Guild Wars 2

Bryzy.2719:

Coulter.2315:

I don’t understand people who go “I have an idea for a buff!” and then immediately follow it with something so absurd that no one would ever integrate it into the game.. Its like writing some Professor McGonagall/Voldemort fan fiction and asking JK to shove it in a novel.

This. Your second suggestion is ridiculous. Think about the bugs now. Then think about the potential number of bugs with 6 phantasms. Not to mention how OP it would make shatter. Not to mention the huge number of changes to mechanics, traits and gameplay. The QQ from the rest of the community would be heard in other dimensions.

And if a lot of this thread’s QQ is about losing all the time to certain professions, aside from the fact that you should L2P: sure, Mesmers don’t excel at beating certain professions like thieves, but it’s just the same across the board. Thieves get kitten d by longbow zerk Rangers, RRR Rangers, d/d eles, Guardians get kitten d by necros and warriors, anything squishy gets kitten d by thieves, and Rangers get kitten d by everyone, like one huge gang-kitten on the Ranger. Generally speaking that is. Otherwise everyone in every profession just needs to L2P then there’ll be no balance QQ.

You seem so hell bent on enforcing ranger QQ on every corner of the forum.
You’re right in the first part, we don’t need more illusions, but you don’t understand the Mesmer class at all. The QQ is about not beating x class, it’s about x,y and z class completely nullifying us into a state of utter uselessness.
Also not that it’s relevant, but the Meta condi side point ranger eats the Meta shatter Mesmer for breakfast.

How has this not been stickied yet?

Fay.2357:

Replacing furious interruption:

Disruptors Alacrity

On interrupt, decrease the cooldown of the interrupting skill by 10(15?) seconds. This has no internal cooldown and can proc multiple times for aoe skills.

Alternatively:

On interrupt, decrease all cooldowns by 5 seconds. No internal cooldown.

What either of these traits would do is allow a skilled interrupt Mesmer to actually capitalize on interrupts by either applying higher pressure through overall skill usage, or by gaining the ability to churn out more interrupts rapidly. Particularly, these would allow interrupt mesmers to have a real role in group fights of any scale, as the aoe potential of things such as iWave and Chaos Storm could produce instant recharges in big fights, allowing for significant boost in strength.

Holy!@#! Yes pls.

And instead the game should be balanced around making sure every class can stack and speed run a dungeon the same? I think PvP is a match better balancing ground in a competitive game mode, rather than making sure each class finishes there dungeon within 20 seconds of each other.

This thread turned gross.
S/D got nerfed, but it’s not game changing. S/D thieves will still be the meta and a part of every team. Moving on.

Not a bad idea at all imo, problem would be fitting it into a build. Unless DE is reworked there’s no spots left to fit into a shatter build.

Fixed a bug where skilled players could still make Mesmer somewhat viable; now whenever entering a thieves LoS, the Mesmer will instantly downstate.

If not being top tier affects your decision, then I guess I should warn you were not exactly mid tier either.

Ahaha!
I’m currently out of the game till the start of next month, but when i’m back it’s on warlord!

Unsure if lazycalm is the forums worst player or best troll.

We already have access to some of the highest possible burst’s in the game. Truth is, in a PvP setting, we actually lack sustained damage, not vice versa.

How big is the line to duel you warlord, I want in! :P

zaxon.6819:

is powerblock garbage? i played with it for a little while but its hard for me to see how it is working on the enemy. i dont know if it can do anything to thieves.. and ele/engi have so many skills blocking one or 2 wont change much. anyone have any testing with it.

It is near impossible to tell the effect of it if your the one using it, but the general consensus from people I was dueling was that it just wasn’t as good as CS.

As for the OP, CI is one of my fav traits. But running 6 in dom instead opens up a few options as it means you don’t have to put any trait points into chaos, meaning you have 4 free trait points too spend where you wish. (presuming you will be taking 4 in dueling already for DE

Given that his guild is running a proper comp with exact numbers I’d say he’s doing a bit more then general blobbing.

Solid build you linked though, by far the best damage/support/zerg build weve got.

EnderzShadow.2506:

^ Why a shatter variant? Just curious what shatter does better?

