Guild Wars 2

Riccardo.7254:

Neptune.2570:

Riccardo.7254:

Neptune.2570:

Riccardo.7254:

Neptune.2570:

Sorry to break it to you, but dire needs to be changed to rabid.
Most the mesmers conditions will come from clone crits causing the bleed stacks, therefor you NEED precision.
As for the traitline is fine, standard PU condi that is a good 1v1 roamer, but you will gave issues killing people as they can simply walk away from you. (in dire gear you wont be able to condi burst them down even if they do stay to fight)

thank you, i edited the post title and the build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7fnsISjaWsGeqB3aGp0YMdOHdDJDoiS2R5A-TFCEwAJUCOT9H77PQS3AAzfNeCAPuIACV+BA-w

can you explain me how full rampager should work better than full dire?
i fear i’ll lose too much survivability..
any change on sigils/runes/utility skills?

thank you again

I would pick rabid over rampagers as well.
Once again it’s all about dem crits to stack your bleeds.
You should be fine in terms of survivability, our base hp is a tad higher than a thieves and you will still have plenty of toughness. And in close to permanant protection (-33% damage) and aegis on every stealth in which you also regen up again you should be able to survive most 1vX encounters.
Your utilities are upto you, Id take a reliable condi cleanse over mirror images (mantra/null field/disenchanter).

yea sorry, i wrote rampager but i meant “rabid”..

this is my final build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7fnsISjaWsGmqB3aGp0YMdOHdDJDoiS2R5A-TFCEwAJUCOT9H77PQS3AAzfNeCAPuIACV+BA-w

changed Mirror Images with Null Field (even tho i was picking Arcane Thievery for more condi spike)
i suppose that sigils and runes are good as they are right?

There we go :P
Sigils and runes are good, maybe pick up a generosity/purity in the offhand instead of endurance. Either way endurance is fine as well

Generosity is kitten expensive for me atm :P but i’ll keep an eye on it!
i don’t like Purity that much, Endurance may be better to dodge extra attacks popping out more clones

last question:
i’m not sure if there is an official “PU condi meta build” but if there is, in what this build is different?
Because i think it’s great

thank yuo again and again Neptune

You will have close to perma vigor from your dueling minor and clones shouldn’t be shattered (except an emergence f4)
It is pretty much identical to the Meta for PU condi roamers (it is only viable for wvw roaming, so not sure if it can be called meta?) but there’s is dependance on 6/7 of your major traits, so most PU condi builds will look like this.
No problem, happy roaming!

Riccardo.7254:

Neptune.2570:

Riccardo.7254:

Neptune.2570:

Sorry to break it to you, but dire needs to be changed to rabid.
Most the mesmers conditions will come from clone crits causing the bleed stacks, therefor you NEED precision.
As for the traitline is fine, standard PU condi that is a good 1v1 roamer, but you will gave issues killing people as they can simply walk away from you. (in dire gear you wont be able to condi burst them down even if they do stay to fight)

thank you, i edited the post title and the build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7fnsISjaWsGeqB3aGp0YMdOHdDJDoiS2R5A-TFCEwAJUCOT9H77PQS3AAzfNeCAPuIACV+BA-w

can you explain me how full rampager should work better than full dire?
i fear i’ll lose too much survivability..
any change on sigils/runes/utility skills?

thank you again

I would pick rabid over rampagers as well.
Once again it’s all about dem crits to stack your bleeds.
You should be fine in terms of survivability, our base hp is a tad higher than a thieves and you will still have plenty of toughness. And in close to permanant protection (-33% damage) and aegis on every stealth in which you also regen up again you should be able to survive most 1vX encounters.
Your utilities are upto you, Id take a reliable condi cleanse over mirror images (mantra/null field/disenchanter).

yea sorry, i wrote rampager but i meant “rabid”..

this is my final build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7fnsISjaWsGmqB3aGp0YMdOHdDJDoiS2R5A-TFCEwAJUCOT9H77PQS3AAzfNeCAPuIACV+BA-w

changed Mirror Images with Null Field (even tho i was picking Arcane Thievery for more condi spike)
i suppose that sigils and runes are good as they are right?

