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As I’ve wrote in other topic:
“I encourage any of you to write in game report and then report this issue via “support” whenever you see such players abusing Matchmaking system, especially if you have evidence of them doing so.
They just deleted the most noisy thread about this issue, but we shouldn’t give a kitten about censorship and voice this issue as much as possible ;-)"
I’ve obviously reported via support and in-game report.
Good. As I wrote another thread last night on this very topic, I’d like to know exactly where you reported people abusing MMR because I do categorically not believe the thief we had on our team was simply a bad player, he was 100% trying to lower his MMR. Different case of abuse to the ‘exploit’ talked about in this thread, but is equally frustrating and not fun for anyone when we all get punished by being stuck in Emerald for 400 years because people intentionally want to lose matches.
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People lowering MMR by throwing, should be reported for -boting-.
You’re supposed to report them for boting.
Anet, just because you deleted the thread “Should ‘pro’ teams be punished for abusing?” doesnt mean we will forget it about.
Stop protecting pro players, be fair, admit your mistake, take proper action to earn our trust and fix the flawed system.
To make this game mode popular you need to please the mass, not the selected few.
As I’ve wrote in other topic:
“I encourage any of you to write in game report and then report this issue via “support” whenever you see such players abusing Matchmaking system, especially if you have evidence of them doing so.
They just deleted the most noisy thread about this issue, but we shouldn’t give a kitten about censorship and voice this issue as much as possible ;-)"
I’ve obviously reported via support and in-game report.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_Bash
Shield Bash
½s Activation time | 20s Recharge time
“Bash your foe with your shield and stun them.”
Damage: 302 (1.0)
Stun: 2s
Combo Finisher: Leap
Range: 450thats what we have currently. what if, we make it into a mobility skill as well?
Shield Bash
½s Activation time | 20s Recharge time
“Leap forward to bash your foe with your shield and stun them. If a foe is not hit by the bash, the skill’s recharge is halved and range is doubled.”
Damage: 302 (1.0)
Stun: 2s
Combo Finisher: Leap
Range: 450i.e. you travel 900 distance if you do not hit any target.
the bash only works within 450 though. 450 – 900 is the extra distance traveled, no damage and no stun if contact with foes.discuss!
If we compare with Tides of Time (Chrono Shield #5), Warrior Shield #5 is missing positive effect for Warrior (ToT gives Quickness, blocks projectiles AND stuns).
I’d rather have Protection or Regeneration than Toughness.
hmmm what about
Shield Stance
3s Activation time | 25s Recharge time
“Block attacks. Gain protection and regeneration when you block an attack."
Duration: 3s
Regeneration (3s):
Protection (3s):there is a 5 cap on duration based boons right? so the best is that they can get 15 seconds if they block 5 attacks.
If you want to cap it, you can give it ICD and make longer duration e.g. 5.
hmm giving it ICD would defeat the purpose of the buff.
i think 3 seconds per block is fair and just XD
Does 1 s ICD defeat purpose of the buff? If boons given would last 5s, then if someone would keep bashing you during block, you still would get 15s. However it would prevent sick stacking while under focus by multi people.
It’s just good sportsmanship. Like a bow after a fencing match.
I’d say its bad sportsmanship.
Losing team is supposed to judge if game was good, winners should only respond. Otherwise losing team may have feeling of “gg, easy”.
I’d rather have Protection or Regeneration than Toughness.
hmmm what about
Shield Stance
3s Activation time | 25s Recharge time
“Block attacks. Gain protection and regeneration when you block an attack."
Duration: 3s
Regeneration (3s):
Protection (3s):there is a 5 cap on duration based boons right? so the best is that they can get 15 seconds if they block 5 attacks.
If you want to cap it, you can give it ICD and make longer duration e.g. 5.
I’d rather have Protection or Regeneration than Toughness.
People play stronghold? Not really. ESL doesnt even support it. Stronghold was a waste of development. Bunker Chrono needs to be fixed ASAP it is killing PvP, it makes it not fun. I just got out of a match where the first 5 min of the game was no caps no deaths because of double bunker mes on both teams. This just is not fun. Period.
