Guild Wars 2

Esplen.3940:

I’ll find you that if you can answer me:

Esplen.3940:

milo.6942:

Esplen.3940:

Also making the game become a pay-to-win game instead of a buy-to-play game.

it isn’t already?

In what ways is it a P2W game?

That’s not my quote. I never claimed it was a P2W game.

Esplen.3940:

Craptrain.7203:

Esplen.3940:

Craptrain.7203:

Esplen.3940:

Also making the game become a pay-to-win game instead of a buy-to-play game.

But wait…you said…

Esplen.3940:

I feel like people forget how useful Ascended actually are… not really that useful at all. The difference in stats is so negligible that food provide more stats.

How could it be P2W if what you’re buying is…in your words…“not really that useful at all”?

Laurels can get you more than just Ascended gear. It can get you crafting materials, boosters (that aren’t all available in the gem store), dyes, and more.

Don’t tell me you’re naive enough to believe that the complaints about dailies revolve around the acquisition of “…crafting materials, boosters (that aren’t all available in the gem store), dyes…”

I’m not the one making the complaints. I’m not the one pointing fingers. I’m not the one bashing everyones head for not agreeing with them. I have seen complaints of all of those, and if you continue to say that “it’s the only way to get Ascended” then you need to pay attention, because Ascended will become CRAFTABLE and you know what Jewelcrafters craft? They craft TRINKETS.

Calm down. Stay in the present. Don’t muddy the waters with “this will happen in a few months”. We’re talking how it is right now.

If you can find me a post or thread where someone claims dailies are unfair because of “crafting materials, boosters (that aren’t all available in the gem store), dyes” then I’ll concede you have a point.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

pixel
[pik-suhl, -sel]
the smallest element of an image that can be individually processed in a video display system.

Tell me again a legendary is not a collection of pixels.

By the way your diploma and car analogies are complete failures. Junk has a negative connotation. Pixels does not. Diplomas are just pieces of paper. This is a fact. Are you saying people should be impressed by all diplomas? Is it impressive to graduate high school dead last in your graduating class? You do get a diploma for that, you know.

Guess it was to hard. Or u trying to act stupid and defend yourself this way. Whatever…

Belittle – Make (someone or something) seem unimportant.

Now again…

-Hey! I got my diplom!
-Whatever. Its just paper. (Its not important, cause its just paper! Paper is not important!)

-Hey! I got cool car!
-Whatever. its just blob of junk (Its not important, cause its just junk! Junk is not important!)

-Hey! I got legendary
-Whatever. its just some pixels. (Its not important, cause its just pixels! Pixels are not important!)

Its a very definition of belittle. Your defence is made of nothing.

Care to read what I wrote and try again?

Find a quote where I belittle the owners of legendaries. This is the third time I’ve asked YOU personally. Calling a legendary a collection of pixels (which it is, this is a fact) is not belittling towards the owner. Try again.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Are you trying to argue that calling a legendary a “collection of pixels” is somehow belittling to legendary owners? Really? Really? HAHAHAHAHA.

Tell me, if legendaries are not collections of pixels what are they?

Want to try again? Because you just failed miserably.

PS: You used strawman incorrectly. You might want to look that one up, along with the words “pixel” and “belittle”.

Its so easy it hurts.

-Hey! I got my diplom!
-Whatever. Its just paper.

-Hey! I got cool car!
-Whatever. its just blob of junk

-Hey! I got legendary
-Whatever. its just some pixels.

Do you get my pattern or is it to hard for ya?

pixel
[pik-suhl, -sel]
the smallest element of an image that can be individually processed in a video display system.

Tell me again a legendary is not a collection of pixels.

By the way your diploma and car analogies are complete failures. Junk has a negative connotation. Pixels does not. Diplomas are just pieces of paper. This is a fact. Are you saying people should be impressed by all diplomas? Is it impressive to graduate high school dead last in your graduating class? You do get a diploma for that, you know. Furthermore, you still haven’t shown how any of those 3 statements are belittling towards the owners of said objects. I’d also like you quote where I used the word “whatever” in regards to legendary owners, which could be construed as dismissive, if not belittling. Oh wait…I didn’t use it. That’s right.

So I’ll ask once more; want to try again? You’re still failing miserably to find a quote where I belittle the owners of legendaries.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Craptrain.7203:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Craptrain.7203:

Behellagh.1468:

With it time gated everyone is annoyed over acquisition time. What they are not annoyed over are the few who can leap into the “stats” lead while it takes the rest weeks and months to catch up.

Here’s a major issue I have. People in favor of time-gating have been saying two mutually exclusive things:

1) Ascended gear is not necessary, therefore laurels are not necessary, therefore daily laurel handouts are fine.