My only discomfort with a build like that compared to a PU build, there is so much AOE and condi fields—-PU has been the only thing to keep me alive consistently in the worst of situations. I stay alive, I don’t know how much I contribute other than confusing the H 3 II out of the enemy.

I’ve played Power Pu before. What would shatter excel at while Raiding.

This is strictly speaking of what has working for my guild, as we ran one single Mesmer, I found that shatter brings something unique as opposed to something that could be done better than a different role. Shatter in the focus team gives you boon strip, dazes and insanely high burst (I can one shot glass ele’s even if the rest of the gank squad is on another target). On the flip side PU power makes you a lot more survivable so your less reliant on the members of your focus team, which is handy if you haven’t been playing with them for a while. In saying that, I think a thief is superior to PU power in the situation, so you’re not a whole lot more then a veilbot again :/
The best thing would to be to ask the raid leaders what they are wanting out of there Mesmer.
Here’s an example. (this isn’t me just the first I found)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB9tl_FvHUM

If the guild is actually serious enough to be running proper comps with limited spots then there’s a 90% chance they want you running in the focus group with veil on your bar.
Single target, co-ordinated burst’s on opposing groups ele’s/necros and defending your casters from there focus team will be your roll, with veiling the main group in of course.
Best spec from it would be a shatter varient. 4/4/0/0/6, 2/6/0/0/6, 2/4/0/2/6 etc.
If you’re not as confident with Mesmer or not used to a focus team roll in skill groups then take a PU power till you get a better idea of your job.

1) Mesmer (shatter)
2) Ranger (Both Power and Condi regen)I just like all the on demand evades.
3) Glass Staff ele
4) S/D thief. (S/P and D/D can also be a good time)
5) Well Powermancer
6) Engi (2 or 3 kit, Power)
7, 8.) Logging off.

It’s just not fair more and more Mesmers lately are dodging my bursts and then attacking me back!?!?! That’s not how Mesmer works. I hate getting killed by thing’s I don’t understand. Nerf 6/6/6/6/6 hambow Mesmer 2 tanky and passive. Has regen.

Make that 3/3 game modes. Absolutely every PvP team runs with a War, Guard and Ele also.

The old 6/6/6/6/6. Sword/torch, GS, Staff and Scepter/Pistol. No idea why more Mesmers aren’t running it.

A good squad should be mobile and moving as one unit.
Rangers single target damage and soft cc is perfect for a pick team, my worry would be the ranger bursting at range while the rest of the unit burst’s with melee then moves on leaves the ranger out as an easy target.
For it to work I think the ranger would have to have a greatsword handy to match the in combat mobility of thieves/mes/d/d ele.

I run the ‘truly honorable’ full shatter and get called cheese by condi engi’s, nike warriors, P/D thieves. No matter what style Mesmer you roam on you wont receive any respect due to the stigma PU has created.

I’m all for this.

Ya sorry your ban is permanent. No more tourney games 4 u. Bye.

I can’t speak for all areas of the game, but for pvp.

Give us something to deal with thieves. I get that hard counters exist but would we have now means that there is absolutely no reason to take a Mesmer unless the other team has no thief (every team runs with a thief, and even if they didn’t taking a thief or s/f ele is a better option).

As it has been mentioned remove the ICD of chaos armor procs. Add the punishment for bad plays. Give thieves a reason to have to do more then shadow step then AA the Mesmer down.
Also could do with a tad more aoe, aside from our chaos storm, the RNG daze is nice, but having to rely on a RNG form of aoe on a high cd as our only form of defensive against them? (Our teleports just don’t work against s/x thieves, for every port away from the burst we do they have an instant gap closer with steal/sword 2/shadow step). If we do manage to survive the initial engagement (if the thief kittens up) s/x evade uptime is rediculous, and seeing how all our skills are single target dps, its impossible to get any damage back on them.

This is speaking with mostly shatter in pvp in mind, but it seems odd that no team in na is willing to pick up a Mesmer. because…. thief.

I lol’d. It’s just a GS AA bug.

I guess it should be noted what game mode you’re referring too, but I’d take strength over travelers in all 3. Also ele’s mobility is fine, sure it’s not warrior or thief like, but it is decent.

