Guild Wars 2

Not sure if serious…

SteepledHat.1345:

Morwath.9817:

Malediktus.9250:

Morwath.9817:

Malediktus.9250:

Wins should always give 2 pips and loosing loose 1 pip. That way you can progress even if the MMR algorithm forces you into a 50% winrate.

You can progress with 50% winrate up to Ruby, just because you can’t lose tiers… which means you dont lose pips for x% of your loses.

I’m in Sapphire, two days after season has started as soloQ, so I guess everyone should be able to get into Ruby sooner or later.

5 win streaks are pretty rare with 50% winrate.

Wrong. You can have total win rate 50%, but at certain times it may be between 40-60% (which gives 50% at the end), so… if you manage to get 5 wins, then get losing streaks, your loses are mitigated by tier floor… and if system will try to keep give you 50% winrate, you already benefit pip wise.

Its not win-lose-win-lose-win-lose-win-lose… and if its clearly win-lose constantly then you’ve to be throwing yourself over and over.

I think I understand the point you’re trying to make, however, if the system is pushing you towards a long run probablity of 50% and each match is modeled as an independent event, then you’re going to have a 3% chance of winning 5 in a row. Now you might make and argument that the matches aren’t independent, but I’d be hard pressed to construct one myself.

Idk, if I could get soloQ into Sapphire, everyone can…

u no complain about Rangers?
ah, right, Anet already “fixed” them

Chris.6089:

+1 (Message Body length must at least be 15.)

Kicker.8203:

???. The opposite. Skillful wars get their MMRs lowered because they play a warrior. This wouldn’t obviously mean that you face rank 2 players immediately as soon as you log onto your rank 80 warrior, it would be a slighter adjustment than that.

Edit: I exaggerated. You would still face people with the same skill except you get better teams.

I’ve clearly misunderstood you.

Kicker.8203:

No. It would mean if you have to carry any thief/warrior the 3 remaining team members you get are stronger.

That would mean, Thief/Warrior I’ve in team while playing anything else is weaker and inferior probably not only professions wise, but also skill wise.

…but that would mean I’ve to carry newbie Warriors/Thieves?

You got account and profession MMR.

Browrain.7346:

trytonianYeti.4389:

This is why it’s hard to respect and take seriously the “top 2” NA pro teams. The most respectable team in NA is Never Lucky. It was heart warming what they last Monday.

Because EU isn’t doing the exact same thing.

Only Car Crashed does… yet wild soloQ Helseth punished them for this misery.

I’ve to say, I’ve completly re-evaluted my view on “pro players” GW2 has during last week. As I disliked Helseth due to his horrible self-centered attitude and bad sense of humor, he proved to be worthy, since he had balls to ignore easy farm and join soloQ pain train… unlike some other streamers from top teams.

Malediktus.9250:

Morwath.9817:

Malediktus.9250:

Wins should always give 2 pips and loosing loose 1 pip. That way you can progress even if the MMR algorithm forces you into a 50% winrate.

You can progress with 50% winrate up to Ruby, just because you can’t lose tiers… which means you dont lose pips for x% of your loses.

I’m in Sapphire, two days after season has started as soloQ, so I guess everyone should be able to get into Ruby sooner or later.

5 win streaks are pretty rare with 50% winrate.

Wrong. You can have total win rate 50%, but at certain times it may be between 40-60% (which gives 50% at the end), so… if you manage to get 5 wins, then get losing streaks, your loses are mitigated by tier floor… and if system will try to keep give you 50% winrate, you already benefit pip wise.

Its not win-lose-win-lose-win-lose-win-lose… and if its clearly win-lose constantly then you’ve to be throwing yourself over and over.

Mysticjedi.6053:

I have this dilemma as a soloq player. The system really rewards teams, an individual being high in the ladder really means next to nothing.

I would love a system where teams could climb a separate ladder and solo players could initially come together and be ranked and climb through individual effort with winning as a team being a consideration.

I would love system, which has separated SoloQ and TeamQ, however it would love to have ability to keep wining team in SoloQ, so my SoloQ team if is great could fight after few games in TeamQ.