So…? Who cares actualy if ESL does support it or not, how many players participate in ESL tournaments? I’d say, we have more players who Stronghold only, than players who participate in ESL GW2 events.
I encourage any of you to write in game report and then report this issue via “support” whenever you see such players abusing Matchmaking system, especially if you have evidence of them doing so.
They just deleted the most noisy thread about this issue, but we shouldn’t give a kitten about censorship and voice this issue as much as possible ;-)
Warrior is already arguably forced into using a shield; in the current meta. All your proposed changes would do is solidify that.
Same as are Revenants.
Week 3 link doesn’t work for me.
I’ve rather thought something like picking your proposal 1, AND, e.g.:
*Shield Stance now grants regeneration to Warrior and Allies.
*Shield Bash now grants protection to Warrior and Allies.hmmm but the defense line is mostly about personal defense for the warrior.
tactics line is more group support.that’s why i cannot understand why they put “power synergy” as a tactics grandmaster trait!
Those boons aren’t supposed to be trait based, just update to abilities, since new Shield skills (Herald/Revenant) outclass Warrior Shield completly.
I’ve rather thought something like picking your proposal 1, AND, e.g.:
*Shield Stance now grants regeneration to Warrior and Allies.
*Shield Bash now grants protection to Warrior and Allies.
…Rev shield probably still would be better ;(
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Still not even close to Shield Revenant has.
I would pick proposal 1 and also suggest Protecton and Regeneration added to Warrior Shield skills.
Smurfing was gonna happen and we all knew it when GW2 went F2P. Problem is that there’s no way to control it (ban IP to log from another account? don’t think so). I’d say let them play in low ranks so the new players in pvp can see for themselves that it takes more than copy/paste builds to win.
Ban entire premade, which had profit in tanking MMR while using their F2P friend.
People won’t risk getting their main accounts banned, because they need HoT to stay competitive, so its not real F2P. In best case for Anet, they need to buy GW2:HoT once again…
If they soloQ of their alt accounts its imho completly fine.
If they make alt accounts to tank their guildies MMR in premade, they are abusing system and should be probably permanently banned.
I didn’t blame these players at first, now I do. Disgusting. They never play alone, always as premade exploting mmr. Good thing blade and soul has a beta this weekend so I don’t have to play vs this garbage
Emerald “Pip Eater” – lol.
I DuoQ’d mostly from Diamond to Legendary with a friend who was Emerald/Sapphire. Who gives a kitten though? Let’s just accuse everyone of exploiting!
So funny, in each single screenshot you’re in 5 man premade of Diamonds with one Amber/Emerald.
Sure – I’d love to see the many screenshots you clearly have of this.
If you would love, then search all the topic about teams abusing matchmaking, you will find them posted by some users.
I DuoQ’d mostly from Diamond to Legendary with a friend who was Emerald/Sapphire. Who gives a kitten though? Let’s just accuse everyone of exploiting!
So funny, in each single screenshot you’re in 5 man premade of Diamonds with one Amber/Emerald.
Asking for refund if no fix next week, seriously. Its like completly disabling PvP.
I don’t think there is much discussion needed.
What makes mesmer OP now and not before as a bunker is
- 4 1/2 s block on 30s CD
- 3s evade on kitten CD
- massive personal alacrity to reduce these cooldowns as well as the others (blurred frenzy, shatters, heal etc…)
solution:
- The block needs a trim (3.5s block would be more reasonable).
- The evade well either provide distortion instead of blur or a CD increase
- the personal alacrity needs to be reduced and offer more counterplay. Make it a boon (to get counterplay), do a mild reduction of duration to make up for possible boon duration. And remove/reduce personal alacrity (i.e. “improved alacrity” and “flow of time”)
All of this would be a nerf to bunker mesmer, but not a nerf to core mesmer nor a nerf to PvE mesmer. Actually, PvE has better boon duration, distortion is stronger than blur for PvE, and the shorter block would mean phantasm up faster, and PvE rarely shatter so they don’t care about flow of time.
