Guild Wars 2

Demented Yak.6105:

Instead of “Victory” for one of my games, it says: “Bye”.

What?

Enemies had deserter/dc, so they haven’t lost pip, while you got your free pip.

Shockwave.1230:

They aren’t doing anything wrong by queuing with low tiers, they are just trying to play the game in the competitive queue. The system takes that completely away from some people as it currently exists if you don’t take low queue players.

So?
-> Is system flawed? Check: Yes.
-> Are they abusing flaws in system? Check: Yes.
-> Are they abusing for personal gains? Check: Yes.
-> Do other players are disadvantaged because of abusing? Check: Yes.
-> Is abusing/exploiting against Code of Conduct? Check: Yes.

Do we should really care about their motives? Nope.
You will ask why shouldn’t we care about their motives? Because we will never know their real motives, since we can’t enter their head and read their thoughts, they may say I just want to play, but will it be true? We will never know.

Shockwave.1230:

You can yell and scream foul, but teams that are already pro league teams don’t impact placings for the guild challenger league. So nothing foul is afoot.

So only guild challengers are playing in Ranked?

Shockwave.1230:

tl:dr

I’ve never said system is perfect and not flawed…
Yet, some people will push system to the limits and then try to push it even more exploiting flaws in flawed system to get even bigger part of cake than they were supposed to get. If you think I will symphatize with some cheap abusers, I won’t.

Some people are like thieves, if catch thier hand during act of thievery, they will scream its not mine hand, its not mine fault!!!, it’s exacly the same kind of mentality.

It’s bugged, was confirmed by Dev Team.

Shockwave.1230:

Then why do you think it’s okay for the system to punish players who play well and play alot, by forcing them to not play after a certain point?

They aren’t punished. System gave them clear msg – Guys, you’re the champions, we can’t find anyone worth your time. You should wait until worthy opponents arive, in meantime you can practice in unranked.

Shockwave.1230:

Again why would anyone think it’s okay to restrict players from playing in the ladder, simply because they’re better?

It’s simple. Those matches wouldn’t be fair. It’s like pairing some random kids against world 1st Puglist when he can’t find any worthy opponents, so he won’t die due to boredom.

Shockwave.1230:

Pretty much the same question, why is it okay to prevent their league progression simply because they are good and play a lot?

Yes, it’s. Since if you let them play unfair matches, they players who got matched against them (soloQ mostly) will be punished by getting match they can’t win. What is more, difference in MMR <→ Divisions will get even bigger, because poor guys who got 0% chances to win the game will still lose MMR and pip (or pips because Amber/Emerald was involved in team abusing matchmaking).

If our “pros” would play like majority of playerbase (read: soloQ/duoQ) they wouldn’t have such issue… I think Rom just today hit Ruby, Helseth is still in Sapphire, I doubt our dear farmboys are better than Rom or Helseth, seriously.

It’s called Revenant.

Shockwave.1230:

Can someone who is mad about people being diamond please calm down then logically explain to me why you think it’s okay for ANet’s matchmaking to allow for 2 hour queues that time out?

Yes, it is. MM is supposed to find fair matches, if there are no fair matches, because someone decided to pugstomp all day… he can go play Unranked until people catch up, ranked season will last two months, not two weeks.

Shockwave.1230:

Then also please calmly explain, using logic (not spite), why you think it’s wrong for diamond players to play with others who are amber so they can actually get a match?

Because as stated above, its simply not fair. They proved with their performace, that players in tiers below them, shouldn’t be matched against them no matter what.

Shockwave.1230:

I think if you would just take off the rage goggles, you would realize there’s nothing logical in arguing that those queue times are okay or that it’s wrong to play with people so you can get a match in a reasonable time.

They can get matches in reasonable time, just not Ranked matches.
Farmboys just want to keep shameless pugstomp all day every day, so they can have different badge color, like it would matter.

Nova Stiker.8396:

There are a lot of people to blame.

The question is who will take it? The abusers or the creators?