2) Without time-gating hardcores get laurels too fast, get ascended gear too fast, and leave everyone else in the dust power-wise.

Both of these cannot be true.

They’re not, because if there wasn’t time-gating then there wouldn’t be Laurels since Laurels are the time-gate.

I hope that made sense, it did in my head as I was thinking about this again . . .

Yeah, I see what you’re saying and I’m not accusing you personally of trying to claim both these things were true.

However, I have seen the argument “without laurels ascended gear would be bought with gold or crafting mats, which hardcores would get faster”. This is usually a post or two after “why do you care so much about ascended gear anyway, it’s not necessary”.

I have used both arguments at once before, but I can explain the mental contortions to try to use them:

1 – “Without Laurel time-gates, Ascended would be bought with other means and it’s highly likely more active players (or richer ones) could purchase them outright.” Personally? If it was Karma available, I’d have them in six hours after discovering where they were purchasable. If it was Gold, six weeks. Materials? I’d just write them off unless I have excess gold. (Note: I have written off the back pieces even though I really really want a quiver.)

2 – “Why would you want it anyway, it’s not as big as you think.” Because it’s not. Right now, people in less than Rares are not at a significant disadvantage in PvE. In WvW it tends less towards 1v1 fights and thus the comparison of one person versus another is kind of silly, in my opinion. If PvE was changed so that larger amounts could only be completed if you had gear upwards of Rare (Exotic/Ascended only) then people would (rightfully) be kitten ed at the gear-gating. If WvW was altered that 1v1 was more useful, it would still wind up Zerg vs Zerg anyway due to the meta.

Okay, so then the question becomes: If ascended gear is not necessary, what’s the harm in someone getting a piece in 6 hours?

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

I’ve asked you (and others) 3 separate times to provide a quote where I belittle someone because they own a legendary, as you claim.

U didnt ask me. U asked other man here. But if u ask it of me now. I would provide it. Funny, how would you react, when i would shatter your last strawman. And u even though, that it was a good defence? Hahaha.

Craptrain.7203:

Running a sub-4 minute mile impresses me. Bench pressing 400 lbs impresses me. Speaking 3 languages impresses me. Playing 4 instruments proficiently impresses me.

Having access to a collection of pixels in a video game does not.

Here. Not legendary. Collection of pixels. Its quite obvious. Its like looking at ferrary and say. “Hah. Who needs ferrary? Its just a blob of junk.”

Craptrain.7203:

Why are you asking me yet again? Why not provide the quote the first time I asked? I’ve belittled your attitude, that’s true. You have a terrible attitude, but again, find me a quote where I say anything more than “people are indifferent to legendaries”. You claim I have some kind of Freudian hatred for lengendary owners, due to pent-up jealousy, because I don’t bow down and kiss their feet. Surely you can find a single quote where I express anything other than indifference, if that were true.

And if you think you’ve hurt my pride…haha, wow…are you off the mark.

Here. Now u would cry some more. But I hope it would make you a better person in the future.

Are you trying to argue that calling a legendary a “collection of pixels” is somehow belittling to legendary owners? Really? Really? HAHAHAHAHA.

Tell me, if legendaries are not collections of pixels what are they?

Want to try again? Because you just failed miserably.

PS: You used strawman incorrectly. You might want to look that one up, along with the words “pixel” and “belittle”.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Sergoros.4398:

U wrong here. Im not throwing my words like that. My statements is a result of analysis of your posts. Not some assumptions.

You are a terrible analyst then.

Yeah, I was actually just going to ask where he got his internet forum psychology degree from.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Craptrain.7203:

Behellagh.1468:

With it time gated everyone is annoyed over acquisition time. What they are not annoyed over are the few who can leap into the “stats” lead while it takes the rest weeks and months to catch up.

Here’s a major issue I have. People in favor of time-gating have been saying two mutually exclusive things:

1) Ascended gear is not necessary, therefore laurels are not necessary, therefore daily laurel handouts are fine.

2) Without time-gating hardcores get laurels too fast, get ascended gear too fast, and leave everyone else in the dust power-wise.

Both of these cannot be true.

They’re not, because if there wasn’t time-gating then there wouldn’t be Laurels since Laurels are the time-gate.

I hope that made sense, it did in my head as I was thinking about this again . . .

Yeah, I see what you’re saying.

However, I have seen the argument “without laurels ascended gear would be bought with gold or crafting mats, which hardcores would get faster”. This is usually a post or two after “why do you care so much about ascended gear anyway, it’s not necessary”.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

I’m pointing out the myriad of holes in your “argument”, including strawman arguments and hypocrisy. Of course that makes you look bad. I’m sorry you’re so offended by it. You could try actually arguing the points I make instead and I won’t point those things out. How’s that?