In general, I think damage from shatters should be reduced (but not destroyed) while sustained damage should be increased BY A LOT. This would be a huge improvement in PvE, and this would allow more diversity in PvP. Mesmer still has almost nothing between full burst or full bunker, simply because we have no sustained damage to be a bruiser. Basically if we can’t 100-0 someone, then we can’t kill him. This one-trick poney is boring.
You want to Boonshare Alacrity? What a cunning kitten…
I just spent a whole match guarding a point from someone who did no damage to me… Booooooooooring.
So you got free win.
Could Anet finaly hire Community Managers who would communicate with community?
What a preposterous idea!
I guess their current community managers and developers would actually like to talk about what they plan for the future. But we all know, that the company policy doesn’t allow them to do so.
They have to work on that company policy like yesterday. It is so contrary to what players expect today with Kickstarter and open development projects to hide informations until the very last moment if possible.
Just look at how Grinding Gear Games is handling Path of Exile to get an idea about how to handle a community well. They constantly respond to feedback on both their forum and reddit. Not just community managers but everyone… from artist to coders who give really indepth insight into their code up to the producer and CEO of GGG.
Today they will launch the next league and content update. About 4 weeks ago they announced the big content update which follows after todays update in Q1 of 2016.
It gives informations about new content, new gameplay system etc…
Just look at this:
https://www.pathofexile.com/ascendancyOr look at this:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1401804They are really open about the development of their game. If something doesn’t work and gets changed or removed, they make sure the community knows why. And wow, that community is thankful for that. You never see posts regarding canceled features, because if they cancel something, they explain why.
What ANet has to do is take a good look at how other studios handle and interact with their players and change their company policy accordingly (which basically means get a new one).
Ty for reminding, time to tryhard in new hardcore league.
How upset would you guys be?
After all, a lot of problems contribute to people creating teams. Whether to abuse the system or not, having a team of friends gives a decent advantage. But then again, the only time you will be able to play with your friends is unranked or hotjoin. It’s a solo fight to the top and you might fight your friends along the way.
Before you say, “JUST ADD A SPLIT IT’S THAT EASY” well not really. How do you split it? Should there be a SoloQ and TeamQ League? Or should the split share the same league latter? What about the MMR? Should SoloQ or TeamQ have the same MMR? What happens when a player goes to Legendary in TeamQ but has not once played a single SoloQ game, should they be treated like legendary? There is really no perfect system without making an entirely new league, which means even more grinding.
Id say… implement GvG from GW1, add nice rewards (e.g. unique weapon/armor skins, finishers etc) to motivate people.
This way we would have:
a) soloQ League
b) GvG League with Guild Ladder
So I’m still in Emerald, and I don’t lose often. Just wanna point that out. I just hate 4 minute queues. Wanna point out you guys and your attempted math show off is just bogus.
You hate 4 minute queques? Fun start once they are going above 10 minutes and matchmaking is throwing you against matchmaking manipulators, because they are the “closest” to you…
So If 4 of us Ruby/Sapphire Division people in the guild (because we play a lot more) and qued with our Amber/Emerald guildie (because they do not play often)
is that considered match manipulation?
If not, how is that different from the top tier people when they do it?
Exploit imho.
You always can invite random Amber to your guild and act like its your friend.Wtf. At this point I have to wonder if you’re trolling or not since apparently everything is an exploit to you. It takes like 1-2 weeks depending on your playtime to get to Sapphire+. If I queue with my buddy who’s been busy with finals or something and as a result is an amber, it’s not a godkitten exploit.
It takes 2-3 days max to get to Sapphire, at this point I don’t know if you’re trolling or not.
So If 4 of us Ruby/Sapphire Division people in the guild (because we play a lot more) and qued with our Amber/Emerald guildie (because they do not play often)
is that considered match manipulation?
If not, how is that different from the top tier people when they do it?
Exploit imho.
You always can invite random Amber to your guild and act like its your friend.
