Guild Wars 2

kylwilson.9137:

Neptune.2570:

kylwilson.9137:

I’m going to be honest, you still need to put in too much effort for too little return, and frustratingly Mesmer unlike other classes has no true defined aspect that it brings to team play aside form portal and being a WvW veil bot.

I’d disagree with that. Mesmer brings a huge amount to team play. The issue is the complexity and sacrifice of having to build around the Mesmer to make it work.

Name one thing besides portal that the Mesmer does better than anyone else. What are these ‘huge’ amount of things that Mesmer brings to teamplay? Besides one specific utility skill. Please go on.

I think Jurica has summed it up appropriately. We have a huge amount to offer to teams co-ordinated and willing enough to work around the Mesmer. The utility bot stigma needs to end, it truly is just a case of people not understanding how to Mesmer.

kylwilson.9137:

I’m going to be honest, you still need to put in too much effort for too little return, and frustratingly Mesmer unlike other classes has no true defined aspect that it brings to team play aside form portal and being a WvW veil bot.

I’d disagree with that. Mesmer brings a huge amount to team play. The issue is the complexity and sacrifice of having to build around the Mesmer to make it work.

Mesmer is an amazing class and the potential with it is extreme at a high skill level.
It is however, possibly the least straightforward class in the game, is only optimal in ‘niche’ situations and requires extreme co-ordination and a team built around you to make it seriously effective at high lvl PvP.
It’s worth it, but if your looking for straightforward you may want to choose guard,war or ranger as swish said.

Honestly I think Ele is our easiest matchup.

Build for heavy boon rip and high spike damage.
Lot’s of channeled skills to proc halting off and lock em down with. Keep removing prot with gs3 and f2, once they leave water your windows open to burst em

Srs question though. Anybody know what the China Meta is looking like?

Good job, I like

Lol.
The funniest thing is it looks like you’re likely running a CI varient. A build that would destroy the meta shatter in a 1v1

Depends who I’m playing with.
No War or Engi, but we have a Thief, use lockdown.
No Thief but War/Eng on my team, use shatter.
Thief + War/Eng or Ele, shatter
No Guard or Thief on my team, don’t use Mesmer.

Engi and Ele at the top.
A step down from that Necro.
Half a step down from that is Guard, War and Thief.
Just a tad under them is Ranger and Mesmer

Why stop there? How about adding some SPvP too!
Skyhammer seige weapons that deal mass AOE non-evadable lazer beams that instakill! Could have one mass hammer in the middle that hits the entire map for extra fun!

If WvW is dead, the community killed it, not anet.
How can there be different outcomes and new fights each week when every server is tier locked because we, as a community, have stacked servers so much.

Aside from the healing sounded like Mesmer. Thought depends on whether you play EU or NA as both Meta’s are different and some builds will work in one Meta that would not in the other.

I can see this being zergvszerg with the winners snowballing hard and spawn camping the entire match. Of course one could argue that the the losers could just regroup on respawn, or refuge and head behind them to other objectives, but that would never happen in any hotjoin game ever.

Whooosh.
That’s the sound of Bitty’s joke going way over your head.

Pretty sure him listing Shatter Mesmer last and as “Plz remov frum gaime” means “Is a problem for idiots, baddies and forum trolls”

Edit: Also nice post, would like to hear your thoughts on Guard too.

Cele ele’s asking for shatter Mes nerfs. It’s as if boon removal and high spike damage are the only things keeping cele ele’s away from god mode… oh wait….

xDudisx.5914:

shimmerlessEU.6841:

xDudisx.5914:

Just joined a match where 8/10 players were a mesmer.
#MesmerNewBowRanger

I take mild pride in the fact that I went into a random hotjoin after almost half a year not playing this game and gibbed this guy twice on point before he raged in map chat about Mesmers and logged, provoking this little outburst.

Next time you might not want to 12345 on Nec staff, spam mindlessly into the sword block and kill yourself on confusion because you blew both your transfers muffin.

Sword/sword + staff shatter too stronk folks you heard it here first.

