Guild Wars 2

I often get such lagspikes during prime time as EU player, on EU server, with 10 MB/s connection…

To get 3 pips you need to catch Pipboy himself and don’t let him score anything.

Oh noes, I did yday15-2 or so while multiclassing, nurf everything!

Thats pretty old feature.

Thats Guardian.

report them as you do with other kind of trolls

No, no. We need new stuff, not old stuff.

Yes, keep nerfing Druid because of Revenants and Scrappers…

Soryuju.8164:

apharma.3741:

Stilgar.6437:

calm down it was the worst build of all time. not only massively OP but so annoying to fight against, it simply made pvp not fun on any level of play. it ruined the pro league and the league system launch. props to devs for hotfixing it. The build is still OP in a way, but at least it has a major downside.

Mesmer is so strong in general due to alacrity, it will still have a place in the meta. But at least this bunker abomination is dead.

So very wrong.

DD ele after spec patch before they nerfed blinding ashes was the worst build of all time. They literally had to change the ESL rules to prevent people bringing 4 and a thief and dominating any team not bringing 4 eles.

Funny how people forget the way teams stacked 2-3 of guards, engies, eles and warriors at various times but suddenly lose their kitten if 2 of necro, ranger, mesmer and probably thief get stacked.

DD Ele was the worst in terms of single profession stacking during ESL tournies (still never went past 2 Eles on a team at the top levels), but games back then didn’t have scores of 35-0 after 10 minutes of play without a single cap for either team. That’s the difference between DD Ele and Bunker Mesmer. Both were dominant builds, but one at least allowed the game to progress.

Thats because DD Ele couldn’t see future!

Phantom.5389:

Stronghold > Bunker snooze fest for me.
It’s all subjective to what a person likes and dislikes.

Still no stronghold, but we got snowball mayhem wich is more action packed, so I’m not too worried for my holidays.

Merry holidays!

You can que SH since few hours.

Even non-pro League isn’t competitive and it wasn’t designed to be competitive, just look: soloQ vs premade problems, easily exploitable matchmaking, no VOIP/voice command system etc…

Why do I’ve instant pop as SoloQ vs 5 man Premade? Why?

“Stronghold will be back next week”,
“No Stronghold won’t be this week, but it will NEXT week”,
soon “We don’t know what Stronghold is”…

Nvm, its’ back.

Really……really…reallllllly………Vieux P.1238 your the only one who doesn’t care about Stronghold.

…but we got now hair styles…

Drennon.7190:

Morwath.9817:

So… you want art designers to replace devs?

Sure! They can’t kitten it up more than our current ones have.

And what they will do here?
Redesign Svarnir and Cheftain or Guild Lord and his bodyguards outfits?

So… you want art designers to replace devs?

I don’t know why Ranked isn’t disabled for non-HoT players, they are no better than people losing on purpose.

I’m rather happy about it. They will give us info after New Year what they want to change, then they will listen (?) to feedback before stuff goes live, so we may avoid fail patch.

Bunkers, a consequence of how does Conquest work. If you give more points for kills (e.g. 25 instead of 5) or give additonal objectives (e.g. plant flag in certain spot via channel to get extra points) than for random afking on points, then Bunkers may be less useful.

It requires you to crit.

I miss those bloody Asuras… not.

Pimsley.3681:

Instead of wasting resources on stuff like stronghold, edge of the mist, obsidian sanctum, new desert wvw they should have invested in allowing pvpers to hotjoin or private server during queue. As long as the activity is pvp related. That plus maybe a waterless Capricorn. Imagine how happy that would make pvpers. That may increase HoT sales for them and get good word of mouth from their user base.

Stronghold isn’t wasted resource, it’s already more fun than Conquest.

I will overcome it by not queing for Conquest when Stronghold will be back, easiest fix ever.

Agemnon.4608:

Morwath.9817:

Agemnon.4608:

Morwath.9817:

Bunkers aren’t the problem, but poorly designed objectives in Conquest are. Imho entire scoring (point holding/tick, kills and side objectives) require complete revamp, so just holding points would be less meagniful.

I think points need to be made bigger so you aren’t forced off a node if a DH or other class drops huge AoE’s. I say get rid of side objectives like lord or NPC killing and remove temple from the game completely.