Hah. kitten it. Again. All of you…so hilarious.

When I push you guys to the wall. U all going in the same and only pattern.

“Im so important, that somewhere in my post is a deep meaning! Go find it! I wont point it, cause im so special! But I am right cause of it!”

Heh. Ok man. Now u can go down and cry a little. Sometime, u would forget this shamefull part of your life and would learn from your failures. Mby u would mature enough for another dispute with me. But, looks like it wont be anytime soon.

See, here’s the problem…you think you have good arguments. You don’t. Your chess analogy failed miserably. You accuse people of saying things they haven’t said (and you can’t even produce quotes backing up your interpretation). You think your amateurish psychoanalysis of other people is somehow fact. You simply don’t argue well or make well though out points. You haven’t pushed anyone “to the wall”. You can’t even see the wall.

Hehe. Allways works. Hurt your pride and u open up a little more, so I can hurt you even more. Ok. Lets continue.

My chess analogy given me more, than enough. He even told me some of his past. Now I know more of him and can analise him better. Just like that.

Now. About our dispute. Unlike you, I take pride in my words and can back em up whenever u ask. So what u want me to quote? What of my statements i have to prove again?

I’ve asked you (and others) 3 separate times to provide a quote where I belittle someone because they own a legendary, as you claim. Why are you asking me yet again? Why not provide the quote the first time I asked? I’ve belittled your attitude, that’s true. You have a terrible attitude, but again, find me a quote where I say anything more than “people are indifferent to legendaries”. You claim I have some kind of Freudian hatred for legendary owners, due to pent-up jealousy, because I don’t bow down and kiss their feet. Surely you can find a single quote where I express anything other than indifference, if that were true.

And if you think you’ve hurt my pride…haha, wow…are you off the mark.

Behellagh.1468:

With it time gated everyone is annoyed over acquisition time. What they are not annoyed over are the few who can leap into the “stats” lead while it takes the rest weeks and months to catch up.

Here’s a major issue I have. People in favor of time-gating have been saying two mutually exclusive things:

1) Ascended gear is not necessary, therefore laurels are not necessary, therefore daily laurel handouts are fine.

2) Without time-gating hardcores get laurels too fast, get ascended gear too fast, and leave everyone else in the dust power-wise.

Both of these cannot be true.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

I’m pointing out the myriad of holes in your “argument”, including strawman arguments and hypocrisy. Of course that makes you look bad. I’m sorry you’re so offended by it. You could try actually arguing the points I make instead and I won’t point those things out. How’s that?

Hah. kitten it. Again. All of you…so hilarious.

When I push you guys to the wall. U all going in the same and only pattern.

“Im so important, that somewhere in my post is a deep meaning! Go find it! I wont point it, cause im so special! But I am right cause of it!”

Heh. Ok man. Now u can go down and cry a little. Sometime, u would forget this shamefull part of your life and would learn from your failures. Mby u would mature enough for another dispute with me. But, looks like it wont be anytime soon.

See, here’s the problem…you think you have good arguments. You don’t. Your chess analogy failed miserably. You accuse people of saying things they haven’t said (and you can’t even produce quotes backing up your interpretation). You think your amateurish psychoanalysis of other people is somehow fact. You simply don’t argue well or make well though out points. You haven’t pushed anyone “to the wall”. You can’t even see the wall.

Sylv.5324:

Craptrain.7203:

Feel free to believe I’m not a teacher. Your belief doesn’t make it true or not. The certificate I hold, current position I hold, and national awards I hold make it true.

I also believe that you are a very angry and self-important person. Someone who actually held those honors would not be raging on a forum about how important they are. Shouldn’t you be doing something more productive with your time, like polishing your trophies, instead of belittling people for their english skills?

Still can’t find those quotes can you? Good job there.

Sylv.5324:

Craptrain.7203:

And I applaud their hard work as well, but discount their teachers’ efforts to this group of students

I am discounting your attempt to claim credit for their accomplishment, just like I am discounting your attempt to discredit russianbro’s argument by way of criticising his english, in an attempt to change the topic of discussion. You could have just said, ’You’re right, if I didn’t care I wouldn’t have posted, let alone qualified it,’ instead of doubling down and going on the aggressive and getting all mad about it and attacking his english.

And now you’re hiding behind your supposed english students because you got caught. I also don’t believe that you -are- a teacher, because most teachers I know who game make sure that their online behavior is above that petty kind of thing.