I can’t play my main celestial ele because it has a birthday booster to spend so I made this necro build yesterday. Anyway as a necro and any other classes the biggest problem is always a mesmer due to the skilless faceroll build everyone runs.

Wait. Wait….
This kid wasn’t trolling this whole time?
Ahahahahahahahaha. Sorry but this thread just got even more hilarious.

Should have dodged virus filled pron, l2p issue.

Seriously: I have no idea

4/4/6 CI lockdown does work and is slightly different playstyle. But basically you fill the same role in the team kittenter. It’s less of we have one build, and more of Mesmer only fits one role. On the plus side, both builds are super fun, even 2 years on :P

AmaleoOu.2489:

I’m a Mesmer main, I despise double ranged shatter mesmers and even I don’t think they should be nerfed. I think they’re a gimmick, but they’re easy to kill. You just need to practice. If anything, I just really dislike how almost every single Mesmer is a double ranged shatter mesmer in tPVP. I feel like I’m much more useful to every team as a lockdown/condi mesmer.

The only reason they should get nerfed is to instill more variety, but as I see it, nerfing them would mean no Mesmers in the meta. Hopefully, non-shatter Mesmers get buffs to encourage variety. Anything to get more variety.

No need to nerf them. One swing of the blade and they’re down.

I have to disagree. No form of shatter is a gimmick, it’s a high skill cap build that utilizes every single part of the Mesmers mechanics, the more creative you are with it the better the results. Most are just running double ranged because trying to spike with sword in AOE is impossible and basically staff is necessary to survive when your that squishy without condi removal.
Lockdown mes can have a similar effect kittenter if your running a power varient. Condi mes however, that is the gimmick… lol.

frifox.5283:

See my youtube mesmer uploads and you’ll know

Link: playlist

Good taste

Deli.1302:

Neptune.2570:

Finally, there open. There wasn’t a single oceanic WvW guild below the 4 servers you mentioned should be locked. It’s not really fair for offpeak players to be locked out of being able to wvw.

The increasing of server caps is the reason why there isnt a single oceanic WvW guild below those 4 servers anymore.

There is only 1 or two on each of those 4 servers… The oceanic guilds want to fight each other rather than PvDoor, and there’s only enough ocx guilds for 1 tier. Just a dead time zone, but it sucked being stuck outside with the only option of solo roaming and camp flipping (often wouldn’t even run into other roamers to fight)

For PvP

Liquified
Ghostwriter Remix
Alpha and Omega

Sometimes a groovy tune is exactly whats needed to play shatter correctly.

Same poster, same topic, same reply. L2p.

An interesting correlation, the lack of basic English writing ability and those who complain about Mesmer. I sense some srs trolling in dis fred.

Yeh I’d agree with Belze. Both are unfortunately two of the harder specs to learn though, so it will take effort to be able to utilize that burst.

Rune of the Average Everyday Soloqer

1) +25 Power
2) +10 to all stat’s for each downed ally you ignore.
3) +50 power
4) +200 toughness while raging in map chat
5) +100 power
6) +100% damage while afking in spawn.

Elitist.8701:

What is with all the QQ against mesmers???.

Influx of new players I believe.

Lol, I’m amazed at how many people are so obsessed with PPT and server pride. There’s no right/wrong way to play WvW.
I play it so that good, even fights are my be all, end all reason for loading into WvW.
You say it’s disrespectful to not help a teammate? Good, I don’t have any respect for people who ruin good even fights.

There’s a lot to take into account here.
On the EU meta, PU could not be run seriously at a high level. Bunker guards would nullify it in teamfights, it wouldnt be able to overthrow the regen wars points and the shatter mes/thief roaming comp’s would deal with a solo light class holding the point in half a second.
On NA it would be a lot more viable using it, as NA tends to run builds suited for 1v1/2v2 to play a 3 point game.
I have also maintained top 200 teamq using shatter pyro, and I feel a player of your skill would have gone a lot further running shatter with an organised team. Finding an organised team that’ll take a Mesmer in NA isn’t exactly easy though

I’m well aware of the interest and expansion of it, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have a hearty chuckle at the idea every now and then.
Call me 1990’s but I still don’t see people who play video games 8 hours a day as athletes. (Before anyone get’s me wrong, I’m all for the expansion of the gw2 competitive scene and have respect for all top players)

Before we laugh at the rediculousness of gw2 being an esport. Can we first laugh at the rediculousness of esports within itself.