There we go :P
Sigils and runes are good, maybe pick up a generosity/purity in the offhand instead of endurance. Either way endurance is fine as well

Riccardo.7254:

Neptune.2570:

Sorry to break it to you, but dire needs to be changed to rabid.
Most the mesmers conditions will come from clone crits causing the bleed stacks, therefor you NEED precision.
As for the traitline is fine, standard PU condi that is a good 1v1 roamer, but you will gave issues killing people as they can simply walk away from you. (in dire gear you wont be able to condi burst them down even if they do stay to fight)

thank you, i edited the post title and the build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7fnsISjaWsGeqB3aGp0YMdOHdDJDoiS2R5A-TFCEwAJUCOT9H77PQS3AAzfNeCAPuIACV+BA-w

can you explain me how full rampager should work better than full dire?
i fear i’ll lose too much survivability..
any change on sigils/runes/utility skills?

thank you again

I would pick rabid over rampagers as well.
Once again it’s all about dem crits to stack your bleeds.
You should be fine in terms of survivability, our base hp is a tad higher than a thieves and you will still have plenty of toughness. And in close to permanant protection (-33% damage) and aegis on every stealth in which you also regen up again you should be able to survive most 1vX encounters.
Your utilities are upto you, Id take a reliable condi cleanse over mirror images (mantra/null field/disenchanter).

Sorry to break it to you, but dire needs to be changed to rabid.
Most the mesmers conditions will come from clone crits causing the bleed stacks, therefor you NEED precision.
As for the traitline is fine, standard PU condi that is a good 1v1 roamer, but you will gave issues killing people as they can simply walk away from you. (in dire gear you wont be able to condi burst them down even if they do stay to fight)

Lifestealer.4910:

Terrahero.9358:

What a condescending thread this is. How dare someone not jump on the Ranger Pity-train Express, right?

Here’s the skinny. If you concern yourself with PvP then Ranger is infact not in the worst position. I know, sounds like heresy for saying it.
The last big pvp event we saw Ranger used far more, and more succesfully, then Mesmers or Engineers.

Not saying rangers dont have problems, but this stupid dogma that Rangers are the single worst at everything and need massive buffs and unconditional love is getting ridiculous, aswell as getting in the way of any sensible discussion.

Get over yourselves, you dont have it as bad as you think you do.

Get over it, mesmer doesn’t need much if any help. Only thing they need is bug fixes, rangers is in alot worse situation and the fact u mesmer main/players have nerves to come to a ranger thread and tell us u have it worse is insulting to say the least. Rangers had no place in any mode for the past 2 years, ok except that 1 month when spirit ranger was a thing but that was shot down instantly. Mesmers on the other hand had a place in pvp, pve, wvw zerg and are the top dogs of roaming. What are the rangers good at?.. oh NOTHING.

You’re horribly misinformed, spirit ranger was a big thing.. for a long time.
Before spirit ranger every team ran a BM ranger.

Not sure why you’re trying to turn this into a competition, or bringing up the fact that Mesmer was once a solid, rounded profession…. the simple fact of the matter is that Mesmer is in a bad place atm. We’re not moaning for no reason >.>

Sandrox.9524:

Sometimes,I feel OP,so I only let my dodge clones attack my target.

Wait, your dodge clones actually attack your target? I need me some if them dodge clones!

runeblade.7514:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2bw0uz/all_the_builds_from_eu_tol_qualifier_2/

4 Mesmers
1 Ranger

Mesmers are moaning for no reason.

Hope not to offend anyone, but I get the feeling if Helseth had rolled ranger, there would be 5 rangers, 0 Mesmers. I’m not part of the who is worst off debate, both rangers and mesmers need some love.

