Guild Wars 2

Kreedz.8127:

$50 & Some gold = 4500 Gems

4500 Gems = 50 BL Keys

50 BL Keys = 50 Chests Opened

Results:

1 Claim Ticket
13 Claim Ticket Scraps
22 Support Reminder bags
0 BL Keys

You’ve effectively put me off purchasing anything from your gem store for a good while, Until I decide you guys have stopped treating us like stupid cattle.

Regards,
Formerly Paying Customer.

What was your expected return?

Ursan.7846:

Mourningcry.9428:

Maybe I missed something but how’d they get to that $45 estimate? From the reddit:

“And now we know. The average price of getting a weapon ticket is equivalent to 40 black lion keys, or 3600 gems, or $45. That’s the price of one of these skins. Are you willing to pay it?”

Can someone point me to how they came to that?

I believe they’re basing off the assumption that 1. you don’t get the golden ticket and that 2. the scraps have a 25% chance.

Not very rigorous, but I imagine it’s a decent estimate.

Ok… Thanks.

My gut feeling is that it’s a rather generous estimate.

Maybe I missed something but how’d they get to that $45 estimate? From the reddit:

“And now we know. The average price of getting a weapon ticket is equivalent to 40 black lion keys, or 3600 gems, or $45. That’s the price of one of these skins. Are you willing to pay it?”

Can someone point me to how they came to that? Are they just basing it off current TP prices?

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Mourningcry.9428:

In the upper left “Events” area, it does indicate what tier the event is.

Doesn’t show until you actually start it…which forces us to have to reset it and guess again!

I just edited my post.

But it’s not really too much of a guess… The top difficulty is always at the top. There are only four tiers… all tiers available are shown… not really a whole lot left to deduce or guess at.

In the upper left “Events” area, it does indicate what tier the event is.

Edit:
True, it happens after selection, but it’s something.

I mean, there are only four tiers, the top one is always the highest difficulty…. just saying.

CanadianZombie.6095:

…
But you’re still seeing it as a “I have this you don’t thing” but as mentioned by Andrew giving people ONE LAST CHANCE on Christmas STILL makes it pretty rare. Not everyone will get it but again, my point to this is to give people the opportunity to get something they COULDN’T but wished they could of. They aren’t any less of veterans because they had real life issues preventing them from being there while it was available.
…

I get that real life happens. And when it does, missing something in a game should be a non-issue.

One time events are one of the few reward mechanics that actually reward players for participating in events. Offering exclusive rewards outside of these events trivializes the event and can foster a “meh, I’ll just wait and get it later” attitude that not only diminishes the event, but also, to an extent, diminishes the efforts of those who gave their time to partake in the event.

While personally, I could care less if events and exclusives are repeated or offered via alternative means, I do recognize that’s it’s a powerful mechanic for gaming companies to spark interest in the game, increase patronage, and at the same time reward the players for taking part in the event.

Ultimately, while it’d be a utopia for some to have everything, it’d be just as much a wasteland for others who value that exclusivity.

Who’s to say which is more valuable? From the company’s perspective, and for the long term viability of the game, satisfying which group is the better investment? I dunno.

Lord Kuru.3685:

With the new dungeon rewards coming, do you think Anet will/should reward smaller parties more? That would be nice if a solo effort could get as much gold per time put in as a full party!

Heh.. and maybe a cost to kick player(s)?

I joke, but you know some fool and his buddy would do it.

Longer, or duration of run time, isn’t likely to be the sole determining factor. Lots to consider, and a few discussions on it already. While AP4 can take a long time, it’s arguable thakittens level of difficulty warrants any greater reward due primarily to unavoidable minimum duration.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/The-Blog-post-that-killed-CoF-path-1/first

Ursan.7846:

Mourningcry.9428:

Curious as to what the metrics for determining “difficulty” and “length” will be… And along those lines, which will be the more heavily weighted.

I imagine they’ll be using a combination of the following metrics to determine these.

1. Average dungeon completion time
2. Variance on dungeon completion time (larger variance = more skilled groups cut more time?)
3. Rate of success/failure (Would love to see what it’s like TBH). Can be overall or for specific bosses, perhaps (i.e. Simin, or specific events like AC Hodgins defense from burrows)
4. Percentage/frequency players are getting downed.