If you do so, game will be even more about rotations instead of fights.

Fights should be determined by superior player skill not if they kill some NPC. The fewer the mechanics the more player skill determines an outcome. Problem with some maps is a side could pull ahead or catch up even though they were losing PvP battles and couldn’t take or hold points if they kill a lord or sneak some NPC kills in. Those maps are great otherwise but Khylo seems best despite the trebuchets and narrow points because no one can kill an NPC and gain massive points. Temple is just wrong, too vertical, narrow, and too many environmental factors that mitigate skill.

If you keep Conquest with it current rules as it is now, then it always will be all about contesting points and holding points. This way offanks and tanks (read: Bunkers) will always be the most dominant in the meta as long as they are viable.

Clearly this mode requires way more points for killing enemy players, like x5 (5->25), so actualy killing enemies would be more important than afking on points.

Other thing to gain points could be place to plant Flag via Channel, easily interrupted by anything, like Channels in Temple, you don’t need PvE and NPCs to have objectives.

Khylo is the worst map imho, its like a big jumping puzzle, where Blinks are superior…

Agemnon.4608:

Morwath.9817:

Bunkers aren’t the problem, but poorly designed objectives in Conquest are. Imho entire scoring (point holding/tick, kills and side objectives) require complete revamp, so just holding points would be less meagniful.

I think points need to be made bigger so you aren’t forced off a node if a DH or other class drops huge AoE’s. I say get rid of side objectives like lord or NPC killing and remove temple from the game completely.

If you do so, game will be even more about rotations instead of fights.

Bunkers aren’t the problem, but poorly designed objectives in Conquest are. Imho entire scoring (point holding/tick, kills and side objectives) require complete revamp, so just holding points would be less meagniful.

Because it can lead to 4v5.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

The system is broken in requiring grind even from the best players to get the backpiece. You need three matches per day for one of those achievements, which can take 4-5 hours for players in Diamond. Obviously there are fewer fair matches for top players, but even when solo queuing? It’s a little ridiculous when someone gets a two hour queue solo queuing, and then the game says “I can’t give you a match” and kicks him out of queue.

As I’ve said, I wouldn’t consider Diamond+Amber duo as an exploit.
However full premade of Diamonds + 1 Amber seems to be completly different thing, especially when that Amber is an alt account…

Azure The Heartless.3261:

I’m rescinding my sarcastic comment on this thread and saving it for a later time, due to word from balance devs.

Was it a…

zone.1073:

Firebird.8324:

Not warriors, who still have no reason to play this game or buy HOT.

^

Add to warriors’ Signet of Might the ability to make their attacks unblockable + immune to evade + corrupts Protection.

The masters of weaponry should have the unique ability of landing all attacks successfully (aside from invulnerability).

Warriors got issues with self sustaining, not dealing damage…

bloodpyrope.8630:

Morwath.9817:

zinkz.7045:

Exploiting the poorly designed league system seems rather tame when you consider on EU there is a team/players that have cheated in other actual tournaments.

You mean guys, who got their car crashed, or you mean other exploits like stowing Lightning Whip for extra heals from Signet of Restoration before it was fixed?

Good god, how far are you going to go with calling exploits on everything that’s buggy? Was it an exploit that ranger taunts were going through blocks? Should every ranger who used taunt while it was bugged be punished? Or when smokescales were hitting at 200% power? Or when vamp runes were bugged for ele downstate?

Besides, how are you supposed to differentiate between a “bug” and a “feature” certainly Anet has never bothered do, so I don’t see why you care so much.

I’ve simply asked zinkz what he meant…

Not much, but still better than nothing. I would love such small patches made more frequently.

Nova Stiker.8396:

Balance Team needs to go

They already did so, thats why there is no balance team ;-)

zinkz.7045:

Exploiting the poorly designed league system seems rather tame when you consider on EU there is a team/players that have cheated in other actual tournaments.

You mean guys, who got their car crashed, or you mean other exploits like stowing Lightning Whip for extra heals from Signet of Restoration before it was fixed?

Khainz.6215:

Morwath.9817:

…because of exploiters playing in it.

Edit: Removed “NA” from title, both EU & NA deserve same threatment, even if one has less exploiters… it sill has exploiters.

I really don’t see the exploits, queue with many teams for MMR exploits is already fixed; play with low rank players is part of the system.

