Guild Wars 2

WvW promised overhaul.

Oh, you asked for 2016?

Errr, I don’t know.

In the last days, I had amazing fights in our BL. I think it’s a better place for small group vs zergs, since we can kite the hell out of 1111 spammers. Same with new keeps. At first, I hated these, but now, I find them really fun for kiting. Now I still think maps are too big, but since it’s easier to defend, I guess it balances things out.

Ragnarox.9601:

classes becoming more and more similar…

This is actualy the saddest part of HoT.
I can’t find any elite spec I really enjoy like I did with my shatter mesmer ( prior june patch) or my rifle engie.
It’s all about passive procs, boon farting, and power creep. It’s fun in pve, not in pvp or wvw.

Harper.4173:

Nausicca.6038:

Open world pve should be easy. It’s open world, it’s for everyone. Now I don’t say that Maguuma is hard. For me it’s just a boring area I avoid at all cost (mostly because of timers and taxi wars). But considering how Orr or vanilla world bosses still attract a lot of players, it’s not hard to understand that people enjoy that kind of content. It’s easy, it’s fast, you can gather tons of stuff while waiting and make good money on TP. 10 min teq vs 2 hours meta in Maguuma ? Teq wins, and by far. Same with Orr’s temples.

Orr attracts players because:

Believe it or not, Orr is still my favorite place in GW2. If I wanted gold, I’d go to SW. But Orr has this special thing, idk what. I really like this place.

Vayne.8563:

Nausicca.6038:

Open world pve should be easy. It’s open world, it’s for everyone. Now I don’t say that Maguuma is hard. For me it’s just a boring area I avoid at all cost (mostly because of timers and taxi wars). But considering how Orr or vanilla world bosses still attract a lot of players, it’s not hard to understand that people enjoy that kind of content. It’s easy, it’s fast, you can gather tons of stuff while waiting and make good money on TP. 10 min teq vs 2 hours meta in Maguuma ? Teq wins, and by far. Same with Orr’s temples.

Except I’m not convinced Teq has more players than the new zones do. I think Teq is largely a waste of time and almost never do it, unless I really REALLY have nothing else to do. I’d rather sort my chest than do Teq most days.

Where as I love playing in the new zones. I don’t believe it’s about gold per hour for most players. Most players just do what they enjoy. I don’t enjoy Teq and therefore I don’t often do Teq. I also don’t really enjoy the Claw of Jormag.

But I enjoy the hell out of VB.

For me VB is like SW, but more boring because it takes more time to complete the meta event. I enjoy short metas, such as Orr temples. I can do my stuff around, gather things, then I tag up, complete the meta and jump to another map. When I’m done with gathering, I just leave to wvw or pvp. It gives me enough gold to sustain myself and craft ascended gear for my alts.
Same with Teq. I’m on Teq map because I gather wood. I hardly see how 10 minutes could be a waste of time compared to 2 hours metas in Maguuma. And teq maps are usualy full 10-15 minutes before the event starts. On several overflows.

So yes, people are still interested in vanilla content. And enjoy it. I know I don’t do what I don’t enjoy. Pretty sure I’m not alone.

Open world pve should be easy. It’s open world, it’s for everyone. Now I don’t say that Maguuma is hard. For me it’s just a boring area I avoid at all cost (mostly because of timers and taxi wars). But considering how Orr or vanilla world bosses still attract a lot of players, it’s not hard to understand that people enjoy that kind of content. It’s easy, it’s fast, you can gather tons of stuff while waiting and make good money on TP. 10 min teq vs 2 hours meta in Maguuma ? Teq wins, and by far. Same with Orr’s temples.

Great article ! Thank you for sharing.

What’s a REAL WvW guild exactly?