Just some ideas off the top of my head. I’m 99% positive they keep track of data which they can use to calculate above metrics.

No doubt they have the data, but the devil’s always in the details, isn’t it?

Take for example COF, COE, HOTW and Arah data vs the other instances. These instances are fundamentally different from the other instances in that their tokens can be converted into ectos. Does this add or subtract to their weighting? Should it not count?

Further COE, HOTW and Arah are the only three that don’t downlevel you, so, how do normalize the metrics for the other dungeons? How large is the variance between the minimum level in blues/greens and fully geared exo/acd 80? Do you even normalize, or does the downleveling serve enough of as a normalization?

How far back can you mine the data? Since the last “fix” to the dungeon perhaps? Because before then, any data would be suspect due to questionable tactics?

I think you get the idea. But simply put, whatever metrics they take, I do believe they’ll end up with a reasonable sampling of the current and past dungeon runner population.

However, this is not at all representative of the potential population once the rewards are announced. Make them enticing enough, and you’ll have an entirely new population. Make them unappetizing, and you’ll lose a significant portion of your population who’ll move on to greener pasteurs. In either case, skewing it, and rendering those once representative metrics irrelevant.

Sorin.4310:

Mourningcry.9428:

Uther Deathhand.1570:

…
Completion rewards will be guaranteed, and we’ll vary the amount of gold earned based on difficulty and length of each dungeon path.

Curious as to what the metrics for determining “difficulty” and “length” will be… And along those lines, which will be the more heavily weighted.

I’m interested in this too. Though I’m guessing they have been able to collect length of time it takes a group, number of players downed, deaths, maybe damage taken, etc. Just remains to be seen what weighting factor each of those should have.

Edit: Okay I just reread what you wrote and then what I wrote and basically I repeated what you said lol. Time to stop posting tonight I think.

+1 Upvoted!

How could I not?

You may want to check out Gamasutra, or various GDC blogs and coverage if you find this interesting. There are much more critical reviews and discussions out there. Enjoy.

Edit: http://www.gamasutra.com/

Eh… highly over-simplified and generalized. Nothing wrong, a fine opinion, but nothing really revolutionary. But hey, that’s just an old " 1st gen nerd’s " opinion.

Uther Deathhand.1570:

…
Completion rewards will be guaranteed, and we’ll vary the amount of gold earned based on difficulty and length of each dungeon path.

Curious as to what the metrics for determining “difficulty” and “length” will be… And along those lines, which will be the more heavily weighted.

Ursan.7846:

The price shall depend on how many votes you can mobilize, good sir.

But of course… could be one of those few products that increases in price with more you have to sell

Why vote for free if someone may be willing to pay you to do it?

Anyone else want in on this?

Anyone wanna buy my vote(s)?

;)

Airwolf.7382:

Quite recently, 10 Jul, I bought €20 worth of gems. And today people are getting kites for purchasing gems in the past months. But for some reason the people who bought gems THIS month (me included) get the cold shoulder and are left with nothing but an open inventory slot. Why the hell is that!?!?

Simple answer, you don’t deserve it.

Had you purchsed even 400gems from ANet anytime during the three previous months you would have. But you didn’t. So, you don’t.

The Kites are a very gracious way for ANet to thank people for their support. You didn’t financially support them during that time period.

Maybe you’re recent purchase will be acknowledged, maybe not. Highly likely that anyone who did receive a kite didn’t expect any acknowledgement.

GG

Very impressive.

Think of it as an incremental reward for gaining 500 APs since the last “Large Acheivement” which is awarded for each thousand APs.

And for every 5 of those (2500APs) you get a Heavy reward.

It’s more of an incremental reward system as opposed to a cumulative one, with the benefit of potentially more desirable rewards only being offered at the higher cumulative AP.

Boban.7013:

I just logged in with my low lvl character, took AP chest reward, i chose skin for another character and now i see that shupid skin is soulbound to another character. Why its not Soulbound after use? Or Account bound?
OMG Arena THINK! We all have more than one character (I have 9 of them).