It’s been established in a thread you made on the necro forum that you have a l2p issue with Mesmers, there’s plenty of advice there for you to beat them rather than giving misinformation about Mesmers current state in PvP

Well, that’s the last time I explain seriously exploitable weaknesses my class has to a struggling player. It will remain a l2p issue for you.

unlucky.9285:

mesmers are a pain to fight in pvp -.- you can already troll a point against 2 people by yourself you can reset fights easily you can do both condi and do damage at the same time really well.. that’s something a necro cant do you can literally shut a target down during team fights making it easy for your team (too many stuns >.<)

if you guys are crying about being underpowered because of warriors and guards guess what everyone is underpowered against them >=( and if anet buff them this “balance” update they are not very bright……..

Seriously, so many people seem to think Mesmers run 6/6/6/6/6.
Yes we can do all those things, If you were to fuse 3 builds.
Warriors and Guards, while yes, are in a good spot are not the problem with Mesmer in PvP. Everyone who actually plays Mesmer knows we wont be viable as long as s/x thief sits on his perch.

Edit: Or unless you’re Helseth, but lets not balance a whole class around the skill of a single players abilities before you mention him.

Lifestealer.4910:

Mesmers are moaning because they want all their other build brought up to PU level of faceroll. Its also why u see mostly phantasm mesmers in yolo queue, because they want AI to do all the work for them.

Actually most Mesmers want PU nerfed and other builds buffed a bit so there not pidgeon holed into only being able to roam in wvw, with PU, because there not viable for anything else.
Also in PvP if your seeing anything that isn’t shatter than you’re playing at some low level play.

silentnight warrior.2714:

@ TyPin.9860

This build have all that you said with the exception of portal. You can switch Arcane Thievery with portal but you lose the ability to steal boons and i find very rewarding removing to my mesmer the 10+ stacks of might, fury and swiftness from a warrior and give him 6 stacks of bleed, immo and sometimes torment or burning.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJAWRl0npKtFpxNNcrNCrxc6kK6JSOQAl8irB-TJRHwAp3fQwlAAwTA4YZAA

Good damage, regeneration, vigor, good heals, very good condition removal, stun breaks with stability (this one can avoid a hammer combo because it gives stability after the stunbreak), boon steal and boon removal.

The thing is its not a roamer build and people want to roam with mesmer.

That’s a kitten build in PvP play.
You will be hitting like a wet noodle.
That build can duel, and that’s about it. Anything close to upper medium/high tier play and anyone running the is a hinderance to there team.

Mesmers and Necros facepalming themselves as they read this OP.

Every couple of matches I get a hambow/condi engie/terrormancer qqing about how cheesy PU is…. I also never run PU….

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQRAsc7alknpMtlqxGNMrNCvBZ6FUgGg6ccjPWqAA-TZxFwAI3f4wBBAwJAwwTAoZZAA

Wanted to do something a little differently with it, so here’s an interrupt hybrid torment build.
As far as I know chill/cripple doesn’t decrease torments tick. So long as there still moving it doesn’t matter at what speed.

Torch, sword and pistol are in all honesty friggen awesome offhand weapons (focus in theory is, but the unreliability and bugs deem otherwise).
I’ve had equal amount of success with the three in different situations and regularly trade them out accordingly.

It seems to me like you are having problems identifying the type of mesmer you are fighting, therefore unable to counter play accordingly.

- PU condi will be rolling scepter/torch and Staff.
This build will tickle you. Seriously stand on the point and dont attack them and you will get the cap and tank it. Most of there damage comes from sceptre block/on clone death. there damage is tiny!

- PU Power will be sword/torch and GS
This build is reasonably squishy, but a great 1v1 build with the uptime from PU boons. However, seeing were talking about PvP the trade off there made is being a hinderance on there team. They can one vs one well, relatively slowly, while kiting off point/stealthing. The weakness of the build is still conditon damage and aoe. Dont be disheartened losing your 1v1 vs them though, they likely would have lost the match for there team running a 1v1 spec.

