Guild Wars 2

Blackmoa.3186:

Morwath.9817:

Caps, decaps, assists?

for decaps and caps just count, assists are not a meaningful stat in gw2

How assists can be “not meaningful” in team based game, game which is more about rotations and pushing proper targets together rather than just 1v1 on nodes?

Leave Irenio alone, he did great job with Druid.

EnderzShadow.2506:

Morwath.9817:

I think you should try Viper, much more damage.

Are we talking about hybrid builds, because I’ve ran this build pretty much every way you can. I haven’t found anything better than what I run. But hey, maybe it’s just the way I run it.

As much as I enjoy trapper ranger, it doesn’t feel ideal in any circumstances. But, imo none of our builds are optimal. ( I could go on a long rant about this )

I don’t understand going for a hybrid build with this weapon set because you can’t spam and there are no big attacks.

Let’s review, you have sword which is melee range and puts you in harms way.
And you have axe, which is a 900 range unless traited ( I believe). Everything else is mainly condi dmg based.

On my build, I run settler
Carrion has the advantage of having Vitality and Power but has no toughness. So it’s a higher health pool but worse heals w/no tough.

Viper felt too soft to me. It has no toughness and it has no healing power and I don’t run a build where I need crits. My dmg comes from Condis.

What I run – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRAnY8fjMqQ7K2tCmrAVLGYEqv1X9UvBXAXeAUyuqA-TpRHABQVGo2TAQAHBgn3fQgDCAAPAAA

Feel free to contact me in game. I too do not yet have the expansion and I really enjoy this build.

While Settler could be good with Druid, I think Celestial would perform much better if you play without it, since both your weapon sets have hybrid damage.

Anyway, I would recommend buying expansion, since Druid trait line is insane upgrade to sustain/team support.

Caps, decaps, assists?

Vieux P.1238:

kitten Stronghold.. In fact uninstall Strong hold would be nice.

kitten Conquest.. In fact uninstall Con quest would be nice.

circuitnerd.5863:

Morwath.9817:

Personal score doesn’t mean a thing.

yea it does, your reward track doesnt progress as much then

Your reward track is mostly affected by winning or losing.

Personal score doesn’t mean a thing.

I would love to get preparations back, probably as Venoms.

What? Haven’t you noticed that this mode is about team fights at Mist Essences? ;-)

7k people watched last EU PRO League live, its better than ever.

ZoroDaOtter.3859:

Vapour.7348:

Is Carrion a good alternative to Viper for the Mallyx/Shiro build?

Not really imo as your other weapon set will pretty much be useless since pretty much everything else is power-based.

Both Carrion and Viper got a bit different purpose. TCG used Carrion in last Pro League.

We already asked many times about bringing back this amazing feature, I don’t remember even a single response from Anet…

I think you should try Viper, much more damage.

Doobachoo.5712:

this is a terrible idea. So because I carried you once I am now forced to keep carrying the same newbs regardless of what I want to do until we lose? That is really silly. If you play a game and win and you liked your team then you can party up and que with them on purpose forcing a re q seems dumb to me some of the wins I have there are ppl on the team kittening and moaning all game I dont want to re q with them on purpose weither we won that game or not.

You still could leave RA after win, if you disliked your team.

roelvanesch.2817:

Saiyan.1704:

DS is a Hard Counter to ALL condi build variant, with the exception of hybrid builds and I guess Necros.

Necros too. Viper is a hybrid amulet (both power and condition damage are equal).

Viper is by no means a hybrid amulet, it invests only in the stats that boost condi damage in one way or another

Viper is more offensive version of Carrion, it has: Power, Condition Damage, Precision and Expertise.
Have you mistaken it with Wanderer?

And here she is:

Better rework Coutyard into Anihilation map.

Urejt.5648:

What is the counter to condi rev?

Condi transfers and boon corruption ;-)

thewaterguy.4796:

It’s driving me insane too, I entered for my dailies, PuG group, went up against an obvious pre-made team, we were destroyed obviously, what the hell is going on? Shouldn’t premades have there own separate matchmaking?

The most annoying thing is, we had premade que, but it was removed.

WuGzaGenius.5684:

classes have nothing to do with matchmaking… lmao

…and they should. Since majority of players won’t change their profession, because of that balancing teams profession wise is as important as balancing teams MMR wise.

PUG vs 5 Premade
3 Thieves in one team
3 Rangers in one team

Fix it before Ranked season start, please. PLEASE!

I guess Viper Rev should tear Ele apart.

Ranked season starts December 1st…

Nobody knows when, but I haven’t noticed any “one-shot burst” meta, it’s pretty “slow” meta imho.

Added also NA builds into “Builds” section (each profession has its own section)

Two screens how it looks on site ;-)

gricks.1897:

In some cases, yes, this is true.