Stronghold is still gone, PvP is a unfun balance mess, it is better to abuse the system and bugs galore. I hope ArenaNet does the right thing and take all the blame.

I hope both sides will take blame.
- Head dude responsible for shaping PvP should be replaced, clearly too many fail decisions made in such short period of time…
- Also abusers/exploiters should be punished, it doesn’t have to be permanent account suspension but it has to happen. Otherwise people will feel free to abuse anything, while screwing the rest of community.

morrolan.9608:

Why can;t they simply be trying to get queue pops? They are that good they don’t need to farm wins.

I’m wondering actualy, if farmboys can do something except pugstomping as premade – are they good players, or voice communication and rotations make them look like good players?

I guess, we won’t know, since they picked easy way of pugstomping.

Doon.2364:

E-Sports should never allow bunkers to outlive Burst builds. Imagine if League of Legends were design that way where bunkers can live forever. Would it still be successful?

Yes, you would just ignore them and do the objective. Problem in GW2 aren’t bunkers themselves, but objective in Conquest.

Fortus.6175:

So yeah, Sapphire here, just came out of a game with Phantaram’s (or whatever his name is) team, 5 pugs, 1 of them was ruby, rest sapphire like me, vs a 5 man premade, 1 diamond, 1 emerald and rest 2 ruby and a sapphire…..

fun times.

Tried to take a screenshot but for some reason they are not saving. Does anyone know where they go? I press PrtSc and nothing happened, I went to Documents, nothing in pictures or a file named Guild Wars 2. Dunno whats going on!

C:\Users\yourusername\Documents\Guild Wars 2\Screens

Ghedoriah.4290:

Morwath.9817:

Yawz.7841:

The queuing system is literally broken. In turn, this effects everyone because they are “forced” to take a lower MMR just to get a game, which does lower their team’s MMR. Maybe some pro’s are exploiting this, but I would like to believe most are doing it simply to play ranked pvp.

Thieves are people too, they need to eat, so they steal. Logic.

It was slightly inelegantly put, but essentially because half of what goes into deciding your match-up is your division, if you’re in a high division, you can be sitting there for at least fifteen minutes to get a game. Partying with someone in a lower division might be considered slightly unethical, but it essentially gets you a game faster whilst, in theory, keeping you against similarly skilled players (as if the division part of matchmaking is circumvented, it should be mostly based on your actual MMR).

Slightly? It’s not that people duo que, we’ve seen serval screenshots with 4x Diamond and random Amber/Emerald in one premade to trick entire MM, so Diamond premade could do some moar pugstomping in lower tiers.

vlad.4871:

who cares we need to be esports they will end having just players from esl playing the game.

They should disable PvP and let people PvP only in Pro League!

Yawz.7841:

The queuing system is literally broken. In turn, this effects everyone because they are “forced” to take a lower MMR just to get a game, which does lower their team’s MMR. Maybe some pro’s are exploiting this, but I would like to believe most are doing it simply to play ranked pvp.

Thieves are people too, they need to eat, so they steal. Logic.

Arcade.8901:

Morwath.9817:

Sunfish.5970:

Ok how about this. Id solo q if i could, but since i get queues that time out, im going to pick up a couple ambers and 2 other diamonds and continue to farm the people that want to ignore a problem. Happy queueing

And I hope you get banned for matchmaking manipulation if you do so, happy quequeing

Watch out he threatens to farm someone who ignores his " que time problems ". I mean OMG.

To farm me, he would have transfer to EU… and there his failmade would be beaten by soloQ, hue hue hue…

dannyteo.5864:

Why the should he get banned? It’s not his fault ANET has developed a kittenty match making system

Why? Because system if -flawed-, and abusing flaws in flawed system is exploiting according to Code of Conduct, which may result in account suspension or permanent accoutn suspension.

If Anet could ban Karma crafting guys, they SHOULD ban people exploiting matchmaking.