Aside from mind stab I don’t think we’re going to get much. Anet and Mesmer players just aren’t on the same page with where they believe Mesmer is at.

Balance is not done around who can 1v1 who.
Dueling is not a supported game mode.
Also your facts about mantra condi clears is so rediculously over exaggerated lol.

Wut… Warrior and ranger can’t clear condi’s? Mesmer and engi’s condi removal…?
I’m sorry dude but you are wayyyyy off.

This is one I enjoy.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW8flknpRtlpxTNcrNCrxg6uy6MSOQAlsirB-TpBFwACOIAOuAAl2fYxDAoaZAAHBAA

Mirror Images can be swapped out for either mantra condi cleanse or portal, depending on who you’re vsing, who’s in your team etc whether its solo or team.

Edit: it should be noted that sword in its current state is rather…. buggy… Don’t try bursting anyone on uneven terrain :/

Alcapwnz.6019:

@Neptune, i would be interested in seeing the builds also. I’m rather new to Mesmer and closing in on 80. Plan to mostly wvw roam/zerg and pve with him.

I can’t help you much with PvE (I total less than 10 hours across all toons in PvE) but for WvW roaming I’d recommend a PU setup (particularly good for newer players to the class) It’s very forgiving and will give you a bit of extra time to observe some of the Mesmers features in combat.

Condi PU roaming.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7flknpRtlpxINcrNSpxY6cO6GSGQFlsjyB-TlRHABGp8rQ1fyd/BAeCABfRAiSJIA-w

Power PU roaming.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7flknpRtlpxINcrNSpxY6cO6GSGQFlsjyB-TlRHABGp8rQ1fyd/BAeCABfRAiSJIA-w

Eucalyptus.9784:

I’m curious about a GS Sword/Torch shatter build.

I’ve been playing a GS/Sw+Sw Shatter 4/4/0/0/6 standard build for a while, and while I’m having decent fun with it, it’d be nice to switch it up a bit. I imagine the Torch comes into play on timing shatters with Prestige + Mind Wrack?

Thanks for the reply!

Basically yep! You give up a phant (that actually does something) But gain a stealth to set up your shatter burst + extra burst potential ( prestidge can land for 2k+ in zerk).
I regularly use this combination but with staff instead of GS. Gs is a great wep, but if you haven’t used much of staff yet give it a whirl, it’s an amazing utility weapon.

Really the bigger the group size, the less impact you will be able to make as a Mesmer. In saying that you’ve chosen a build with great burst potential so you’re role will just be a little different. Don’t stay with the melee group, roam around between your backline and there’s and target certain targets (ele’s and power necro’s) and burst them down. If your group runes with another Mesmer or thief between you should be able to instajib there glassy casters doing the damage with a co-ordinated burst.
My suggestions would be to pick up Illusionary elasticity over the shatter recharge trait in illusions traitline. The extra GS 2 bounce followed by your shatter makes the burst that much better.
Also run it as glassy as you feel comfortable with. It will be odd positioning that gets you killed, not a lack of tough/vit.
Maybe add a sigil of air or replace the sigil of fire with sigil of air (air has higher single target damage than fire) on the GS, because once again it’s about bursting that caster down, especially if there relying on that one ele for there group heals. Honestly I wouldn’t bother with centaur runes and would opt for Str, Hoelbrak, Scholar, Eagle and just let your party/guard symbols give you the swiftness to get from A to B.

Fix sword, revert sword, rework sword…. Do something with sword.
Change DE into an adept or minor trait in illusions trait line.
Give us a couple of kitten blast finishers (chaos armor, mind spike etc).
Remove blinding befuddlement’s ICD.
Remove/lower triumphant distortions ICD (under 5 seconds, ICD starts from when the distortion starts).
Iwarlock projectile velocity increased by 20-25%.
Revert changes to chaos armor for no ICD.
Tone down the rate of which boons apply themselves in PU. (Maybe every 2 seconds so the Mesmer ticks boons twice on a typical 4 second stealth).

Also played a lot of PvP matches of both Mesmer and Ranger and can confidently say Rangers currently have it far better than Mesmers (in accordance to how the NA Meta is).