Necro/Reaper – Both are still viable.
DH/Guardian – Bunker guard is still valid, MediBurst is still valid
Scrapper/Engie – I still love running my Condi Engi over Scrapper in PvP
Chrono/Mesmer – This is debatable, I think it mostly is determined on playstyle. Chrono can make it easier, but standard Mesmer can still work just fine.
Daredevil/Theif – I honestly have not noticed a difference between these two. The only way I know the difference is the third dodge. Which is just a third dodge…
Berzerker/Warrior – This is the biggest one I see the Elite Spec being better than the base warrior, as it really seems to be, both from facing and playing.
Tempest/Ele- Both are still glass cannons, Tempest is just more flashy. I really think Tempest shines the most in PvE.

Cores aren’t viable (if viable = competitive), no matter what you will say.
Just look at builds used in Pro League.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Morwath.9817:

@Cogbyrn.7283
Well, if you remove trait line (make it not avalible for elites) not used by elite spec, you can buff it in future without worrying that you will overbuff elite spec, which makes balancing much easier ;-)

However this way we would end up with two Elite specs (core elite and HoT elite).

My biggest concern is that, at the end of this, the two elite specs would have to be perfectly balanced for whatever meta develops from it. That means 2 viable specs, at a minimum, across all 9 classes. If that is not the result, then you still have people feeling pigeonholed into a particular elite spec, and nothing has really changed (assuming the goal of this exercise is to make it so people don’t feel stylistically pigeonholed at a competitive level).

If some professions would have more than 1 viable build it would be already huge step in right direction, so far we got two professions without any viable build probably and everything else is pigeonholed into elite spec.

@Cogbyrn.7283
Well, if you remove trait line (make it not avalible for elites) not used by elite spec, you can buff it in future without worrying that you will overbuff elite spec, which makes balancing much easier ;-)

However this way we would end up with two Elite specs (core elite and HoT elite).

Cogbyrn.7283:

@Jourdelune: Sorry, but you purchased an MMO with a structured PvP aspect. You see the effect of them having to try to balance around all game modes all the time.

Just because you want to be blind to the fact that you’re playing an MMO because you put your PvP up on a pedestal, doesn’t mean you aren’t still playing an MMO like the rest of us.

If you want a MOBA game, there are plenty to choose from. GW2 isn’t one.

I disagree with you here, GW1 had its some of MMO and MOBA aspects separated a bit (e.g. some skills was working differently and went different balance routes for PvE and sPvP).

…and I believe GW1 was much better balanced, no idea why then try to balance both completly different modes together in GW2 =/

Cogbyrn.7283, it was just example. I believe it would require changes to “core” main line if Anet would go that route, I’ve also proposed in few threads moving Dhumfire to Reaper traitline, since it’s completly useless without RS.

Cogbyrn.7283:

My thought is that the “core” profession doesn’t need to be balanced with the “elite” profession, personally. It’s all just the profession. If you don’t have access to all of the content because you didn’t purchase the expansion, then it’s like any other MMO: you are behind.

At least you can still play with those who own the expansion, unlike basically every other MMO.

No, no, you don’t get the point. I have nowhere said that people should do fine without HoT…

Its completly different matter, for example, many Rangers dislike Druid (read: they dislike support/bunker aspect of it) and they would like to be competitive without its mechanics , I’ve same feeling about Necro<->Reaper, where I’m just forced to use RS over DS, just because RS is superior to DS as is Reaper superior to anything else than Spite/SoulReaping, even if I heavily dislike Reaper and its “melee” shroud.

As long as elite spec can pick anything else than other elite, it always will be unbalanced compared to core profession.
To balance non-elite aspect of profession, they need something core that has to be separated from elite, something that is equipped at same slot as currently elite trait line is (bottom) and probably should be mandatory for non-elite.
So, for example: core Necro would be forced to use Soul Reaping, while Reaper couldn’t equip SR as one of his trait lines.

Thoughts?

I’ve just noticed that if you go “Professions” (Game->Professions tab), you won’t find Revenant there.

vlad.4871:

lorddavito.2395:

assassin.7895:

i just watched helseth stream and saw ostrich eggs latest performance, it was really embarrassing. he also has 0 swag and helseth couldn’t procede watching the interview because of him. NA is really really bad, once more proven.

I’ve seen the same stream and indeed.. the amount of mistakes he made, serious mistakes and just using skills he shouldn’t even be using at all was just embarrassing..

Using signets to convert boons to condis?ye big mistakes

More like staff #4 without condis.

Zintrothen.1056:

Morwath, could you give screenshots of the teams’ builds like you did with the EU thread?

I’ve posted link to those few posts above – http://competitivegw2.blogspot.com/ .

I’ve got casual premade on my side… ok, kitten them, quit…
…are you sure, you will get 16 min deserter?
YES. IM kittenING SURE!
…relog 2 min later, no deserter.