- Shatter Mesmer.
This is the standard that most mesmers are running in pvp. And to be honest, it is weak, with a giant burst. The weapons really can be any combination excluding scepter and your best approach would be to presume each mesmer is a shatter untill they show otherwise. Most shatter Mesmers optimise there burst being relatively useless at other roles. Therefore, they are squishy as hell and mostly run 0 condi removal or at least very little. That 2 stacks of bleed and chill will hurt the mesmer a lot, as they rely on kiting. AOE will destroy a shatter, and if you run boon corruption is close to a death sentence. If there running with sword and the clone leaps into you, there setting up there burst. Laying a fear mark or simply dodging will negate the mesmer being able to immobilise you as the swap with the current position of the clone ( which will spaz out and run away if you dodge). Play agrresively vs a shatter Mesmer and force them to blow cooldowns defensively, as most there utilities serve as both a defensive/offensive in the right situations and they will be unable to set anything up on you.

Edit: Kinda feel dirt telling you how to completely disable a Shatter Mes with how weak they are in there current state :s

1) Ileap
2) Blink
3) Clone targeting

You can report them in game, it’s classified as ‘botting’ and anet have stated that’s where you can report them.
Post will get deleted and you will get an infraction for naming them btw. Not my rules.

Royale.5863:

Sorry for my ignorance but what is stopping someone simply staking you?

And in the build you’re missing the sigils on the staff or do you use the same sigils of both weapons?

Thanks.

Disrupters Sustainment is incredible. Drop your chaos storm before you go down for some quick rupt’s. And say gl to anyone trying to stomp you when you can downed #4 bandage instant heal yourself up again if you need too.

StickerHappy.8052:

Neptune.2570:

StickerHappy.8052:

wait wait wait. Is Neptune = Saturn? :p

If Saturn is a player or person then I’m sorry to dissapoint.
If in fact your making a joke, then im not nearly witty/far too literal to get it…

Oh sorry for the confusion. There’s a mesmer here in the forum named Saturn. (ID) I just found it cool (if you were 2 diff people) that youre named after planets.

Ahh confusion cleared
Must be a co-incidence, but he has a great taste in objects to name yourself on!

StickerHappy.8052:

wait wait wait. Is Neptune = Saturn? :p

If Saturn is a player or person then I’m sorry to dissapoint.
If in fact your making a joke, then im not nearly witty/far too literal to get it…

In fairness you wont be as effective as maxamising your burst, but it works, and is probably even superior for 1v1 situations.
A tradeoff for spvp would be to take torment on shatter, it is a big trade off but will help you immensly against the copious engineers in yoloq.
Also Id swap out travelers for strength and have battle on your staff. Your gs could either air/fire combo or further more might stacking.
In saying that, I maintain that for your team, traditional burst is better,

keenlam.4753:

@Neptune: Ty for sharing this great build. It really lives up to its hype.

Just my 2cents.
This build is so OP with both superior ooc mobility (Portal, speed runes) and in-combat mobility (Staff #2, Downed #2). Maybe you can replace the speed runes with other set of runes to make it more balanced?
I highly recommend Runes of Mercy, that revive speed boost synergizes very well with the build.

Also guys, don’t forget Bowl of Fire Salsa for food if u use this OP build in WvW.

There’s a few options in that regard. I like speed because it allows me to position myself to down as close to as many enemies as possible, other options include mercy and afflicted.

Carighan.6758:

I’d replace Medic’s Feedback. The trait is far too useful and versatile to fit in. :P

This build is designed to do it all, it plays the support role well…. also bubbles are neat and give us something to play with till we down.

Make Deceptive Evasion a 5 point minor in illusions,
Merge Illusionary Retribution into Shattered Strength.

dude.2950:

Omg this build… I don’t even know how to thank you. I can now run with zergs in wvw knowing all the loot bags I will get. I have yet to try it out in tpvp, now my main mesmer can finally join a group. Thank you kind sir.
I would recommend changing the title to something abit subtle, before it gets nerfed.

I am 100% confident that devs haven’t looked at this part of the forum for the past year, so I think we could be safe, thanks for the support ^.^

Sagat.3285:

Whoah so this build works against all specs(condi,bunker….)

You bet! Literally has no weakness, although to get the most out of it, it will take some real skill plays.