Show me where I “took credit”. Can’t do it? Just like you can’t find that post I asked for you, huh? You’re doing the same thing he did, inventing things I never said. Good job on that.

Also, why would I say he’s right, when he’s not?

Feel free to believe I’m not a teacher. Your belief doesn’t make it true or not. The certificate I hold, current position I hold, and national awards I hold make it true.

Sergoros.4398:

Would you care to elaborate? If u talk about belittling, then u doing it in almost every post. U trying to make your opponent look bad, so your opinion would look better. Sad strategy, actually.

I’m pointing out the myriad of holes in your “argument”, including strawman arguments and hypocrisy. Of course that makes you look bad. I’m sorry you’re so offended by it. You could try actually arguing the points I make instead and I won’t point those things out. How’s that?

Sylv.5324:

Craptrain.7203:

Yeah, I guess being in the top 10% of their graduating class must suck, having only been in the United States for 3 years. Good job displaying the exact same horrific attitude that you attempted to crucify me for.

I managed the same feat in anglo class (english isn’t my first language, either), even though I had some pretty blowhard english teachers. I’ll applaud the students’ hard work rather than you trying to take credit for their efforts.

You do understand what “top 10% of their graduating class” means, right?

And I applaud their hard work as well, but discount their teachers’ efforts to this group of students and see what they have to say to you.

By the way, I’m still waiting on that quote I asked you to find. That is, if you want to try and remain on topic.

Sergoros.4398:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Sergoros.4398:

Ok… Would you be impressed if your friend, who allways was quite clever, would win chess championship?

Of course but mastering chess is on a whole different level than GW2. They can’t even be compared.

Heh. Guess u starting to grasp where Im going.

So. Why mastering chess is on a whole different level? Im not so bad in chess myself. I would say, that pvp in video games, sometimes, is way harder, than chess.

I’m curious, what’s the pvp requirement to get a legendary?

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Thank you for contradicting yourself all in one post.

Guess, u wasnt able to read my english again? Eh. Well. Ill put it as your another excuse.

No, I can read your English just fine. It appears you can’t read mine as you continue to attribute things to me that I’ve never said.

Sylv.5324:

Sergoros.4398:

I dont understand your posts? rly? Guess, thats YOUR last strawman. Instead of arguing, u trying to offend your opponent? Nice move.

Yeah, people who are caught in their own inconsistencies try to pull stuff like that, especially with ESL folks. I woudn’t worry about it, folks notice.

If you have a legendary (or anything else that is rare), some people will be resentful for whatever silly human reason humans will feel, which are a lot of reasons. There’s no real point in calling them on it because they are the type of people who want to feel poorly about others, and make nasty judgments. I know I will annoy people when I get Twilight, but that is their problem, not something that I did wrong.

I take offense to that considering my job is to work with ELL students (for which I’m certified and have achieved national recognition, fyi). If you believe so strongly that he’s in the right, find a post of mine where I belittle his owning of a legendary and not his attitude about it, as both he and you accuse me of. I’ll be waiting.

Erasculio.2914:

I have the feeling you didn’t understand exactly who Captrain was talking about… It’s ok though, you don’t have to make a new topic claiming you have a link to one of his posts talking about dyes.

Oh, I’ll clear it up right here. I see Vayne posting lengthy post after lengthy post trying to justify his position. When a person has to struggle so hard to convince people they’re in the right, rarely is it true.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Craptrain.7203:

Running a sub-4 minute mile impresses me. Bench pressing 400 lbs impresses me. Speaking 3 languages impresses me. Playing 4 instruments proficiently impresses me.

Having access to a collection of pixels in a video game does not.

I didnt ask u this question. Rly. Your opinion isnt interesting in this question. I already know your motives.

Craptrain.7203:

Sylv.5324:

Craptrain.7203:

English isn’t your first language, is it?

What does that have to do with the discussion?

It does when he doesn’t understand my posts or respond to the points I make, instead inventing strawmans.

I dont understand your posts? rly? Guess, thats YOUR last strawman. Instead of arguing, u trying to offend your opponent? Nice move.

Thank you for contradicting yourself all in one post.

Sylv.5324:

He does understand. He’s saying is that if people really didn’t care, they wouldn’t bother to post and they wouldn’t often qualify their ‘I don’t care’ statements by making belittling comments in the posts in which they say they don’t care.

You know this too, but you tried to divert it by calling him out on his english.

No. He accuses me of qualifying my “I don’t care” (and many other players that I reference) with belittling comments. The only comment that could be perceived as belittling that I’ve made is a comment on attitude towards the people not impressed by his legendary. In every post he has written where he has quoted me, he’s either distorted or fabricated what I’ve said. I could have called him a manipulative liar, but I thought it kinder to assume that maybe he wasn’t very strong in English (which based on his writing, is certainly not an undue assumption).