You’re just complaining about the system, if Pro Players used the system for their benefit and you won’t, is not their fault.

If you say the system is broken (also my english),I agree, but I really think your topic is pointless.

If system is broken, abusing it for own benefit is called exploiting. Exploiting of in-game system isn’t allowed by Code of Conduct… how its not their fault.

Anyway, if ArenaNet doesn’t want to punish exploiters, we can punish them by ignoring their competition, since less viewers = less sponsors = less money for exploiters.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

@Morwath

I do believe that Chaith already responded to this one, but you ignored it. Noscoc named those teams to make fun of them, and the rosters of those teams is not full Abjured. They’re mixes of other teams in that guild. For example, my PvE guild has like 6 different teams. There are several people who are on multiple of them. I think that’s natural when it allows 10 teams.

In regard to Sunfish, would you care to give examples or are you just going to BM people randomly? Sunfish can be a kitten at times. He really can. And here’s something you need to understand. Most of the Pro League players? We still play for enjoyment. There isn’t enough money in it yet for it to be a job. It’s still something we do for fun. Of course, it’s nice to be rewarded for being good, but it’s still for fun.

Chaith said that others were responsible for names. However, if responsible person for that is Nos as you said… hes still Abjured member, isn’t he?

In regard to Sunfish, I was reffering to his thread and attutide he presented in it, like “understand my problem or I will farm you with my team hue hue hue”, what I’m supposed to think about such people…? For sure not “good sportsmanship”.

Anyway, I’ve written to support, where I’ve been told to contact exploits@arena.net or something like that, so I guess they may investigate those cases… and I hope they will do something about few exploiters, especially those who were involved into pro premade exploiting smurf to abuse Matchmaking case.

@OlrunTheBlade.1486
You’re saying that “The Abjured”, “Twitch Tv Chaithh” and “Twitch Tv Phantaram” were all different guilds, not just Abjured using Guild Leaderboard for shameless self promotion?

Also, using Sunfish as an example is great example of someone who cares more (if not only) about himself than anything else. His goal is the only thing that matters for him, make things enjoyable for him or he will exploit… such a “professional” player. You need to understand that professional players can do less than others, since they are playing for money, not just for self enjoyment.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

I’m wondering tough how you’d actually distinguish between intentional matchmaking manipulation and playing with friends? How does one determine what thier intent is? I’m not defending the Abjured. But you gotta admit that proving this without a shadow of a doubt is going to be pretty hard. Personally I myself are like in the middle with this issue. A valid reason for this could be exceptionally long que times. And consider gw2 itself leaves open space for a grey areas. I wonder what a solution would be here? Duo Queing, maby tripple queing? But then again Pro teams also need to practice and I can see them not wanting to practice all thier tactics with other pro esl teams. You’d want to stack the odds in your favour i guess.

You made really a good question. As I’ve said earlier (in already deleted without any track thread), it may require from ArenaNet a bit of work to judge it properly. While we can consider a screenshot, or even multiple screenshot as evidence of such horrible behaviour made by certain teams and/or players involved with those teams, ArenaNet can’t make judgement just based on those. It may require to check entire League match history of certain individuals to judge, if they were “playing with friends”, or they we’re rotating their friends the way they always have Amber/Emerald to “tank” Matchmaking Rating (MMR) of their premade. Problem gets even bigger when certain teams use alternative accounts (smurfs) with skilled players on them to fool the Matchmaking system in their favour, since those “smurfs” would be consider by system as inexperienced newbies with low MMR and lack of any activity in League.

Pro teams may need some practice thats true, but if you would browse forums and check those screenshots, you would notice that “teams” made of “pro players” were often teams containing member of multiple “pro teams” in one party, so those clearly weren’t practice groups trying to hide tactics from other “pro teams”.

I also can’t belive that pugstomping can be considered as practice for such skilled teams as Abjured or Team Pz…

We also should consider entire teams (full 5 man preamde) of Diamond/Rubies + single Amber/Emerald as completly different thing than people duo queing just to reduce que time even as Legendary Division + Amber.

hypehype.9047:

what exploit did they ues?

Glitches in Matchmaking system allowing you to find quicker and easier matches, so you could “farm” less skilled players in lower Divisions, which Matchmaking system was trying to prevent from happening.