Don’t get me wrong Cynz, but you’re complaining about Thieves all day (and night) long everyday and I haven’t seen a single suggestion in your posts what should be in your opinion changed to make Thieves viable again. Just random rants all around.

I’ve posted NA builds (may be a little wrong if there were any extra switches, since I wasn’t watching it carefuly – booooring) – http://competitivegw2.blogspot.com/ .

Elegie.3620:

Morwath.9817:

Alpha version of site : http://competitivegw2.blogspot.com/

This is pretty cool! Thanks a lot for your post and website, very useful.

On a side note, I wish Anet would invest more into spectating/replay features. Watching the stream is nice, but there’s no way you can study/learn a gameplay or review a team tactics with all these sudden POV changes…

Thanks you, I will try to add as many streams as possible on site so you could see whos streaming among Pro League participants (so far added Nos, Phanta, Chaithh, LordHelseth, ROM and Denshee).

Kicker.8203:

Dakarius.3284:

There was 1 thief running vanilla sa/da/tr

And lost 0-2. In eu there wasnt a single player without elite spec.

One would think they would leave a few vanilla builds meta so free players dont feel like its pay to win. Seems thats not the case. Every elite spec is better in all aspects. Right balancing would make you sometimes not to pick the elite traitline.

Honey played Water/Earth/Arcane.

Alpha version of site : http://competitivegw2.blogspot.com/

As promised…

Match 1 : Final Form vs Ez Pz Lemon Squeezy [2:0]

Final Form
-> Ranger, NM/Survi/Druid , Sentinel
-> Ranger, NM/Survi/Druid , Sentinel
-> Mesmer, Domination/Dueling/Chrono, Maruader
-> Mesmer, Domination/Dueling/Chrono, Maruader
-> Ele, Earth/Water/Tempest, Cele

Ez Pz Lemon Squeezy
-> Guardian, Valor/Virtues/DH, Marauder
-> Thief, DA/Trickery/SA, Marauder
-> Ele, Water/Earth/Tempest, Cele
-> Rev, Invocation/Retribution/Herald, Marauder [Switched in G2 to: Mesmer, Domination/Dueling/Chrono, Marauder]
-> Ranger, NM/BM/Druid, Cele [Switched in G2 to: Mesmer, Domination/Dueling/Chrono, Zerker]

Match 2: Spoookie vs Never Lucky [2:0]

Spoookie
-> Necro, Spite/SReaping/Reaper, Wanderer
-> Necro, Spite/SReaping/Reaper, Cele
-> Ele, Water/Earth/Tempest, Cele
-> Thief, Trickery/DA/DD, Marauder
-> Rev, Devastation/Invocation/Herald, Marauder

Never Lucky
-> Engi, Inv/Alchemy/Scrapper, Marauder
-> Thief, DA/Trickery/DD, Marauder
-> Ele, Earth/Water/Tempest, Cele
-> Ele, Earth/Water/Tempest, Cele
-> Rev, Retribution/Devastation/Herald, Marauder

Match 3: Apex Prime vs Team PZ [2:1]

Apex Prime
-> Ele, Water/Earth/Tempest, Cele
-> Guard, Valor/Virtues/DH, Marauder
-> Rev, Devastation/Corruption/Herald, Cele
-> Rev, Devastation/Corruption/Herald, Cele
-> Necro, Spite/SReaping/Reaper, Cele

Team PZ:
-> Ele, Water/Earth/Tempest, Cele
-> Mesmer, Domination/Inspration/Chrono, Marauder
-> Rev, Devastation/Inv/Herald, Marauder
-> Engi, Inv/Alch/Scrapper, Cele
-> Rev, Corruption/Retribution/Herald, Viper

————————————————————————————

Marauder : 14
Celestial : 13
Sentinel : 2
Viper : 1
Zerker : 1
Wanderer : 1

Revenant : 7
Elementalist : 7
Mesmer : 5
Necromancer : 3
Ranger : 3
Thief : 3
Engineer : 2
Guardian : 2
Warrior : 0

Purple Noise:

Rank 55 Dragons and their builds:

Chaotic Contingency builds:
*Some lacking data for Guard and Ele.

Kuya.6495:

Can we repost this stuff whenever one of those annoying anti-DH threads pop up?

Feel free.

Orange Logo builds:
*Both Revenants had the same builds.

Watch EU finals and see how 55 Rank Dragons tear apart “bunkers” like they would be made of paper with 3 Marauder, 1 Viper, 1 Cele composition…

@morrolan.9608
I will post some NA stats after NA Pro League.

TCG builds:

More Guns than Roses builds
*Guard amulet and rune weren’t shown on the stream, it’s more or less speculation based on replay.

I think I will just put all builds in this thread now, then I should work on some site to put them on…

Varmilion builds:
*Ele amulet and rune weren’t shown on the stream, but it was easy to figure looking on HP.