Could we get public test servers, where Dev Team could gather data? League system shows once again, that some stuff requires testing before being implemented on live servers.
so you wont come back…
Could Anet finaly hire Community Managers who would communicate with community?
Hey, wait 6 months and they will have another “balance patch” where they update tooltips.
You mean they will reduce visual noise?
I agree with your points.
Eh, unique rewards for PvP’ers is the cash grab for pro players. Normal people who just grind should get the backpiece. It’s no different than any other legendary in the game. I mean hell, it’s just a game.
Indeed, they don’t need special backpiece and special badge, because they got “fame” and money.
tl;dr
Using NA as example for balancing is like poor joke, you basicaly could balance around hotjoin teams and it would be as much accurate…
Id suggest you counting Mesmers in EU Pro League… then counting Revenants.
So its even bigger failure than we thought?
Wait what? According to TyrnotianYeti or w/e his name is, only NA was doing this. EU does this too??
Looks like disease reached our candy land ;(
You see, we will get more and more kittenty behaviour (known as exploiting) if abusers aren’t punished…
I’ve feeling they disabled Stronghold just to force huge part of community to Conquest, you know entire Guild Challenger ladder was supposed to be Conquest thing, but it can’t work if guild teams play Stronghold instead of Conquest.
They do give us information Morwath. The code of conduct. You just don’t know how to interpret it and are on a crusade to condemn pro players. As someone has already proved you wrong: you can’t prove that they are tanking MMR, and it is simply due to anets lack of a proper system.
What logic is this?
You could say they can’t prove that they aren’t tanking MMR.
Also Shockwave post logic is like Thief has stolen apple, because he was hungry, it’s fine, blame the system he was hungry, I’ve stopped responding to this guy, because his “arguments” make no sense.
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Also if they would want just reduce que time, they would duo que with someone with slightly lower MMR, so matchmaking still could find fair match… but, they don’t. What we see now are parties full of diamonds/rubies and single amber to fool matchmaking system.
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I agree. There is still repeatable Legendary to show difference between tryhards and the rest. Otherwise many players may just quit after reaching Ruby and Ranked will just dry.
Exploit: A premade takes low mmr players in their composition to lower overall team mmr.
->Ways to have a lower mmr player:
You ask a new player to join your team
You create a new account and join the team (this is even worse because the player at the new account is (in most cases) a very experienced player
You dunk a players mmr on safe spots on leagues, amber (all tiers), emerald and sapphire (on tier change ), this way you lower mmr but don’t lose pipsSolution:
Players will fall in two categories:
A – Ruby or above
B – Sapphire or belowIn the ranked pvp queue check if the party has mixed players from categories A and B, if so disallow them from entering the queue and inform them:
Players in ruby or above can only queue with ruby or above players.
Hope this helps
Allow them to que together, just pick the highest MMR/division in party as party MMR/division instead of average.
Mantra heal is great for the sentinel meat shield build, it really negates conditions extremely well when the heal is backed up with quickness and alacrity, in order to load up on condition removal.
You’re wrong. Well of Eternity is better for Bunker Mesmer, for couple of reasons.
And who told you i can’t run a trapper druid? Cause you know…i kinda am.
Because you’ve to go Wildness Survival and sacrifice utilities.
Seems like morwath got stomped by some premades and is now on a kitten crusade. Lmao the biggest whiner I’ve seen. Nowhere does it state a diamond player cannot queue with an amber player. Thats not a flaw, thats not an exploit. If anet wants to implement restrictions based off divisions at some point, they can. As it stands now that is not implemented, so its not a rule. Its not like they are bypassing some MMR restriction lmao is this guy serious?
Also, stop complaining about running into premades. It’s the nature of this type of queue. Where teams, and solo players share the same league its going to happen. This isn’t solo queue. If you want to solo queue in an everything queue, then thats your problem. I agree this league system is dumb, team and solo queue should be seperated but thats simply not the case at this time. Please stop crying
Seems like Morwath got to Sapphire in two days of tryharding as soloQ, then stopped playing (read: I haven’t qued since a week) because of how flawed system is for our amazing competitive que. Probably would be Diamond by now with amount of free time I currently have (basicaly enough to grind 16h a day >_>‘). However Anet decided to remove Stronghold, so I can’t even enjoy game in non-competitive que, since I don’t want to take part in Bunker Wars 2.