1) It clearly indicates in the mouse-over that you can get additional copies in the achievements tab.

2) Even if it was soulbound you could have transmuted it

3) Even if you were still ignorant of those two points, you could have clicked the “Save for Later” option, logged on to the character you wanted, and picked the reward than.

OMG Player THINK!

selfdisplaced.5781:

I’m not complaining about getting free stuff. It sucks though that my achievement points are being wasted on stuff I will never use. You can’t get the rewards back, so seems like a complete waste and doesn’t seem like much of a ‘reward’.

Yes, you are complaining about free stuff.

And if ANet hadn’t decided to provide rewards for your APs, do tell what you would have done with those them instead of having them “being wasted”?

Pymp.9742:

That the prices for some of the consumables are just way out of line. I see that the cost of a single recovery package costs 300 gems or the equivalent three dollars. This seems unusually high as do the prices for black lion keys (which guarantee nothing and usually deliver on that promise) and a few other items.

Most of the other black lion offerings are fairly priced and I would like to see these items looked at for value/price considerations.

And for those who are going to say “don’t buy them if you think their too high” I didn’t but I am looking out for the company that is still making this game fun for me.

They would sell more things if they lowered their prices and as none of it has any physical value they would have absolutely nothing invested in the process.

It’s a simple case of “bundling”.

Individual prices:

Repair Canister – 70each, 5 for 300 (50 savings vs 350, or 60 per unit)
Revive Orb – 250 each, 5 for 900 (350 savings vs 1250, or 180 per unit)

Recovery Package – 300, 5 for 1200 (300 savings vs 1500, or 240 per unit)

The Recovery Package offers a savings of 20 per “unit”. No benefit for 5 of each.

Nothing nefarious going on here. The incentive is simply to offer you a better deal for a larger single purchase. And in doing so, reduce the cost per unit (kind of what you’re asking for).

Edit: I get you’re essentially asking for prices for the individual units to be lowered, but that gets into a discussion of opportunity cost and other concepts. Needless to say, there’s no doubt been a lot of consideration given to pricing, and while your opinion may be that they’d “make it up in volume”, it’s hard to substantiate on hypothesis alone.

I also should have read the whole thread, Khisanth offers a good practical analysis of the bundle.

Celestina.2894:

So I stopped reading as soon as I saw the part about making weapons useless

Was I right in assuming it was just a attempt to disguise a balance rant?

Spot on.

Tumult.2578:

Thanks for your definition of what a nerf is but I don’t see how that applies to this issue. Clearly, the issue is not how a Legendary looks, it is exactly about the fact that it’s skills can be nerfed to the point of making the Legendary worthless in one or more of the game areas. Again, every server will be different but take a look at the value drops since the last patch.

Legendary skills = Exotic skills = Rare Skills = MasterWork skills = Common skills

The only difference is the magnitude of their effectiveness.

Your whole point has nothing to do with (1) Endgame, (2) Legendaries, (3) any other context outside of weapon skills.

nolop.8095:

My ears, how are you this fine morning ? Ready for a little experiment ?
I’ll cut to the chase to keep it short. (If you want to know the reasons behind this, I’ll put them at the bottom)

This experiment will take about 15 to 20 minutes of your time if you want to participate.
Here is what you have to do:

1. Log out/in to your character screen.
2. Pick the character that is in the middle of your character list. (If you have an even number of characters take the one further to the right side)
3. Log in to the game with that character and play for at least 10 minutes with the following rules:

• You can not leave the area the character is currently in.
  (If you are in a city you may leave the city through the closest gate)
• You can not enter dungeons.

4. Enjoy the cake

If you have done so, summarize your experience, was it fun ? If so, why ? If not why ?

The reason for this experiment:
A lot of people seem to play only for rewards. It’s almost like having fun is completely tied to the reward. I wondered if this is true on a level of the games mechanics or if it’s something that’s just in the heads of players.
If a games mechanics are fun it should not matter what kind of reward the player gets.
Fun is the reward.
I’m curious what results come out of this.

Ok, I’ll bite…

Logged in, 80 Thief, Mount Maelstrom.

Hunted holos/aetherblades & harvested (daily was already done, otherwise, would have done that). No drops of any note. Fun? Not exactly Vegas on a Friday night, but not as bad as watching paint dry.