Sunfish.5970:

Ok how about this. Id solo q if i could, but since i get queues that time out, im going to pick up a couple ambers and 2 other diamonds and continue to farm the people that want to ignore a problem. Happy queueing

And I hope you get banned for matchmaking manipulation if you do so, happy quequeing

But… but… Grouch and Hugh don’t soloQ!

Power.2957:

1.) Him queueing with friends is wrong and he should limit how many friends he plays with to benefit random players and/or potentially have idiots fill the empty slots in his team.

It’s called unfair advantage, when you que with friends agianst lower ranked players.

Power.2957:

2.) He should play Unranked which does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to progress leagues to pass time until ArenaNet get their act together?

Oh noes. I’ve went bascialy to Sapphire within two days of active playing as SoloQ, then stopped playing Ranked because of -reasons-… poor me!

Power.2957:

How is any of that fair?

Lol, due, lol.
Majority of playerbase is playing solo… how is that fair they are matched vs premades?!

Sunfish.5970:

We play pvp to play pvp. It’s up to the system to match us with players on our level. If i decide to queue alone, I don’t get queue pops, so what do you suggest I do? Pve? I dont play that. Pvp? Queues arent popping :p. Only way i actually get to play the game is to queue with lower mmr players in my party.

First, if you wouldn’t duo/triple/5man Q before and only solo/duo, you wouldn’t have problem now. You may consider it funny, but Rom or Helseth doesn’t have your issue.

Second, you got separate MMR in Unranked. You can try to play there until Anet fix this and/or there will be more people close to your MMR in Ranked.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

i have a rather unusual experience just now.

after being fed up with the pip gains up and down, i took out my warrior and bring her for some ranked arena matches. all loses, however, the pips went up.

in the last match, the other team was leading a lot, say 400 – 200

then they stop capping, they let us have sides, 2 cap. then they started zerging in mid and let us kill.

when we scored at least 400, then they ended the match. i got +1 pip for that loses, now i’m at emerald 8/25 again.

they are a 4 man guild group plus 1 pug.
kinda nice of them to let us have 400 team score.

they let us had 400 team score

At this point I’m envisioning the leads at the company taking the month of December off and in their private yachts or lodges enjoying the holidays and giving a rats kitten about their product.

Aren’t they on holidays since GW2 launch?

I would like to have Matchmaking manipulation also.

Jelzouki.4128:

Anet needs serious help. Is it the employees? Do they need to fire someone? Do they even have the right vision for PvP? They should have weekly PvP meetings and should release the notes of that meeting every week because this is just getting kittenING ABSURD FIX YOUR kittenING GAME.

There was, “Hire and Fire” thread last week, they was able to communicate after seeing it for one day… maybe we should ask more frequently about that matter?

Trevor Boyer.6524:

• Don’t expect reasonable win rates as a solo que in a game that is now designed for team que. After all, the game is named: “Guild Wars”. Playing as a solo que is completely at your own risk.

And the name is a joke, 2015, soon 2016, yet no GvG implemented.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

• Don’t like being on TS3? Only play once or twice a week? Cool but you should still be finding a guild of other casual players who want to form teams for spvp. Get to it, start doing it, even if they don’t use TS3. The chemistry built will be worth the investment.

Playerbase asked about in-game VOIP and/or Smite like voice commands.
Anet still doesn’t give a kitten what players want or what they don’t want, they still do as they please so we get fail after fail.

Also, if I would have to “find a guild to que with to enjoy game” I’d rather quit, as probably majority of soloQ playerbase.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

• Remember that you are responsible for your own level of participation within the community. Not joining a guild that can teach you and provide players to team up with, is your own choice.

Obviously its my choice, for sure nor you nor Anet can decide for me. However if players who want que solo are majority, Anet has adjust their vision to them, or GW2 PvP playerbase will be smaller and smaller.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

4 players in queue together, obviously higher MMR, higher divisions. Meanwhile we are full soloq, lower divisions, lower MMR.

Also lost a pip at the end of it.

Poor Leeto.