I’m not the most experienced necro but I agree, as much as I love plague I find myself getting stuck without my fleshies cc too much

Unless I’m up against 3+ necro’s I wouldn’t even consider using Moa as it is now. (or if I feel trolly)

Possibly the best patch for Mesmer in the past year.

I like the idea, but it would take a complete rebalance of current armor stats and the vigor boon as well.

Id say give em both a proper whirl. If you want opinion (and that’s all people are giving you) I’d go ele. Key role in every game mode, high skill ceiling and reasonably active playstyle makes em a fun choice.

Why are rangers still being mentioned in this thread :/ such hijack.

Engi’s – I take it by AI you mean turrets?
The turret cooldown starts once the turret is destroyed, and they really dont have that much hp. Use your greatsword and start with the rifle turret, sit at max range and take there turrets down. After that you have an engi with no utilities = (no stun breaks) and only there rifle (kinda useless on its own) left sitting there helpless, have fun bursting them the f… down.

Phant Mesmers – Yeah, they kinda suck a bit to fight. Prioritise the phantasms, take iduelist out instantly… the bleed stacks wont give you a chance, its a tough matchup, but keep on top of his phants (he can only put out 2 every 15-20 secs) and you can pressure him down.

You might want to do a slight shuffle of your sigils depending on your weapon sets. I like air/fire on my GS, battle/endurance on my staff. (or air/fire on sword if I take it over GS). In saying that there’s nothing wrong with your sigil setup and your preference is best for you :]

Okie dokie,

Solo q: PU power, GS and sword torch 4/4/6/0/0
Lockdown, 4/4/6/0/0 s/s and GS with CI (a lot can be changed for preference)
Ranged shatter, GS/Staff 4/4/0/0/6, Boon strip, DE, and IP

Team q: Ranged shatter, as listed above

WvW roaming: PU power or GS and sword/torch shatter

WvW Zerging: Feedback for bags, Veil to keep commander happy then try do what you can with GS… :/… staff is probably your best second wep.

GvG and skill groups: COmes down to opinion, I can give you a few builds and playstyles if this is what your looking into.

If you want links to any of the mentioned builds I can quickly make em up for you as well.

Lifestealer.4910:

Neptune.2570:

Lifestealer.4910:

i went to duel server and duelled many mesmers and they seem fine, too strong if anything. Lots of evades, invulnerability, damage from shatter and even unspecced phantasms.

You can’t have everything bro if you want to have your teamplay potential increased then your class needs ALOT more counterplay.

Did you try putting more than one condition on the Mesmer, or using any AOE spell whatsoever. Or standing on terrain slightly higher then what the Mesmer is on so none of his shatters or leaps can reach you. Needz moar countaplay.

i did in fact put conditions but most mesmers in duel server traits for condi clears and it was on open field for most of the duels so its fair.

Ahh in that case you misunderstand why Mesmers are moaning. We are not viable in any supported game mode (Dueling is not a supported game mode in which the devs balance around). Nobody is denying that a Mesmer has a couple of very strong 1v1 builds, but they are not viable anywhere outside of 1v1’s and roaming. (Don’t mention Veil and Portal, this thread has already done enough circles)

While I don’t have much faith anet will take any suggestions seriously, this is a really good idea dude! +1

Lifestealer.4910:

i went to duel server and duelled many mesmers and they seem fine, too strong if anything. Lots of evades, invulnerability, damage from shatter and even unspecced phantasms.

You can’t have everything bro if you want to have your teamplay potential increased then your class needs ALOT more counterplay.

Did you try putting more than one condition on the Mesmer, or using any AOE spell whatsoever. Or standing on terrain slightly higher then what the Mesmer is on so none of his shatters or leaps can reach you. Needz moar countaplay.

A warrior easily.
Vs a Mesmer with focus and blink… still the warrior.

In which area of the game?

The staff is really a utility weapon so can be taken in whatever build for the unique utility it brings. I imagine it would be ineffective in PvE, but I don’t PvE so would need someone else to let you know. As for in PvP, I pretty much can’t play without one anymore :P.