Esplen.3940:

Craptrain.7203:

Esplen.3940:

Also making the game become a pay-to-win game instead of a buy-to-play game.

But wait…you said…

Esplen.3940:

I feel like people forget how useful Ascended actually are… not really that useful at all. The difference in stats is so negligible that food provide more stats.

How could it be P2W if what you’re buying is…in your words…“not really that useful at all”?

Laurels can get you more than just Ascended gear. It can get you crafting materials, boosters (that aren’t all available in the gem store), dyes, and more.

Don’t tell me you’re naive enough to believe that the complaints about dailies revolve around the acquisition of “…crafting materials, boosters (that aren’t all available in the gem store), dyes…”

Sylv.5324:

Craptrain.7203:

English isn’t your first language, is it?

What does that have to do with the discussion?

It does when he doesn’t understand my posts or respond to the points I make, instead inventing strawmans.

Sergoros.4398:

So… then tell me. What would impress you? Some specific example from your life. R u not impressed by any games in general? Like u wouldn’t care, if some people win football championship? Or u wouldn’t care about man, who finally managed to buy his own house. Where is a line, where u start getting impressed?

Here’s some perspective. My first post in this thread:

Craptrain.7203:

Running a sub-4 minute mile impresses me. Bench pressing 400 lbs impresses me. Speaking 3 languages impresses me. Playing 4 instruments proficiently impresses me.

Having access to a collection of pixels in a video game does not.

Sergoros.4398:

JustTrogdor.7892:

So they should have just posted:

I don’t care
/15 char

??

Nope. There just patterns, that show in some people. “I dont care about legendarys, cause they look stupid – fine.” and “I dont care, because players, who wield them have no skill”

See the difference? 1-st is personal opinion, 2-nd is just an attack on the wielder, to somehow heal harmed ego.

Craptrain.7203:

It’s quite clear you’re not responding to what I write, but rather to your perceived persecution at the hands of the indifferent. You seem traumatized by the fact that some people don’t care about your pixels and you feel the need to attack them for their indifference, or project a sense of envy/jealousy onto them in order to make yourself feel better. All of this being highly ironic, because you condemn people for sharing their thoughts.

Wow. Another wall of text to show how much u indifferent. Gj bro. Keep on hard work.

Most what i have to say already been said, but ill add up a little. U r envy. “pixels”. Yeh. This is one of the words of people, who gave up on shiny and now have to tell themselves everyday “Its just pixels…its fine…I dont need it.”

Guess what? U want it! And this is why u try to hide it so much. Cause its so obvious. Even for yourself.

English isn’t your first language, is it?

Esplen.3940:

Also making the game become a pay-to-win game instead of a buy-to-play game.

But wait…you said…

Esplen.3940:

I feel like people forget how useful Ascended actually are… not really that useful at all. The difference in stats is so negligible that food provide more stats.

How could it be P2W if what you’re buying is…in your words…“not really that useful at all”?

Tip: When you find yourself having posted 5 posts in a row in a single thread, it is time to take a break.

Esplen.3940:

Actually, Dog, you’re the one who can’t comprehend that there’s more to life than lollipops as your entire complaint is that you are limited to one lollipop a day.

That doesn’t help your argument any.

If the hypothetical lollipop were actually worthless, you might have a point. However, it has value. So sure, there might be marshmallows, chocobits, and taffy in the world also, but one player will have those three currencies and another will have those three currencies PLUS lollipops.

It truly boggles my mind that anyone can consider GW2’s current incarnation of dailies to be a good system for any group of gamers.

Minion necro is fine until you want to do any group content or PvP at all. Then you better be prepared to switch your build.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

Craptrain.7203:

I have not seen a single good answer to the question “Why should 30 minutes a day for 7 days be rewarded more than 3.5 hours a day for one day?”

I’ve seen people questioning the definition of “reward”. I’ve seen people insulting each other’s motivation for playing. I’ve seen people creating false dichotomies between dailies and a game ruled by hardcore players. I’ve seen people saying dailies are better than nothing. I’ve seen all that, but not a single post that can explain why two people who spend the exact same amount of time in-game are rewarded differently, simply because of when they play.

3 hours a week or less – 0 laurels
3.5 hours a week – 7 laurels
Now tell me – which way is more “forcing” players to log in.

What are you talking about? I don’t think you understood what I wrote.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

You didn’t respond to the point I made, at all.