Sunfish.5970:

I’m not asking for solo queue, im asking for the chance to play the game. Put me up against 5 mans, I don’t care, or when im solo queueing as a high mmr player (or what ever the reason Im getting these long queue times are) just put me with lower mmr players. I’d gladly play with low mmr players on my team if the other team is also low mmr, but this is just ridiculous.

I’m sure people wouldn’t consider 1x Diamond + 4x Sapphire as abuse, unlike 4x Diamond + Amber / Emerald.

I see Chaithh has joined farm train ;-)

Truth is, many soloQ don’t que anymore. Ques will be longer and longer everyday.

My vote goes for 55’.

Browrain.7346:

There was an “update” on the situation promised this week, not a fix. And “this week” could mean any 7 days of this week. It’s only Tuesday. Hope this cleared everything up for you.

Patches rarely happen on “any 7 days of the week”, they usualy hit on Tuesday if they hit at all, so I’m a bit worried.

It was promised to be fixed this week, we got “patch day” of the week today and still no fix…

trytonianYeti.4389:

You cant deny one region is far more abusive to their community than the other.

Not whole NA community is like this, but a few guys who got really big shadows.

Mist Initiative = Abjured.

Sunshine.5014:

Wow. Even OE doing it now? Shameful and disgusting.

They should all receive a 72h dishonor. It’s manipulating MMR, and it’s against the Code of Conduct. ANet should punish them. It’s very easy to check in the match history.

According to CoC, they should have accounts suspended.

Nebulizer.3276:

Just curious as most have seen in the higher ranks of ruby/diamond, lots of pros are Q’ing with emeralds and ambers to speed up Q and pretty much nab free wins. Is Anet ok with this, I know its in the game design, but it feels like another abuse of the rank system.

Ran into O-eggs doing this today rather not throw up the screenshot, but it just feels dirty they are already good players why must they abuse the MM system.

There is thread about this matter already: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Should-pro-teams-be-punished-for-abusing/first

Obviously problem is horrible system of leagues, how players are matched, soloq vs teamq, not properly reset MMR, MMR abuses and so on.

Start working Anet, this is nowhere to be even acceptable…

Crinn.7864:

Burn.5401:

Crinn.7864:

Terrorsquad.4802:

3. They could make a separate Leagues for SoloQ’ers only, an exact copy except for those ESL stages. Just like before we had Solo and Team Arena (Leaderboard).

Which would result in the game being pure soloQ, because there are not enough teams in existence to population a team queue, which leads to long queue times, which invariably results the teams quitting, and thus alienating players that enjoy social PvP.

Because putting teams against solo queuers is the best way to promote team creation? Are you not aware that most of the better teams were created during the glory days of solo queue where people enjoyed the game? Oh wait you haven’t played the game back then, my mistake.

Of course the better teams where from that era, team queue is a haven for dominant teams, but it’s kitten for new/mid level teams because the population is going to be too small for the new/mid level teams to get even match ups, resulting in farming which leads to the new teams getting discouraged and usually quitting.

And you think they aren’t getting discouraged now?
If they lose… people say they are kitten because they lose to soloQ.
If they win… people say they are kitten because they have to run full roster vs soloQ to win.

Rather someone was stupid enough to mix Leagues and GvG.

Crinn.7864:

Espire.9723:

Lost 2 pips in last defeat, final score 87 – 502. kitten you Anet.

If you lose 87 – 502 you ought to lose pips because obviously you’re out of your league. (both meanings intended)

…or 4 guys he got matched with by random MM system are out of his league.

sephiroth.4217:

Remove cele and give all classes the same base stats.

And allow Necros regenerate or be healed in DS/RS, if you’re going to reduce their Health and Life Force pools.

Browrain.7346:

Morwath.9817:

Browrain.7346:

I think people fail to realize that splitting soloq and teamq would basically make teamq a wasteland. You think queues are long now? People with high mmr would be waiting hours upon hours for a single match.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love soloq back because that’s predominately how I’ve been going through leagues. But, you have to look at the side-effects.