Idk, I rarely see pug commanders these days in wvw ( NA t4). But there are still guilds roaming, so I don’t think it would have a negative impact if ANet was adding a private tag for them. They aren’t tagging anyway, because they are looking for fights, not ppt.

edit: I could be wrong but I think we see there the biggest disconnection between Anet and us, players. While we see WvW as a open world pvp competitive mode, they keep seeing their creation as a “real players zerging/defending pve objectives” mode. Their competitive mode is spvp, wvw is just a friendly place to zerg stuff agains’t anonymous players.

You can’t be wrong with hammer 2 rev.

edit: or a necro. Spam condi, profit. But hammer 2 rev is the king of the garbage hill.

Or wvw. Communication is a disaster.

Since Anet will never balance wvw, can my scrapper have the grossly overpowered revenant hammer #2 skill? Oh even better: banner kits ! I could swap between dragon, centaur and turtle and rack up billions of ppk for my server.

If only there were people to fight in wvw.

RIP WvW, you’ll be missed.
Oh feedback? Errrr, nope. I don’t have any. I just feel empty right now.

RIP WvW.
Time to work on my 50% w/l ratio in pvp.

Lol.
Seriously.
Nope.

Vayne.8563:

I completely agree with your assessment. But let’s not pretend before HoT there were so many satisfied WvW players by percentage. Many of them walked away over the years for other problems as well. The complaints about the format were endless.

HoT sure didn’t help matters that much is true, but it has major issues long before HoT.

Issues or not, people WERE playing wvw before HoT. There were three way fights EVERY evening in our borderland. Roaming parties were everywhere. Our server, in NA T4 was pretty active.

Now? New BL are dead. EB has one blob at best, abusing pirate ship and hammer #2 rev BS ( that won’t be fixed with next balance patch, proving again how Anet cares about wvw). Commanders gave up. People looking for fights left wvw. I see more and more wvw’ers in pvp.

Myself, I couldn’t even imagine putting a foot into pvp before HoT. Wvw was my GW2 life, as same as my guild mates and a lot of people I used to play with prior HoT.

Anet ruined it. They didn’t listen to beta testers feedback, they pushed stupid things like automatic upgrades, more pve events, banners kitten, stupid map gimmicks. Balance is out of control.

HoT destroyed WvW.

Vayne.8563:

HoT broke WvW is not a fact, because people were complaining WvW was broken long before HoT. If you want I can find the posts. PPT is broken, night capping is broken, server imbalance is broken, there have been tons of issues with WvW long before HoT. WvW was already broken. I suppose you could argue HoT broke it more, but that’s a different statement.

Tsk tsk tsk Vayne. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. HoT destroyed wvw. Deeply. My wvw roaming guild is now an happy pve and (not so happy 50% w/l ratio) pvp guild, thank you Anet for this.

ANet, please do something. WvW is beyond boring, everything’s pirate ship, even roaming is pirate ship. Remove pve from wvw. Pve gear, food, banners, events, whatever, remove it.
Since you will never balance wvw because of pve and raids, do something like pvp.
Oh and remove these new bls. Seriously, give us our beloved alpine map.

At least, say something. I miss wvw a lot. I try to pvp but the 50% w/l ratio just makes me want to punch my screen. And gathering wars is cool for a couple hours but becomes quickly boring.

Skritt as playable race.

This is funny because since start, I avoid like plague all the HoT pve content. I didn’t even finish HoT story. I’m like mastery rank 50ish, I don’t really know and care.
For me, HoT = elite specs. Elite specs are fun to play, but really need some balancing.
I’m still waiting for wvw changes, but I don’t hold my breath. What Anet have done to this game mode is irreversible imo. They will never balance it, because they would have to balance pve and probably nerf raids. They aren’t crazy enough to alienate their pve crowd for the few guys still playing wvw.

So what’s next? PvP? Leagues are frustrating most of times because of weird/abused matchmaking system and that pesky 50% w/l ratio. SoloQ can be a real pain.
But unranked is still “fun”. I still have to reach rank 80 because I only start pvp lately, with wvw downfall.

Overall, HoT pushed me towards pvp. My pve habits are still the same ( gathering nodes, doing tequatl and Orr’s temples). I don’t do wvw anymore ( I was spending 3 hours every evening before HoT). So for me HoT = elite specs. It’s a bit expensive but I still have fun so it worths the expense I guess.