Wyrden.4713:

exactly this build we were waiting for, exactly this shows all the strong aspects of mesmer

i played this build in high end pvp! it was awesome! 5 thiefs were atking me, and guess what! i managed to portal away! portal gives us an insane amount of mobility!

rly , this build is .. awesome, needs to be stickied, i didnt even need a vid to understand ur build, i saw it all, i imagined it, imagined how it is to be played, this. this guys. this is the one build we were all waiting for.

this build made mesmer viable in high tier pvp again!

Yep, it’s true. The anet devs were aware what build I was running long ago, so I guess I am partly to blame for the gradual demise of other Mesmer builds that were effected in there attempt to nullify this build.

Feels like being Tyrion in the Lannister family of guild wars professions.

LumAnth.5124:

Curunen.8729:

LumAnth.5124:

See pic
….

That player obviously hasn’t faced a true OP build like the one in this thread yet.

I must respectfully disagree!

This isn’t just OP. This is Over Over Powered.

The player in the picture is indeed referring to this build, people tend to get mad and request nerfs when vsing certain ‘OP’ builds such as ’Dalirants super Meta Mesmer

Fay.2735:

I’m very tempted to add this to the top of the build list with the title ‘The only viable build’ but I don’t think the humour would be appreciated by anyone other thkitten m3sm0rz… still funny well done

What a great idea!!
Perhaps add it with a little note warning newer players away from it because of the extremely high skill required in making it efficient?
It could even warrant its own subheading of ‘Downstate builds’

Veruah.5302:

I love where this build is going but I don’t understand why you have such a huge oversight in this build. I’m not trying to cause a rift here but I seriously question your SUPER META BUILD capabilities for not seeing this. I suggest we all make the following change:

Remove Desperate Decoy from Chaos and add 2 to Illusions, picking up Master of Misdirection. Our goal here is to get to downstate so we can unleash our devastating torrent of OP confusion blasts while sitting in permanent retaliation, punishing those foolish enough to assume we are actually in a bad spot. Desperate Decoy actually lengthens the time it takes get to downstate – there is absolutely NO synergy in that trait with this build’s theme.

I expect better from the mesmer community.

A very bad oversight on my behalf, and I will update the original post accordingly, thanks for the tip!

Oh man.. I had almost gotten over it.. I just got mad again…

Curunen.8729:

Desperate Decoy is OP.

I have a suggestion to improve your build – drop those 2 points in duelling (because critical infusion is also OP, even with your 9% crit chance) and put 4 points in illusions.

Take blinding befuddlement.

Drop staff and take scepter+pistol.

Swap Confusing Cry for Dazzling Glamours – because you do have portal after all.

That’s much more balanced.

Dropping desperate decoy for Dazzling glamours would absolutely work, although I’m afraid your overlooking the most important function of the staff!
Before you go into down state, dropping a chaos storm will give you the interrupts needed to trigger your Disrupters sustainment meaning your bandage downed skill is so much stronger! This allows you to balance your downstate into a huge dps/boon generation/rapid healing mesmer of metaness!

Kaiyanwan.8521:

I run this in PvE now.

It can work well in PvE although I’d suggest dropping Desperate Decoy and picking up glamor blinds; with the less frequent attacks in PvE the glamor blind on portal will often stay on a mob for its full duration without the mob being able to cleanse it with an attack. Some huuuge blind uptime to be had!!!

Malakin.2809:

Need a video showing this build in action!

Currently editing through copious amounts of footage of me carrying my team with this build. It is hard to really get all the intricacies to fit inside a 5 minute video.

Sergoros.4398:

Imho, this build is to cheesy. Its to easy to win with it.

On the contrary this is an incredibly high skillcap build, knowing when to use your downed split, summoning iRogue, stacking confusion with downed ‘1’. While it is undeniably a strong build you can always improve with it.

skcamow.3527:

While this build looks incredibly promising and one of the most inventive this forum has ever seen in capitalizing on our class’s increasing rate of down state, my whole lifetime could pass and I wouldn’t ever regret having missed seeing your impending video.

Thanks for sharing!