Actually I pretty much did it. U said, that it is Irony that im booing you for posting, but posting myself. But u wrong here. I do care. I take pride in wielding my legendary – so its easy to see my motives in posting. I defend my pride. But what about u? U imply, that u dont care, but what would do person, that not care? He would just say. “I dont care” this is all. He wont argue. He wont try to belittle someone elses accomplishments. But u do. And this tells much about you.

It’s quite clear you’re not responding to what I write, but rather to your perceived persecution at the hands of the indifferent. You seem traumatized by the fact that some people don’t care about your pixels and you feel the need to attack them for their indifference, or project a sense of envy/jealousy onto them in order to make yourself feel better. All of this being highly ironic, because you condemn people for sharing their thoughts.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Some of you legendary wielders are confusing envy/jealousy with indifference. They’re a world apart and I guarantee the latter is the majority of what you receive.

If I were indifferent, I would have looked at the name of the thread, said “Meh”, and moved on to the things, that I actually care about.

All the comments “hah! You suck and your weapons suck and im cool even without it! trust me! TRUST ME!!!!!!! PLSS!!!!!!! I BEG U!!! STOP LOOKING DOWN ON ME!!!!!NOOOOO” just make me giggle.

Sounds like you’re projecting quite a bit there…

Tell me…why is it so damaging to your psyche to know that people don’t care about your legendary?

Its not. But why its so important for you, to make me believe, that u not care? Thats what makes me laugh.

I just love, when ppl contradict themselves so much. “I dont care about you! So let me write a wall of text about how much i dont care”

I wonder if you see the irony in your own post. Based on your own logic (you don’t post if you don’t care) it must be damaging to you because you’re posting.

Where i said, that i dont care? I do care. I take pleasure in wielding my legendary. Even if my team dont even notice it. It feels good, when some newbies asks what is a weapon you have and u show em and they all go “wow! Nice! I wish i had it!”. Same goes with other team, when u have few members left the party, plan on making lfg, but they say “Its fine! U have a Bolt! We can do it!”. Actually, except this thread, I never ever met random party, who would go “Oh…legendary? booo…u have no life!!!” or smth in this line. Never. Only here.

If people doesnt care – its fine. I dont care for any other legendary too. I love only mine. But u know what? I wouldnt write about it. Cause I dont care.

You didn’t respond to the point I made, at all.

Blaine Tog.8304:

It’s a necessary evil. They could allow you to just earn as many rewards as you had time to complete, but then people like me who are unemployed and don’t have anything else to do would end up even further ahead of casual one-a-week players than we already are.

None of that explains how they are “necessary”. In all honesty, if the rewards were simply cosmetic (or horizontal in progression), then what’s the harm in the unemployed gamer being ahead of the casual gamer? You see, my earlier question was in essence both a question of fairness AND reward quality.

That aside, I question how a weekly system would be worse than a daily. You mentioned the person who can only play on Saturdays. Under the system, he gets 4 laurels a month (14 if he does the monthly). Under a weekly system, he gets 38 laurels a month (having done the monthly as well). Now, let’s say he goes to two weddings a month EVERY month. He’s still getting 24 laurels a month, a 10 laurel increase over the current system. Explain how he’s worse off.

Randulf.7614:

Craptrain.7203:

Randulf.7614:

About as many as I see daily complaints to be honest

Complaint threads about dailies on the first 5 pages of the forums = 4.
Complaint threads about monthlies on the first 5 pages of the forums = 0.

You were saying?

That really doesn’t prove anything, nor backs up your point on dailys?

My monthly is finished. I spent maybe 20 hours. I could not play the rest of the month and still I have the rewards. By the same logic, why should I get the same rewards as someone who spends all month?

Some people work towards it as a blitz, some take a while and do it whilst they play. It is not possible to quantify who deserves a reward by time gating as everyone uses the time differently.

You totally just destroyed your own point while proving mine with your last sentence. Thank you.

Palador.2170:

There are things you can do in that 3.5 hours that you can’t do in 7 half hour sessions. There are things you can do in those 7 half hour sessions that you can’t do in one 3.5 hour session.

The rewards are different between the two. You’re looking at only the daily rewards, and not taking into account what else you can do with that 3.5 hours.

Oh, I’m sorry, were we not talking about dailies? Of course I’m only looking at the daily rewards, that’s what this discussion is about.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Some of you legendary wielders are confusing envy/jealousy with indifference. They’re a world apart and I guarantee the latter is the majority of what you receive.

If I were indifferent, I would have looked at the name of the thread, said “Meh”, and moved on to the things, that I actually care about.