You can beat most Teams when MM works properly, but you can’t when you get 4 randoms with much lower skills that yours and you’re supposed to carry them…

Kuya.6495:

It seems like the idea behind the league is for people to be pvping in teams rather than solo. At this point, pvping solo in leagues seems like such a bad idea. Why would you risk your pips on a coin toss of getting competent team mates?

If people want to solo queue they should be doing it in unranked, but i suppose people will respond that they want to progress in leagues so they want to play ranked.

Character Standarized Models if anything.
Also Skyhammer in Unranked Que is sick, sick puppy.

SPESHAL.9106:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

SPESHAL.9106:

The problem is that you can solo que…get matched up against a 4 man guild premade on TS…lose the match…AND…lose a pip.

That’s just ridiculous and will not sustain a viable PvP playerbase. Nobody is going to put up with that and keep playing for very long.

For over a year people played with weird MMR match making. They still played.
For over a year soloQ people we’re put against premades..they still play.
For over a year highly casual players have had hotjoin exploited and side swapped to death…they still play.
Since the beginning the rewards in PvP have been terrible..they still play.
Since the beginning the buff/nerf train has frustrated players..they still play.

Gw2 seems to have a unique client base. They get a product which contradicts official statements by the company, they play it..they complain about it..yet here they still are. heck the company even has 200k to throw at a tournament.

Using your warped logic, people still play MMOs like Rift or Swotr, so I guess things don’t matter because a small percentage “still play” (using your words).

This game has the best combat mechanics which makes it an even greater shame that it’s underperformed in terms of popularity. It should be the #1 MMO for PvP if that was ever handled properly. However, years of slow balancing, no worthwhile rewards, and meaningless leaderboards has sabotaged the popularity of the game.

At this point, I’m probably talking over your head because you don’t see those things as a problem worth fixing.

According to your logic, as long as “people still play”, you think the game has reached the pinnacle popularity.

Age of Conan had much better combat system, yet it “died”, because devs cattered to much to PvE community and ignored PvP community complains too much.

Laserbolt.6731:

MMR is there for a reason.

It doesn’t make sense to have Division system and MMR at same time..
Players should be matched based on their divisions. Yes, players like Helseth would have easy games early, but then later they would struggle against one each other… now they will permanently struggle against each other…

kdaddy.5431:

I just lost 2 pips and no one dc or left, we lost like 500-280 but one person swapped characters right before the start of match. He didnt miss any time but me and a 1 person i was partied with both lost 2 pips.

MM predicted you to easily win and you lost, so enemies got two pips…
Helseth as SoloQ had exacly same situation while losing to full roster Orange Logo.

SteepledHat.1345:

Morwath.9817:

Nova Stiker.8396:

speedbox.1473:

This is perfect let farmers and premade esl teams play with each other))))

Except we’re not.

Indeed. Not everyone in Sapphire is “farmer” or “esl premade”, some of us was just playing soloQ and actualy got there due to our own effort, flexibility and simply by not throwing…

How does it feel having any prestige stolen by exploiters?

I don’t find any “prestige” in climbing into sapphire. So don’t know how it feel, however I tend to rage on full rosters ;s

Nova Stiker.8396:

speedbox.1473:

This is perfect let farmers and premade esl teams play with each other))))

Except we’re not.

Indeed. Not everyone in Sapphire is “farmer” or “esl premade”, some of us was just playing soloQ and actualy got there due to our own effort, flexibility and simply by not throwing…

Malediktus.9250:

Wins should always give 2 pips and loosing loose 1 pip. That way you can progress even if the MMR algorithm forces you into a 50% winrate.

You can progress with 50% winrate up to Ruby, just because you can’t lose tiers… which means you dont lose pips for x% of your loses.

I’m in Sapphire, two days after season has started as soloQ, so I guess everyone should be able to get into Ruby sooner or later.

Evan Lesh.3295:

How long would you be willing to wait before going significantly outside your division for matchmaking?

I think 5 minutes wouldn’t be too long. I could endure even 10 minutes just to be sure I won’t get Amber guys in my team who doesn’t lose anything while I’m heavily punished for losing in Sapphire.

Laserbolt.6731:

Well at least they have a LADDER CUTOFF in the matching. Thank goodness.