Thank you! So much support here and I am very grateful!
This build will be effective without the video, but I can guarantee a video guide is worth continuously refreshing the page every 10 seconds until it’s up!

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

LOL I couldn’t stop laughing when I saw this. This build freaking needs a nerf tbh, its OP as hell.

I guess the build could be described as ‘OP’, but a much more reasonable and realistic response would be for anet to nerf Mesmers as a whole again, rather than this build.

Fay.2357:

Top notch build. I can’t imagine how none of us thought of it before. You should be commended for your incredible contribution to the mesmer community!

Thank you Fay, really means a lot!
I personally commend myself plenty and will do my best to make sure others do too!

Daniel Handler.4816:

This build is great, I love the synergy you get from sigil of chilling and chaos armour.

Thank you Daniel!
Originally I had renewal, but being unable to swap weapons while downed was severely hurting my outgoing healing.
There may still be a few tweaks, but I feel this build is exactly the revival Mesmers needed to become viable again!!

That’s right folks! Mesmer is viable once again! This build completely plays into the strengths Mesmer brings on the battlefield and gets the most out of a Mesmer in the current Meta.

The Build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsdWlknpSt1qxBNMrRysBZySkhT/iY8SUFlSFAA-TJhBwAAOBAhLDYc/hEPAAA

Traits

Desperate Decoy: Self explanatory really. Now when that s/x thief comes in to gank you, he’ll have to wait an extra 3 seconds before you blow all your cooldowns only for him to still be on you cleaving you to death. That extra 3 seconds will greatly slowdown the oppositions thief!

Retaliatory Demise & Chaotic Revival: These two traits synergise incredibly well in the current meta! Imagine the horror of that engineer who just used Incendiary Powder or that thief who used steal/larcenous strike when they start taking a fraction of the damage they put out on you once your downed! It may not sound like much at first, but keep in mind, you will spend the majority of the match in downstate = 100% uptime on retal!

Medics Feedback: This really is a multi use skill. It will stop you ticking death from being unable to clear pindown bleeds and also provide you with a nice bubble effect so you can jump around and roleplay on the sides while the warriors on your team be twice as efficient through spamming one.

Wardens Feedback: I’ve chosen to take Wardens feedback so that our iWarden no longer reflects projectiles. This is important in getting us into downstate so we can really put out our max dps capabilities!

Disrupters Sustainment: I don’t even know how else to say it; this grandmaster trait is incredible! That nicely timed interrupt on a game without cast bars you just pulled off? Now you can heal an extra 200-300 base hp! Absolutely amazing and well worth the grandmaster slot.

Runes & Sigils

Rune of speed: That’s right! For just the trade off of a full 6 set of runes we are able to move at the same speed as every other class!

Soldiers Amulet: Let’s be honest, it’s not like the high risk high reward zerker style matches up too bunkers spamming in PvT.

Thanks for reading guys! I can chuck a vid up later of the playstyle, I have to say my effectiveness for my team has gone up tenfold!
I hope to see more people running this build as it really makes the most out of a Mesmers situation in the current Meta! ^.^

PS: Vote for me Gamescom Allstar.

Nice work man!
Hopefully the community really takes to this, as it’s what we’ve been asking for from anet for how long!?

Ryuujin = Nostradamus

Would prefer them to be outright removed rather then nerfed, but a nerf is better then nothing.

I dunno, death shroud can be flickered every 7 seconds when traited and your trying to compare it to major 69-90 second cooldowns that other professions use.

T raw.4658:

Neptune.2570:

I don’t care about rewards. I don’t care about loot. I don’t care about objectives.
I roam less and less each matchup because there is less and less good fights.
Shadow arts thieves, PU mesmers, P/D condi thieves… it’s all thats left while roaming, and there just not fun to fight. At all.

PU mesmers and P/D thieves yes.

You missed Warriors and the A.I. builds

Ofc, and nike warriors bursting then flying away.

cinemapaula.8673:

How about rotating the map colors every few weeks so situations like this do not happen then? Red, Blue, Green, etc?

A much more reasonable and realistic request.
And one that I think they may have started doing recently, judging by the millenium matchups.