This discussion isn’t about premade vs soloq, but people abusing matchmaking system on purpose and flawed matchmaking system. Also, since I’ve plenty time now, due to disabled Stronghold I’ve started to read forums more often and track issues and abuses, as a result I’ve made this stawpoll ( http://strawpoll.me/6197394/r ). Since majority of voting people (70%) think abusers should be punished, while minority (12%) think they shouldn’t be, I’m just voicing opinion of majority in this case.
Tbf the population hasn’t catched up at all.
Population can’t catch up because of the matchmaking system
Because system is abused, they will probably never catch and our “pros” will complain about que times…
The most annoying part in this case is silence of Anet. If they would give us information that:
a) It’s not abuse.
b) It’s abuse and exploiters will be punished.
c) It’s abuse and exploiters will be punished for only future exploiting.
Nobody would discuss this anymore.
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Dragon Hunter wrecking guide for rangers:
1. Slot condi amulet with some defense (carrion, rabid, settler)
2. Slot traps, especially viper’s nest
3. Slot signet of stone or lightning reflexes
4. Show em who’s got the bigger, badder traps.
5. Profit.
Why would you play such inferior kittened build, if you can just Druid DHs down.
Hey guys,
If you want to avoid this kind of game :
No more rooting for Rank 55 Dragons.
Out of curiosity…. a question for the whole community: how can Abjured BEAT everything thrown at them when the rest of the community( including other TOP teams) complain about the flavour of the month meta?
This Abjured team simply wins against everything deemed OP and broken by the rest of the community, they can play classes/build deemed UP by the rest and still own left and right…..are they gods…or simply better than the rest of us?
With this in mind, there is one last thing to say: with the majority of nerf requests ( made by me also) the level of skill of the parties involved, it’s never showed or explained…ask yourself why..
It’s simple, Abjured and other NA teams are like two completly different worlds, both skill wise and game knowledge.
Other NA teams couldn’t even copy EU builds without changing stuff in them and reducing their effectiveness… lets look at NA Bunker Mesmers as example: they replaced Well of Eternity with Mantra of Recovery in heavy condition meta, so they couldn’t anymore Continuum Split their heal CD, they got horrible long cast time on it (even with quickness) so it was super easy to interrupt.
If we look at Eura build, its just horrible. Even if it can hold point pretty well, it’s bad at contesting it, because no real pressure with his weapon sets… no evade/block frames and reduced mobility because of no Sword/GS… also lack of both damage, healing power or MM for longer daze duration make it close to useless in teamfights.
Celestial Revenants? Kitten, please…
Also stacking bunker Mesmers… cmon.
@Shockwave.1230, I would respond to each single sentance you’ve made, but I guess its waste of my time, you will defend your friends/heroes anyway.
Terms of Service, replace it with Code of Conduct.
I’d suggest reading it (currently not loading, so I won’t quote it for you) : https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/
So in short, gaining anything due to not intended use of in-game systems isn’t allowed, if you notice anything that can be abused, you should report it and not exploit it (read: you shouldn’t try to fool MM by picking low MMR to reduce total MMR of premade and to be matched against much weaker players than you), otherwise any exploits can be threaten by temporal or permanent account suspension.
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They aren’t doing anything wrong by queuing with low tiers, they are just trying to play the game in the competitive queue. The system takes that completely away from some people as it currently exists if you don’t take low queue players.
So?
-> Is system flawed? Check: Yes.
-> Are they abusing flaws in system? Check: Yes.
-> Are they abusing for personal gains? Check: Yes.
-> Do other players are disadvantaged because of abusing? Check: Yes.
-> Is abusing/exploiting against Code of Conduct? Check: Yes.How are they abusing the TOS specifically?
TOS?