You could farm thieves in WvW. They drop Zap and Chaos Gun.

I wouldn’t mind duels in pve. It’s still better than doing nothing while waiting for a world boss or a meta event to start. Also, I think non HoT players can’t access guild arena.

If you plan doing some pvp, warrior is in a really really really really really really bad shape atm. I’d recommand revenant. And #asuramasterrace of course.

Pirate ship lag meta sooooooo much fun !!!!

Azure The Heartless.3261:

So. Take what you want from that. I think that it would be worse if things were rushed. Common sense lends itself to that.

Worse than 18k hit CoR in wvw? 5k AA ? Yes, 5k. CoR doesn’t even do this in pvp. Can you imagine that? Even better, can you imagine a banner than can wipe an entiere zerg with its #5 skill ? This is wvw reality. Youtube “dragon banner” for fun. Or watch my vid for insane low risk high reward hammer rev gameplay.

It’s been 3 months now of this BS. WvW is bleeding like crazy, so many of my guildmates moved to pve or like me to pvp, where balance is FAR better ( in its current "bad"state) than wvw.

Gaile is pretty active in General Discussion today. You might find answers there.

Hammer rev in wvw.

Every wvw’er knows how grossly unbalanced rev is atm. It’s nothing new and it plagues wvw since HoT release. Hopefuly, Anet will tone down the dmg. And nerf banners at the same time.

This is a sad sad story OP. I mean, level 62 in 3 months with 30 free tomes of knowledge… That’s 10.7 level/ month, 1/3 level /day. And you’re repeating stuff on top of that?
So much grind, I understand your frustration. We’re not robots, kitten it !

Next balance patch won’t change much if Anet keep balancing classes around raids, and not pvp. If they tone down the power/cc creep, they will have to nerf raids ( and all the meta events based on timers). If they nerf raids, it will be the apocalypse on pve forums/reddit ( even if basicly the challenge will remain the same).
PvE population tears> PvP. We lose. And I don’t even want to talk about wvw and all the banners madness.

I only spent 1 evening over the last 3 weeks in wvw, while I used to play 3 hours/evening everyday before HoT.
I’m doing spvp now.

I’d use a Norn mount for my Asura.

You are already playing the #masterrace. All the other races will disappoint you.

You better cheat/exploit than account share OP ! Anet is watching !
Or they just don’t care.

Start from scratch, try different builds/classes in spvp ( you’re insta 80 there with all the skills unlocked, including elites if you have HoT). There are a lot of videos/streams showing rotations etc… If your brother already have several 80s, he may also have lvl 20/30 scrolls and tomes of knowledge to help you reach 80 faster.

Have fun.

Sometimes, I forget HoT was released with 4 new pve maps ^^;;

Do we really need a timer to complete metas in these maps now?

PvE cc is cute. If you really want to experience CC in this game, put a foot into pvp. Being feared into gravity well into dragon’s maw into thunderclap just to be randomly dazed by a druid right before being knockbacked by DH longbow into another gravity well because F5 is AMAZING ! Taunt is cool too.

PierPiero.9142:

Nausicca.6038:

I have a lot of success with the cele meta build. If you can’t kill anyone with a marauder amulet, then you are the problem. Not scrapper.

which is that build ?

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Scrapper_-_Celestial_Hammer

I’m using sneak gyro instead of mortar though.

I have a lot of success with the cele meta build. If you can’t kill anyone with a marauder amulet, then you are the problem. Not scrapper.

Jana.6831:

Nausicca.6038:

In Aion, when you were 1 star+ officer, your death was announced serverwide.

That would be embarrassing and I would indirectly spam everyone – but ok, for science, I guess…

Most of times, it was because of a random gank or a big battle in a pvp zone. It was fun to see kittens dying. The drama was real in this game lol.