Please keep the Sapphires + out of the Amber pool.

Yes, please. Keep Ambers out of my matches ;P

Classic BM/MM/D with double Glyph was good enough as soloQ to sapphire for me.

The only thing I’ve changed was Beastly Warden (to prevent stomps/rezes and to make Wolf more oppresive), also Energy/Doom are pretty useful (can be triggered by Celestial Avatar, you don’t have to change weapon).

Bebunw.8137:

Morwath.9817:

Stronghold should be in Ranked, because its much more fun than Conquest and its Bunker Wars =]

It’s already the case

I know, but poster above me, stated that it shouldn’t be.

Stronghold should be in Ranked, because its much more fun than Conquest and its Bunker Wars =]

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Morwath.9817:

Sapphire = average SoloQ after a week?
Ruby = average SoloQ after two weeks?

No way with many purposely loosing to lower MMR. Gain a pip, loose two.

Average SoloQ player has average MMR, no way he will lose two pips.

Spartacus.3192:

I thought pro Leagues showed that Full Trap DH only works against low tier players. There was so much QQ in the beginning against Trap DH and then when people saw that every team with a DH lost in the early rounds of pro leagues, the QQ mysteriously died out.

DH is played in NA Pro League.

Sapphire = average SoloQ after a week?
Ruby = average SoloQ after two weeks?

displacedTitan.6897:

If anyone didnt understand why Leagues is the strange cobbled together product we got, this thread OP is everything you need to know.

You have to please the reward grinders (same reason we have Match Flopping now) at the same time as the people who want to actually sPvP and get better. ANet is in a really hard spot because of the Ultra-Casual community they have built in the PvE side of this game.

I disagree.
They are complaing about losing pips, not because they lose pips.
They are complaining about losing pips, because matchmaking is so horrible, because we have no SoloQ, because professions are horribly stacked even in full SoloQ vs SoloQ games, people who want lose on purpose due to this flawed system and so on… and all of those make entire experience not fun.

@Op
Not sure if serious.
Pips = rank points, people will be shown on Leaderboards based on how many pips they have, yet you want to remove ability to lose rank points in ranked?

There are many things in Leagues to change, but not this one.

Because nobody thought about it.
It should be implemented exacly as you said…

You play in Emerald or higher and Amber guys don’t even give kitten if they lose.

Kydar Schattendolch.6879:

Morwath.9817:

You idea doesn’t work for Stronghold and Conquest sucks.

Mh..you’re right..forgot about stronghold….
But stronghold also has a Point System..i did not know it exactly..bit I think it would be tweakable…

Stronghold tends to snowball (point wise). Some games are close, but only when “winning” team can’t use their momentum.

Even more lags?

You idea doesn’t work for Stronghold and Conquest sucks.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

nearlight.3064:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

whats a good chrono bunker build?

whats make them so good?

Theres lots of different ones floating around but most use either cele or sentinels and durability or chronomancer runes.

Basically the build can rez better than a guardian and CC better than one and share a huge amount of boons and alacrity. Its pointholding power in conquest is unparalleled because unlike a tempest who has to heal through and sustain through the damage, the chronobunker can use well of precognition, sword 2, and shield blocks to mitigate the damage on very low cooldowns due to all the alacrity and the build has solid healing and condition cleansing, on demand stability/quikness and good protection uptime.

Basically its a bunker build that can handle being focus fired better than any we’ve had before.

ooo! thanks!
what specs they are using?

chrono
illusions?
inspiration?

Inspiration, Chaos, Chrono.

I usualy counter them by queing Stronghold, seriously.

trytonianYeti.4389:

!

Time to make “Pay to Loose”, I wonder how many people would paid for such service.

SlayerSixx.5763:

All of you guys are insane. Unblockable effects are ridiculous. The tons of block skills people have nowadays are ridiculous. Auras are ridiculous, let’s just passively give people exactly what they want. Why do we need cancer like this in the game?

Because thats how you sell box of HoT to average casual.
You give him passive cancer.

Alekt.5803:

Shadelang.3012:

Alekt.5803:

Mcrocha.3891:

Maybe, but still is it unreasonable for a pet to have an unblock able attack?

