Sure, it’s not much, but it’s something you can’t do with 1 warrior.
So, yeah. It probably comes down to your personal definition of waste.

And I think eles are op not because they have good dps, but because they also have an almost unfair amount of support and utility on top of their dps. But that goes off topic.

Yes, of course. That’s what makes it a starter build. You have to sacrifice something for extra survivability.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Need-help-surviving-the-silverwastes

Take a look at my answer over there.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Zero Day.2594:

Besides the skill “steal” and the trait “mug”, what does anything else have to do with thieves?

Thieves also kick puppies.

I’m a thief and I don’t kick puppies. Watched “John Wick” and that didn’t end well for the thief…

Ele? Yes. That’s my point.

But 2 warriors is a BIGGER waste, doesn’t mean 2 thieves in a party isn’t one as well. Or two guards.

Then name more than one class where having more than one isn’t a waste. That’s not really an argument for or against warriors.

It’s only proof that eles are ridiculously op.

Some people solo or duo the dungeon paths and then they sell the remaining spots to other people, who don’t want to do dungeons, but still want the tokens.

If you join such a group, you are expected to enter the dungeon and then pay the given price to the seller. Then he’ll wait till the group is full and finish the dungeon so you get the reward without doing anything (besides paying money). In some paths you are expected to help killing the end boss, but the seller usually tells you about that.

A bit off topic, but:
If you are new to dungeons, I suggest you advertise your own groups. Just make sure you mention that you are not very experienced, and you’ll find nice people who play with you and guide you. Don’t be shy to ask for help! Many player new to dungeons have a bad experience because they join random groups on the LFG and then get kicked.

Frusen.3761:

Using PVT gear helps a lot. Sure, your dps is lower, but you’ve got so many people that it doesn’t matter and you’re armor and vitality go up loads too

It does matter. Because if everyone thinks this way, the events fail because no one deals damage.

Try Invigorating Precision and maybe Dagger/Pistol. But I am usually fine just using IP and the normal Dagger/Dagger build. Something like this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVl0MpwpdOx0J0PNRLRtdHECjoXvh2XQAEiA-TBBXgAA7PK/C1H0r+zjSQA-e

Obviously you can use Executioner too, but IP makes things so much easier. You can also swap Furious Retalation for Practiced Tolerance to avoid burst better. If you decide to use Pistol offhand, move 1 point from deadly arts to trickery.

If thas still to troubeling, go for the s/p build with 56003 and the dual traits.

If P/P is the only reason you want to play a thief, then don’t do it. You’ll be dissapointed. It works, yes, but it’s far from good.

But if you like thieves in general and just want to use your pistols once in a while, go for it. It looks cool, and when things get serious, you still can swap to a weponset that gets the job done. Swapping traits doesnt cost a thing

I like it. Please, more!

Faux.1937:

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

Anything that is not D/F ele, like really, anything but that

D/F ele so szlachta

LOL wow… you know s/d or s/f isnt always the best, SPECIALLY if you have 2 eles…. one should go staff at that point.

Yes, but it’s Zelyhn, so it’s okay.

By the way, a full zerker bearbow isn’t half as bad as you think. Here are some builds I actually encountered while pugging:

• Staff-Mesmer on conditions with PU.
• Cleric shoutheal warrior with rifle.
• GS Mesmer who went melee with the rest of the party but refused to switch his weapon. Used feedback on cooldown. Like every mesmer.
• Regen-Warrior with ascended cleric armor and dolyak runes. I know this guy irl, I think he does this to annoy me…
• Heal bomb engi.
• Tank Thief, because it’s impossible to survive in dungeons without pvt armor.
• Scepter ele camping air. Brzzzzzt. Brzzzzzt. Brzzzzzt.
• Spirit Ranger, all 5 spirits.
• Shortbow ranger, and I quote: “Dude, ths build is awesome, I deal almost 2k dps!”

You think bearbow is bad? You know nothing.

100% flamethrower = 100% rage.

Zerk thief with Invigorating Precision, dual dagger and good old shortbow if I’m lazy. Kills everything, even husks, in seconds and unless you mess up hard, you can’t die.

Or longbow ranger, if I want to eat while playing.