HaxTester.9816:

In Guild Wars 1, we could interrupt Monks with rangers and mesmers, and even an axe warrior, to kill them. Maybe emphasize interrupts more in Guild Wars 2? Reduce stacks of stability, and make resistance negate damage from conditions only and not include fear, taunt and movement speed cc? I think what we are seeing now is people not being used to this kind of team coordination intensive battles. In GW1, monks were really hard to kill by yourselves, and we employed several tactics to kill them. What we are seeing now is the resurgence of a team composed 2 or 3 “monk/ritualist” members plus other members.

…but GW1 wasn’t about afking on points.

suffish.4150:

I will most definitely be watching it tonight, mainly because last week was the first time I watched a pvp event and I am now extremely hyped for any new events that get announced, I absolutely loved it last week and hopefully this week will be no different, I will be following until the end without a doubt.
As for the teams ‘exploiting’, do you mean how they can have multiple teams on the guild challenger leaderboard at the same time? I have seen a lot of discussion about that. To be honest though the players could do anything in game and I wouldn’t care, doesn’t make the pro league any less entertaining for me to watch.

More like exploiting Matchmaking glitches than abusing guild challenger leaderboard.

PowerBottom.5796:

Morwath.9817:

…because of exploiters playing in it.

Edit: Removed “NA” from title, both EU & NA deserve same threatment, even if one has less exploiters… it sill has exploiters.

So you’re saying EU has less exploiters?…. I really don’t think so….

Less exploiters at top level for sure… I’d say you will find less exploiters among top4 (55, TCG, oRNG, Verm) than on NA, where if someone is abusing hes actualy among top players from top teams…

nearlight.3064:

So I guess your website discussing it is going by the wayside?

I probably won’t watch it since I’m really busy this week and don’t have time so watch people struggle to take down god mode bunkers with condi revs.

My website was disabled when Leagues was launched without soloQ, as kind of protest.

Browrain.7346:

Congrats on taking a stand. I won’t be watching EU because they did the exact same thing.

Maybe I should also skip EU…

…because of exploiters playing in it.

Edit: Removed “NA” from title, both EU & NA deserve same threatment, even if one has less exploiters… it sill has exploiters.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

Well, I was afk twice because I fell asleep due to the boring bunker no risk, max reward meta.

EDIT: actually my head was on the keyboard, so it wasn’t technically afk…

You just proved that you aren’t right.
By playing bunker mesmer you got average reward and high risk!
You can fall asleep due to boredom and lose a match, how isn’t that high risk?!

Cynz.9437:

row… do something about them already -_-

Just report him.

morrolan.9608:

As for screenshots you don’t know why they are playing with lower division players, someone has already said Toker was playing with friends.

I can say that cows fly, it doesn’t mean that cows fly. There is no reason to actualy believe what people say, unless you got evidence to prove what they said is true.

Believing to empty claims is probably the most foolish thing you can do. I’d rather believe in random screenshot than care about what random guy has to say, and I should note that pip farmers playing among “Farmboys” who run together with guys on alt accounts aren’t more trustworthy than random unknown people.

morrolan.9608:

Celine.6857:

Firstly I loathe the use of “QQ” and the word “crying”, because nobody is ‘crying’, people are stating facts about the problems in what is a serious competitive area of PvP.

Following Chaith from topic to topic posting stuff irrelevant to what he was saying isn’t crying? And posting a screenshot is not stating facts.

How Celine can be following Chaith in topic made by Celine?
I’ve no idea how can you consider having different opinion than Chaith about something as crying, fanboys and pipboys everywhere around…

Also, screenshot is evidence and proof, while words are just words.

PowerBottom.5796:

hotfix: If you Q as 4+ players in a team, the lowest MMR player doesn’t count towards overall MMR….

hotfix: If you Q as duo or more, party MMR is equal to the highest MMR in party…

I just pointed that classic CDs given by skill descriptions, aren’t true for Chrono.

Pepsi.8907:

and after that 12 second they have what?
a 90 second CD from CS
a 50 second CD from distortion
a 45 cd from WoP
a 30 second CD from shield 4
a 12 second CD from BF

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Alacrity

Find yourself, what they have while properly rolling CDs under Alacrity.

Also I would contact support instead of posting screenshot here.