Huhuhu nice thread OP

Jana.6831:

Amandil.2137:

-Announcement serverwide when you log in.

I want this so bad!!! !!! 111

In Aion, when you were 1 star+ officer, your death was announced serverwide.

Because of dresses.
Then, after watching a random wvw video starring an asura, I realized they had the best animation ( and ears ) and I never came back to human female.
Well, not true, I made a human male with a big beard.

#asuramasterrace

Cele scrapper has insane sustain in pvp. And decent dmg too. Function gyro is a must to finish your opponent without having to leave your point.

I’m still playing after 3 years and a half, maybe this game has something special. It’s not perfect but for pvp/open world pvp, I can’t think of something better. And despite the lack of classic end game content, there is always something to do or to aim for in this game.

World War III.3869:

Not 100%, but sometimes I just wish bad bad things regarding some people in games.

So a guy is in LA spamming Star Wars spoilers. Nice.

PS: I’ve seen it already but C’MON!

So you wish bad bad things to people spamming SW spoilers? Maybe you should see a doctor or something. I’m serious.

I have absolutly 0 problem playing scrapper in ranked.

Thank you Gaile and Anet for finaly communicating with us.

Since you asked for our opinion, here’s mine:

My main concern about WvW since HoT ( and more than the new BL) is balance between classes and the power creep introduced with the xpac.

- Rev hammer #2 needs a fix asap, taking random 7k (3.1k armor on scrapper) to 10k+ dmg ( with 2.3k) from nowhere is really frustrating. This skill ( combined with pirate ship meta) literally pushed me out of wvw.

- Less pirate ship please. This playstyle is beyond boring to fight. There’s a lot of suggestions in this thread that would help fixing it.

- I’ve been playing spvp lately because I can’t stand wvw balance anymore. I know this game mode has its own balance issues, but from my wvw roamer point of view, I find it a lot better and enjoyable to play. I’d love to see a similar system implemented to wvw, with amulets etc… (and food removal). I think it would greatly help for balance, and put everyone on the same spot. It would also be an alt friendly system. Want to try a new class? Just chose the right amulet, sigils and runes and here we go.

- Add a track rewards system. Remove XP and add tomes of knowledge.

That’s all for now !

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Nausicca.6038:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Nausicca.6038:

Until Anet balance elite vs vanilla specs, HoT is p2w for pvp.

If they nerf the new professions below the old ones, what is it then? Pay to lose?

Without elite spec, you can’t reach pro league. I think it’s clear enough. So you need to pay for hot just to be able to win and participate in pro leagues ( or just you know, win at all). If vanilla specs were that good, you’d see these in ESL. Or in winning teams in any pvp mode.

You didn’t answer my question though. I’ll rephrase.

If they nerf the elite specs and they nerf them below the level of the vanilla specs and someone buys the expansion, is it then pay to lose?

You know it will never happen. Anet needs money , and they need to sell HoT for that. Pretty sure raids have been balanced around elite specs. Imagine if they nerf these spec to oblivion…The only thing Anet can do if buffing vanilla. And give these specs more sustainability, and a LOT more access to C C skills/utilities. Until then, and if you want to be able to compete in pvp, you need to spend $$.

B2W, P2W, whatever, it’s still 50$ just to be able to compete in leagues.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Nausicca.6038:

Until Anet balance elite vs vanilla specs, HoT is p2w for pvp.

If they nerf the new professions below the old ones, what is it then? Pay to lose?

Without elite spec, you can’t reach pro league. I think it’s clear enough. So you need to pay for hot just to be able to win and participate in pro leagues ( or just you know, win at all). If vanilla specs were that good, you’d see these in ESL. Or in winning teams in any pvp mode.

Until Anet balance elite vs vanilla specs, HoT is p2w for pvp.

10k is low for the new HoT standards.

Old Alpine Borderland Map, oh whoops, wrong topic.

Old Tyria, Orr’s still my favorite place in the game. I like temples and all the events there. Auric Bassin is close, but these HoT meta events… ruin it for me.