Repeat it 3 times in your head very quickly?

I think it is very unreasonable for this pet to have an attack that is above all logic. Think about it for a moment. Why on earth is it okay for it to be unblockable aside from the assertion that rangers are…. underpowered?

Why is it okay for auras to have zero counterplay other than stop attacking? See I can do this too. Theres no reason for a pet NOT to have an unblockable attack. Especially considering all the things rangers DON’T get because of there pets.

This attack has a slower and more obvious telegraph than most. I am sorry you didn’t think the guys pet was a threat and chose to ignore it and apparently got rolled by it.

Now give us a GOOD reason for this ONE pet not to have a form of attack that the ranger itself CAN’T have.

Edit: also If you played ranger youd realise it WASN’T random. It follows a VERY predictable pattern based on your range from the target. Just like every other pet does.

If the pet is equally a threat. Why is it justified that bark skin reduce the damage by 50% to the pet? It should be 33% if the pet is as dangerous as the player, no?

Or should it be 50-50%?

Dustin.2793:

one hour queue+….

Thats obvious punishment for Nos, nobody should dare to make jokes about OE.
Anyway I would like to see visble MMR.

I’ve nearly got Sapphire with casual soloQ.
Yet its annoying as hell with all those premades around…

Disable leagues, leave Ranked alone.
I can’t be stand all those kittened Asuras kittening kittens around.

Serious Thought.5394:

It feels off. On the one hand you do have Solo and Team queue, in the other its not the way you want.

SoloQ= Stronghold
TeamQ= Conqest

But at the same time, PvP has an lfg panel tab which means you could get enough friends that way. I personally favor it, IF it were just more tuned. Having games where I am the only one on my team to contribute to capture points (20 me, 0/0/0/0 rest of team) and the final score is 501 to 8 (defeat)… its just like “wtf anet…”.

So I think yes if and only if they can just fix this MMR bs that’s running around. If I’m the only good player on my team (proven btw, not ego) then the enemy team should only have 1 player at my skill level not 5. I can’t play against 5 me’s if my team is like 4 other me’s from 2 years ago when I barely understood why Capture points were better than kills.

It’s not true. Stronkhold isn’t SoloQ. You can run into high MMR teams farming pips in middle of the night on soloQ players, since they are afraid of other high MMR teams in Conquest…

Need dishonor for premading. Maybe I should go AFK whenever I’ve any form of premade bigger than duo in team, just to punish those kittens ;-)

Alekt.5803:

Well… Unblockable attacks need not to be given away for no reasons, Shadelang. You don’t give unblockable “just because”; something in the skill needs to make it clear that it is unblockable.

All I see from rangers is them wanting broken and senseless stuff to balance their “inferiority complex”. Sorry if it’s not the case for you, but you’re probably the sort that would defend how bristlebacks used to have 35k health. You guys put your cards into the most idiotic things; I remember people defending unblockable/undodgeable taunts, defending the ultime boon copy from Heal as One… Etc.

…cmon Taunt is crappy GM now.
Revenant got twice longer passive Taunt, lol.

I’ve no words.

+1

Disagree.

~Your dear Ranger.

I disagree. Nothing is more unfun than Skyhammer and lack of STD Character Models with all those kittened Asuras kittening kittens around.

Belial.9350:

As much as I hate the lack of balance, patch day is tuesdays so I don’t see the purpose of this thread…

Any excuses are good to don’t do anything.

Well… it’s still better than Unranked.

*Fixed a bug in which Recipe: Meteorite Ingot only produced 1 bar instead of the intended 25. Players who crafted a meteorite ingot previously and did not receive all 25 may recover their missing ingots by speaking to Grandmaster Craftsman Hobbs in Lion’s Arch.

You reap what you sow.

You want us to play Unranked without STD Character Models?
I don’t care about pips, divisions, pseudo rewards, I’m playing Ranked only because models ;s

Boycotting stuff doesn’t work.

gw2 pvp at release – wow, has nothing with GW1 lets ignore it for year or two, maybe they will fix it
test grind ladder – horrible, ignore it
traits revamp – horrible, lets wait for HoT
HoT league – horrible, lets wait for new game director?