Then again, this is not a new zone to me, don’t need it for completion. Had it been my first time here, the experience would obviously have been different. Had a ticket, precursor, or the like dropped, it would have been a different experience.

Not really sure what you’re expecting from this? Should “fun” just be handed to you? What’s “fun” to each player?

The constraints are so biased, the result set is obviously going to be skewed to a particular portion of the player base.

Obviously a player values their time, so, once they’ve decided to play, they’re going to go to the type of play that they enjoy most; be it PvP, WvW, instances, story, etc.

Perhaps a more “interesting” experiment would be to ask about the last 10 minutes of a play session. i.e. What had a player accomplished that they felt it was time to log off, or conversely, what frustrated them to cease play.

So, now, in fairness, what did you garner from my trial?

Rudi.9230:

All players that purchased a Rich Dragon Coffer before the fix above was added will receive 1 Dragon’s Revelry Starcake recipe via in game mail as compensation. This compensation is scheduled to be delivered in a few days.

this item suddenly appeared
i always check gw2db and no idea about this item but suddenly release
http://www.gw2db.com/recipes?filter-recipe-date-added=4%2f30%2f2013
:(
i feel not fair about this
u should tell all player before release the patch or give 1/2 day before compensation to player who buy rich coffer too ~_~

nice filter on

Try and see it from the perspective of those that bought Rich Coffers. They had (1) no knowledge of the recipie and (2) zero chance of obtaining one. Yet they still bought them.

The compensation is very fair and generous from ANet, and I’m sure it’s appreciated by those it’s intended for.

nice filter off

What you’re asking for is ridiculous from then sense that with the current knowledge, purchase of a Rich Coffer yields a gauranteed return. Further it should be insulting to the intelligence of anyone reading this that you would think they can’t see this post as anything but the thinly veiled whine for free stuff as it is.

Currently open on Blackgate. No idea how long it’s been open. GL.

tolunart.2095:

Mourningcry.9428:

I just wish odds for getting a Jade ticket were as good as refreshing this sub-forum and seeing a new RNG rant saying the same old things.

But… you’d run out of bank space…

Don’t even get me started on the bank space rants….

I just wish odds for getting a Jade ticket were as good as refreshing this sub-forum and seeing a new RNG rant saying the same old things.

Donari.5237:

… ah the days of yore. I got a full graphic Zork and it just wasn’t the same.

Michael Fejervary.8576:

Now to find my DOS emulator as Windows 7 does not allow me to play Zork I, II, or III anymore without one.

Vahkris.6847:

We’re never going to get this type of content en masse, though, until they can train players to look beyond the “shiny star above NPC heads” with instructions plainly pointed out on a UI tracker and via achievements. It’s very possible to do, it’s just training them to look for certain things. They already trained them to head towards the orange circles. We can be trained…it just takes effort.
…
Hell, I’ll design one and give it away for free. :P

Don’t you know you can’t go home again?

CorneliusCoffin.3169:

What I think is funny is that so far 100% of the people that keep coming in here to tell us we’re idiots and can’t read haven’t adressed the issue we’re trying to raise here.
It’s dramatic irony, really.

I can now understand why you may find ANet’s communications confusing.

Shame it seems so few people had the opportunity to experience the games of yore… back when all you got was “There is a small mailbox here.”

Imagine having a gamer think for themselves….

15 pages and growing…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Opening-1000-regular-Dragon-Coffers-Merged/first#post2193751

Leo.2641:

Mourningcry.9428:

It’s been discussed extensively in the past.

Just to give you a taste, how would you price them and why?

It’s not exactly a trivial undertaking.

Free, why? its Free why u asking why

Ours not to reason why, ours but to do and buy.

It’s been discussed extensively in the past.

Just to give you a taste, how would you price them and why?

It’s not exactly a trivial undertaking.

frostyraziel.1854:

Sure, but what have the players who have not wished to waste their money on RNG boxes got in the past few months. Just look at the settlers weapons we got at the end of the last living story. It really shows how much anet cares about those players. This has turned into a f2p model MMO.