All the comments “hah! You suck and your weapons suck and im cool even without it! trust me! TRUST ME!!!!!!! PLSS!!!!!!! I BEG U!!! STOP LOOKING DOWN ON ME!!!!!NOOOOO” just make me giggle.

Sounds like you’re projecting quite a bit there…

Tell me…why is it so damaging to your psyche to know that people don’t care about your legendary?

Its not. But why its so important for you, to make me believe, that u not care? Thats what makes me laugh.

I just love, when ppl contradict themselves so much. “I dont care about you! So let me write a wall of text about how much i dont care”

I wonder if you see the irony in your own post. Based on your own logic (you don’t post if you don’t care) it must be damaging to you because you’re posting.

Randulf.7614:

About as many as I see daily complaints to be honest

Complaint threads about dailies on the first 5 pages of the forums = 4.
Complaint threads about monthlies on the first 5 pages of the forums = 0.

You were saying?

Randulf.7614:

Craptrain.7203:

I have not seen a single good answer to the question “Why should 30 minutes a day for 7 days be rewarded more than 3.5 hours a day for one day?”

I’ve seen people questioning the definition of “reward”. I’ve seen people insulting each other’s motivation for playing. I’ve seen people creating false dichotomies between dailies and a game ruled by hardcore players. I’ve seen people saying dailies are better than nothing. I’ve seen all that, but not a single post that can explain why two people who spend the exact same amount of time in-game are rewarded differently, simply because of when they play.

The sheer number of variables in that are so impossible for a games maker to make it any other way. Its an impossible question to answer and equally impossible to solve.

I truly doubt that. Tell me, how often do you see complaints about monthlies, hmmm?

I have not seen a single good answer to the question “Why should 30 minutes a day for 7 days be rewarded more than 3.5 hours a day for one day?”

I’ve seen people questioning the definition of “reward”. I’ve seen people insulting each other’s motivation for playing. I’ve seen people creating false dichotomies between dailies and a game ruled by hardcore players. I’ve seen people saying dailies are better than nothing. I’ve seen all that, but not a single post that can explain why two people who spend the exact same amount of time in-game are rewarded differently, simply because of when they play.

Sergoros.4398:

Craptrain.7203:

Some of you legendary wielders are confusing envy/jealousy with indifference. They’re a world apart and I guarantee the latter is the majority of what you receive.

If I were indifferent, I would have looked at the name of the thread, said “Meh”, and moved on to the things, that I actually care about.

All the comments “hah! You suck and your weapons suck and im cool even without it! trust me! TRUST ME!!!!!!! PLSS!!!!!!! I BEG U!!! STOP LOOKING DOWN ON ME!!!!!NOOOOO” just make me giggle.

Sounds like you’re projecting quite a bit there…

Tell me…why is it so damaging to your psyche to know that people don’t care about your legendary?

Olympic sprinters have been measured to have reaction times of 0.109 seconds in one out of every 1000 starts.

Pushing off the blocks faster than 0.1 seconds is a false start due to the impossibility of the human brain processing the starting gun.

With all that in mind, I’d say .25 is pretty decent.

Behellagh.1468:

Dog.1472:

Do you understand the problem here?

Yes, you are annoyed that someone with loads of free time to play, and therefore is so much better than a more casual player, is forced to go at the pace of the casual player.

Being condescending and using hyperbole doesn’t help your argument. Try phrasing it like a mature adult: “You are annoyed that you are being forced to go at a pace which does not fit with your gaming habits.” See, was that so hard?

Sylentir.8913:

Craptrain.7203:

Namica.2951:

Well, they’re big on bows and guns. So I suppose Warrior, Ranger, and Engineer are areas of interest.

Engineer is easy. It’s all ranged. You have a choice of rifle, pistol/pistol, or pistol/shield.

Not precisely. 9 of 10 engineers don’t use weapons for DPS, they use kits for damage, and at least 5 of 10 of the engineers that use weapons for DPS suck.

Grenades are perhaps one of the best damage options, which are also ranged. Sure, you can go close up with flamethrower or PB with bomb kits, but in all honesty, are those really better damage options?

Any of you saying that necros can bunker well…have you tried it?

A friend of mine and I have tested necro bunkers ad infinitum and they simply don’t hold up well. In a 1v1, I was able to melt all the permutations of a necro bunker build within 35 seconds (with my necro). I’ve also seen and played against Spazzomancer’s supposed necro bunker. Again, in a 1v1 scenario I was able to melt him down in under a minute.

If a supposed bunker can’t last more than 1 minute against 1 enemy, I can’t consider it a bunker.