Current League is wasteland, not population wise, but fun wise. According to your logic, majority of playerbase has to be stuck in wasteland to prevent minority being stuck in wasteland. You could assume that solo/duoQ players care as much about premades as premades care about solo/duoQ, but whos majority here?

In worst case, team q would die and premades would have to solo/duo Q.
Nothing would change, except we would have more fair matches.

Everything would change. Aspiring teams couldn’t practice their comp unless they got lucky and found another team to scrim in customs. Friends of 3 or 4 could no longer queue together (this all assuming what you said, that teamq would die).

Again, I desperately want soloq back. But you have to be empathetic to everyone it would effect. It wouldn’t just be 5-man top teams being harmed here. Just some things ANet will have to take into account if they decide on some sort of fix for this.

Pro League and Aspiring teams can’t practice anyway. Look at Car Trashed, no matter how much they stomp soloQ (or get stomped by soloQ), they won’t learn anything there, because playing full roster vs soloQ has nothing with competitive (team vs team) gameplay…

Browrain.7346:

I think people fail to realize that splitting soloq and teamq would basically make teamq a wasteland. You think queues are long now? People with high mmr would be waiting hours upon hours for a single match.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love soloq back because that’s predominately how I’ve been going through leagues. But, you have to look at the side-effects.

Current League is wasteland, not population wise, but fun wise. According to your logic, majority of playerbase has to be stuck in wasteland to prevent minority being stuck in wasteland. You could assume that solo/duoQ players care as much about premades as premades care about solo/duoQ, but whos majority here?

In worst case, team q would die and premades would have to solo/duo Q.
Nothing would change, except we would have more fair matches.

Saiyan.1704:

Solo players need to give out solutions instead of complaining about an awesome system that was never meant for them.

They already did: split solo and team Q.

xeonage.1253:

condition~~~ condition~~~ condition~~~
Confusion and Torment in same time , stack per sec, AOE , no cool down
how do i do?
running? cleaning? use skill? no, just stay here and leave the keyboard than die~~~
GOOD JOB Anet~~~~~

you forgot burning

PowerBottom.5796:

I’m actually thinking about q’ing rev as well, if ppl do this, we’ll soon have 100% condi-rev’s in PvP, maybe then ANet will do sth. about it…. You know, like nerfing warrior…. ^^’

In the meantime Grouch to Hugh: We need to nerf Healing Signet by another 10% and Vigorous Shouts by another 20%.

Silverkey.2078:

Why can’t people understand that the MMR is fine, the problem is the low population. There are not so many ruby players, so it ends up having to take lower divisions players.

No MMR problem: population problem

If you implement MM and MMR system which requires as big population as LOL has, then its not population problem, it means you’ve implemented wrong MM and MMR system, which can’t work in game with GW2 population…

PowerBottom.5796:

can you temporarily disable revenant? IMHO much more gamebreaking than a stealth bug in a 2nd tier game-mode.

…and Chronomancer.

nearlight.3064:

If this doesn’t get patched tomorrow I’m going to be quite perplexed.

For those of you who don’t know, the mallyx elite skill embrace the darkness is a bugged upkeep so that it pulses its torment stacks and burning through blocks, evades, etc. This means that there is “zero counterplay” when fighting a mallyx revenant using this skill.

If you won’t balance this game to give this (and bunk mes and diamond skin) a heavy does of chemotherapy against this cancer, why won’t you at least fix the bugs that make the skills artificially stronger than the should be? Fix this and then we can start to think about whether mallyx/shiro rev is overpowered or not. Since now in its current state where nearly every proleague team has 1-2 of them (and sometimes a third revenant) build diversity is kittened and that is simply deplorable.

Tormet is applied by Embrace.
Burning is applied by Diabolic Inferno (Corruption GM) and can be triggered by elite of any Legend.

U no like Mesmurs?

Ragnarox.9601:

You forgot 3 things:
Condi reaper can solo those 3 alone.
DH can kill them with eyes shut.
Druid can laugh at them while at full hp.

New to the game?
Viper Rev hard counters Druid.