Here are some notable items made availble in game over the last few months:

- Winter’s day items
– Fractal skins
– Ascended gear
– Laurel vendor items
– Guild reward items
– SAB
– Molten Weapons Factory

The individual items are a bit too numerous for me list, so, I just listed the general categories. But you get the idea. Not enough?

As Vahkris pointed out the only notable things which the type of player you mention has missed out on, have been a few weapon skins.

frostyraziel.1854:

Stop being an apologist for anet, OP. We’re giving our opinions and honest feeling about the released content. We’re providing something called feedback, that anet can then choose to acknowledge or ignore.
The event obviously lacks QA and isn’t thought trough.
Also just to make something clear: People are not complaining anet is not giving them everything for free (even though anti-grind was one of their promises pre-release), people are complaining that anet is forcing them to do an insane grind or spend money on a stuff that depends too much on luck.

Let’s be really clear, no one is being forced to do anything.

Want the shiney? Accept to do what it takes to get the shiney.
Don’t wanna do that? Don’t expect to get the shiney.
Don’t like what you gotta do? Don’t do it. Go ahead and even complain about it.

But don’t make up some kitten that you’re being forced to do it.

So, unless that’s a dev with a loaded gun standing behind you and giving you no alternative but to sit there an press buttons, wake up and accept it’s your choice to play however it is you chose to.

panzer.6034:

Its unfortunate that the most optimal way to farm holo’s is to wp around solo and grief the kitten out of other players instead of cooperating. It stands in stark contrast to rest of the game’s content, where having more players cooperate is usually more optimal.

Just as another perspective, that solo player “griefing” may just be some poor soul who’s bad luck it is to be behind a zerg, and they’re just desperate to get a node.

On another note, doesn’t take much to mess up a griefer’s farming route either. Just wait at the node until it respawns. Wait, but then aren’t you griefing the greifer? See above.

@Stark Great post. Well said. Thank you.

Cruces.3280:

Quick question: Is it possible to use your karma points to buy armor/accessories for other characters?
Maybe by transmuting, or what ever its called?

Yes, it’s possible. Some of the Exotic Temple accessories are account bound on acquire, soulbound on use. Armors are soulbound on acquire.

If you’re talking about just the look/skins, then yes, transmutation stones will work. Stats will not transfer.

Also, Karma jugs/potions from dailies/monthlies/instances are account bound. Save up a bunch, and at least pop a karma booster and have at it.

Good luck!

Good luck!

If you don’t want to run dungeons with a zerker group, no worries, you don’t have to.

Just make your own group of Soldier’s, Knigth’s and Rampager’s and have at it.

Enjoy!

Gasoline.2570:

Really now, the gold to gem is awful and this spike made it even more awful completely ruining any chance to have a 20% discount. It just makes no sense.

20% price discount is not equivalent to a 20% floating rate cut

One thing that I would add would be with respect to downed players – get them up as fast as safely possible.

If downed, calling out a target on a low hp trash mob resulting in a rally can be faster then getting healed.

Also, pet classes should be aware of their pets so as not to cause unwanted pulls or triggers.

Sure, count me in, SC.

Welcome back.

Hard to sum it all up in a post. Especially w/o knowing what dungeons you have access to as strategies can vary to some degree depending upon which path you’re looking to attempt.

When you get your group together, and if you’re on a NA server, send a whisper and can provide a walk through of some of the dungeons.

Behellagh.1468:

Me, I fixate on threads where someone thinks the game is unfair because they can’t get something now in the easiest way possible, but that’s me.

+1

Psst… you’re not alone

Davidm.2419:

arena net needs to lower gold to gems exchange rate in guild wars 2

Why?

2878 is the number of times you’ve wanted to keep on playing GW2.

Save your pity for the sorry soul who called it quits and gave up with anything less.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Look, nobody is forcing your hand here. Do what you think is best. It was a simple suggestion about another method to force a crit.

This whole thing started out because someone wants to save you from wasting your time.

And I myself already wasted enough time here. Good luck with your findings.

I’ll respond to the rest of the post, later if you’d like.

But this is the key part. I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with having to force a crit. Which as explained above, takes more time, not less. Scoring a crit is not the issue. More then enough crits are occurring without having to force one. A crit is a crit, regardless if it came from 100% or 95% or 60%. The issue is that on crit, the sigils don’t proc.