Some of you legendary wielders are confusing envy/jealousy with indifference. They’re a world apart and I guarantee the latter is the majority of what you receive.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

you want the person who plays 1 hour a week to get the same rewards as a person playing 20 hours a week for the same time which is unfair. This is the difference, the only difference – the time you’ll need to get an item. It’s not stoping you to play the game in any way.

No, no, no, no! Come on, please read people’s arguments instead of inventing what you THINK they’re saying.

We’re saying that the person who plays 1 hour a day for seven days should be rewarded the same as someone who plays 7 hours a day for one day. Currently, that’s not the case at all. We’re also saying that the tasks shouldn’t be menial and repetitive, but fun and skill-based. I really don’t get why this is hard to understand!

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LumAnth.5124:

Indeed, Cloth/Plate/Medium offer little difference in armor, what matters is inside trait and armor bonuses however, with such little difference in armor #‘s, I don’t think any light class would favor a Medium/Heavy set over their intended Light set. The OP suggested the -movement speed as penalty, and I’ll tell you my Mesmer is already one of the slowest classes in the game w/o my Centaur set. I also already have to switch back and from from Centaur->Berserker->PTV depending on the type of match. I also switch out trinkets, which is even more of a hassle than armor.

Although, I would love to see my Mesmer use t3 Cultural Human armor. One can dream riiiiight

Yeah, I don’t really agree with a movement penalty. In all honesty I would just be in favor of more aesthetic options for each character. I guess my point is in-game there’s no logical reason for armor restrictions, in terms of realism there’s no logical reason for armor restrictions, stylistically there’s such a kittenization of “armor-types” that it can’t be a real concern, so why not just let the elementalist wear the leather pirate outfit?

Namica.2951:

Well, they’re big on bows and guns. So I suppose Warrior, Ranger, and Engineer are areas of interest.

Engineer is easy. It’s all ranged. You have a choice of rifle, pistol/pistol, or pistol/shield.

Warrior, as said above, should be going melee in PvE content. In PvP recently, many warriors run around with a longbow. It’s pretty solid, but I don’t recommend using it 100% of the time. You have to be willing and able to switch to a melee set to get the damage spike in.

Ranger, I don’t know enough about to comment on.

Necro in PvE is going to be most useful going with a power build. That means axe/focus and dagger/warhorn, usually. Axe/focus is 600 range so kind of ranged…but…not really. In PvP, you’d be going staff and scepter/dagger with a condition build if you want to be competitive. Both are ranged options and are very solid.

Ele is an interesting case. I essentially run the same build in PvE as I do in PvP, which is scepter/dagger. It works quite well, but it’s certainly not the PvE meta.

LumAnth.5124:

Maybe we need to take a step into the gaming world and see that armor can defend us from Meteors to 100 slices of a Greatsword, be it a bunch of robes or a whole “knights” armor.

And that’s my point. If both cloth and plate offer essentially the same amount of protection in game (not being insta-killed by a flaming rock), then there’s really no logical reason why a mesmer wouldn’t pick up and wear some plate armor.

So yeah, I agree with the OP. My favorite video game character of all time was in NWN2, when I made a halberd wielding, heavy armor wearing, sorcerer spell using blackguard.

It really depends on the class and it will differ between PvP and PvE. Some more details would allow us to better answer the questions. Perhaps give us a few classes your friends are interested in and what kind of role they like to play.

Jamais vu.5284:

Craptrain.7203:

So then the point isn’t moot. If they’re willing to toss reality out the window on all those matters, why not on issues of armor restriction as well?

Because it isn’t about “realism” but about a stylistic choice to make mages look like cloth-wearing scholars or frontline soldiers like plate-/chainmail wearing knights, for obvious reasons.

I don’t buy it. Look at the armor skins and tell me there aren’t heavy skins that look like cloth and vice versa. No, sir. No.

kiba.2768:

the reactions people have(mostly negative) are humorous. that was much was to be expected anyway.

you’d be surprised for every person with a legend that you bash as having no life IRL or cash to gold, sucks in pvp/w3 you’ll find someone with a legend that does not suck in pvp/w3, did not use their cc and has a healthy game to IRL balance.

the amount of trolling and negativity is so potent here. but again, that is to be expected due to our relations and how the internet provides that shielding called anonymity.

would most of you walk up to someone with a 8000USD suit and tell them to their face they suck in any aspect IRL because they have such(in the owner’s opinion because beauty is subjective) a nice shiny material object that it must have taken so much of their real life time to obtain it?

i wonder at how many of you who responded negatively(read: not neutral) would face to face insult someone. highly doubt it. ah the luxuries the internet provides and the resultant degradation of interpersonal relationships…

I wonder if you can see the irony in your own post.