Real talk Daishi.

Are you NA or EU? I’d be happy to help out if I’m online and not lagging too badly (Oceanic connections aren’t always the best quality)

Lmao, you actually had me trolled till the celestial praise. Well done.

I was actually going to post something about that a while ago. Portal stomps are still possible, but the timing has changed (unless both of us are going crazy). Wait an extra 1/4-1/2 second before the stomp.

People wont do what you want when you want. Very sad

No don’t.
PvP becomes lame when people are doing it for any reason other than they like to PvP. Too much rewards attracts the wrong kinda players to a competitive game mode.

Jake.1430:

The question is, when do I moa and stealth, to rustle the most jimmies

Have you ever moa’d a moa? It’s a disappointing result

Dazes give 5 stacks, interrupts give 3. A full 3 clones + IP of diversion is 20 stacks + more if it lands an interrupt or two. your staff auto/clones have a chance to apply vuln as part of there RNG, 3 staff clones out will usually keep about 5-6 stacks+give you might and fury, shatter with diversion for 25 vuln stacks + 4 more might stacks, then swap to your GS for your mind wrack combo.

The most basic of combo’s is: I Zerker, Mirror Blade, dodge into target, Mind wrack+Mind Stab. Prior to this you can build 20+ stacks of vulnerability and land some damage from halting strike with a diversion shatter and chaos storm in your offset. However shatter is not so much about pre-determined rotations and is a lot more reaction based play as you go. It’s a spec to get creative with to be successful. In seriousness there are endless combinations, but the idea of them all is too land your 3 clone shatter + IP.

I should also note that at most levels of play pyro’s phantasm build will work, it is only at higher tiers or if your getting picky about optimizing your comp that shatter is taken for it’s unique ability’s.

Benjamin.8237:

EU: Mes Thief Guard +2
NA: Ele Engie Warr +2

Rune of Ricochet

1. +25 Precision
2. +35 Ferocity
3. +50 Precision
4. 25% chance to summon a drake that bounces lightening damage off nearby enemies. (90 second cooldown)
5. +100 Ferocity
6. Bouncing attacks have one additional bounce.

Weapon sets are upto you, I along with many prefer the double ranged option though. If I were you I would watch some shatter guides and read supcuties shatter guide, there’s loads of stuff that will help so much, but it is a spec that will take a bit of practice. As for the thief problem, that’s something you really have to deal with. They hard counter us badly, but with practice you can kite away from them. It helps having a team in comms so you can have your guard or thief peel for you when you get targeted.

Overall I found the balance changes very anti climatic and pointless (aside from point black shot), but this one’s not too bad.

Wyrden.4713:

just deal with the fact that not every proffession has some of everything…

just like mesmer has masses of small evades or blinks, necro has not a single one

ranger is probably the best w poison and bleedwhile guardian doesnt even have neither

etc.

there is always the option to just take doom sigil

But we do have access to poison….. Nobody even asked for more poison. What im saying is the poison on choas storm should be swapped with the blind on chaos armor and vice versa to keep chaos storms defensive theme.

How about adding poison to chaos armor then? Seeing it’ already has offensive conditions. We do need poison access somewhere, it just kinda doesn’t feel fitting as RNG in chaos storm.

Actually just a thought, I know it is our only access to poison bar sigils/runes, but poison is an offensive condition on a defensive skill. What about removing the poison from the RNG and adding blind?

Right. In that case it would be even more OP lol. Agreed with your warlock proposition as well. With it’s accuracy it more often than not gets used kittenter fodder.

Your typical 4/4/0/0/6 shatter is the TPvP meta for a reason. Aoe boon rip, huge spike damage, good mobility and good control. Also its synergy with a thief for your teams roaming comp is devastating.

I’m 99% sure that what spec you enjoy playing in a video has no reflection on whether you’re a scumbag or not.
Although finding shatter a boring play style? You could be a mad man though.