As an example please see the below the screen shots. The first shows Unload triggering the proc twice. It’s obvious that a crit on unload is in the 80+ range, a normal hit is in the 50s. You can see that in 1st volley after the 1st flame blast. Except for 1 more normal hit, all other attacks are crits.

Now, the rest of the images show what happens after changing weapons. I went to a rare pistol, as I didn’t have another exotic berserk pistol, so, the damage is less. But it’s still apparent – early on crits are in the 50s, normal hits are in the 30s. Two more screen shots of crits. Not one single proc.

I hope this helps explain how the issue isn’t identifying a crit, or scoring a crit. There are more then enough. Now this is just two kills. I can assure you I performed more then one. And further, the ease to which I can reproduce this should indicate that things are not “working as expected”.

The issue is the proc. Not the crit, which you keep insisting needs to be forced. Which brings me back to the point that if you really did play a high crit build, and you ever paid attention to the combat feed, having to force a crit to be sure it’s a crit is just silly. Sorry, but there’s no other way to put it.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

The OP did not ask what is the most efficient way to get more crits, so time is not an issue. The OP is already wasting time trying to test a sigil that should have worked properly in the first place. I am actually suggesting that since the OP chose to waste time in testing, I offered a method that can make the quality of the result better.

Whoa… now you’re just trolling. Everything in the game “should work properly in the first place”? Of course it should, but unfortunately we all don’t have the perfect version of the game that you obviously do. Maybe it’s not just me

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs

And I have no regrets having “wasted” my time, as it lead to a viable workaround.

And the practical difference between 100% and 95%+ crit chance really isn’t interesting given the nature of the test. As I said, when SSoF stops proc’ing over any period of time, it’s noticiable from even casual observation (how I first noticed). Once it stops, it stops. It’s not a matter of frequency at that point.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Hidden Killer is just a method to insure a 100% crit and unless the combat log specifies that you managed a critical hit, you cannot know for sure and you’re simply guessing. On-screen combat text can be missed if multiple crits happen consecutively.

But whatever, take it or leave it.

Seriously? You posted elsewhere prefer you Valk/Knights gear, so, perhaps you don’t have much experience running a high crit/dmg zerker build. Crits aren’t the exception, they’re the norm. To provide some perspective, when you’re in zerker gear and running over ~100% crit damage (~2.5x dmg of a normal hit), it doesn’t take much to spot a non-crit in the combat log . There is no guessing, it sticks out.

Was being rather patient and accomodating with your suggestions, but your earlier quotes from the wiki were already suspect and showed either a lack of understanding, or disregard for the difference between Sigils. But these kind of statements go beyond skeptiscism, and into pettiness.

ResJudicator.7916:

Thanks for testing OP. It’s people like you, who are willing to put in the hard work to find and confirm these bugs, that make this game shine.

No prob.

ResJudicator.7916:

Again, you get fewer crits per minute using your method than using the OP’s method. The issue isn’t “why stop at 20?” It’s that, in the time it takes you to get 20 crits, the OP could have gotten 50. The OP is spending his own, personal time doing this testing for us. My problem with your suggestion was that you were essentially asking the OP to waste even more of his time without getting any benefit in the form of better results.

And your “reasonable doubt” argument is completely meritless. We “can know for sure” how many crits vs non crits were scored because, as I stated earlier, crits show up differently both on-screen and in the combat log. You don’t need to use Hidden Killer to know when you’ve scored a crit.

Wish there was a way to get a dump of the combat log, because you’re absolutely right. When running food, and attacking from behind/side (almost always against slow, easy to read oakhearts, which is why I chose them), crit chance is actually upwards of 95%. It’s actually the non-crits that stand out at that point.

Being able to land crits really wasn’t a concern

For what it’s worth, I used HK as an opener, with Cloak & Dagger and Hide in Shadows during combat as often as “revealed” allowed. I prob could have added Shadow Refuge, but didn’t think about it at the time. So, it didn’t really slow me down, it did however result in me having to wait for respawns, or having to find new test subjects at a faster rate